3D Animation

Its here to stay, get used to it. Its not all bad really. I do really enjoy watching alot of it.

One thing i hate about it, is that its making 2D animators very lazy. Most "2D" animated shows nowa days include ALOT of 3D animation, simply vector rendered to make it "look" 2D. Thats what really pisses me off. First off, it looks terrible. The movements are borring, especially in character animation, and when a 2D invironment is put with a 3D animated object, it just looks out of place. And its all due to lazy animators. It costs less to model an ocject and rotate it then hire deacent animators to animate it rotating, which is much more stylistic and interesting.

23450, out.

I love 3D animation. I think that Disney and Pixar put out the best 3D animations, as I'm always pleasantly shocked at how good they are. I think Cars is one of the best 3D animations out there. I had no intention of seeing it, but when I did, I was amazed.

At 10/22/07 11:23 PM, TrueDarkness wrote: I think Cars is one of the best 3D animations out there. I had no intention of seeing it, but when I did, I was amazed.

it was.....alright. The only 3D animated movie made reacently that, in my mind, even compares to the movies made in the early days of 3D animation, was the Incredibles. Besides that, i cant really think of anything that i perticualrily "loved" like i did the older ones.

3D Stuffs
Yeh, I'm not really fond of any recent 3D work. I find studios are trying way to hard to make it hip, cool, fresh, and fun, but still trying to go for this everday life realism. They don't blend well at all in my opinion. I hated Cars, though I liked the One Man Band short in the beginning. Of course I'm also very picky just based on content and story in general, regardless of how slick the visuals might be,

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Yah, so I'm back around again. I dissapear a whole lot it seems. I just moved back to my homeland of Canada from a 4 year stint in Germany. I'm in Ottawa now. Coem rape meh, plz.

3D Movies and junk.
They seem to be increasingly popular these days... I'm not a big fan of them. If their were more serious or horror 3D movies as apposed to comedies I'd probably be more into them. Love the animations and artwork in some. Pixar always blows me away.
Course the rare 3D movie on NG is neat too. Most poeple go "OH! 3D! Must vote 5!!!". but whatever.
Supi I think is for sure amoung the top 3 NG 3D artists/animators. MindChambers in there too but, that's to be expected. :P

At 10/22/07 07:52 PM, DarkMana wrote:

At 10/22/07 06:15 PM, Depredation wrote:

At 10/22/07 06:00 PM, Paranoia wrote: Index, I think :P

I could swear i've heard them called indicies :S. I'll cross off another smart point :(.

Index is singular, indices is plural. Honestly, I've made the same mistake. :P

Yeah, the same applies for helix and helices, and matrix and matrices. I only really know them from Biology last year. Plurals are fun :)

RE: 3D animation

This topic crops up every week or so. Basically:

Films made with a desire to create something and true inspiration = Good
Films made to make a shitload of cash = Bad

It's the same for the Flash scene, and as far as movies go 3D films with big names doing voice acting just happen to be the latest moneymaking bandwagon. That isn't to say that there aren't a few truly inspired 3D films, but the market is saturated by producers trying to get as many people buying tickets as possible before 3D becomes old.

At 10/23/07 05:42 AM, ShirtTurtle wrote: I also really miss when the characters could just break out into song, and it wouldn't seem weird.

It's cool when they do that in TV shows :P

Eg

At 10/23/07 06:20 AM, Paranoia wrote: It's cool when they do that in TV shows :P

Eg

That show was awesome.

At 10/22/07 09:16 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:
3D can be nice if used in the right style, it's just when companies are pumping out generic talking animal movies because they're cheap and easy to produce and turn up big profits that it gets sickening.

Funny thing is while I'm getting sick of 3D movies like everyone else, I doubt people are getting too sick of 3D video games. While a good 2D game can be amazing if done right, a 3D game actually changes the gameplay up and offers more options for gameplay. In an animation however, the same effect could be pulled off in 2D as in 3D, with a few exceptions where the 3D style fits perfectly with the mood the movie is trying to portray.

Yeah i share this opinion too. 3D does open up alot of new options for movies too though. It adds volume to character and environment and it allows the artist to make the models and environment once and then, think about direction/light/camera etc. It's a very interesting way of creating a movie, with potential that goes far beyond simple pixar comedy. (Even though i must admit i really can enjoy a movie like that once in a while).

