1. You are not leader just because you say you are, you are leader because I am allowing you. I'm on the verge of withdrawing your permission to lead.

2. I did a lot of behind the scenes work for this club for this year's anniversary and NOBODY EVEN ASKED ME TO. You did jack shit.

3. This club is mine, always has been, always will be.

4. If I wasn't fearful of the consequences and futility of my actions, I would quite literally take this club back by force. I have as much merit to maintain my club and my thread as you do. If I need to do my own memberlist and organize club activities behind your back I will.

5. Wonko, you have 1 week to shape up this club before I take manners into my own hands. I am no longer afraid to involve moderators or use my right to take back what is rightfully mine. A year and a half ago you stripped me of my power, I am quite ready to return the favor. Do not make me humiliate you in front of this club or Tink.

6. I get in these frustrated moods because I want to control what belongs to me and you are brainwashing my club to prevent me from having my way.

At 5/20/06 08:10 PM, LLStarks wrote: 1. You are not leader just because you say you are, you are leader because I am allowing you. I'm on the verge of withdrawing your permission to lead.

Yes. I overthrew you, and you disappeared for a year becasue you let me.

2. I did a lot of behind the scenes work for this club for this year's anniversary and NOBODY EVEN ASKED ME TO. You did jack shit.

I came back from y'know, TRAINING TO KILL PEOIPLE a few days before the anniversary.

3. This club is mine, always has been, always will be.

uh huh

4. If I wasn't fearful of the consequences and futility of my actions, I would quite literally take this club back by force. I have as much merit to maintain my club and my thread as you do. If I need to do my own memberlist and organize club activities behind your back I will.

I'm sorry. Freewebs keeps being gay and crashing. and now I'm in a forgeign country paying to use the marines corps' computer, and you want me to update the list and fix all the problems now?

5. Wonko, you have 1 week to shape up this club before I take manners into my own hands. I am no longer afraid to involve moderators or use my right to take back what is rightfully mine. A year and a half ago you stripped me of my power, I am quite ready to return the favor. Do not make me humiliate you in front of this club or Tink.

See above, freak. Also, you tried using the mods before, remember? They said they didn't gove a shit who lead the club.

6. I get in these frustrated moods because I want to control what belongs to me and you are brainwashing my club to prevent me from having my way.

YOUR way? Your way meant having 4 leaders, which nearly killed the club more than anything I ever did to it. Nothing ever got done, and all the "leaders" did was argue amongst each other.

At 5/20/06 08:10 PM, LLStarks wrote:

I'm going to apologize right now for double posting, but I have 5 minutes left before I'm getting kicked off this computer. We can only use them for an hour at a time, and it takes longer than that to update the damn list. I probably wont be able to get on a computer again till next weekend, because being allowed to do shit other than y'know, WORK is a privelege in the military, not a right. So flip out all you want, I can't even see a computer till next weekend. You want to be the fucking leader around here and do everything? Try it. You are never around either, your school work and precious raw's keep you busy just like my job keeps me busy. And Tink is never around because fuckheads like you make her feel unwanted here.

At 5/20/06 08:32 PM, Wonko-the-Sane wrote:

At 5/20/06 08:10 PM, LLStarks wrote:

I'm going to apologize right now for double posting, but I have 5 minutes left before I'm getting kicked off this computer. We can only use them for an hour at a time, and it takes longer than that to update the damn list. I probably wont be able to get on a computer again till next weekend, because being allowed to do shit other than y'know, WORK is a privelege in the military, not a right. So flip out all you want, I can't even see a computer till next weekend. You want to be the fucking leader around here and do everything? Try it. You are never around either, your school work and precious raw's keep you busy just like my job keeps me busy. And Tink is never around because fuckheads like you make her feel unwanted here.

You are perhaps the only reason why I have not moved on past this club, if I believed that the club was safe in your hands I would have no problems but your attitude is the one thing that is keeping me from throwing up my arms and saying "FUCK IT!".

At 5/20/06 08:36 PM, LLStarks wrote: You are perhaps the only reason why I have not moved on past this club, if I believed that the club was safe in your hands I would have no problems but your attitude is the one thing that is keeping me from throwing up my arms and saying "FUCK IT!".

