At 2/12/08 04:10 AM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote: The one I liked "The Tired City" and one called "Dr.Mortales"

Oh, well they were pretty good too. Actually I liked pretty much all of them last year. Some more than others, but it was a pretty solid list.

Jazza

My friend MRat mentioned the conflicting tastes here, and while I'm not as adamant about it as he is (he's being a bit of a Nazi. I'm allowed to say that, I'm German) I do think Jazza is pretty bad. I just can't like a thing he does.

Honestly,

Bad: Jazza

Good:

At 2/12/08 04:35 AM, ShortMonkey wrote: Lots of stuff.

Haha, thanks for being intelligent in your response. That is what I wanted someone to say. Something like there where they make points about stuff. Not just going "OMG FAG YOU DONT LIKE JAZZA?!?!"

I do think my stuff is pretty bad, at least compared to what I can produce. Studying animation taught me alot and looking at my work now I just shudder.

And to be fair I have written a series, and animated one part! :P

Anyway I was just going nuts trying to get a reaction of people and blowing this up. It's not important stuff, and I just really think Jazza is a bad artist.

Gammel's Pony

Stephen Gammel is such a fantastic artist. One of the best around. I love him, and that is a great post MAUS. There are some other fantastic images floating around the net tonight of his as well. Really great stuff!

At 2/12/08 03:53 AM, Vengeance wrote:

At 2/12/08 02:19 AM, MRat wrote: Fuck his piano-based song with chords so elementary a First Level could play it.

Fuck you with your shitty audio submissions that consists of about 5 notes in scale, a shitty, repetitive drum beat.
Seriously, shut the fuck up, until you can show something that you've made that makes Jazza look like absolute shit, stop raggin on him. You're really just making yourself look like a complete dick right now. You should quit while you're ahead.

Jazza's pretty good, but he does annoy me immensely. When he was looking for scripters for his game, he got a load of 'shortlisted' guys and asked all of us to make a sample engine so he could decide who to go with. I mean - he's got every right to ask for something like that, sure, but surely he could have just made a decision based on prior work. What's with the high opinion that we should all spend a few hours making an engine we're probably not going to use just for a shot at the privelage of working with him?

So yeah, that's my main gripe. Also all the progress update and launch threads - keep it to your user page >.<

Attn: MRat.

This may get abusive, so I apologise in advance if it does, because I am a big fan of JAZZA and will defend him in any way possible.

JAZZA's artwork and animation are both a very perfect combonation, while his music is almost better than most signed bands.
While your artwork is poor quality and looks rushed, JAZZA takes his time to do each and every frame that he draws, shading each of his pictures and takes as much time as possible to get everything perfect.
Your music is just sounds like random beats that came out of a example box in a pack you found from findsounds.com or something, while JAZZA performs his on the instruments he owns.
JAZZA even has more animations than you have, once you have more audio and flash submittions, come back with a decent arguement to use. You cannot just go around saying you are king of the world whenever you feel, seriously, I bet you have like no friends, and will never have any unless they are over the internet, yet I don't think anybody would want to anyway because of your shit-face attitude, you pretty much try and say your better than somebody who is obviously better at that subject than you are. So make sure you are right the first time.

edn wall of txt.

At 2/12/08 05:38 AM, ShirtTurtle wrote: So, the composer; it bored the shit out of me.

That's your interests though, by a guess I think your interests are the random and straight to the point ones.
The Composer is supposed to be a serious short where it has a moral at the end.
So yeah.
I don't know
<3

At 2/12/08 05:36 AM, ShortMonkey wrote:

At 2/12/08 05:06 AM, Paranoia wrote: Jazza's pretty good, but he does annoy me immensely. When he was looking for scripters...

What's so annoying about going through a specific procedure to find the correct scripter for a game? If that annoys you immensely, then you get angered very easily... or you were angered if you applied but didn't get the job.

lol, I didn't get the job because I didn't think it worth spending a significant deal of Flash time making a useless sample when I could be doing something constructive :P

I did say he had every right to choose people how he saw fit, but getting someone to jump through hoops just to prove something you can already see through their portfolio is going to alienate a lot of serious devs.

You fellows do realize, no matter how much you argue about the popular artists here, they aint gonna post here.
Not unless they have some new product to whore off.
Hell I'm only posting here cause someone linked me to the TGSNT convo. In a few days I'll forget this thread exists and oh look a butterfly

wanders off

lol, I didn't get the job because I didn't think it worth spending a significant deal of Flash time making a useless sample when I could be doing something constructive :P

Well he got moonkey to work with, do you think you would do better than him?

