The executioner comes on tuesday, and it is a surprise to the prisoner. How is it still a surprise, if logically no day would be a surprise to him?

Because he tought it wouldnt be a surprise?

or maybe he was just sleepy..

That monty hall paradox is cool!

And about the scrodinger's cat.. i understood that the cat was both alive nad eath because you couldnt tell for sure wheter he was alive or death.. i know htat comic would have beeen fun if i.. um.. understood it..

I hate slow post text.. it is bad for my spelling..

OverRated?

I'm sure this has come up before, but since then I'm sure you guys have become disgusted with other movies or games. So answer my little diddly, whats, in your eyes, the most overrated flash!?

Real Movies

What do you think of people submitting real movies here in "swf" format? If they're decent quality?

That should keep some conversation going.

At 8/20/07 01:17 AM, Contain wrote: OverRated?

I'm sure this has come up before, but since then I'm sure you guys have become disgusted with other movies or games. So answer my little diddly, whats, in your eyes, the most overrated flash!?

Real Movies

What do you think of people submitting real movies here in "swf" format? If they're decent quality?

That should keep some conversation going.

Nobody ever said Newgrounds was only a cartoon flash site. Or.. did they 0_o

OverRated

Super Mario Z is very overated due to popular belief but even so it would take a while to make an EP and requires more talent then the average n00b. Most things that are overated are overated due to it being related to some form of fanbase that mass votes it.

Real Vids

NG was made for flash games/movies. "This ain't youtube." as some say. Most live action vids either become greatly overatted or are blammed/removed.
However uploading a live action with flash elements are different thing. If you go out and record a bunch of bg eg. a park, and animated a cartoon man walking in it. I don't see much of a problem with that. Pulling a "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" style of flash would be interesting. Or even combining flash and live action. Like havetng to poeple fight with MK health bars on the top of the screen and sound fx.

Over-rated

Those 'Awesome Compilations' seem pretty overrated. The voice acting and lipsyncing is fine, but the animation and drawings are pretty lackluster, and it seems to be voted highly anyways because it has a lot of videogame related humour.

OVER-RATED

The "Dad" movies are good I'll admit. However, they're not "one month front page" kinda good.

At 8/20/07 02:42 AM, CrazyChihuahua wrote: Over-rated

Those 'Awesome Compilations' seem pretty overrated. The voice acting and lipsyncing is fine, but the animation and drawings are pretty lackluster, and it seems to be voted highly anyways because it has a lot of videogame related humour.

Yeah in his latest one he actually explains that he doesn't really suck at art, but people thought the crappy art was funny, which I guess is true, so he kept doing it that way. And if you're tracking "overrated" by newground's voting system then that's a waste of time.

At 8/20/07 02:58 AM, Coaly wrote:

At 8/20/07 02:42 AM, CrazyChihuahua wrote: Over-rated

Those 'Awesome Compilations' seem pretty overrated. The voice acting and lipsyncing is fine, but the animation and drawings are pretty lackluster, and it seems to be voted highly anyways because it has a lot of videogame related humour.

Yeah in his latest one he actually explains that he doesn't really suck at art, but people thought the crappy art was funny, which I guess is true, so he kept doing it that way. And if you're tracking "overrated" by newground's voting system then that's a waste of time.

I checked his userpage and the art portion of his site, and he is actually a damn good artist. I guess if people like it like that, why not continue it? However, I still feel like it is overrated. However, chances are it'll go down in score in time, like pretty much everything that highly rated does.

Overrated

Every movie submission ever mad by anyone anywhere ever is overrated. EDN.

