At 10/18/06 05:19 PM, Depredation wrote: New Topic!

Allright, abit of a controversial topic here. Do you think that sites that take games and don't credit the athors until they are contacted are bad? Or do you think it's allright aslong as they credit if the author wishes?

Also, have you ever had one of your flashes stolen :O.

I have :(.

tts theft basically. no other words for it. Just because it's digital doesnt make it any less worse. Sites like ebaumsworld deserve to be sued for millions of dollars since they basically generate alot of money on stolen flash. If they really want to showcase flash they should do it like armorgames and pay the authors or at least ask permission. It pisses me off so much when big sites use content without permission, even if its not my own. And yeah my flash has been stolen too quite some times

At 10/18/06 06:11 PM, 23450 wrote: now with all seriousnes, what do you think is highly overrated?

Probably Madness. Not thats it bad, its just always overrated. I mean just seeing a Madness movie makes people immeateadly(?) vote 5 on it, disregarding anything else(Except maybe the violence), insuring it a daily feature and weekly first.

At 10/18/06 07:03 PM, Masterswordman wrote: Probably Madness. Not thats it bad, its just always overrated. I mean just seeing a Madness movie makes people immeateadly(?) vote 5 on it, disregarding anything else(Except maybe the violence), insuring it a daily feature and weekly first.

i thought it was a good series up until the newest one that just came out. i only 3'd it. I was very dissapointed. I can deafinantly see why you would not like madness, but the thing that i liked is Krinkles made an effort to make it better and better with every installment, minus the newest one that was not as good as the last, and brung nothing new to anything really.

At 10/18/06 05:21 PM, fuzz wrote: I think its mainly good so long as you have a link to your website. More hits to your site. This gets you more ad clicks etc. So mainly good but if they decompile you flash and remove any credit then its bad D:

On that note, I've been talking to Google about placing adsense ads inside flash files (by using php to read html versions and sending the info to flash), and sadly it's against their rules - although initially they weren't sure if it was.

I guess we'll just have to stick to good old-fashioned site links

Tom~

At 10/18/06 07:08 PM, The-Super-Flash-Bros wrote: On that note, I've been talking to Google about placing adsense ads inside flash files (by using php to read html versions and sending the info to flash), and sadly it's against their rules - although initially they weren't sure if it was.

I think you'll be very happy to hear that I have talked to Adbrite and they have an in-flash advertising service in the works :)

At 10/18/06 07:08 PM, The-Super-Flash-Bros wrote: On that note, I've been talking to Google about placing adsense ads inside flash files (by using php to read html versions and sending the info to flash), and sadly it's against their rules - although initially they weren't sure if it was.

what rule is that exacly? Something direct, like we cant put ads in flash files, or some loophole that does not allow them to do it...do you know exacly?

At 10/18/06 07:11 PM, 23450 wrote: what rule is that exacly? Something direct, like we cant put ads in flash files, or some loophole that does not allow them to do it...do you know exacly?

Quote from their email back to me:

Hi Tom,

Mona passed along your message to me and I'll be happy to help you
further. We kindly ask that you refrain from using our ad code in the
manner that you've described. For your reference, publishers are not
permitted to alter the behavior or targeting of Google ads. This includes
implementing the AdSense ad code in they way that you mentioned.

Thanks for your cooperation!

For additional questions, I'd encourage you to visit the AdSense Help
Center (http://www.google.com/adsense_help), our complete resource center
for all AdSense topics. Alternatively, feel free to post your question on
the forum just for AdSense publishers: the AdSense Help Group
(http://groups.google..m/group/adsense-hel
p).

Sincerely,

Christina
The Google AdSense Team

They were really friendly actually, I was supprised at how nice they were about it! I even got this back after I replied thanking them for their help:

Hi Tom,

You're welcome! We're always happy to help so please don't hesitate to let
us know if you have any other questions or concerns in the future.

Sincerely,

Christina

Nice!

Tom~

At 10/18/06 07:16 PM, The-Super-Flash-Bros wrote: For your reference, publishers are not
permitted to alter the behavior or targeting of Google ads. This includes
implementing the AdSense ad code in they way that you mentioned.

Alter the behavior or targeting??? some supid loophole that i dont understand....oh wells.

they do sound like nice people. they dont give you the cold shoulder like eBaums world does when people e-mail them.....

i still cant believe they bought YouTube for over a billion dollars. i didn't think those companys had THAT much money to throw around.