At 10/23/07 08:20 AM, AloneInTheDark wrote:

Funny thing is while I'm getting sick of 3D movies like everyone else, I doubt people are getting too sick of 3D video games.

Totally different :P 2D characters in films can still move through three dimensions, whereas with video games that becomes much harder.

Also, I think someone mentioned before how awesome an ultra-violent 3D animated film would be. I reckon we petition Pixar to let Tarantino direct their next film or something :)

At 10/23/07 05:42 AM, ShirtTurtle wrote: Disney shouldn't have put traditional animation to one side. I'm sure both 3d and 2d can both work together.

Yes. It worked so well with Titan AE and Treasure Planet, didn't it?

Personally I like 3d meshing with 2d. But so far, the execution has always ended up sub par somehow.

And while we still have plenty of 2d cartoons being pushed out (with the two better ones being Billy & Mandy and Metalocalypse, which both rely on 'limited animation', or what everyone here calls 'tweening') - the law of economics state that a quickly made 3d cartoon is EASIER to make than a quickly made 2d one - one model, and then all you need to do is animate it. And with all the supportive technologies available for 3d (such as, say, mocap, or physics engines), 3d is, dollar by dollar, tremendously more profitable than 2d.

3d is here to stay because 2d takes too much effort for too little reward. Mind you, so is overt political correctness in cartoons. And we all know how sucky, obvious or demeaning THAT can be at times...

I think that 2d and 3d is still an akward mix... it always annoyed me whn futurama does it... i think the only piece where i felt like it worked well was in the gorillaz mosic videos.. i think that it doesnt feel as jarring and foreign.. i dunno

At 10/23/07 10:11 AM, Luis wrote: Titan AE worked because Don Bluth is one of my favorite animators of all timeeeee....

had to share that sorry.

Also.... butts.

When I found out that the guy who did 'The Secret of NIMH' AND the creator of Firefly worked on Titan AE, I was horrified because that movie sucked horribly.

At 10/23/07 10:28 AM, MutedD wrote:

When I found out that the guy who did 'The Secret of NIMH' AND the creator of Firefly worked on Titan AE, I was horrified because that movie sucked horribly.

True.. well i think that movie was just too ambitious .. performed horribly in the box office and such. yea i just am a hypocrit cause im hardcore supportive

/meaningless post/
mrfinland is now a proud owner of a mullet. (WHOS NEXT!?) ^^
/meaningless post/

At 10/23/07 10:28 AM, MutedD wrote: When I found out that the guy who did 'The Secret of NIMH' AND the creator of Firefly worked on Titan AE, I was horrified because that movie sucked horribly.

Whedon also did Alien 4. Bluth was responsible for one of the least interactive video games of all time. (Press the button NOW or be eaten by a dragon! Repeat for the next seventy rooms...)
No person has a clean history. We just try to remember them for the important / good stuff and vow never to make thier mistakes.

Shiny.

At 10/23/07 10:46 AM, TheCriminalDuder wrote: /meaningless post/
mrfinland is now a proud owner of a mullet. (WHOS NEXT!?) ^^
/meaningless post/

Didn't Luis make some post saying he was going to ban anyone talking about mullets?

At 10/23/07 01:22 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Didn't Luis make some post saying he was going to ban anyone talking about mullets?

You're still alive?

At 10/23/07 01:22 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Didn't Luis make some post saying he was going to ban anyone talking about mullets?

I thought that word was overused and done already.... *trying not to say it..*

ewh.

i personally am sick of the generic cg movies that are coming out. i mean why do they all reek of the same formulaic and boring unsurprising smell? the only company remotely doing something different is pixar. id be interested in seeing some anime-cg movie hybrid. more advent children i say. also am i qualified to post in this lounge?

At 10/23/07 04:21 PM, Kanadian-Keith wrote: I think that some of the best 3D movies aren't really movies but shorts. Like does anyone remember that one little short that was played before a disney movie that I can't remember which one but it was about an old guy playing chess and he was playing chess with himself, i thought that was really well done

Aww, you just said what I was gunna say. But at least I found the link. :D

At 10/23/07 10:20 AM, Luis wrote: I think that 2d and 3d is still an akward mix... it always annoyed me whn futurama does it... i think the only piece where i felt like it worked well was in the gorillaz mosic videos.. i think that it doesnt feel as jarring and foreign.. i dunno

yeah, sometimes in futurama it looks dodgy, but in the simpsons movie it nice to see they didnt over use it, and it fitted, well i think so anyway.