Teh Overatzor
Logically, the most popular toons need a long time on frontpage. Remember, not everyone coming to NG does this every day - there are still enough people out there telling each other in the playground or around the water cooler "Dude, I saw this amazing cartoon... it's at Newgrounds on the Front Page...". Visitors don't want to spend hours drudging through the portal (even if it's in the Top 100) to find the kewl thing of the day. And so the fads stay up there for longer - because the adsinistration team need thier page views to keep this site alive.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind seeing a more dynamic front page showing more of the "you might have missed..." type of toons and games. But as anyone keeping track of my score can see, I've pretty much stopped doing my five a day - I even missed the thousand odd free save points I could have stolen for Clock Day... I should really get back into it, just to see what everyone's up to

At 8/20/07 02:10 AM, TheCriminalDuder wrote: NG was made for flash games/movies. "This ain't youtube." as some say. Most live action vids either become greatly overatted or are blammed/removed.

Youtube?! This. IS. NEWGROUNDS!
Oh it so needed doing...

I side on this side of things. Now that Youtube is singlehandedly dominating this whole video weblog kind of thing, the stuff done mainly with a camcorder should go up there. In fact, we should submit all movies there... oh... wait a second.

The problem is the lines blur because these kind of sites just don't say "NO!" to a particular medium. There's nothing stopping us converting our SWFs to movie files (other than, you know, Flash sucking at exporting nested movieclips even in Flash CS3... but Camstudio can fix 9/10 of these problem cases) and uploading them to Youseriesoftubes ourselves. So why can't it work in reverse? The elitism that our hard grinded animation is better than someone dancing in front of a webcam or putting computer game graphics and a hundred photoshopped pictures together is already violently debunked...

So although I don't like seeing videos on the portal (particularily those of utter shite quality), and used to leave scathing hateful comments about them, if one makes it up to Front Page then I have no complaints

Other than, you know, that I didn't do it...

At 8/20/07 02:10 AM, TheCriminalDuder wrote: However uploading a live action with flash elements are different thing... Pulling a "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" style of flash would be interesting.

I'm still waiting for someone to remember Flash and Premiere allows for chromakey...

Tempted to save for a Digital Camera / Camcorder, a green sheet of fabric and four large lights... I think a Flash Point and Click with a real person in an Animated World would be an amazing concept for a game. And yes, I can see the merits of anything that took a long time in post production in Flash editing and making it special and unique.

Holy Paradox Galiel Man!

At 8/19/07 08:08 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: that's neat.
I remember reading a paradox once (don't remember what it was called), but it was interesting.
It went like this... (Suprise Paradox)

That one amuses me to no end.

My favorite little trick goes like this though.
"Has my movie been finished yet?", a famous animator inquires to his apprentice. His new movie needs uploading ASAP, and being too busy to finish it off himself, he passes it onto his (exceptionally talented) newbie understudy.
"Well, technically it's not your movie any more..."
"What do you mean?"
"Well, remember how you said the intro was terrible?"
"Yes..."
"Well I completely redid it, as you said I could. Redrew the backgrounds, re animated some of the characters, gave them better lines, rerecorded the voice acting..."
"So?"
"Well there were then some complications with the later scenes. Things needed to make sense compared to the beginning, and the high level of quality needed maintaining. So I had to change those to make sense, completely redoing them from the ground up..."
"What are you sayi--"
"And then I realised some problems were stemming from the stuff I kept in at the beginning, so I completely redid it... and now there's nothing of your movie left... in fact, here's the backup I kept of your original stuff - run them side by side and you'll notice there's nothing in common with it bar the basic framework"
"But I still get coauthor, right?"

Can something be replaced, piece by piece, and still retain it's original identity even if all the original pieces are replaced?

At 8/20/07 02:10 AM, TheCriminalDuder wrote: Real Vids

I want to, I don't know why exactly, film me and some people doing random crap, and having an animated bit every 10 seconds or so, just saying his thoughts, and making lame one-liners. I have ideas.

