At 7/14/07 11:18 AM, crushy wrote: Am I the only one that hasnt had one of these wierd dreams?

Nope, it's kind of stupid. I don't know what the hell you guys are eating, but you might wanna stop, because your gonna need a psychiatrist soon.

Phone in
For anyone in America, this is kind of fun.. i think Rockstar is gonna have one of its radio stations in grand theft auto be a series of phone ins from everyday people so call in and participate you never know, one of our own could cameo in the next gta

http://www.wkttradio.com/

Phone in

I would, but I'm not a GTA guy. I doubt it'll be on the wii or PS2 anyway.

..::Phone in::..

I don't know if I would need less or more self-esteem to be able to call that number, but right now it's a no. Sounds like a cool idea though. My guess is that the majority of the callers are not 18 and older and obviously haven't read the terms and conditions. I doubt there's a way to verify the callers age, hopefully that won't land Rockstar in more hot water.

The flash forum has gone crap >:(

Okay, so i went off of this forum for around 2/3months or whateverrwith the occasional post/read. Already i have seen 3topics with double, triple or even quadrople posts in. What the hell is going on!!?!?! Did the Mods lose there ban buttons?

At 7/14/07 03:22 PM, UnknownFury wrote: The flash forum has gone crap >:(

Okay, so i went off of this forum for around 2/3months or whateverrwith the occasional post/read. Already i have seen 3topics with double, triple or even quadrople posts in. What the hell is going on!!?!?! Did the Mods lose there ban buttons?

Which threads? It's hard to keep track of every thread, especially with the amount of collabs going on. Feel free to PM or IM me when you notice someone breaking a rule.

#1
#2

Those are 2 i could just find quickly. Is double, in the case X4, posting actually against the rules?

At 7/14/07 03:42 PM, UnknownFury wrote: #1
#2

Those are 2 i could just find quickly. Is double, in the case X4, posting actually against the rules?

#1 is gone, don't worry about that.

Well there isn't a rule to not allow posting four times in a row, and that user seems to have waited, at least a little while before bumping and had a reasonable query. My judgement is that it's okay, other mods might disagree.

RE: The forum has gone down the shitter

At 7/14/07 03:22 PM, UnknownFury wrote: Okay, so i went off of this forum for around 2/3months or whateverrwith the occasional post/read. Already i have seen 3topics with double, triple or even quadrople posts in. What the hell is going on!!?!?! Did the Mods lose there ban buttons?

Nah, it's always been like this. Remember the infamous 'I have an awesome idea' guy's thread? I think he was called kevinmeurs77 or something at the time.

OMG LOOK I FOUND IT!!!

Outta control forum

PM kirk-cocaine or BMK, they are new. I've been promoted to senior custodian so i just supervise now and occasionally post in my own threads.

i am back
well i missed you guyes so what did i miss ???

At 7/14/07 06:17 PM, patu1 wrote: i am back
well i missed you guyes so what did i miss ???

No idea who you are but I remember your sig well :)

Digital vs. Traditional?

How well are your digital art skills, compared to your traditional art skills? Like before you started Flash, were you good at hand drawn art, or did you learn everything you know about art from Flash work? Personally, I didn't do much art before Flash, but Flash sort of incited me to work on my art skills more than before.

At 7/14/07 06:36 PM, Masterswordman wrote: Digital vs. Traditional?

Actually I was quite the artist before I started Flash.
Now I'm worse. :/

Digital vs. Traditional

I really kind of sucked at drawing until around 6th grade but my teachers always thought there was something different about the way I drew compared to the way other kids drew. I had more patience or something...
Anyway, in 6th grade I started to draw constantly and make flip books with post it note pads. I taught myself how to do shitty shading with pencils and my fingers (which everyone in my grade thought was so amazing, lol). At around this time, my mom signed me up for some art classes at this stupid artsy place near my house. I hated it with a passions. They taught us all these "rules" about drawing, like you have to use your whole arm to draw a freakin' circle. I was better off teaching myself and i didn't have to waste my parents' money so I quit those classes.
In 8th grade my friend mentioned flash when he saw one of my flipbooks. I tried Flash and didn't like it because it didn't have same feel as drawing with a pencil. I almost gave up until i learned about the motion tween, haha. From then on, i was hooked on digital art and preferred it infinitely over traditional art because the possibilities are so much greater. I submitted my first animation to NG and it got blammed >:(
This blam is what motivated me to work harder and produce better pieces. Then I found the forums and a whole new world was opened to me.
Right now, I'm sitting in my dorm in NYC because I'm taking Motion Graphics classes at the School of Visual Arts. If it weren't for the Newgrounds community, I probably wouldn't be here right now..