No sarcasm intended. Seriously question.

At 2/12/08 03:54 AM, TheCriminalDuder wrote: Instead of talking about famous artist and comparing them... why not talk about and compare some new kids on the block? I think that's much more interesting cause ya never know where their gonna end up.
Jimtopia is an interesting fellow. hylian-mafia is neat too. Different yet simular styles, and both very cheery guys too. ^^

i think those artists' styles are a little to generic drawing wise, simple body anime inspired head unnessicarly bright colors, you know?

At 2/12/08 06:33 AM, ShortMonkey wrote:
Like we give a shit about that.

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At 2/12/08 05:34 AM, Night-Mare wrote: Yep

I don't mind that you got personal I guess. But I'm wondering if you even read my posts. It's pretty obvious from your post that if you didn't, you didn't take a thing in.

I most certainly did not start acting like the king of the world. If you payed attention, you would have noticed to I downplayed myself pretty well.

Also you mentioned Jazza's hard work, albeit in a roundabout way, and I too mentioned that it's nice that he is a hard worker. So I haven't a clue why you would bring that up.

As for drawing details and shading? You're a moron if you think details and shading = good art. A huge moron, and sadly theres nothing I can do about that. Go to art school, take art classes LEARN about art. Detail and shading are the least important aspects about art. Imagination is the most, and considering there is nothing creative in the least about Jazza's work, I'd say he doesn't have alot of imagination.

Finally, on the topic of arrogance, what Paranoia was talking about is what I mean. To presume a load of people are going to take a load of time out of their just to try and have to chance to work with him is clearly arrogance. It's not a huge deal, and like Para said, he has the right. It is not, however, courteous to his peers.

Also about my music, I once again already addressed the issue of my bad music before in a previous post. I'm sorry to say that I can't take a thing in your post seriously because you were being pretty ignorant of what I was even talking about.

At 2/12/08 08:22 AM, MRat wrote: I don't mind that you got personal I guess. But I'm wondering if you even read my posts. It's pretty obvious from your post that if you didn't, you didn't take a thing in.

I mean that if you did, you didn't take a thing in.

NG needs an edit button. Also once again I'm wondering why people get personal about this? I don't like his work, I'm allowed not to. There are hundreds of other NG artists I think are way better and would rather watch.

Somehow this turned into a United Nations debate about whether we should force our way into Darfur and stop the genocide.

This is pointless and you just sound like you belong on the short bus when you go and take something I said about my tastes, and create this image of me that is entirely unrealistic and pointless.

Also, Zekey you're a funny guy.

We dont mind if you dont like him but theres a difference between saying I dont like his work and his work is a piece of shit

At 2/12/08 08:56 AM, BritishMoose wrote: WHAT ARTISTS DO YOU LIKE AND WHY?

I like BritishMoose because he listens to my opinions like they matter and still manages to get a Daily Runner Up position on toons he wasn't even planning on submitting to the Portal in the first place. :)

At 2/12/08 09:01 AM, BritishMoose wrote: That guys a pretentious fag. He turns up late for meets too. He types like he thinks he's Stephen Fry. What a wanker.

What a cock.

=D

Artists

Hmm, i still admire Adam Phillips for the amount of detail and effort put into his submissions, but i still prefer art like shirt turtles, its just so vibrant and fun :D. Like LSF, that actually brightened my day, I'm not sure why, maybe its just all the pretiful colours :D.

Outside of Newgrounds, i really like this guys work, there is just so much depth to it, and always a story behind each piece. This for example, could be interpreted in so many ways ;).

Anyway, thats my 2 cents.

Artists

The artists i really admire on this website are Sarkasm, Alanthebox and Kol-Belov. 3 totally different artists, but they all have a truly unique style and original vision to their animations. I think all 3 are trying to do more with the flash medium than using it as a mere tool for digitally animated generic shorts. I've always been more into the arty stuff rather than the professionally looking stuff such as Adam Phillips.

TGSNT

About the TGSNT consternation on the last page, it's cool to see how everybody has their own favorites. I'm pretty sure that besides the NG entries there are some other brilliant ones who will no doubt take the grand prize. All i want is for people to watch them all, before voting. A big thanks to the people who support me! For people who have no clue what TGSNT is: http://www.tgsnt.com/

Woah... now i feel like I copied Jazza's name...

At 2/12/08 06:37 AM, Evion wrote:

lol, I didn't get the job because I didn't think it worth spending a significant deal of Flash time making a useless sample when I could be doing something constructive :P

Well he got moonkey to work with, do you think you would do better than him?

