At 2/12/07 12:54 PM, ArthurGhostly wrote:

At 2/12/07 12:48 PM, Lord-Sonx wrote: there's animations on newgorunds that are better than the animation int he simpsons.

That's because the majority of people on newgrounds animate because they enjoy it - where time and money isn't a factor. But it is for shows like the simpsons, so they cut corners where ever they can.

Given the same amont of time and money issues, most people on NG would be able to make somehtign much better than an episode of the simpsons < c'mon,t hats not hard is it?

At 2/12/07 01:00 PM, Lord-Sonx wrote: Given the same amont of time and money issues, most people on NG would be able to make somehtign much better than an episode of the simpsons < c'mon,t hats not hard is it?

So could the people behind the simpsons, if they were to spend more time on it, but I guess they have very harsh timeframes to keep to.

well i had a nice idea in my head that i know won't come true but think about if there
will be a seris made by ng animaors like easy stuff for good animtors and the hard
stuff for thery goood one's that will be awasome =]

and he only cartoon that his good that i see around is kids next door

It's nice that you're having 'ideas', meaning that you can actually think some, but you might want to consider that the people with the ability have ideas of the level of quality too.

Cartoons, Declining...

The problem today is also contributed by Flash (irony) pretty every cartoon (o rather every new cartoon) is made from flash, it has that total vector look and you can tell where they've tweened. Becuase its cheaper. Of course animation like Doodlez is made in flash and is really awsome. I especialy hate these french canadian cartoons (mostly the shorts cuz they're in french so they have no voices or really gay grunts) because nothing is cool anymore nor is there any good animation.

Probably one of the most expensive cartoons to date would have to be Justice League Unlimited. Why? Compare the fight scenes in Justice league to every freakin other cartoon out there. Their amazing fight scenes, hardly any tricks used to simulate the movement (Dragon ball z was all trick animation to simulate the fighting, their super fast punches couldn't be seen lol) I watched it the other night, and the fight scene lasted a good 3-6 minutes too, never slowing down, and then there have been waaay bigger fight scenes. Plus the art itself isn't too bad. I still favour looney toons (classic ones... golden days) and the second version of the Spider-Man cartoon from the 90s. THAT, was animation. Now we have all kinds of crap out there because its just cheaper.

RE: Animation decline

i really hate watching those shows, because the animation is no better then say, the decline series. Just a bunch of tweens and slight FBF, which is great for decline, but for a television show? fuck no.

And yah, that second spiderman show in the 90's was great. Watched it all the time. And you cant forget shows like Pinky and the Brain, Dextors Lab, and ofcourse Sticken'around (lol's).

Re: Get out MD and JR

Hey, I'm trying to get in the swing of things here. I actually want to improve on my flash skills. I'm trying to become more accustumed to the flash forum, so I thought I may as well start here.

So, I really want to improve on my flash skills. I always think of good ideas, but when I start animating them, they come out nothing like I expected.

And speaking of flash, happy valentines day Mogly. <3

At 2/12/07 05:41 PM, ArthurGhostly wrote:

At 2/12/07 05:29 PM, MetalDart wrote: And speaking of flash, happy valentines day Mogly. <3

5'd

Pissing about
Yeah!

Kool i think that it would be cool to add a roll_out event so that when you rollout you have a clip of you going back to your normal pose. It would be nice and seamless

Valentine's Day.

Did I already bring up this topic?

Anyway, what are your thoughts on Valentine's Day. Do you find it a real good time to express your love, or a stupid holiday designed to sell candy? Also, do you have a date? Going to a dance?

And what about Flash-related things. Any good animations or games coming out for it you'd like to express? (Can't wait for the Valentine's Day Massacre collab. Looks neat.)

Valentines day

At 2/12/07 06:05 PM, Masterswordman wrote: Anyway, what are your thoughts on Valentine's Day. Do you find it a real good time to express your love, or a stupid holiday designed to sell candy? Also, do you have a date? Going to a dance?

Valentines day can either be good or depressing. There's no "alright" valentines days. Either you got a date and you're happy or you haven't and you start hating the day and say it's just a way for shops to get more money.

This year i'm spending the day with some friends seeing as i have no one else to spend it with :(

However the day after i'm going out with a girl just as "friends" for the moment, but i'm trying my best.

Re: Valentines Day

I dont really care about Valentines day. If you love someone, you should treat them to special things without a holiday to tell you too. And, im dateless :P and theres no "dances" on.

Im just finishing off a very quick game, but not to do with valentines day. Lets just say it involes eyes and hawt sawse

Reeds hot sauce ;D

RE: Valentines Day

I hate Valentines day, and I have a date. Paradox?

I just think it's too much work and it makes things feel wierd.

Is newgrounds entering a depression of sorts?

Does anyone else seem to notice this?

Members are slowly leaving or taking extended breaks from the forums, and although some have come back (i see denvish around here a little more) it still seems like the regs are dropping again. I remember back to the days when it was liam (heck even back to when liam was DEADSiM) and inglor and denvish and ninja chicken were the common regs around this place, then they slowly stopped posting here as much. And people started to complain then about it, but some new regs filled the gap. And now it's happening again.

