Wade, maybe if the passing score was raised from 1.6 to 2? It would make it a bit more difficult for them to pass bad flashes.
Maybe the experienced users who mass vote UU and similar stuff could be banned, too? Much like experienced users who abuse the forums... That should at least slow them down a bit, I guess.
At 10/3/06 02:51 PM, WadeFulp wrote: What we need to do is discourage users, who have accumulated a lot of points, from using their increased powers to abuse the site. They are supposed to use their power to enforce the rules and help keep crap off the site, and keep good entries on the site. If they are going to use their power to put crap on the site, and vote down good entries, that goes against what we expect from them. It takes these people a long time to bulid up these points, it takes me seconds to remove them.
Begin the attack WadeFulp, begin the attack.
When i get back from working out, i hope to see retribution!
I've seen submissions pass judgement that are just 3 group intros together, with a single picture at the end of them.
Several steps can be taken to prevent these thing:
-More reward for Blam/Protects, and possibly less for voting. Maybe the system could be reversed; whereby you gain levels through b/p, and gain bonuses through voting. This would mean users who actually know what they're doing will get the power, and not mindless voters.
-Make group-intro abuse known as unnacceptabe. Mention it in the portal rules, FAQ ect.
-Consider adding intro abuse as a whistle-blow option.
-Add a "report spammer" option somewhere, so that if a user is reported, a mod can look at their submissions and tehn decide what to do
adn probably some other stuff...
This pinpoints such a large issue it's not even funny.
As of late I've seen so many people getting thousands of blams and saves just so they can get a high voting power to pass their spam into the portal.
I REALLY hope you take action against them. Not only the people who vote 5 on these spam entries to get that save point, but also the people who submit the portal spam.
This is a big issue because there are a number of users who can actually have any Flash they submit pass judgment because of their voting groups with high voting power.
I sometimes wish the portal voting was completely democratic instead of the current way.
At 10/3/06 03:10 PM, Crusty-Wiwuh wrote: -More reward for Blam/Protects, and possibly less for voting. Maybe the system could be reversed; whereby you gain levels through b/p, and gain bonuses through voting. This would mean users who actually know what they're doing will get the power, and not mindless voters.
No, no, no. The whole problem is giving people higher voting power for blams and protects. People are exploiting that to raise their voting power and carry out the spamfest.
-Make group-intro abuse known as unnacceptabe. Mention it in the portal rules, FAQ ect.
That would be good, but personally I think an admin should make a statement and either wipe the stats or delete the accounts of a few of these portal spammers who are notorious for getting anything they want passed judgment and who use their high voting power to promote spam.
-Add a "report spammer" option somewhere, so that if a user is reported, a mod can look at their submissions and tehn decide what to do
I like that one a lot.
At 10/3/06 03:14 PM, Onnet wrote:At 10/3/06 03:11 PM, DFox wrote: This pinpoints such a large issue it's not even funny.Oh come on, even pimp doesn't have the power to choose if a flash passes or not, they would need at least 5 accounts with EGSC to make a major effect like that, and who does have that many acounts? No one.
As of late I've seen so many people getting thousands of blams and saves just so they can get a high voting power to pass their spam into the portal.
I never said single handedly. Trust me, there's some spammers who use some unethical/cheating procedures to get their spam through the portal, because we all know they wouldn't be passing otherwise. It's mainly groups who find it hilarious, and build up their voting powers just to carry it out.
Even as we talk in here, more UU flashes are coming into the portal. I just watched one of these (completely) and gave it the score it deserved. Do the same. :-)
Also there is yet another Hitler Around the World in 80 days to try out. LOL.
(Gave them their score, too).
The score I gave them is not precisely gonna help them, hehe.
At 10/3/06 02:51 PM, WadeFulp wrote: What we need to do is discourage users, who have accumulated a lot of points, from using their increased powers to abuse the site. They are supposed to use their power to enforce the rules and help keep crap off the site, and keep good entries on the site. If they are going to use their power to put crap on the site, and vote down good entries, that goes against what we expect from them. It takes these people a long time to bulid up these points, it takes me seconds to remove them.
