At 7/1/07 03:07 PM, Battered-Prawn wrote:

At 7/1/07 03:05 PM, atomic-noodle wrote: NG Downtime

Was I the only that was half-expecting the redesign launch?

Yes, the re-design will come, just dont get your hoppes up of it coming up anytime soon.
i estimate before 08, but after october...ish

Nah. I'm sure its gunna be a lot sooner than that.

Stolen Flash

Can people tell me what the difference is between ebaumsworld and all the other flash game sites... I'm thinking of starting a game site soon and want to know how to be on the right side of things. I mean, does ebaum claim that he made the games?

Errors!!!

I know, they're pretty bad...

Stolen Flash :O

At 7/1/07 03:10 PM, crushy wrote: Stolen Flash

Can people tell me what the difference is between ebaumsworld and all the other flash game sites... I'm thinking of starting a game site soon and want to know how to be on the right side of things. I mean, does ebaum claim that he made the games?

eBaums steals and discredits the authors and if they ignore if you ask them to take it off.

RE: Stolen Flash

At 7/1/07 02:22 PM, atomic-noodle wrote: The only reason i would care if my flash was stolen is if the thief is not giving me credit, or mentions himself as the author, etc or if the thief is making money off it. Otherwise, its just more exposure from as far as i can tell.

They're always making money out of it. That's how ad revenue works. You think you can't make that much money out of a website? You should see some of these places - ads left, right and centre, not to mention the spyware. Newgrounds is incredibly well held back by comparison.

Personally, I hate any content stealing sites. For my last game, out of 89 hosts (according to MochiBot), two bothered to contact me, one was my sponsor, and two were sites to which I submitted it. If you allow for a few distributed by the sponsor, that leaves something like 90% of them as total, shameless thieves.

The sad fact is that one author can't do much about it. These sites have hundreds of games stolen each month, so all that demanding that each one remove my games would result in would be a lot of time spent writing e-mails and the loss of whatever traffic I'm getting from them. Unless a large proportion of the authors the sites steal from get together and demand their works removed, all that individuals can really do is sit back and be thankful that they had the forward planning to stick a load of links to their websites in the submissions.

Aye, none of you punks answered me, but I figured it out its just a discount through provantage...

and yeah I half expected the redesign, I do that everytime...its dissapointing...

At 7/1/07 03:05 PM, atomic-noodle wrote: NG Downtime

Was I the only that was half-expecting the redesign launch?

I was half-expecting it too -- just refresh the page and BAM! Newgrounds changes.
But, that won't happen for a long while now. :(

Stolen Flash
Ugh, I hate thieves. It's why ebaum's has a bad reputation now. I remember some of my friends talking about it and how awesome it was, and how this friend who goes to NG and I were trying to convince them that "Ebaum sucks, it steals everything" But, that never works. :(

If you're making a site, I suggest a good way to gain a good rep with developers is to find a way to contact them and ask if they will allow you to host their game on your site. Since very few sites actually do that nowadays, I think it'll make your site stand out from the rest of them.

Ebaums Still in a Issue?
People are still giving Ebaums a hard time? Gawd. Move on people.

Since Newgrounds stirred up shit, Ebaums turned to a "only user submitted and user permitted" site. So in reality, currently Ebaums is better than half the gaming websites out there (OMG NO WAI), but I think everyone will fail to see past that. If a bank robber turned to a legitimate job instead of crime, people would congratulate him, but oh well, its the internet. Yeah, what they did was terrible, but I think people still fail to realize that there are at least a 100 other illegitimate websites doing this, doing worse things than Ebaums ever did. It's just the mob mentality that kicked in.

What about the people selling your flash on ebay? What about the websites that actually decompile your files for high score rankings? And what about the slimy website owners that will do anything to smash their competition? Instead of sitting in the past with Ebaums, we need to all just move on.

Or better yet, if you need a mob mentality, go with making the Flash community better, instead of causing drama by singling out the worst.

At 7/1/07 03:34 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Ebaums Still in a Issue?
People are still giving Ebaums a hard time? Gawd. Move on people.