But aside from that, which is just a minor part of newgrounds, it seems the overall quality of the flashes are declining. Last year, for much of the year, it was difficult to even get a daily 5th because of all the competition. There were many days where all 5 of the top 5 were over 4 in the scores. Many weeks with the weekly top 5 all over 4.3. But now, where did all the challenge go? It's a prime time to submit if you're looking for racking up awards because it's so much easier now. Heck, paths 2 got a daily feature, and it only had around a 4 when the day was over.
Does any else notice this or is it just me?

At 2/12/07 06:28 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Does any else notice this or is it just me?

I've seen a couple daily firsts with a score of 3.8 or lower lately. Though, most of the time theres at least a 4.0+ scoring submission each day.

At 2/12/07 06:28 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Is newgrounds entering a depression of sorts?

Yeah its sad really, for awhile now most dailys are low scoring, I think there was one feature that was like 3.4 or something, 3.5, pitiful. We might see an uprising again going into march, but if it doesn't happen soon I doubt it'll happen. I could just be that sweet flash and game authors are all coincidentally working on movies or games that are really good right now, or newgrounds is loosing its appeal as we get older, or something. Where are the ng theorists and phylosiphers(sp?)?

Uncalled for Nostalgia

I've seen it numerous times, people seem to act like it was so long ago that there were these people posting here. This post isn't even that old. It was formed at the end of September, which might I add is when I didn't have a computer(hence why I wasn't posting at all at the time, not that anyone cares). When you look at the fucking Newgrounds Artist Showcase Thread, it is over three years old. I've read every post for the first 700 pages or so I believe, I can't recall. Either way, stop getting all like, oh no its been so long...because it hasn't. It has been four and a half months, please got a hold of yourselves.

Now please, stop being so emo. (On an emo related note: This girl in my art class cut herself with an exacto knife and shes like "I just cut myself" and I asked if she was was depressed, and then shes claimed it was just an accident and then I called her emo. It was great.)

The Ebb and Flow of Newgrounds

Honestly, it seems every now and then Newgrounds has its natural ups and downs. I mean summer has the most submissions because people tend to have more time on their hands. Also, a lot of people submit things they used for final projects. Those two reasons explain why there is a surge around Christmas. Either way, I'd say the overall quality of work hasn't been the same since 2004. Of my 16 favorite submissions(or at least the ones I favorited) the majority were submitted in 2004. Whats left was either submitted in 2003 or 2005, more being from 2003. Tankmen is the only thing that I claimed as a favorite in 2006. When I looked at artists who I've put in my favorites list, some haven't even submitted anything in the past year, or two years, or even three years.

I'm not the only who feels this way. Look at the top 50. Of the top 10, 5 are from 2004.

At 2/12/07 04:57 PM, 23450 wrote: RE: Animation decline

i really hate watching those shows, because the animation is no better then say, the decline series. Just a bunch of tweens and slight FBF, which is great for decline, but for a television show? fuck no.

And yah, that second spiderman show in the 90's was great. Watched it all the time. And you cant forget shows like Pinky and the Brain, Dextors Lab, and ofcourse Sticken'around (lol's).

Aw man, I LOVED dexter's lab, today all toons have the same style with the characters and all, but Dexter's lab was like the first to do that, and without flash. And thats totally true about decline, these days decline is probably consider good enough for tv because the standards are so low (lols, decline is awsome!). They probably wouldn't except any brackenwood though because that would be too expensive for them.

At 2/12/07 06:28 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Does any else notice this or is it just me?

Its partly just you, I think that the flash scene itself sort of works in phases and right now its just a slow phase.. I suspect it'll get slower, i think flash just requires an insane amount of patience and determination and for some it fades away much like one gets board of skateboarding or whatever. Which is natural and part of life.

I think that some people just grow up and grow out of the forum or maybe they grow up and grow out of flash as a whole. just natural human evolution.

-L

At 2/12/07 07:01 PM, MethodMinus wrote:
I'm not the only who feels this way. Look at the top 50. Of the top 10, 5 are from 2004.

Speaking of the top 50, or the top 5, is there anyone else who thinks animator vs animation has enjoyed too much success? I'm just not a really big fan of it. It was well done with the icons and it was very creative but they're stick figures and as fun as it is i dont think it should place above some of the flash it has beat out. Then again the newgrounds voting system and the newgrounds community probably don't reflect my feelings and gradings of flashes. So if you feel the same way about this or any other flash that is well aclaimed, let me know, and if you don't, don't flame.

Well theres always a small drought, towards the summer and end of the year though alot of good flash comes. Like with the SuperFlashBros, at the end of 2006 they had alot of games comming and TSAH 3 or 2... I'm not a big halo fan, xbox has yet to earn me respect, but throughout the whole year I was getting kind of mad at them for having no new flash. Same with the perfect kirby series, how long has this perfect kirby game been in development now? For at least 2 years I think... And then I haven't seen much from luis!

