anime vs animation

At 1/16/07 04:02 PM, TrueDarkness wrote: stuff

kinda missed my point.

i can see that cartoons have more 'fbf', if you will, but the base character have no structure or form at all, compared to the older cartoons like tom and jerry that have shpae form and all that.

anime does use mroe detailed characters which mean that theri aniamtion wont be as... fbf as the american low detail ones.

Animes like dragonball are horrible examples of anime, Akira, Steamboy, Princess mononoke have amazing animation, not choppy at all.

At 1/16/07 11:14 AM, Toast wrote:

At 1/16/07 06:03 AM, ImpotentBoy2 wrote: french
tell me how to say "i queefed in your sisters face last tuesday, and her aroma has been less foul ever since"

K, I just don't know what 'queef' is :p

J'ai 'queefed' dans la figure de ta soeur mardi dernier, et son arôme a été moins 'foul?' que jamais.

then replace queef with pussy fart and foul with a synonym. its not that hard man. but o ya

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At 1/16/07 01:48 PM, ArthurGhostly wrote: Little things
Do other people find small things... that you've been looking at for the whole time you've used flash, but haven't worked out what they're for?

for me it's the auto-kern. I know it toggles line breaks or something, but I've never actually got to grips with the ins and outs of it and what not.

Auto-Kern

Being the big typography buff that i am the term kerning has a special place in my heart. Auto kern is like a predetermined mathematical formula setup by the programmers of flash to handle special scenarios you run into when you are using typography. With it enabled it catches MOST unsightly letter spacing issues but not all.

Let me give you an example. if you type the word program in this reply form you'll see that the letter 'o' has way too much word spacing between the 'pr' and the o.. this is common because to the computer type is surrounded by this invisible container and so it tries hard to maintain that box spaced out a predetermined amount.. however some letters pose a problem because they dont take up the whole area and so you get these ugly 2px gaps .. for this you'd have to adjust it manually yourself id kern the o so that it hugged the 'r' of program more. its a visual dilemma and you have to take matters into your own hands.

It may seem meaninless but ill have added respect for you if you kern your credits in your movies ;)

RE: anime vs animation

Oh, snox, I wasn't really expanding on what you said, I was just making a general statement. You are absoloutely right about the shape, and tom and jerry is a perfect example, I love that show...

But I also agree about the anime thing, yet, any other shows are hard to find, unless you live in Japan.

One anime I saw one episode of was Gantz, and it was AMAZING, top notch animation, action, acting, and drawings...

American Cartoons Vs. Japanese Cartoons

At 1/16/07 04:02 PM, TrueDarkness wrote: Stuff

I'd have to say everything you said was entirely wrong. I can't even begin to argue. I'm am being serious, damn near everything you said was either the opposite of what is right or wrong in some way.

anime vs animation

japanese cartoons do focus more on animation. most american cartoons have the plainest actions. but alot of jap cartoons do that too. in most cases GITS has very plain movements, compared to other animes. but the drawings are very detailed so it still looks good. i still dont know why they didnt just go with 3d. but things like flcl put alot of effort into animation

american cartoons like simpsons, family guy, and futurama put pretty much no thought into animation. and sometimes it pisses me off. but all they really focus on is jokes. whereas jap cartoons focus more on plot.

animation

Over at John K's there's alot of pix of tom and jerry and simular classic cartoons that he likes to reivew and give animation tips on.. its a great blog :)

compare classic cartoons to newer ones and your'll see how bad animaiton and graphics have gotten.

For fucksake, the new Scooby doo is fucking shit!

RE: Anime v Animation

At 1/16/07 04:23 PM, ImpotentBoy2 wrote: american cartoons like simpsons, family guy, and futurama put pretty much no thought into animation. and sometimes it pisses me off. but all they really focus on is jokes. whereas jap cartoons focus more on plot.

I have to disagree with you about the Simpsons and stuff. If you've seen the newer series, the quality of animation is inversely proportional to the humour, quality of script and voice acting. The earlier series definately had focus on the latter rather than animation, which in cases like its own was certainly a good thing.

At 1/16/07 04:25 PM, Lord-Sonx wrote: animation

Over at John K's there's alot of pix of tom and jerry and simular classic cartoons that he likes to reivew and give animation tips on.. its a great blog :)

compare classic cartoons to newer ones and your'll see how bad animaiton and graphics have gotten.

old tom and jerry was great. we need to get back to that.

luis do something!

For fucksake, the new Scooby doo is fucking shit!

scooby doo was always all-around shit. they would color things wrong all the time. try to find the episode with the pirates and the ghost ship. i think the globe trotter were in it. theres one part in a haunted house were the sound is off sync by like a 15 seconds and velma's hair is the same color as her face. plus scooby doo was lame to begin with.

animation

At 1/16/07 04:30 PM, ImpotentBoy2 wrote: scooby doo was lame to begin with.

oh no you didn't :O

older animatinos had errors in colouring and graphic cuz they didn't have computers to it for them and super powerfull korean armys to colour it all. which aded to their style if you ask me. cartoons today have to style and jutst look flat, basic colouring and no real detail, unlike the older cartoons with their sponges and such :P

RE: Flash Crash

My Flash doesn't crash. However, I can't directly open .fla files, so I have to open Flash from the start menu and open files. But i'm used to it now. Flash did lag a lot when I tried to make a massive sprite movie. I tried tracing a, like 6000x2000 bitmap and my computer just froze, and it took 5 minutes to test the 30 seconds I had currently made. I gave up sprites after that.

scooby doo had cheap animation it was never interesting. and always poorly done. the only times i ever laughed at that show were from some horrible cheap drawing flaw.