Yeah well it was a big deal, and then people never looked back so nothing changed their thoughts about ebaumsworld. And that song was really catchy...

What about the people selling your flash on ebay? What about the websites that actually decompile your files for high score rankings? And what about the slimy website owners that will do anything to smash their competition? Instead of sitting in the past with Ebaums, we need to all just move on.

Yeah that all sucks a lot, its sad that people will buy flash on ebay, and that conversation is stupid, funny but stupid. I know a steven taylor...wierd, i doubt its the same guy though.

At 7/1/07 03:10 PM, crushy wrote: Stolen Flash

Can people tell me what the difference is between ebaumsworld and all the other flash game sites... I'm thinking of starting a game site soon and want to know how to be on the right side of things. I mean, does ebaum claim that he made the games?

Yeah I wanted to have a site with numerous flashes on it, but I'd like to get on the good side of the developers from flashTV.

Downtime

I seriously thought the re-design was coming right after that. Too bad : (

RE: Ebaums still an issue?

As far as I noticed, three people made a passing reference to it in their posts. It's seen as a big representation of all that's wrong with content stealing sites, anyway. I'm a little behind on my research, but if what you say about their current policy is true then we probably should stop using it as a synonym for content stealing.

You know by any chance if they've made an official apology? If they did, we'd all be cool as far as I'm concerned.

At 7/1/07 03:34 PM, jmtb02 wrote: What about the people selling your flash on ebay? What about the websites that actually decompile your files for high score rankings? And what about the slimy website owners that will do anything to smash their competition? Instead of sitting in the past with Ebaums, we need to all just move on.

Gutspiller2 (2:57:37 PM): Games For Work adds 10 games every weekday.

lol, that's a classic.

Stolen Flash
Have you or a friend ever had a personal experience with flash being stolen?

I'm talking to everyone

Mochibots

Well we might aswell see who the main culprits are :D

Defcon : Minus

Blinding Lines

Share your stats people...

RE: Ebaums Still in a Issue

The problem with the whole Ebaumsworld issue is that everyone stopped thinking for themselves and jumped on the bandwagon.

The only people who should be judging whether Ebaumsworld hurt authors is the people who actually had their content stolen/put on Ebaumsworld, which is probably .0001% of the people who get in with the whole bandwagon.

It started because a kid released a movie without any links to his site, credits, sponsorship, etc. That's simply what I call bad parenting. Just because it's on the computer doesn't mean his parents shouldn't have stepped in and said "hey, maybe you should get some links in this to your site and give yourself some credit."

And then everyone jumps on Ebaumsworld for offering him money... Did the 1,000 other sites that used it without permission offer him money? Of course not.

I would say about 95% of the Flash developers who actually get a game on Ebaumsworld (which is very, very, very few) would agree that it is a blessing if you set the Flash up right. If you have a link to your site in your Flash and it gets on Ebaumsworld, you're guaranteed a very nice traffic slow for a very nice amount of time. Ebaumsworld is still one of the top refferers to my site and the game that I got on there was posted over a year ago.

So, the only people who should be issuing public apologies are the people who gave Ebaumsworld a bad name. If you want to look at it the WORST way you possibly can, then you can say they are like every other Flash game site on the net.

One last thing, with this user-generated content thing on Ebaumsworld, Flash developers who make games and link to their site and rely on spreading their games should be very, very upset right now. Ebaumsworld rarely posts Flash games anymore.

Mochibots
For a while it got over 200,000 views/day, and it has been played more than 8,000,000 times: PacMan Platform 2 stats ;)

how many sites did you submit it to.

The Song Art Project
I just started a little ish collab. I think its a good idea.. http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=72 7777

Whadda ya think?

At 7/1/07 05:52 PM, Saza wrote: The Song Art Project
I just started a little ish collab. I think its a good idea.. http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=72 7777

Whadda ya think?

Nice idea, could definiatly create some flowing creativity :D

At 7/1/07 05:52 PM, Saza wrote: The Song Art Project
I just started a little ish collab. I think its a good idea.. http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=72 7777

Whadda ya think?