Pherhaps there could be some sort of negative points?
For example, in my profile I have:
BLAMS: Involved in the termination of 7,048 crappy entries.
SAVES: Assisted in the protection of 3,812 quality entries.
If there were added points for submissions that I judged wrongly:
MISJUDGED: Have wrongly prosecuted 342 misjudged entries.
If the ratio is too high then some sort of punishment could be made, like not being able to deposit or vote on submissions that are under judgment.
It's not fullproof though, but should work on most cases.
At 10/3/06 03:16 PM, DFox wrote: because we all know they wouldn't be passing otherwise.
Not necessarily, a lot of movies have passed, just because of the ignorance of some people. If something has the intention of being spam to Newgrounds, some people would be amused, and vote 5, just so everyone gets the chance to see it.
here is a perfect example of over reactive fucktards who actually get mad when they see a crappy submission
The New Signature By Orange Beef
At 10/3/06 02:51 PM, WadeFulp wrote: What we need to do is discourage users, who have accumulated a lot of points, from using their increased powers to abuse the site. They are supposed to use their power to enforce the rules and help keep crap off the site, and keep good entries on the site. If they are going to use their power to put crap on the site, and vote down good entries, that goes against what we expect from them. It takes these people a long time to bulid up these points, it takes me seconds to remove them.
Ok with that, but wouldn't it be more fair for everyone if the spammers got consequences too ? I guess it's harder to deal with though ...
At 10/3/06 03:27 PM, Orangebeef wrote: here is a perfect example of over reactive fucktards who actually get mad when they see a crappy submission
Yeah, that's the only reason why they do it, a lot of people here think that some idiots who take part in submitting pointless crap to Newgrounds is terrorism.
If everyone just realised that the reason why they do it is for the reactions, the idiots would leave. To be honest, those over-reactive idiots are just as stupid as the submitters.
At 10/3/06 03:26 PM, Paradox wrote:At 10/3/06 03:16 PM, DFox wrote: because we all know they wouldn't be passing otherwise.Not necessarily, a lot of movies have passed, just because of the ignorance of some people. If something has the intention of being spam to Newgrounds, some people would be amused, and vote 5, just so everyone gets the chance to see it.
And that's definitely true, and that's part of the problem. These spammers have gotten users to "play along" with them and pass their entries one after another because it makes people feel like their in on it.
Here's all that I know.
A few months ago you could go to the portal and the most under judgment entries there would be was about 10 on a normal day. Now, day after day, the portal 50 most recent is FILLED with under judgment entries.
Why is that a problem?
It's a problem because it's starting to annoy real Flash authors who make quality Flash and want the proper exposure they used to get, and are being overshadowed by the spam.
Newgrounds is a Flash portal, and when the real Flash authors start to complain, that's very bad.
At 10/3/06 03:27 PM, Orangebeef wrote: here is a perfect example of over reactive fucktards who actually get mad when they see a crappy submission
I agree with you to a point, and I'm all up for in jokes, but there's just too much of this stuff.
It bewilders me why people never seem to get bored of spamming. It's as if to some, it's some kind of obsessive habit, fed by an unquenched sense of inadequacy...
I'm not gonna get angry over the subject, and I know that the purpose of spamming is to invoke a reaction, which can be amusing, but it would just be nice if these things never existed.
Here is something that has been in my mind for a while.
1) Most UU flashes somehow attack or ridicule Clock Crew / Lock Legion members: Isn't it odd that these crews, who often mass vote as well, don't mass vote these UU thingies down? If they aren't, maybe it means that at least some UU members are clocks/locks/glocks as well, and think it is funny just because they get attention by attacking themselves... I am not saying this is the case, but just wondering.