At 8/20/07 04:43 AM, KaynSlamdyke wrote:

My favorite little trick goes like this though.
"Has my movie been finished yet?", a famous animator inquires to his apprentice. His new movie needs uploading ASAP, and being too busy to finish it off himself, he passes it onto his (exceptionally talented) newbie understudy.
"Well, technically it's not your movie any more..."
"What do you mean?"
"Well, remember how you said the intro was terrible?"
"Yes..."
"Well I completely redid it, as you said I could. Redrew the backgrounds, re animated some of the characters, gave them better lines, rerecorded the voice acting..."
"So?"
"Well there were then some complications with the later scenes. Things needed to make sense compared to the beginning, and the high level of quality needed maintaining. So I had to change those to make sense, completely redoing them from the ground up..."
"What are you sayi--"
"And then I realised some problems were stemming from the stuff I kept in at the beginning, so I completely redid it... and now there's nothing of your movie left... in fact, here's the backup I kept of your original stuff - run them side by side and you'll notice there's nothing in common with it bar the basic framework"
"But I still get coauthor, right?"

Can something be replaced, piece by piece, and still retain it's original identity even if all the original pieces are replaced?

It depends on what you mean by 'the same'.

It's quite strange really, if we found the Titanic boat, fixed up but actually didn't leave any of original components, would it still be right to call it the Titanic, or would it be a replica?
If Jerry (example name) got genetically modified as so none of the origional Jerry was there, even his brain replaced but his personallity had copied, updated and inserted.. would he still be Jerry?

So I'd say it takes the origional identity from origional and changes it still keeping the basics (although even that is a bit vague).

At 8/20/07 05:18 AM, Battered-Prawn wrote: It's quite strange really, if we found the Titanic boat, fixed up but actually didn't leave any of original components, would it still be right to call it the Titanic, or would it be a replica?

This is one of those things where it becomes more confusing the more you think about it. I'd say to just use your instinct. If it feels like the same boat to you then call it so, and if it doesn't then call it a replica :)

At 8/20/07 05:50 AM, Paranoia wrote: This is one of those things where it becomes more confusing the more you think about it. I'd say to just use your instinct. If it feels like the same boat to you then call it so, and if it doesn't then call it a replica :)

It gets worse...
The average maximum lifespan for most human cells is about ten years, and maturityand character changes are so gradual and powerful that someone can have a complete change of heart and ethos within a decade (who was it that said "A man who's twenty and not a liberal has no heart, a man at thirty who isn't conservative has no brain"?). Are you still the same person you were ten years ago?

Good book for anyone who likes thinking of these things is The Pig That Wants to be Eaten. Taking the best one hundred paradoxes, ethical quandries and plagues of philosophy from the last few thousand years, giving them a modern slant (or ripping them straight from popular culture... as the title suggests, Hitchhiker's Guide features a fair bit) and presenting them as thought experiments.

Now. I can tell we're going to drive the rest of the regulars insane with our philosophical rambling. Time for that change of subject back to trolling the popular artists... ^_^

At 8/20/07 05:50 AM, Paranoia wrote:

At 8/20/07 05:18 AM, Battered-Prawn wrote: It's quite strange really, if we found the Titanic boat, fixed up but actually didn't leave any of original components, would it still be right to call it the Titanic, or would it be a replica?

Its the titanic. Because, in a way, you would have to do it one step at a time, there fore, your only updating it, until everything is updated. My views!

Confusing Science Crap: 4th Dimension/String Theory

I dont know why but I find trying to imagine other dimensions pretty wierd, but fun.

Check out some of the image's lower the page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract

At 8/20/07 05:18 AM, Battered-Prawn wrote: It depends on what you mean by 'the same'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_The seus#Definitions_of_.22the_same.22

It's quite strange really, if we found the Titanic boat, fixed up but actually didn't leave any of original components, would it still be right to call it the Titanic, or would it be a replica?

That would be qualitively different but numerically the same. I think.

At 8/20/07 05:59 AM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: It gets worse...

I think he would still be the same human, in terms of identity but possibly not in quality.

At 8/19/07 07:29 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: Now. Onto less complicated (but no less wierd) paradoxes...