(Last post before I'm gone)

Look, I'm not even with my unit yet, I'm still in what they call "reception' I will be for the rest of the week. Just give me a freaking chance to get settled in, get my permament rom, and get an internet connection so I can use my own laptop. It should take a month at the most. Okay?

At 5/20/06 08:39 PM, Wonko-the-Sane wrote: Look, I'm not even with my unit yet, I'm still in what they call "reception' I will be for the rest of the week. Just give me a freaking chance to get settled in, get my permament rom, and get an internet connection so I can use my own laptop. It should take a month at the most. Okay?

I have a life, you have a life, we have priorities that dominate our lives. Do you what you need to do in life and so will I.

At 5/20/06 08:42 PM, LLStarks wrote:

At 5/20/06 08:39 PM, Wonko-the-Sane wrote: Look, I'm not even with my unit yet, I'm still in what they call "reception' I will be for the rest of the week. Just give me a freaking chance to get settled in, get my permament rom, and get an internet connection so I can use my own laptop. It should take a month at the most. Okay?

I have a life, you have a life, we have priorities that dominate our lives. Do you what you need to do in life and so will I.

What the hell is it with you LL every so often you come out of fucking nowhere to start shit with Wonko because you think you're still entitled to run things then dis-apear for another shit load of time and in case you didn't understand Wonko in the military you don't do thing when and if you please you do WHAT they say WHEN they say and if your lucky THEN you get some time to yourself (excluding Holiday time and stuff whitch i don't think he should have to use to update a member list unless he wants to) so just go crawl into whatever hole you crawl into when you disappear from here and give him a damn break you moron.

I have excuses for not being around... Unlike you, I'm in college building my future.

At 5/20/06 09:02 PM, BeanBagBoy wrote:

What the hell is it with you LL every so often you come out of fucking nowhere to start shit with Wonko because you think you're still entitled to run things then dis-apear for another shit load of time and in case you didn't understand Wonko in the military you don't do thing when and if you please you do WHAT they say WHEN they say and if your lucky THEN you get some time to yourself (excluding Holiday time and stuff whitch i don't think he should have to use to update a member list unless he wants to) so just go crawl into whatever hole you crawl into when you disappear from here and give him a damn break you moron.

Lemme see... I created this club therefore it is my club to run. That's my entitlement. I don't need a popular mandate or club support.

Has anyone watched this new anime called Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu yet? This is a wild and wacky anime that will get you laughing. And the thing is that the story is told completely out of order!

Wanna see it then just goto youtube.com and search for it.

At 5/11/06 06:32 PM, Wonko-the-Sane wrote:

At 5/9/06 06:49 PM, PrincessXIII wrote: ~Princess~
At 5/8/06 07:50 PM, PrincessXIII wrote: ~Princess~

Quit doing that. If you love it so fucking much, just put it in your sig.

Something wrong with it? I like to personally sign my stuff. It's just habit. Sorry if it bothers you.
~Princess~

At 5/21/06 12:54 AM, LLStarks wrote: I have excuses for not being around... Unlike you, I'm in college building my future.

Well, last I checked, BeanBag is sixteen. KINDA FUCKING HARD TO BE IN COLLEGE AT SIXTEEN. And it doesn't matter if you have excuses for not being around. The thing is you're MAYBE around one day out of the week, and you try to be the club leader, and you EXPECT people to do what you want. I could have sworn it said in your sig "I AM NOT THE LEADER." Well, your sig's more right than you are. You are not a leader, and you will never be a leader. A leader fucking leads. They take responsibility for problems of their organization or club, even when the problems aren't their fault. If you wanted to prove you were a leader, you'd start by taking responsibility for shit around here (like the memberlist you continually bitch about) instead of yelling at other people to get it done.
And being in college is no fucking excuse for not being around anyways. I took two AP classes this year, and in case you didn't know, APs are COLLEGE classes. This was in addition to my two Honors classes and my French II class, and I still didn't have a problem getting online for a decent amount of time every day. Don't try and say I just blew the classes off, either, because I didn't. I did all the work for them. And six college classes wouldn't take much more time than all of those. Now, maybe after I take my 4 APs next year, I'll be singing a different tune, but I seriously doubt it.

