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At 3/5/08 02:05 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Apparently way back when, Namco laid down the patent for "minigames that play while the game is loading" and got it passed. So if you plan on using one, you better contact Namco to get permission to do so... it is in their patent rights.
That's the stupidest thing I ever heard :s I doubt it can ever stand up in court.
Actually if they have a legal document, then they are in their full right to sue other companies who use loader games.
I doubt they care about the amateur flash makers though
At 3/5/08 02:42 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: Actually if they have a legal document, then they are in their full right to sue other companies who use loader games.
Even so, the prospect of response from the media (assuming the media cares enough about blatant and unjust abuse of patents) and consumers should be enough to prevent them from actually enforcing it. I mean, I've never used a preloader game, but I could well have done, and I've never even heard of this patent before, so I'd have been going against the patent without even knowing it :s
I mean, who the fuck would expect to have to check if there was a patent for loader games? I mean seriously! That's like having a patent on bar or percentage loaders, or platformers! It's such an obvious concept - there's no way anyone in their right mind would think there might be a patent on something like that.
At 3/5/08 03:06 PM, GuyWithHisComp wrote: Luis disappeared...
You didn't see anything.
LOL, luis.
Official patents expire in 7 years, so unless Namco remembered that enough to renew it then you shouldn't worry.
At 3/5/08 03:06 PM, GuyWithHisComp wrote: Luis disappeared...
I was annoyed at how blury my pic came out.. i couldnt be bothered to to fix it.
You snooze you lose.
None
At 3/5/08 02:20 PM, Rudy wrote:At 3/5/08 02:05 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Preloader Games Break US CopyrightThat's probably one of the most ridiculous arguments out there.
No way man, Namco is smart for getting a patent for something like this. If you've learned anything about this history of animation you'll know that the people who got patents were the ones who's companies grew the biggest snd became most successful. When the patent for the peg bar came out and the patent for the clear layers of animating technique thing all other companies were sued to hell and forced to stop what they were doing. Namco knows whats up, and if this becomes a problem, then they are going to make a whole lot of money.
Of course, I DO agree with you that it is unfortunate and sucks for all of us who were planning on implementing something like this in the future.
I heard about the preloader games patent a while ago.. if you want to put a game in your preloader then do it, if Namco happen to contact you about it then remove it simple as that. Won't happen though.
Sup, bitches :)
At 3/5/08 07:06 PM, TrueDarkness wrote: Hello, long time no see guys =]
I'm waiting for Lord-Sonx to say that one... Gah... He's been gone for ages. I remember he said he'll come back..did he like..die or something? :(
At 3/5/08 10:47 PM, Rudy wrote:At 3/5/08 07:06 PM, TrueDarkness wrote: Hello, long time no see guys =]I'm waiting for Lord-Sonx to say that one... Gah... He's been gone for ages. I remember he said he'll come back..did he like..die or something? :(
Its hard to come back after being gone for such a long time. Eventually you simply dont feel at home anymore. But, life moves on. : P
At 3/5/08 10:56 PM, 23450 wrote: Its hard to come back after being gone for such a long time. Eventually you simply dont feel at home anymore. But, life moves on. : P
Three weeks later, you're gone too. :(
At 3/6/08 12:05 AM, Deathcon7 wrote: Hmm, I'm still waiting on schorhr...
Gah, fuck that man...after his whole fiasco with being banned he seemed pretty content on NEVER coming back. Shame.
Any of you cats DJ or use Reason?
At 3/6/08 12:05 AM, Deathcon7 wrote: Hmm, I'm still waiting on schorhr...
He was semi-back about a year ago. Made alot of posts in the art forum, showed up here a good amount. Then dissaperated. : /
At 3/6/08 12:08 AM, Senti wrote: Gah, fuck that man...after his whole fiasco with being banned he seemed pretty content on NEVER coming back. Shame.
Never knew what to make of that situation. Ozcar's reason for banning him was stupid shit, but so was the reaction. Ah well. Let bygones be bygones.
At 3/6/08 01:58 AM, NegativeONE wrote: Never knew what to make of that situation. Ozcar's reason for banning him was stupid shit, but so was the reaction. Ah well. Let bygones be bygones.
Yeah man, it was bizarre all over the place. But your right, whats happened happened. Oh wells...
At 3/6/08 02:14 AM, Senti wrote: Yeah man, it was bizarre all over the place. But your right, whats happened happened. Oh wells...
Bizarre like.... BIZARRO TOM.
At 3/5/08 04:24 PM, Senti wrote:At 3/5/08 02:20 PM, Rudy wrote:No way man, Namco is smart for getting a patent for something like this. If you've learned anything about this history of animation you'll know that the people who got patents were the ones who's companies grew the biggest snd became most successful. When the patent for the peg bar came out and the patent for the clear layers of animating technique thing all other companies were sued to hell and forced to stop what they were doing. Namco knows whats up, and if this becomes a problem, then they are going to make a whole lot of money.At 3/5/08 02:05 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Preloader Games Break US CopyrightThat's probably one of the most ridiculous arguments out there.