Classic, I love that problem

A little reminder

Just to remind everyone that you shouldn't be posting in old topics (especially ones about piracy) under any circumstance. Just contact a mod. Come on guys, I thought you all knew better than this =/

Nairo's Flaw...

At 8/20/07 09:19 AM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: A little reminder

Just to remind everyone that you shouldn't be posting in old topics (especially ones about piracy) under any circumstance. Just contact a mod. Come on guys, I thought you all knew better than this =/

The wierd thing was I saw a mod online at the time and didn't think any of it. You all get around to putting these things back in thier place in the end. I'm amazed it took all of an hour to correct...

I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but continuing the discussion of paradoxes and string theory here is a link which will help you 'Imagine the Tenth Dimension.' It's extremely difficult wrapping your head around some of these concepts...especially towards the end of it. The most ridiculous thing is that all of these dimensions theoretically make perfect sense.

I don't get man...science and me never worked out so well, but I find this stuff fascinating. Also, Kayn, I think I am going to have to pick up that Pig book. That looks fantastic.

At 8/20/07 01:14 PM, Senti wrote: I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but continuing the discussion of paradoxes and string theory here is a link which will help you 'Imagine the Tenth Dimension.' It's extremely difficult wrapping your head around some of these concepts...especially towards the end of it. The most ridiculous thing is that all of these dimensions theoretically make perfect sense.

Haha that was a cool video, makes me feel insignificantly small, but that's ok. That guys voice is so narratoresque, and the animation was a good visual aid to what he was saying. Crazy tenth dimensional theory!

At 8/20/07 01:14 PM, Senti wrote: I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but continuing the discussion of paradoxes and string theory here is a link which will help you 'Imagine the Tenth Dimension.' It's extremely difficult wrapping your head around some of these concepts...especially towards the end of it. The most ridiculous thing is that all of these dimensions theoretically make perfect sense.

Thats been posted on these forums a few times. A few people dispute it for some reason, but I've yet to hear of a better extrapolation of the dimensions. Well, bar String Theory, which infers we're all 1 dimensional at heart...

I don't get man...science and me never worked out so well, but I find this stuff fascinating. Also, Kayn, I think I am going to have to pick up that Pig book. That looks fantastic.

Philosophy owns Science's ass.

Science Crap

Makes my brain hurt. :-P

Madness Day

Who's not making something? Seriously, Tom gave up the hype for Clock Day for an already overparodied series?

Youtube

I think videos should be on Newgrounds for special reasons. I don't want a million crappy webcam videos of lazy fat people spamming the portal. I think its when only Flash has played a key part in the making of the video, like Animation Invasion. Its also been iffy about Flash being on Youtube. Rtil considered putting his stuff up there once, but changed his mind considering all the reasons.

Anipedia

Speaking of Rtil, anyone seen Anipedia?. He made it, saying that Flashwiki is now infested with BBS bottomfeeders. I kind of agree. Jmtb02 hasn't moderated the site much since it started, so I see good reasons with the making of Anipedia.

At 8/20/07 09:21 AM, KaynSlamdyke wrote:

At 8/20/07 09:19 AM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: A little reminder

Just to remind everyone that you shouldn't be posting in old topics (especially ones about piracy) under any circumstance. Just contact a mod. Come on guys, I thought you all knew better than this =/

The wierd thing was I saw a mod online at the time and didn't think any of it. You all get around to putting these things back in thier place in the end. I'm amazed it took all of an hour to correct...

If only Lord Sonx were here. He'd tell us what we need!

So I'm watching the news...

And I see this. To summarise, an idiot who killed his head teacher back when he was a kid has won an appeal against being deported to Italy, since he moved here when he was like six, doesn't speak Italian and doesn't know anyone in Italy, and rightly so.