At 10/23/07 04:21 PM, Kanadian-Keith wrote:
I think that some of the best 3D movies aren't really movies but shorts. Like does anyone remember that one little short that was played before a disney movie that I can't remember which one but it was about an old guy playing chess and he was playing chess with himself, i thought that was really well done

for the mixing of 2D and 3D, i think that not all can pull it off, i think there are only some styles that can and 2D should be used as long as their is animation.

Exactly. It can very well be combined. Watch the magnificent academy award nominated short 'Mysterious explorations of Jasper Morello'.
3d is still in it's growing up phase i think. So far, most 3d artists are only trying to impress the audience with the pretty pictures the technique can produce, but some shorts really take full advantage of the technique and use it in a highly original way.

Check out this trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWjLRpUqx Tc&eurl=

3d lighting

i was just watching the 'how we make a movie' thing on the pixar website, and there was a few shots of a scene being built up, and lighting makes such a difference to 3d stuff, its pretty cool that it goes from WoW type graphics to monsters inc. (thats what the scene was from, probably because of all the hair on the blue dude.)

At 10/23/07 01:22 PM, jmtb02 wrote:

At 10/23/07 10:46 AM, TheCriminalDuder wrote: /meaningless post/
mrfinland is now a proud owner of a *CENSORED*. (WHOS NEXT!?) ^^
/meaningless post/

Didn't Luis make some post saying he was going to ban anyone talking about *CENSORED*?

Actually I threatened to ban anyone who'd say it. But I'm not a mod so that doesn't have much meaning. :*(
Anyway I'm tryin' hard to avoid the word at all possible. But I felt proud that I got someone to get one too so I'm happy and felt like sharing the happyness. ^^
Anyway... End of subject/topic.

At 10/23/07 04:48 PM, tony4moroney wrote: i personally am sick of the generic cg movies that are coming out. i mean why do they all reek of the same formulaic and boring unsurprising smell? the only company remotely doing something different is pixar. id be interested in seeing some anime-cg movie hybrid. more advent children i say.

So you dislike the lack of originality in modern CG features, but you want more anime?

Also, an I know it's a tired example, but I would like to point out Spirited Away as an amazing example of using CG to enhance a traditionally animated film. Possibly because they used hand painted textures and no crazy shaders and such, but they did it in a really seamless way that really added to the animation.

Damn, you guys are unstoppable when someone brings up some kind of 2d vs. 3d conversation

I hated cars... =D...

3d is here... gonna stay... generic story lines have been around forever even if not in 3d animated films but in live action... they're here to stay.
3d I feel needs to be looked at as a revolution a new platform... when computerized animation came out I'm sure traditional animators poo poo'd the saturated colors the unoriginal plot lines of cartoons and a more computerized feel... It reall is around to stay and not much we can really do in my book.

Even if I do enjoy a few things that come out, I thought the simpson's movie was the worst animated film to come out this year. Talk about a movie with poor storyline, mediocre comedy and flashy visuals... Isn't that what you guys are compaining 3d is? It's not the animation medium it really is the ideas and writers.

At 10/23/07 06:47 PM, Siggy0501 wrote: Damn, you guys are unstoppable when someone brings up some kind of 2d vs. 3d conversation

agreed...why don't we change the subject and talk about something else....hmmm

Making Monay!

does anybody know of somewhere where you can make money off your flash animations?

check here for more info

Making Monay.
Ahh... makin' money with flash. Almost too awesome for words.
Sponsorship I think is the best. Selling animations isn't really that popular I think because, which would you rather do? Spend 6 months on a movie and make $600-$2000? Knowing that this process can be extremely grueling at times. Or spending 6 months having fun coding and makin' the animations/art for a game which you yourself can test play and have fun with while makin' it? And make up $4000+ if it's a really awesome game. Ex. Fancy Pants Adventure, Asteriods 3, and Ball Revamped 5 <3.
I think the easiest to actually make would just be those 700 px by 100ish px web banner ad things... Course I'm not sure how'd you get into that one...