Hmm i kinda went off topic there... I think traditional art is great and all, it's a whole different, more natural feeling, but I like digital art because of its freedom and possibilities. I often use the two together to produce better, more accurate results.

Grammar
So I am taking this writing class, and I got my first paper back with a grade of C+. I have earned straight A's and B's in writing assignments before this paper, so it came with quite a shock. I found out I started to utilize passive voice, I asked too many rhetorical questions, and that my technical use of commas could be adjusted. As nit-picking at this can be, I took it in full stride, and decided to go online to kill some time. When I saw the grammar of some of the people on this site, it struck a chord and made me realize just how terrible the internet vernacular is.

For example, I grabbed this review from Fulp's animation about Luis.

you may be tom fulp but i really didnt care for this flash it was crude and kinda retarted it may have been a inside joke for your freinds but really it wasnt funny for people who dont know you in that level the people who were rating you were probably just trying to kiss up to you by making it all 10s i think otherwise and belive that the submmision should be rated not the author also at the start you make fun of a guy complaining about being banned by Luis and you give the immpresssion that you dont care that the guy was banned just because he was banned by your freind Luis I dont know that author but if that really did happened and the guy was banned without a real reason just because he was banned by Luis makes it okay because he is your freind that is messed up and your abusing your power but if the guy really did do something that was wrong and Luis banned him then its justified all in all i didnt care much for this flash your other ones are quite good dont get me wrong but this aint one of them.

There is one period in this sentence, several uses of contractions, misspelled words, and poor use of grammar. I think to myself, wow, people are writing this? I see people who are 30 and cannot even perform better than this.

What do you guys think? Does the internet breed poor grammar, or do you feel this grammar comes from real life? I feel like bad grammar is synonymous with reading anything on the web, and I cannot put my finger on why it happens. I know a lot of people are foreign, but usually it is clear when they are... the use of dictionaries and translators are obvious. So what is it? Does poor grammar hurt internet users, or just attract people who cannot form clear, concise sentences?

Bad Grammar
Most people on the internet type incorrectly because its quicker. I've intentionally typed grammatically incorrect sentences from time to time just to type more quickly or simply because I don't care. No one really cares about being judged by people on the internet because their writing isn't going to be graded or anything. However, i think you can go to far and ended up looking retarded.

For example,
"Uda 1's" - Other ones.
"hu u tlkin 2' - To whom are you talking?
"lol dat wuz tite" - lol. That was cool.

At 7/14/07 06:59 PM, jmtb02 wrote: What do you guys think? Does the internet breed poor grammar, or do you feel this grammar comes from real life?

I would definitely say that the internet has a bad influence on people's grammar, I find it hard to imagine people writing like they do here on NG in school or similar. People get used not having to care about grammar and stuff after a while though and then it may affect how they write when not on the internet as well. I have a friend who wrote things like 'gonna' and 'u'(you) in a school work ^_^

I know a lot of people are foreign, but usually it is clear when they are... the use of dictionaries and translators are obvious.

English is not my native language, I have read it in school for many years though and I spend much of my time on English/American sites, like NG, so I've come to a point where I almost find it easier to write in English than in Swedish.

So what is it? Does poor grammar hurt internet users, or just attract people who cannot form clear, concise sentences?

I think that you easily can be 'dragged into' bad grammar, but as long as you try to write as correct as you can at all time you should be ok.

At 7/14/07 06:59 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Grammar

You have to consider the fact that half of the people writing anything on the internet are 13- 16 and still in process of learning how to use English correctly. The review system has always been crap. You'll always get one or two good, well planned out reviews, and just a crap load of shitty ones. Just another part of Newgrounds I guess.

Also, since the internet is so diverse, a lot of bilinguals are mistaken as retard bastards.

..::traditional vs digital::..

I for one like both, although it has been a long time since I've done anything traditional other than doodle. There are advantages and disadvantages to each. When I do digital artwork, in Photoshop, I often limit myself about things like not using ctrl + z, not using layers, sticking to certain color palettes and limit myself to one brush. I find that having boundaries like these bring out creativity, makes you think more about what you're doing and it makes doing digital art more like traditional art.

Art in Flash is different, it seems to inspire (in me at least) a more simple style, somewhat cartoony, with basic shading. I do like drawing in flash and my Flash artwork is more akin to what I usually do with acrylics/markers/pens/chalk/watercolor/whatev er.

Art the traditional way is much more messy, I like painting with my fingers sometimes, mixing different media, adding texture with thick coats of paint. I destroy quite a bit of what I create when I'm feeling extra depressed. Traditional artwork also takes a lot more out of me, in a somewhat cathartic way, it brings up a lot of emotions and shit to fuel the piece. When I'm done I feel different and I usually like what I've done for a month or so before I either decide to keep it around, slice it up or paint over it.