2) I have seen tons of EBaumsWorld threads lately, and every now and then it has been suggested that EBaumsWorld has people on Newgrounds acting as dickheads just to subtract value to Newgrounds. Maybe EBaumsWorld managed to make the UU? I am not saying this is the case either... but I think it is still an interesting question.
Wathever the reason behind the UU, one thing is obvious: UU members have got a lot of time in their hands to be making those flashes. Specially to be making them so frequently.
At 10/3/06 03:42 PM, SomeNick wrote: 2) I have seen tons of EBaumsWorld threads lately, and every now and then it has been suggested that EBaumsWorld has people on Newgrounds acting as dickheads just to subtract value to Newgrounds. Maybe EBaumsWorld managed to make the UU? I am not saying this is the case either... but I think it is still an interesting question.
Sometimes I wonder if posts can get any lower than ones I've seen, and people never seize to amaze me.
To be honest, that statement doesn't even deserve a response, but I'll humor it.
Ebaumsworld is going to make $10,000,000 whether there's a UU on Newgrounds or not.
To be perfectly honest, if that statement was not a joke it might possibly be the dumbest statement I've ever seen on Newgrounds.
At 10/3/06 03:42 PM, SomeNick wrote: Here is something that has been in my mind for a while.
1) Most UU flashes somehow attack or ridicule Clock Crew / Lock Legion members: Isn't it odd that these crews, who often mass vote as well, don't mass vote these UU thingies down? If they aren't, maybe it means that at least some UU members are clocks/locks/glocks as well, and think it is funny just because they get attention by attacking themselves... I am not saying this is the case, but just wondering.
2) I have seen tons of EBaumsWorld threads lately, and every now and then it has been suggested that EBaumsWorld has people on Newgrounds acting as dickheads just to subtract value to Newgrounds. Maybe EBaumsWorld managed to make the UU? I am not saying this is the case either... but I think it is still an interesting question.
Wathever the reason behind the UU, one thing is obvious: UU members have got a lot of time in their hands to be making those flashes. Specially to be making them so frequently.
1. I agree... i think they are all related in a way. Like some sort of internet cult.
2. Lol.
3. They have TONS of time, i just wish i knew what they looked like, it's too bad they don't show their MySpace's (if any) i bet they're ugly.
To be perfectly honest, I have been fiving some of their stuff lately, but that's because I genuinely enjoyed the stuff, what about freedom to vote what you want, and not voting "correctly?"
I'll tell you though, a while ago I was 0'ing all their shit because I DIDN'T like it.
It pisses me off that lately, tons of people are abusing pretty intros to get past judgement though, something does need to be done about that inparticular, the judgement system does need some fixing up, but taking all of the freedom out of it is unfair.
Well, I was not totally serious about the EBaumsWorld thingy. However, if they have anything to do with it, they didn't go unseen anymore! :P
But yeah I am more inclined by my first statement, that the UU is somehow related to the CC or LL or something. Maybe not as a whole, but probably a small portion of it, still. After all they constantly bash people from CC and LL. Don't forget that bad publicity is still publicity.
the UU is a joke that should have died out a month ago. fuck if I know why theyre still going.
better then the kitty krew though
tre
At 10/3/06 04:21 PM, F00D wrote: the UU is a joke that should have died out a month ago. fuck if I know why theyre still going.
better then the kitty krew though
They just seem to be a big group of Anti-clocks, I find that somewhat amusing that they've been attacking me, Rasta, and earlier today, GirClock with the same styles they used for Rasta.
Really, they are better than the KK, they just plain suck ass, how do I put it, a group of little kids with no talent seeking attention by doing bad things?
Well the clocks seem to discuss about them every now and then.
http://clockcrew.net..hlight=robot+rangers
One of them even seems to have known an UU leader but he says he then got blocked on AIM.