You need to post a picture when opening a thread in art. Either post a pic or if you want to start a new one with picture I can delete the old one.

At 7/1/07 05:28 PM, azwsxdcrfv wrote: how many sites did you submit it to.

Not many at all, it got front page here on NG and after that it appeared on flash sites everywhere. If only I had a website so I could've linked to it in the flash.. :P

RE: Ebaums still an issue

At 7/1/07 05:14 PM, DFox wrote: It started because a kid released a movie without any links to his site, credits, sponsorship, etc. That's simply what I call bad parenting. Just because it's on the computer doesn't mean his parents shouldn't have stepped in and said "hey, maybe you should get some links in this to your site and give yourself some credit."

And then everyone jumps on Ebaumsworld for offering him money... Did the 1,000 other sites that used it without permission offer him money? Of course not.

I would say about 95% of the Flash developers who actually get a game on Ebaumsworld (which is very, very, very few) would agree that it is a blessing if you set the Flash up right. If you have a link to your site in your Flash and it gets on Ebaumsworld, you're guaranteed a very nice traffic slow for a very nice amount of time. Ebaumsworld is still one of the top refferers to my site and the game that I got on there was posted over a year ago.

So, the only people who should be issuing public apologies are the people who gave Ebaumsworld a bad name.

I agree about the whole eBaums thing turning into a bandwagon with people who really have little relation to actually creating Flash, and there are plenty of similar, and recently, worse sites, so singling them out not longer makes much sense, but these sites as a good thing? Nope. I'm not buying it.

I have no doubt that there are benefits for Flash authors in getting as much distribution as possible - hell, I've experienced them too - but that doesn't mean that we have to abandon whatever sense of justice we have and actually try to support them. Do content stealing sites care that you're benefiting slightly? It's doubtful. Even if they did, it clearly wasn't enough to so much as send you an e-mail informing you of what was going on with your game. Whatever good may come to you as an author is entirely accidental.

Should authors be expected to layer links to their websites all over their work? No way. That's something you learn to do as you gain experience. If you were a new author with little experience on viral spreading of Flash content, could you really be expected to assume that some fucker would rip it and stick it on a page with eighteen banner ads and four popups with out so much as sending you some contact information? Or would you just assume that people would see you credited at the site you submitted to? The only reason that content stealing sites are seen as acceptable and inevitable is because we have allowed them to be so; we've accepted them.

Now, as an author you probably want to see your work viewed as much as possible. But just stop for a second and look at the current state of affairs. Hundereds, if not thousands, of sites; all almost identical; all featuring exactly the same content; all competing for ad revenue and every single one representing a fraction of the viewing public. They advertise 'ten new games added every weekday', achieving this by simply ripping ten games off from each other and the small percentage of sites which actually ask for permission or only accept content submitted by its creator. Is this really the ideal state of affairs? Is it even close?

It's not realistic to expect sites with their cynical 'ten a day' quotas to ask for permission for every single game they host, even if it's nice to think that maybe the people who actually put work into Flash could be in control, but damnit, even an e-mail along the lines of 'we are hosting x at y.com. If you have any objections to our hosting, send us a message and we will remove it promptly' would be acceptable. Even a goddamn autoamated message. Is that too much to ask? Ten automated messages a day? Is that too much to ask of someone?

If you don't want your inbox flooded, you should be leaving some mark on your submissions for free distribution. That's cool. If you're wanting to see your submission spread as much as possible, that's up to you. Hell, I'll be the first to use one. But don't assume for one second that shameless, cold, uncaring stealing of content is somehow the default state of affairs. There is no way that stealing without any indication of the author's wishes can possibly be considered 'a good thing'.

Content stealing may be very much a part of the internet - it may well be something that more experienced authors have learned to deal with, but don't for one second claim that it's somehow right or acceptable. There's a clear line between what's realistic and what's acceptable.

RE: Ebaums still an issue

At 7/1/07 06:12 PM, Paranoia wrote: Content stealing may be very much a part of the internet - it may well be something that more experienced authors have learned to deal with, but don't for one second claim that it's somehow right or acceptable. There's a clear line between what's realistic and what's acceptable.