I feel more comfortable with traditional art than I do with digital art. It's harder to get started on a digital piece for some reason and it's more frustrating when I muck it up like I always do.

Anywary both are good options and I've been doing both for as long as I can remember (yay for the paint program from the original Macintosh computer).

..::grammar::..

I try to be coherent when I'm on the internet with e-mail, IM's, and forum posting. I look up words that I think I may have spelled wrong and it takes me awhile to organize what I want to say in my head before typing it out so that it makes some kind of sense. It takes me longer to post than other people for these reasons.

I don't really mind other people's misspellings and grammar so long as I can make sense of it without thinking too hard. Then again, there are times when I want to kick someone in the shin if it's barely legible and contains internet abbreviations that I don't know.

Grammar

I've always been one to try to type correctly when I do. Even on a forum correct grammar's my writing of choice. I know it's not possible to be perfect all of the time, but it's hard not to when your 8th grade teacher yells at you every time you say "So, so, and me".

Like Atomic-Noodle said, it's a lot quicker. Nobody wants to type out a whole sentence if nobody cares (unless your me). A ton of people don't even KNOW how to use correct grammar. It's sad, but it's true. Just try to correct them every once in a while, tell them to pick up their English books and check if it's right. Sooner or later, they'll be typing like an MIT Professor on speed.

wait- what?

At 7/14/07 07:44 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: When I do digital artwork, in Photoshop, I often limit myself about things like not using ctrl + z, not using layers, sticking to certain color palettes and limit myself to one brush. I find that having boundaries like these bring out creativity, makes you think more about what you're doing and it makes doing digital art more like traditional art.

Bingo! I agree completely. A lot of people think that a tablet and Photoshop are the only things needed to make quality digital art, but in reality, a lot more than that is needed. Like BMK said, you gotta limit yourself to what tools you use or else you run the risk of dehumanizing your art (overusing filters, for example).

grammar
For some reason, I read different things on the Internet in different voices...maybe everyone does this... but when I see something written really poorly, I read it with a hick voice or something like that. I imagine the person behind a well written passage to be more intelligent and trustworthy. Most of the mods on NG write using pretty good grammar, and I think that's one of the reasons we respect them.

..::grammar::..

According to my anonymous sources jmtb02's rant has one grammatical error..!?

Either that or Microsoft Office sucks.

At 7/14/07 08:18 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: ..::grammar::..

According to my anonymous sources jmtb02's rant has one grammatical error..!?

Either that or Microsoft Office sucks.

Wait, they suggest that it should be,
As nit-picking at this can am

Well, I'm not from the UK so maybe I'm wrong but that doesn't sound right.

At 7/14/07 08:05 PM, mynamewontfitin wrote: stuff

Btw, I checked your site, pxlgfx.com, out and found this on the bottom of the start page.
Thought you should know.

Grammar

Until someone actively corrects everything I write on the internet my grammar will not change when in an informal setting. Of course my grammar is terrible even when I'm actively thinking about it... Although it is better =D.

I never re-read posts, I kinda figure whatever I'm saying people will understand it, I don't write that terribly.
Honestly, who the fuck cares about grammar on "teh int3rw3b5"

I write terribly on AIM though its all

wat u do'n 2nite?
wats^

everything i write is abreviated in IM's

At 7/14/07 06:17 PM, patu1 wrote: i am back

Oh shit, not again.

Grammar
I support proper grammar on the internet. It show's who can and can't be mature.

Burnt
Okay, I was at work yesterday (kfc). And I finished toasting a twister. Then the twister toaster fell on my hand, burning right through my glove. I now have a nice big burn mark on my hand, it's very painful. Whats the worst injury you've had?

Not saying thats my worst, but it still hurts.

At 7/14/07 09:03 PM, GuyWithHisComp wrote:
Wait, they suggest that it should be,
As nit-picking at this can am

Well, I'm not from the UK so maybe I'm wrong but that doesn't sound right.

Makes no sense to me, but I didn't write it or take the screenshot... I don't even have MS Office. =P
I got it from an anonymous source...

Grammar

Im very tolerant of bad grammar.. i think the internet is made for getting information fast and if theres shortcuts, it should be welcomed not shunned.

what i DO hate is like 'l33t' talk and trendy things that actually hinder you being able to read things fast.. thats just plain stupid and the equivalent of nerd gangs... and gangs suck anyways and to even think of a 'nerd gang' is like uber suck.
So yeah convenience is the heart of the internet... you want proper grammar hang out in english class all day. BAI.

RE: Worst Injury

hernia. felt like a small man was standing on my balls. thats all i really remember about it. i almost passed out from the pain.