At 2/12/07 07:18 PM, Shmelo wrote: And then I haven't seen much from luis!

theres a collab out with my work today !!! SHUT UP http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/363788 FREE MOVIE BUTTPLUG

At 2/12/07 07:13 PM, Coaly wrote:
Speaking of the top 50, or the top 5, is there anyone else who thinks animator vs animation has enjoyed too much success?

Definitely, I've always hated it having the top spot and I haven't been too fond of the submission itself ever since it scampered over to Newgrounds and then to seemingly to every other portal across the web.

Newgrounds Depression?

I think the same trend applies to the movie industry around this time too, people are saving they're big projects for when they have more time (summer/spring). This period has always been dry but that doesn't mean there's still not any quality submissions coming through. I noticed last year that the bar wasn't raised neccessarily in terms of quality but there were just a ton more blues/greens than I remembered before. Right now the under judgement section is blown way out of proportion too, I think lifting the "banned from portal after being blammed" thing let too many groups like the KK and stuff take advantage of submitting shitty flashes and having them barely scrape through.

I think the gap has grown much wider in terms of the quality/lack of in terms of submissions, it seems you're more likely to come across a well done submission then an inbetween one like you used to see all the time. People are just getting a little better and people have kind of anticipated that hence the higher scores. Um, I dunno if depression is the best word for it - most likely the trends are just changing once again.

Most of that was rambling...WHATEV.

At 2/12/07 07:23 PM, Luis wrote:

At 2/12/07 07:18 PM, Shmelo wrote: And then I haven't seen much from luis!

theres a collab out with my work today !!! SHUT UP http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/363788 FREE MOVIE BUTTPLUG

DAMN! the day I finally say it and you got something new right there, the second I say it. DAMN!

Anyhoo, that was pretty sick, I don't have a clue how you do some of those graphics in flash. That being said, is it all done in flash or do you use photoshop?

At 2/12/07 07:32 PM, Shmelo wrote:

At 2/12/07 07:23 PM, Luis wrote:

At 2/12/07 07:18 PM, Shmelo wrote: And then I haven't seen much from luis!

theres a collab out with my work today !!! SHUT UP http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/363788 FREE MOVIE BUTTPLUG

Anyhoo, that was pretty sick, I don't have a clue how you do some of those graphics in flash. That being said, is it all done in flash or do you use photoshop?

He made a tutorial about it, he does it in photoshop using a lot of burning and dodging.

Nice work luis, I'm a little dissapointed with the cartoonish feel of meebs part and the cliff ending, but it was cool and your animation was sweet. I like the detail, like the shining on the gun. Slow motion bullet a bit cliche and did he blink while the bullet was moving? I hope not...

I also noticed some locks from you today and I definately approve! We need moderators to jump on the topics that inevitabley and consistently crap on the forum with stupid titles, stupid topics, and stupid people.

At 2/12/07 07:23 PM, Luis wrote:

At 2/12/07 07:18 PM, Shmelo wrote: And then I haven't seen much from luis!

theres a collab out with my work today !!! SHUT UP http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/363788 FREE MOVIE BUTTPLUG

Cool that means i can do This right?

At 2/12/07 07:23 PM, Luis wrote:

At 2/12/07 07:18 PM, Shmelo wrote: And then I haven't seen much from luis!

theres a collab out with my work today !!! SHUT UP http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/363788 FREE MOVIE BUTTPLUG

Awesome work, not just from you but the whole thing. In what way did mogs direct your piece?
Amazing how the different styles held together as a final piece even though they were all different, I liked it.

At 2/12/07 07:39 PM, Coaly wrote: Slow motion bullet a bit cliche and did he blink while the bullet was moving? I hope not...

He did blink. Its a movie bloooper. Nice catch i hadnt noticed that.

Luis Loves Mustache

Perhaps its just me but I've noticed a reoccurring theme of mustaches in Luis' work.

Also, I was unaware the mobsters used Lugers, not that I don't find it possible, more than I've never seen them portrayed that way before.

At 2/12/07 08:15 PM, MethodMinus wrote: Luis Loves Mustache

Perhaps its just me but I've noticed a reoccurring theme of mustaches in Luis' work.

Also, I was unaware the mobsters used Lugers, not that I don't find it possible, more than I've never seen them portrayed that way before.

They dont, i took that liberty myself because i liked that it was two-toned and it felt like a service pistol.

Dunno bout the mustache thing maybe its psycological. i cant grow facial hair yet.

Mustaches

Yea, genetics are funny that way. I know to some degree you're joking, but at the same time...there are adults who can't grow facial hair, mostly Asians. Its better then hitting 40 and being a Wookie, I suppose.

Artists Who Disappear

I mentioned this earlier but a good example was Mario the Monkey. I mean, I feel all the stuff submitted by that name was to promote the series, or the website, because they had like a whole animation team and stuff. Either way, I miss that kind of quality work.