No sarcasm intended. Seriously question.

I couldn't say - I've got no idea how efficiently Moonkey codes on a basic level, and I'm utterly incapable of judging my own work in an unbiased way.

When coders get to a certain skill level though - certainly Moonkey is pretty skilled - the actual individual abilities become fairly hard to differentiate, almost impossible, I'd say, for someone without a skill level above the people he's judging.

Anyway, I don't have to justify why I find sending someone out to do a pointless task to get a job when you've already got examples of their work infront of you annoying - it just is.

I won't say I dislike Jazza, because I don't. He's clearly got some pretty mad skills as far as putting effort into and making stuff goes. There are just plenty of artists with really impressive skills who retain a cool, modest and courteous character with both fans and other developers, and Jazza's posts and such just don't seem to indicate that, which is pretty annoying.

At 2/12/08 08:56 AM, BritishMoose wrote: Agree to disagree? It's boring reading through all these posts.

That's probably a good idea.

Jazza : MOVE ON

well i'm glad i missed that whole back and forth on Jazza... lets move on if we havent already. I think my favorite artists are Kol for his abstract themes and effortless looking execution... Mindchamber for the fact that his work still looks hard core 2d... its got some sort of painterly, street art flavor to it thats always appealed to me...

Speaking of which... do you all have links to relative unknowns that are up and coming?

One thing I always hated about my activitiy here on newgrounds is not having a better pulse on the up and coming talents.. theres something quite special about being witness to like the next ______ (insert famous animator here) .... its exciting... i remember feeling that way when i watched that legend of kahle or whatever that movie was.. like damn this kid is good.

jazza and stuff
Well Jazza is a nice guy.
Jazza is also a good artist, but is work is boring...is art is really good but not unique and if you would look good at it his animation is preaty bad.
I could name so many people in this lounge that animates so muc better then him seriously try to look past the art..
Oh and the composer was stupid and boring the only reason i would have cried
is for my precious time wasted.

artists i like in ng
shirturtle,lazy muffin,luis,stamper and utah

At 2/12/08 12:26 PM, Kanadian-Keith wrote: TEH LEWIS!!

I agree. Til Death do us part was one of the first movies on NG that really hit me hard, well before I was ever a BBS contributer. Hell, I didn't even know my buddy Luis (fag) was the author until about a year and a half ago.

It might have been because I'm a huge Deftones fan, but it's probably more because when people are animating and programming just for the sheer desire to do so, it really does show. Luis is an animator and storyteller; plain and simple.

At 2/12/08 11:27 AM, Luis wrote: Speaking of which... do you all have links to relative unknowns that are up and coming?

Are you guys making a Flash Underdog List? Cause that would be awesome.

Oh, I suppose if I wanna talk about something else, I have to put it in bold...

It's always strange browsing through other forums' lounge threads, and seeing the different posting methods. You guys all bold your topics. The Audio Forum lounge just posts however the hell it wants to.

Glad that Jazza business is over.

I do hope he sees this though. I'd be flattered if I generated this much buzz.

Animators I Like

Well my favourites list in my profile is some indication. Luis for his community work is a great one. I love Zekey's creativity and flair, even if his characters sometimes look flat. Rtil for the passion he puts into it and his colour schemes. I love JohnnyUtah's art. He is a horrible animator, but he draws so well and he makes me giggle with his stupid jokes.

One of my all time favourites is ConAir. Few people probably know of him, but he is so funny. And he also animates fairly well. I love Nogfish. Nash Bunny was badass to the max.

Mindchamber is awesome, but he mostly makes games, so I haven't added him to my list. I'm not big on Flash games. They can be so good, but I just don't play them often. LazyMuffin is pretty great too.

Sarkazm and his FANTASTIC ORGASM OF A MOVIE Hanged Man's Elegy will remain burned into my soul forever.

There are more on NG but I don't feel like listing them right now.

Non NG animators would be Pascal Campion. He is so good. No one captures the tiny nuances of human movement like him. Patrick Smith is another who never fails to be amazing.

Glen Keane's work on Beauty and the Beast and Tarzan is almost too good. He is a Disney master. Don Bluth's Titan A.E. was mildly neat.

There are more and more that I love but I can't get into it now, it would take ages.

If only I tried harder

Just wondering if anyone has the same problem I do with games/movies.

I have incredible ambition and a great plan. I have everything down on paper that I need to make a good game or animation, then one of two things happen.