At 5/21/06 09:40 PM, psykolord wrote:

At 5/21/06 12:54 AM, LLStarks wrote: I have excuses for not being around... Unlike you, I'm in college building my future.

Well, last I checked, BeanBag is sixteen. KINDA FUCKING HARD TO BE IN COLLEGE AT SIXTEEN. And it doesn't matter if you have excuses for not being around. The thing is you're MAYBE around one day out of the week, and you try to be the club leader, and you EXPECT people to do what you want. I could have sworn it said in your sig "I AM NOT THE LEADER." Well, your sig's more right than you are. You are not a leader, and you will never be a leader. A leader fucking leads. They take responsibility for problems of their organization or club, even when the problems aren't their fault. If you wanted to prove you were a leader, you'd start by taking responsibility for shit around here (like the memberlist you continually bitch about) instead of yelling at other people to get it done.

1. People don't want me to do stuff or get things done.

2. If Tink wasn't so anal about giving me access to the memberlist, I'd be updating it weekly or bi-weekly. The last thing I want to do is introduce a second memberlist that confuses everyone. Before a new list can be made, the old one has to be fixed... Updating the list without updating the date and page number is gonna make my work much harder than it needs to be. The list itself should ideally be pruned once a month. Updating the list in and of itself is a time-consuming process but there are ways to alleviate it and save time during the update.

During this week, all new members (upon approval) will be entered into a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet that lists their account name, character, date of membership approval, and page number of the approval post. THIS WILL BE A PROOF-OF-CONCEPT TRIAL RUN THAT WILL LAST UNTIL NEXT SUNDAY. If the spreadsheet proves useful in keeping track of our members between member list updates, I will make it a permanent club policy that will enable us to track and statistically quantify club membership trends.

At 5/21/06 12:26 PM, BigFan7 wrote: Has anyone watched this new anime called Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu yet? This is a wild and wacky anime that will get you laughing. And the thing is that the story is told completely out of order!

Wanna see it then just goto youtube.com and search for it.

I have been watching it, it is the first anime since Azumanga Daioh to make me laugh so hard every episode that my chest hurts.

I am currently watching Monster and Legend of Galactic Heroes, both of which are very good animes, especially the former.

Ok, I know I to appear and disappear alot, and am actually amazed ive anyone even remembers who I am since when I do post, I get responses very seldomly. I want to cool this thing down before it gets the thread locked. Also note, everything I say is from a completely neutral point of view.

LL, it does seem like you do alot of crying about how the club is yours and you should lead it, and your excuse for absence is always college this and college that. I'm not personally attending a college, infact I had to drop out of high school this year for a full time job so the bills get paid, but I do know alot of people out there in the real world attending college, and still have a shit load of free time. So I say enough with the college bull shit, it's never asking to much to take a half hour out of your precious time every now. And this stuff about being the one to run the club has got to stop. And back to the college thing, why is it you seem to through the fact that you're in college at everyone so constantly? Thats like your only defencive tactic in a post, "I'm in college." If you can barely be here than I dont think you're a fit leader.

Now WONKA, all I ever see out of you is arrogance. I dont really care since I never caught any of it but please tone it down, just a request. Also, Since you arent around alot you arent really fit to run the club either. I admit being in the army is a pretty good reason for your absence, but I see no reason you cant hand over the baton of leadership to some one else until you can be a little more active. And I know you dont like LL, so I'm not even going to ask you to compromise, but LL is right, things do need to get done. Now all I think you need to do is hand out jobs to people you think can handle and agree to them. I would love to take a big rule in the clubs maintanence, but I have to admit, I too wont be around alot. Life isnt fare when you're supporting a family of six, and being the only one working at an Eckerds. Not as good a reason as the army, but atleast it isnt college either.

Ok, I thought that was pretty unbiased, and neutarl as possible. I dont want to get on either one of your bad sides, but I also arent afraid to say what needs said.

So, do you know anyone who could "lead" this club and take care of some things?
Also I'd like to say that what you wrote is absolutely correct and I am of the same opinion as you are.