I'm surprised there's even a debate on the matter. Why the hell should somebody face deportation to a country they've probably got no memory of because of a crime they're already being punished for? If somebody may be facing deportation then it shouldn't make a difference what crimes they commit - somebody who should be deported should be without waiting for them to commit a crime beforehand, and likewise somebody who wouldn't have been deported in normal circumstances deserves to be treated by the law exactly the same as somebody who commits the same crime having been born in the UK.

I'm not in anyway suggesting that the man doesn't deserve the sentence he's already serving, but the idea that somebody should be sentenced more severely purely based on what country they were born in is the most xenophobic idea I've seen championed by media in this country for as far as I can remember. These hate mongerers should be ashamed.

Anyway, rant over. Hopefully you guys can put forward some more intelligent discussion than the Politics guys.

At 8/20/07 02:19 PM, Paranoia wrote: And I see this. To summarise, an idiot who killed his head teacher back when he was a kid has won an appeal against being deported to Italy, since he moved here when he was like six, doesn't speak Italian and doesn't know anyone in Italy, and rightly so.

I disagree. He should have been deported. As should all foreign criminals, regardless of what they face upon arrival in their homeland. If they want to live here they need to follow our laws, if they don't they can GTFO.

At 8/20/07 02:35 PM, CitricSquid wrote: Surely he has become british? He moved here when he was 6 and lived here for nearly 10 years and now it's been over 20, he can't be called italian :/

The BBC report said he still holds an Italian passport.

Also, it's not really xenophobic to put the needs and safety off British citizens first, is it?

We always here about criminals winning appeals because of their human rights, but what of the victim's and the victim's family human rights? If you take a human life, should you still be entitled to human rights?

At 8/20/07 02:39 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: We always here about criminals winning appeals because of their human rights, but what of the victim's and the victim's family human rights? If you take a human life, should you still be entitled to human rights?

By that logic, you could deport everybody who commits a crime, regardless of country of origin. I'm not having a go at the severity of the punishment or victims' rights anything like that - it's the differentiation between person A and person B based purely on where they were born. When one guy can commit a murder and gets off with a lighter punishment (i.e. not being deported to somwhere he's not lived since he was playing with legos) than another guy just because he was born into a nice white British household, something's wrong with the law.

At the end of the day we have to treat all criminals equally, regardless of whether they came from another country as a kid or not. Whether that means giving longer sentances or not isn't the issue, but we can't just go around looking for excuses to shift our problems over to other countries. Victims have rights when the criminal is British too.

Italian Felon not deported, A.K.A My this is healthy conversation before we all meet up in a months time...

At 8/20/07 02:39 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: The BBC report said he still holds an Italian passport.

Also, it's not really xenophobic to put the needs and safety off British citizens first, is it?

We always here about criminals winning appeals because of their human rights, but what of the victim's and the victim's family human rights? If you take a human life, should you still be entitled to human rights?

I'm going to have to end up siding with Para for this one. The guy should be spending serious time in an English jail, rather than time in a jail where rehabilitation would be hampered by the fact he'd have to be learning the language from cons and prison guards. Even the human's brain ability to pick up languages will be challenged by those circumstances.

Mind you, it's a horrible thing he's done, and in my opinion the point is moot - he should be spending the next few decades or so completely out of society and then, upon reformation, would be allowed to travel wherever he wants in the EU as befits any person in this Eurostate of ours. I personally don't care whether he serves the time in a British jail eating up my council tax moneys, or in an Italian one eating the money out of the VAT I pay.

Got to wonder why the government cares so much deporting him. Other than that whole overcrowding thing, I can only think of it being a trickle of xenophobia - the guy was as much a British youth when he stabbed that teacher to death, but the Italian passport means suddenly we don't want him in our prison system, which means that the state doesn't want to support him, or possibly anyone else from the EU... felon or not...

Think I may be reading too much into a subject I don't know anything about, so I'll stop there...

At 8/20/07 02:19 PM, Paranoia wrote: If only Lord Sonx were here. He'd tell us what we need!

May he RIP.