1) The desire wears as something more important or fun comes up, or just deteriorates because I put TOO much thought into stuff. Instead of just making the game, I try to outdo myself by overcomplicating things. Even if things don't have to be in their own classes and files, I try to do that anyway, I lose the feel for "Game making" as I get into "Programming" mode, it becomes less fun and I give up half way through.

Or...

2) (which I think is worse) I finish what could be a great game or animation by skimping out on the details. Grammachnophobia, or example. Solid engine, seriously. BUT... preloader is ugly, the intro screen and splash screen are garbage, the game over screen sucks and it doesn't feel like you've accomplished anything after the game is finished. Things I could have added with another 2-3 hours of work. Prismatica could have easily looked better. Rythmic explosion (Which I did in 8 hours) could have had a nicer title/intro/splash and a high score table... without much work. Sweet tooth? Well, I did that to try and sneak into the money position in a contest and put no effort into it.

Just lack of details. Choosing the first decent sound instead of hunting around for a great one, for example.

Anyone with me on the "Well, the game is playable and I'm so fucking anxious to submit it, that I'm going to just ship it on out without finishing it properly" bandwagon?

In other news

I'm 100% that the one I'm working on (and have been for about a month) is going to be a 4.20 game. Seriously. (If I can keep my cool and finish it the way I know I need too... it'll be in the details)

I need to keep telling myself, at this point between all the Artificial Intellegence, Game design and Programming classes I've taken (Well over 60 credits (Out of the 150 or so I have) worth at this point)
that I'm fully capable of programming any of the games I've seen on Newgrounds. Honestly.
100% Sure.

I need to remember that, and apply it instead of just taking the easy way out.

We'll see if I can jump off the bandwagon and complete this one they way it needs to be done. I "might" be looking for an artist if I can't get it to look the way I visualize it. I'll keep you guys updated.

RE: If only I tried harder

At 2/12/08 04:48 PM, Johnny wrote:

Just wondering if anyone has the same problem I do with games/movies.

Yes.

1) The desire wears as something more important or fun comes up, or just deteriorates because I put TOO much thought into stuff. Instead of just making the game, I try to outdo myself by overcomplicating things. Even if things don't have to be in their own classes and files, I try to do that anyway, I lose the feel for "Game making" as I get into "Programming" mode, it becomes less fun and I give up half way through.

This is exactly what happens to me all the time whenever I try to make a movie. I overcomplicate stuff, spent too much time on details, think out scenes/shots that are over-ambitious and storyline twists and turns that will never be used in the finished movie anyway.

Number 2 hasn't really bothered me so far as problem 1 tackles me before I get to that phase. I am too working on a movie right now which I think can do pretty well if I get to finish it. I'm trying to work on it more slowly now, only when I feel creative. If I force myself to work on it, it'll take all the fun out of making the movie, and animating should be fun in the first place.

At 2/12/08 04:48 PM, Johnny wrote: If only I tried harder

Used to - that's worn off now I've finished a few things. If you force yourself to finish one or two bigger projects, the habit'll generally stick with you.

Number two mainly occurs as a result of deadlines, which are a killer for attention to detail.

At 2/12/08 02:05 PM, MRat wrote: Glad that Jazza business is over.

I do hope he sees this though. I'd be flattered if I generated this much buzz.

Animators I Like

Well my favourites list in my profile is some indication. Luis for his community work is a great one. I love Zekey's creativity and flair, even if his characters sometimes look flat. Rtil for the passion he puts into it and his colour schemes. I love JohnnyUtah's art. He is a horrible animator, but he draws so well and he makes me giggle with his stupid jokes.

Well this time you are so wrong that it is sad.
His animations are very good.
The fact that he uses tweens has nothing to do with how good he animates. Pixar uses tweens two (i am not talking about how ugly 3d is right now).
His animation are very good and i can't see why you are saying this, although he uses tweens the spacing is right his got anticipation
and in movies like TANKMEN where everything is about the conversion a good animation means good acting, and his acting is very good.
It shows their feelings.
Please if you post that you disagree please post why, don't post: i study animation therefor i know better...also what makes you say he is a bad animator ?
If the animations are good ?
The laws of animation are more guidelines then laws, if someone doesn't use anticipation for example but his animations look good he is a good animator.

Artists:

I am a fan of quite a few newgrounders.
Mcbean, Zekey, Ed Atlin, Matt Wilson, and Marc M of Course.

Also Nathanielmilburn is awesome, but (in my opinion) he has yet to create any cartoons that show his full potential.

You forgot me