At 5/22/06 09:59 AM, AUb wrote: So, do you know anyone who could "lead" this club and take care of some things?
Also I'd like to say that what you wrote is absolutely correct and I am of the same opinion as you are.

While I admit that the last time I handed someone the "baton" things did not go well (I made Ranma a club leader for a period of time 2 years ago), there are plenty of authority figures in this club (including Ranma) that deserve to be elevated because of their continued membership and service to this club..

Also, on top of college classes I am taking this summer, I am working a part-time job. In addition to those priorities, I have my obligations to the fansub group I work for and to maintain my own raw group. All of these do take up a significant amount of my time and leave me little free time for anything else but I do make the time to post here. Obviously I can't post here everyday.

I would also like to introduce everyone to our *TEST* wiki site. http://www.seedwiki...wgrounds_anime_club/

The memberlist on that site is open for *ANYONE* to update and has protections against vandalism. I know wiki sites are risky but this I believe is the best way for the *ENTIRE* club (and not just the leaders or myself) to make sure that the list is accurate until today's date.

In a wiki, a "sandbox" is a page designated for users to experiment freely with the wiki's editing process. These are often useful especially for new or inexperienced users, to avoid making conspicuous mistakes when editing other pages.

... Not safe for work + Spoiler

At 5/22/06 02:13 PM, LLStarks wrote:

At 5/22/06 09:59 AM, AUb wrote: So, do you know anyone who could "lead" this club and take care of some things?
Also I'd like to say that what you wrote is absolutely correct and I am of the same opinion as you are.

While I admit that the last time I handed someone the "baton" things did not go well (I made Ranma a club leader for a period of time 2 years ago), there are plenty of authority figures in this club (including Ranma) that deserve to be elevated because of their continued membership and service to this club..

Also, on top of college classes I am taking this summer, I am working a part-time job. In addition to those priorities, I have my obligations to the fansub group I work for and to maintain my own raw group. All of these do take up a significant amount of my time and leave me little free time for anything else but I do make the time to post here. Obviously I can't post here everyday.

than let me ask you this, if you truely want to help out the club that you started, wouldnt it be better to leave it in the hands of others who atleast at the moment are more capable of maintaining it? As I've said, I dont think wanko is around enough do to his current life style either, but because of the constant power struggles, less id done. I speculate both of you hate each other with a passion, so I'm not going to ask you guys to cooperate, because I believe that's asking a bit much, but if you both can atleast settle on a better leader for now, that'll end this nonsense.

I would also like to introduce everyone to our *TEST* wiki site. http://www.seedwiki...wgrounds_anime_club/

ok, I'll check this out and see how it works.

shit, sorry for the double post, but I meant to add this to the top of the last one.

At 5/22/06 09:59 AM, AUb wrote: So, do you know anyone who could "lead" this club and take care of some things?
Also I'd like to say that what you wrote is absolutely correct and I am of the same opinion as you are.

I dont know, as I said, I'd be happy to, but I'm not around enough for the club to be any better off. Plus I havent been a member for as long as most others so I really dont want to just impose on every one. I would assume some one who's always around and has the time to keep up with everything.

At 5/22/06 02:13 PM, LLStarks wrote: I would also like to introduce everyone to our *TEST* wiki site. http://www.seedwiki...wgrounds_anime_club/


The memberlist on that site is open for *ANYONE* to update and has protections against vandalism. I know wiki sites are risky but this I believe is the best way for the *ENTIRE* club (and not just the leaders or myself) to make sure that the list is accurate until today's date.

In a wiki, a "sandbox" is a page designated for users to experiment freely with the wiki's editing process. These are often useful especially for new or inexperienced users, to avoid making conspicuous mistakes when editing other pages.

I like this new wiki list; I've been beating myself up for months over giving the wrong last name of my character, and now I can finally correct it myself.

At 5/23/06 06:09 AM, mr_trivia wrote:

At 5/22/06 02:13 PM, LLStarks wrote: I would also like to introduce everyone to our *TEST* wiki site. http://www.seedwiki...wgrounds_anime_club/


The memberlist on that site is open for *ANYONE* to update and has protections against vandalism. I know wiki sites are risky but this I believe is the best way for the *ENTIRE* club (and not just the leaders or myself) to make sure that the list is accurate until today's date.

