At 10/4/06 04:09 PM, F00D wrote:
At 10/4/06 07:24 AM, Kinsman wrote:
even if it is clearly a spam group, there are many people with different opinions then yourself who may still enjoy it...
What of it?
You've stated that you want these spam groups regulated too. If that's so, we both agree that whether certain unpleasant people like them or not isn't a defense for them.
There's no reason to bring this point up anymore, as if it means anything.
not to mention the fact that star syndicate flashes used to routinely be accused of the same things as all you guys are accusing the uzis of here, and now our collabs regularly get front page. although its highly doubtful, there's always the potential that a crew can evolve to become something more then a "spam" group over time.
There's always the potential for anything, but rules try to manage what's likely.
Also, keep in mind that Star Syndicate, no matter how much shoulder-rubbing they've done with the NG community artistically, try to undercut NG even as they build their reputation off of NG's back. That only leaves the Clock Crew as a good example of your point - and the Clock Crew is what it is due to the freedom to drift. When the SS/UU/KK regulate membership and use central accounts to manage their "approved" releases, where is that ability to become something else from what they are?
[Barney Bunch] that was the last straw and the rules were modified. they didnt need to be modified though, since the other change that went into effect from that incident was removing the ability for file swapped flashes to win awards. that itself pretty much eliminated the practice, they didnt really need to add a rule because there was no point to file swapping anymore if you couldnt win an award. they closed a loophole without adding any unecessary restrictions like the one you're suggesting.
Couldn't I just walk into a thread where you claimed that the Barney Bunch were stopped by the removed ability to get awards, and say that what "really" happened was that their actions were just flat-out prohibited? It'd be a question of who posted first and who posted second.
i also have numerous friends who used to be in the barney bunch, and sure there were people who enjoyed the drew pickles antics (no one actually enjoyed the "hentai"), but mostly what they enjoyed was the reaction. myself included.
What of it?
If a group called the 'Outwar Ogligarchy' created movies that were charming, funny, shocking, and launched Outwar links after completion, would you defend them?
lmao, thats kind of missing the point. these groups that you're opposed to aren't currently breaking any of the portal guidelines. the only way they would be breaking the rules is if your rule was made into a reality,
Is this a counter-argument of some sort, or are just you stating something obvious? My comment about the OO came after a long ramble from you about how you felt the spam groups were so touching and special to the sociopaths on NG; I wanted you to clarify whether you understood the difference between abusive content and systemic abuse.
If you want to argue that clogging the Portal is an artistic act of its own and that maintaining order is actually censorship, what then? Is crashing Newgrounds with a DDOS attack a Dadaist comment on society?
:which isnt gonna happen. talk it over with an admin if you dont believe me.
The administration know what they'll be doing and deciding in the future? Amazing.
when did i say we should allow this to keep going on?
Well, I figured that you didn't want to have half of your points suddenly meaningless, so I assumed..
the solution is not to simply censor them, its to try and close the loopholes that they're exploiting.
The most direct way of closing the loophole is to prohibit the specific behaviour. Indirect methods such as tinkering with blam and protect rules only cause undesired side effects on the normal operations of the Portal.