So... it's a good thing that we had less people doing good animation?
Look - this is blatantly ridiculous. Imagine if I got a patent out on the basic incrementing fallspeed jumping system, or on moving blocks - fuck it, why not just patent platformer games as a whole?
This sort of thing is abuse of the patent and copyright system of the worst kind - it's exactly this kind of thing which lets assholes justify themselves in making money out of piracy, or stealing somebody's work against the author's wishes. We're never going to get respect for the rights of developers when you have guys doing shit like this.
At 3/6/08 03:33 AM, Paranoia wrote: So... it's a good thing that we had less people doing good animation?
Look - this is blatantly ridiculous. Imagine if I got a patent out on the basic incrementing fallspeed jumping system, or on moving blocks - fuck it, why not just patent platformer games as a whole?
This sort of thing is abuse of the patent and copyright system of the worst kind - it's exactly this kind of thing which lets assholes justify themselves in making money out of piracy, or stealing somebody's work against the author's wishes. We're never going to get respect for the rights of developers when you have guys doing shit like this.
Uh, it seems you conveniently edited out the part of my post where I said that I DID AGREE and that it is UNFORTUNATE. I never said it was the right thing to do but it is true that the people that scored the patents DID end up having control over very valuable material. It is most definitely abuse.
I know very little about how the patent system works, but seems like you can get one for just about anything. I have a friend that patented a CD he made in about a week...why he spent the money to go through the tedious process, I don't know, but now if someones wants to use one of his tracks (another unlikely option) they would have to pay for it. (after I wrote this I realized it might have been a copywritten thing he got...I can't remember, can you patent a song? I confused myself)
But, now I honestly don't know this, can you patent something like platformer design? Is that even possible? The ability to patent something is great, but where is the line (is there one?) drawn? Has anyone else gotten anything patented?
actionscript
yeah I really suck at this.
I have to make an "interactive" animation for my current project at uni. Im fine with the animating part but I suck at actionscript, and thought I may as well try and learn some more and get more out of the project.
Anyway i decided to add a little "first person shooter" bit to the animation. you cant move or walk around or anything, you just click the enemies and they die. Im stuck though. Ive got it working so the gun follows the mouse, theres a timer etc, but there are some problems.
You can only kill an enemy if you click on him. So you cant hold down shoot and drag it accross him.
I tried to fix this using this, but it doesnt work:
onMouseDown = function () {
shooting = true;
gun.gotoAndStop(2);
}
onMouseUp = function () {
shooting = false;
gun.gotoAndStop(1);
};
if(shooting = true){
enemy.onPress = function(){
kill(enemy1)
}
enemy2.onPress = function(){
kill(enemy2)}
};
Im also trying to make it so you can only "kill" an enemy once. So at the moment the "kill" functon runs:
function kill(enemyname) {
enemyname.gotoAndPlay(2);
kills += 1;
}
But you can just click each enemy more than once and get the kill count. Whats the best way of detecting when a enemy is dead, apart from creating a boolean and function for EVERY enemy?
I know im using noob actionscript and i suck, im just learning :3
At 3/6/08 03:53 AM, Senti wrote: Uh, it seems you conveniently edited out the part of my post where I said that I DID AGREE and that it is UNFORTUNATE. I never said it was the right thing to do but it is true that the people that scored the patents DID end up having control over very valuable material. It is most definitely abuse.
Oop, sorry about that. I was in a bit of a rush this morning - I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying there.
What surely would be in everyone's best interests, though, would be reliably documenting features instead of patenting them, so if someone else did try to patent them then you'd have proof that you were there first.
TrueDarnkess
TrueDarkness is a nice guy. 8/10.
Hi there!
At 3/6/08 12:28 PM, SweetSkater wrote: TreuDarnkess
Never heard of him.
You never heard of TD? :(
Luis' post disappeared :s
Since this seems like the time for reunions...
...Hey.
Anyone miss me, or was I completely forgotten?
I've gone and become an SSBB addict... what to do, what to do...
At 3/6/08 12:57 PM, Paranoia wrote:At 3/6/08 12:28 PM, SweetSkater wrote: TreuDarnkessYou never heard of TD? :(
Never heard of him.
Luis' post disappeared :s
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/8724 34
Damnit you didn't get the joke :P
Read the spelling.
At 3/6/08 01:19 PM, spare-jello wrote: Since this seems like the time for reunions...
...Hey.
Anyone miss me, or was I completely forgotten?
Wow reunion indeed
Pass my flash 2
Wow, awesome.
Patent
that is just plain stupid. And namco won't sue flash games.
At 3/6/08 01:47 PM, BritishMoose wrote: Go on, tell us what REALLY happens in the Mod's forums.
I wager they make threads about how awesome they all are and mspaint pictures of themselves doing high-fives and flying airplanes...
it sounds amazing.