In a wiki, a "sandbox" is a page designated for users to experiment freely with the wiki's editing process. These are often useful especially for new or inexperienced users, to avoid making conspicuous mistakes when editing other pages.

I like this new wiki list; I've been beating myself up for months over giving the wrong last name of my character, and now I can finally correct it myself.

Keep in mind that I am not ready to declare this an *OFFICIAL* list, I still need to tweak it a bit.

Anywho, I'm traveling today so I won't be on much.

I'm glad people like the wiki.

At 5/19/06 09:18 PM, undeadsoldier wrote: appleseed

I've never seen the original, but I think the remake is great.

Steamboy

good

Metropolis

good

blue gender

good

kikaider

pretty good

outlaw star

great!

heavy metal

good, but not anime

gigantor

I don't like it

bubblegum crisis

I like Tokyo 2040 so far, but I've only seen the first 9 episodes. I've never seen the original series.

At 5/19/06 10:25 PM, fremen13 wrote: I know im not a member of this club, but I haven't heard of any of those animes.

Wow, are you for real? You need to look more into this stuff.

At 5/20/06 07:22 PM, LLStarks wrote: For the past year and half, this club has turned quite literally to shit.

literally, eh? That's pretty unsanitary. Watch out for flies.

At 5/22/06 05:10 AM, MasterStalker wrote:

Haven't seen you in a while.

greetings all I have recently been introduced to the world of Anime, and confess am now addicted ^^

Have just finished watching the Eva series, a bit of a mind fuck ending, even with 'the death of Evangelion' (I think my ears are bleeding again.)

What do people think of Howl's moving Caslte?
Personally I love it.

At 5/22/06 01:05 AM, LLStarks wrote: 1. People don't want me to do stuff or get things done.

With good reason since you were never around when the chips are down, and when people do leave..you never once gave a proper send off while Wonko and the rest did that in your ungrateful stand. Plus when you do things, you do either fumble it at first chance or have fun ratting people out when restarted here...3 years ago, remember?

2. If Tink wasn't so anal about giving me access to the memberlist, I'd be updating it weekly or bi-weekly.

How would you know if she was completely anal about it or not will the "college" time excuses you throw while she had 2 kids, 2 little fucking kids to cloth, feed, put a roof over their heads, and shitload of bills and problems which you would never understand worth a damn and you'll never will since you're not a father yet.

Plus if "college" is so important to you, why not just leave here completely and never come back since you start something up whenever you come back and it's either from one of the mods, Wonko, or Tink.

Due to my inactivity, I've decided to rejoin.
Five favorite animes(In no particular order)
1. Ranma 1/2
2. Samurai Champloo
3. Cowboy Bebop
4. Metropolis
5. Fullmetal Alchemist
Character of choice: Vincent Volaju(Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' On Heaven's Door)

Oh yes, I remember you from the earlier days. Decided not to dress in drag and do the hola this time?

But you may have to fill out out more than that this time around since Kouga's gone in prick mode again. But Vincent is yours for the taking, welcome back.

At 5/23/06 08:30 PM, Naked-Shin wrote: Oh yes, I remember you from the earlier days. Decided not to dress in drag and do the hola this time?

Of course, I'm far more sobered this time.

But you may have to fill out out more than that this time around since Kouga's gone in prick mode again. But Vincent is yours for the taking, welcome back.

What more will I be required to fill out, sir?

At 5/23/06 08:20 PM, -RadicalEdward- wrote: Due to my inactivity, I've decided to rejoin.
Five favorite animes(In no particular order)
1. Ranma 1/2
2. Samurai Champloo
3. Cowboy Bebop
4. Metropolis
5. Fullmetal Alchemist
Character of choice: Vincent Volaju(Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' On Heaven's Door)

Yeah I need to rejoin also

1.Genshiken
2.Gantz
3.Elfen Lied
4.Fullmetal Alchemist
5.FLCL
5.FullMetal Panic Fumoffu!

Ummm, I choose Souske Sagara from FMP, if he's taken, then I choose Yagami Raito from the anime DeathNote, if he is taken then as a last resort I choose,Kei Kurono from Gantz.