I agree with a lot of the points you made. Stealing games is obviously wrong, but I don't see how anyone can not see a way to profit off these people. Even newcomers should do a little research before publishing games. I mean they've played Flash games before... They have to be aware of what they've seen and at least know some of their options just from playing games.

RE: Ebaums still an issue

At 7/1/07 06:31 PM, DFox wrote: I agree with a lot of the points you made. Stealing games is obviously wrong, but I don't see how anyone can not see a way to profit off these people. Even newcomers should do a little research before publishing games. I mean they've played Flash games before... They have to be aware of what they've seen and at least know some of their options just from playing games.

They may well have the chance to be aware of the opportunities they have, but then again they may not. Either way there's no reason that anyone should expect them to be. The Flash scene should be all about the developers - not about sites cock slapping each other to try and get the maximum ad revenue while seeing developers as little more than Flash producing robots to be stolen from whenever it suits the hosts.

RE: Ebaums still an issue

At 7/1/07 06:35 PM, Paranoia wrote: They may well have the chance to be aware of the opportunities they have, but then again they may not. Either way there's no reason that anyone should expect them to be. The Flash scene should be all about the developers - not about sites cock slapping each other to try and get the maximum ad revenue while seeing developers as little more than Flash producing robots to be stolen from whenever it suits the hosts.

I agree 100%... All I'm getting at is this isn't the perfect world. Sites steal content. Until someone steps up and finds a way to stop it, people need to take advantage of it. In the ideal world sites would ask permission, so the people who wanted their content on other sites would get it on other sites and the people who didn't would simply be able to say no. So we can either say let's not even try to benefit off the content stealing because of principle, or we can at least make money off the unfortunate thing going on. I mean no one would ever dispute that fact that it would benefit EVERYONE if sites asked permission, because even people like me who like my content on other sites would still get it on the other sites...

RE: Flash Stealing
I only originally submitted Exorbis to Newgrounds, within a week it was on more than 50 different sites, and only 2 or 3 of them asked. I was kind of annoyed at first, but then I realised I don't really care, it's not like I'm losing anything, I already had my bag of money from the sponsor... I also noticed half of the sites were non-English, which I thought was kind of cool, that everyone can understand my game even if they can't neccessarily read the instructions.

Does anyone know if Hallpass.com is user-submitted content? Because if that's so, then someone took credit for my work, and that's the only site I'd be annoyed with...

Unititled
I just wrote, like, 200 lines of Actionscript, and I cannae get it to work :(

At 7/1/07 06:55 PM, edit-undo wrote: RE: Flash Stealing

Does anyone know if Hallpass.com is user-submitted content? Because if that's so, then someone took credit for my work, and that's the only site I'd be annoyed with...

Because they sponsored one of my flashes I had to upload it then they would feature it, but I had to upload it first.

I would think someone stole it, but I can tell you that HallPass are very trustworthy, and I'm 99% percent sure they were'nt involved.

..::Sonx::..

At 7/1/07 06:54 PM, Edvin wrote: wtf?
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=72 7621

Sonx is fine, he's just waiting for his epic 9,000th post.

At 7/1/07 07:02 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: ..::Sonx::..

At 7/1/07 06:54 PM, Edvin wrote: wtf?
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=72 7621

Sonx is fine, he's just waiting for his epic 9,000th post.

I think a mod should delete a random post of his so we can clarify he's alife as well as keeping his dignety(sp?)

RE: Sonx

At 7/1/07 07:05 PM, crushy wrote: I think a mod should delete a random post of his so we can clarify he's alife as well as keeping his dignety(sp?)

*gasp!* A mod would never abuse their power in such a way....

Although, we should totally ban him after his 9000th post. lol, no stat threads >:)

At 7/1/07 07:08 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote:
Although, we should totally ban him after his 9000th post. lol, no stat threads >:)

Heh, ruining his moment is vital

MY BIRTHDAY IS SOON LOL

just saying... i completely forgot when i was more active, these forums made my day, which was being so crappy... i think i need my NG BBS fix again :)