According to Clocks (a very reliable source, LOL!) the UU is made up by former Glocks, Stars, GNAA, Robots and trolls in general. Looks like that the Star Syndicate's "dissolution" only helped bring the lamest crew to life: The Uzi Union (UU).
the reason i five their movies(right now, i'm talking about the KK), is because i know it will pass, and they TRY for low scores! they are tying to take TOTW constantly and whatnot, so i'm just trying to prevent this. it's put me in a bad position, where i want to zero (or at least vote two for the protection point) but i'm forced to vote five to try to slow down their trickery.
also, all this talk about b/p being reset makes me shake in my seat :P
At 10/3/06 04:31 PM, BlueHippo wrote: the reason i five their movies(right now, i'm talking about the KK), is because i know it will pass, and they TRY for low scores! they are tying to take TOTW constantly and whatnot, so i'm just trying to prevent this. it's put me in a bad position, where i want to zero (or at least vote two for the protection point) but i'm forced to vote five to try to slow down their trickery.
also, all this talk about b/p being reset makes me shake in my seat :P
Tell me about it, Wade, threatening to take away my two years of work because of my freedom to vote normally? It's scary as hell.
Another reason why I sometimes find myself 5ing this shit, like the Big Penis Brigade, is because I'm worried that my vote will not have a big enough impact to get them blammed (I'm really ashamed that ZekeySpaceLizard does such a thing.)
I mean, i'm trying to earn as many points as possible but I don't want this SHIT coming in, just recently I suggested to Tom to add 50 votes and 0.50 score or less = blam. (Although that doesn't target these movies inparticular, it at least helps to clean out some of the shit.)
At 10/3/06 04:34 PM, RupeeClock wrote:
Another reason why I sometimes find myself 5ing this shit, like the Big Penis Brigade, is because I'm worried that my vote will not have a big enough impact to get them blammed (I'm really ashamed that ZekeySpaceLizard does such a thing.)
Shameful. If I think a movie is crap, I still vote zero. Even if I think it has a high chance of getting past judgement. Without going any further, about two weeks ago I voted zero on a movie submitted by some Winnie Wankin (???) group. And I think it got blammed with like 1.5936 or something. Had I voted five, it would have gotten into the portal, and then we probably would be besieged by yet another lame group who would have thought themselves to be hot just for passing through.
At 10/3/06 04:39 PM, SomeNick wrote: Shameful.
I know, it is really. :(
I'm not gonna stand for it any longer though, the portal is seriously detiorating and I want to help fight the problem.
At 10/3/06 03:25 PM, amplefied wrote: If there were added points for submissions that I judged wrongly:
MISJUDGED: Have wrongly prosecuted 342 misjudged entries.
The huge problem with this is that it would force even more people to vote with the crowd, potentially.
My track record may not be perfect, but I for the most part try to vote on how I feel about a flash, not whether it'll pass or not. It's just hard when you are very sure something will pass, but you still believe it to be nothing more than spam.
I'm all for "Everything by Everyone", but surely we can agree there is a difference between a "poor" (newbie, beginner, etc) submission, a submission that you just didn't like / conflicted with personal beliefs or a submission that was genuinely spam.
How do we fairly decide? Example: I came to terms with that the Dailytoons are as much a part of NG as anything else, like them or hate them; they're definately not spam. Again with Clock and Lock movies: not everyone likes them, I don't always like them, but I don't think they're "spammy", not any more.
As for others, well I don't know. I'm just one user.
At 10/3/06 04:24 PM, SomeNick wrote: According to Clocks (a very reliable source, LOL!) the UU is made up by former Glocks, Stars, GNAA, Robots and trolls in general. Looks like that the Star Syndicate's "dissolution" only helped bring the lamest crew to life: The Uzi Union (UU).
the star syndicate never ended. we're still alive and going strong (tell me this isn't a kickass collab http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/342064)
generally I would attribute all of these horrendous new poser crews to the glock group. to be fair, the glocks wised up and ended the madness that their crew had turned into. but the damage had already been done, and they couldn't stop the formation of newer, shittier crews based off of their poser image.