At 10/18/06 05:35 PM, fuzz wrote: hmm.. well he doesnt check his emails often either. Infact less than he's online. Neashir if you see this <3 you but please get online :D
If you see him post tell him to look at his inbox xD

I will. I used to see him everyday a while back, nowadays he's barely ever on MSN. Do you think he could've gotten a... a... life?

dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuuun.

At 10/18/06 07:20 PM, 23450 wrote: i still cant believe they bought YouTube for over a billion dollars. i didn't think those companys had THAT much money to throw around.

Californian .com businesses that DIDN'T go bust DO have that money to hurl around. It's that worrying. San Fran was the center of that little fad in the nineties, and it made a lot of people very rich (assuming they didn't crash and burn when the dotCom bubble burst).

Google's the paragon of that kind of company.

As for not messing with thier code, it's understandable. You're not meant to play with thier code, even if in the process you do something incredible with it. They'd end up being liable, losing money, and then blame you but still not be able to recoup costs if they actually aencouraged you to play with it. Least this way they're allowed to sue people for messing about with thier stuff.

Best just stick to sneaky ninja tricks with your code, like hiding URL checkers within movement functions where no one will look for them when they decompile it, and using ASNative() functions as backdoors to stop them searching for it

From the book of Low Blows, Dirty Tricks, and Making Flash Thieves Your Bitch, by Kayn Slamdyke (Publisher Pending, retail price approx £13.99)

At 10/18/06 06:11 PM, 23450 wrote: i for one dont like the Thing-thing series. Its insanely simple to script, very surface level gameplay (identical in all the games as well), and while the graphics do look nice, the Rayman characters just lower thing to the level of all those madness tributed we all know to well.

I can't agree more. And what bothers me most, Is that i'm pretty sure he just adds new weapons, uses the same old code, adds different levels, new menu and new name, and voila! "New" game out. Grrr.

Madness was good, the madness game was amazing. But the last instalment was complete crap. D: Meh. LF, again, is completely overrated... I mean, he doesnt even ANIMATE his own movies anymore.

At 10/18/06 07:25 PM, Blaze wrote: I will. I used to see him everyday a while back, nowadays he's barely ever on MSN. Do you think he could've gotten a... a... life?

dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuuun.

How dare I :O
I couldn't pass up that deal though, I mean, 5 bucks on EBay. What a bargain :D

At 10/18/06 07:31 PM, Blaze wrote: I mean, he doesnt even ANIMATE his own movies anymore.

Lol, yeah, I know all about that one...

My opinion is this: Us flash artists have, until very recently with the advent of sponsors and prizes, been making flash FOR FREE for the NG public to enjoy FOR FREE. Therefore they don't get to bitch about what they do and don't like - or at least if they do, we won't listen. Dim and I have always made movies and games for the simple joy of having others enjoy our work. With our current game, we hadn't even thought about sponsorship until Dustball asked about it.

Tom~

At 10/18/06 07:41 PM, The-Super-Flash-Bros wrote: Lol, yeah, I know all about that one...

My opinion is this: Us flash artists have, until very recently with the advent of sponsors and prizes, been making flash FOR FREE for the NG public to enjoy FOR FREE. Therefore they don't get to bitch about what they do and don't like - or at least if they do, we won't listen. Dim and I have always made movies and games for the simple joy of having others enjoy our work. With our current game, we hadn't even thought about sponsorship until Dustball asked about it.

Tom~

Sure, i still animate all the movies ive done only for the fun of having the users enjoy what i do. But, LF gains a LOT of traffic to his own site, right? Which gives him money through ads, etc. I remember HE was the one that made me want to make flash, after i watched his first LoTR flash, i was completely in love. I owe starting flash to LF actually... :P

At 10/18/06 07:41 PM, The-Super-Flash-Bros wrote: With our current game, we hadn't even thought about sponsorship until Dustball asked about it.

I've never properly thought about Sponsorship. An email or two between me and Inglor's been the most that's ever happened. And I'm probably not going to get any of my future work sponsored either, either because it'll be already based on already existing brands (which I already have clearance for, and it's not like it's anything major), or won't qualify for any of the themed competitions / requirements some sponsors have running.

Now that NG's become a real business and people are taking this far more seriously, I might really need to change that. Especially since I actually want to get a job out of this kindathing...

Am I allowed to upload screenshots of the demo I've got yet? How about ones where the faces are distorted to protect the identities of the characters? ;p

At 10/18/06 07:46 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote:

Am I allowed to upload screenshots of the demo I've got yet? How about ones where the faces are distorted to protect the identities of the characters? ;p

No!

Yes you can, but you'd better make them awesome shots! I like the snow in particular...

At 10/18/06 07:20 PM, 23450 wrote: they do sound like nice people. they dont give you the cold shoulder like eBaums world does when people e-mail them.....

Sometimes it's worse. Google can talk really nicely to you and fuck you up the ass at the same time.

They suspected me of trying to cheat with my google ads because my retard friend clicked them like 500 times, and they took away my account. I e-mailed them asking if I could please have it back and that it was just my stupid friend, but they replied back with some overly nice message saying essentially that they didn't believe me and too bad.

i wood leik 2 jowin pls

At 10/18/06 07:49 PM, The-Super-Flash-Bros wrote:

Yes you can, but you'd better make them awesome shots! I like the snow in particular...

So this one would qualify then?

At 10/18/06 08:00 PM, Starogre wrote: i wood leik 2 jowin pls

kudos on your wacom. Bastard.

<3

BTW, Tom, the game looks really nice... I can't wait to see this finished. Great going, love the graphics as usual.

At 10/18/06 08:01 PM, Blaze wrote:

At 10/18/06 08:00 PM, Starogre wrote: i wood leik 2 jowin pls

kudos on your wacom. Bastard.

<3

BTW, Tom, the game looks really nice... I can't wait to see this finished. Great going, love the graphics as usual.

ditto on every part of your post.

I can not express how awesome this game is with only 500 x 400 pixels to upload with...

Last one. Tom can have his thunder back now...

At 10/18/06 08:00 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote:

At 10/18/06 07:49 PM, The-Super-Flash-Bros wrote:

Yes you can, but you'd better make them awesome shots! I like the snow in particular...

So this one would qualify then?

Fucking hell.

Awesome stuff. Love the soft tones.

Reminds me of some of Ferry Halim's stuff (though coming from you guys, I'll expect a bit more depth;)).

Aw man, i always thought the another day series was the best work by you guys and those game screenies look like they will fit the mood of the series perfectly. It already looks like it will be fun to play, reminds me a bit of a game i played at my couzins place. Beyond good and evil it was called i think, with the camera and the interface. Looking forward to it Tom!

Ah man, those pictures are pretty. I can't wait until Sunday now! So how many hours of gameplay to you estimate?

At 10/18/06 08:39 PM, DingoEatingFuzz wrote: Ah man, those pictures are pretty. I can't wait until Sunday now! So how many hours of gameplay to you estimate?

I'd say "Wow" but that would practically be an insult. I'm speechless.

At 10/18/06 08:01 PM, Blaze wrote:

At 10/18/06 08:00 PM, Starogre wrote: i wood leik 2 jowin pls

kudos on your wacom. Bastard.

<3

lmao

Flash bros, your game looks like pokemon snap on n64

At 10/18/06 09:10 PM, Starogre wrote: Flash bros, your game looks like pokemon snap on n64

goddam i loved that game so very much. so very very much.

Me too, i remember playing on my friends' yellow pikachu controller specifically out for pokemon snap. I have it on an n64 emulator because the cartridge on the n64 is like dusty and broken. I tried starting a new game on the rom but i realized all you do is ride a cart and capture pictures. Maybe i didnt play long enough, or maybe it was only fascinating 9 years ago?

At 9/28/06 12:03 PM, Luis wrote: Well one thing we could discuss that i've always wondered is how people feel they fit into the flash scene.. both in the present and future... is it something you are definately looking to persue professionally? is it just a hobby? Or maybe you've already outgrown it and now just see yourself as just a viewer rather than developer.

-L

Hmm, I think im 44 pages late on this one but what the hell! I've got adds on my website that make out $8 a month, so basically I'm counting on that to slowly increase as I make more stuff, and by the time I'm ____ years old and I need the dough that the website isn't raking in, I can't do it, but if I'm making enough, I will. Wish me luck :)