At 1/16/07 04:38 PM, ImpotentBoy2 wrote: scooby doo had cheap animation it was never interesting. and always poorly done. the only times i ever laughed at that show were from some horrible cheap drawing flaw.

What do you expect from 60s cartoons? I also hate newer cartoons. Even Powerpuff Girls was better than some of the crap today.

animation
fosters is good. great style, funny even

Re: Monstrous Rant on Politically "Correct"

I found this entire rant to stereotype to some extent, but I agree with some of your points.

At 1/16/07 04:08 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote: Of those kids that say Bush sucks, almost none of them can say why. It all goes back to them just regurgitating what they hear without any reason to understand it. I don't like Bush. But I know why I don't, they do not. That's the scariest thing. And it's ironic because the same ones saying we don't belong in Iraq are the same ones that think all Muslims are extremist.

You're being a tad all-encompassing here. Most kids I know don't like Bush, and know exactly why they don't. And none of them think that all Muslims are terrorists.

Everyone's too god damn caught up in not offending anyone, most mainstream art like cartoons have become steaming piles of PC that must have a happy cast of mixed ethnicities and gender, as to not offend anyone[...]

Again, not true for everything. Take a mainstream show like House for instance. It repeatedly is controversial and the characters, Dr. House especially, are rarely politically correct.

RE: animation

At 1/16/07 04:18 PM, MethodMinus wrote: American Cartoons Vs. Japanese Cartoons

At 1/16/07 04:02 PM, TrueDarkness wrote: Stuff

I'd have to say everything you said was entirely wrong. I can't even begin to argue. I'm am being serious, damn near everything you said was either the opposite of what is right or wrong in some way.

How can you disagree? Take a look at MOST American cartoons.
Snox just mentioned how the new scooby doo is shit, well, yeah, of course there are going to be cartoons worse than others with more poor quality, and DBZ is an example of that, but anime.

Believe me, watch some REAL american cartoons, that aren't MEANT to be crap like Aqua teen hunger force and that shit. If you watch some real cartoons that are played today, that aren't purposely bad, you can see a great example of how american animation surpasses Japanese animation by far.

Now I know a lot of people will disagree, and say I should stop using this as an example, but honestly, the next time you watch an episode of Family guy or the simpsons, or futurama or any other decent quality American animation, look for things like FBF movement and what not. There are tons of it, and constant redrawings of the characters. Constant.

Most japanese anime have horrible lip movements, where in American animation, the lip movements are in sync (as best as it could be with the drawings of the characters).

You take a real american cartoon and compare it with a japanese cartoon and you'll see what I mean.

Japanese = Better drawings, art, graphics, detail, shading, story
American = Better animation, more FBF, more realisticness, more of you having an idea of what is happening.

Animation
I love pretty much all classical animation, where they never cheaped out on voice acting or anything like that and did frame by frame, but these days that just costs too much. Fosters is very good, lots of movement and expressions in the characters, and the movement isn't just tweens of arms moving up and down. The simpsons is and futurama and such are very high quality animation, futurama has lots of 3d use in it. I find that anime isn't as good at points. Every cartoon has its amazing moments and their moments of filler. Anime uses alot of filler, for dragon ball z having so much action it had alot more talking, and anime talking is worse then american talking, cuz the lip syncing is just their mouth opening and closing. I like em all but my favourite cartoon is still the 90s Spider-Man animated series, the best artwork and excellent flawless animation with all the good villians and tons of action! With that being said the original Spider-Man was good for its time and how it was done, everything was done by hand so I can appreciate the work that went into it.

RE: Animation

At 1/16/07 04:53 PM, Shmelo wrote: Animation

the original Spider-Man was good for its time and how it was done, everything was done by hand so I can appreciate the work that went into it.

Yeah, exactly. Even if you watch the original Hulk cartoon that was out around the same time as Spider-man (and don't forget the Superman cartoon), the animation is just plain better, face it.

RE: PC

At 1/16/07 04:51 PM, Naois wrote: Again, not true for everything. Take a mainstream show like House for instance. It repeatedly is controversial and the characters, Dr. House especially, are rarely politically correct.

Yeah, but that's got Hugh Laurie who's like a ledgend.

RE: Animation

At 1/16/07 04:53 PM, TrueDarkness wrote: Japanese = Better drawings, art, graphics, detail, shading, story
American = Better animation, more FBF, more realisticness, more of you having an idea of what is happening.

As far as I'm aware, Japan doesn't ship its animation out to Korean sweatshops for most stuff :P

At 1/16/07 05:01 PM, BritishMoose wrote: I don't think you can compare them as they're both the product of different cultures and have distinctly different places in their respective countries.

Would the works of Pixar and Dreamworks count as American animation? They both have great animations to their name.

You'd have to look it up, I'm assuming they are american, but I don't recall any 2D animations from them... Just their 3D stuff now

At 1/16/07 04:53 PM, TrueDarkness wrote: Believe me, watch some REAL american cartoons, that aren't MEANT to be crap like Aqua teen hunger force and that shit. If you watch some real cartoons that are played today, that aren't purposely bad, you can see a great example of how american animation surpasses Japanese animation by far.

name some?

Now I know a lot of people will disagree, and say I should stop using this as an example, but honestly, the next time you watch an episode of Family guy or the simpsons, or futurama or any other decent quality American animation, look for things like FBF movement and what not. There are tons of it, and constant redrawings of the characters. Constant.

i dont think we're watching the same show. those shows animate just enough to get by. basically all they are going for is something good enough so that it doesn't look bad.

Most japanese anime have horrible lip movements, where in American animation, the lip movements are in sync (as best as it could be with the drawings of the characters).

simpsons has pretty bad lip sync every once and a while. ive noticed it dozens of times. japs cartoons are dubbed so theyre trying to word things so that they fit the lips which is pretty hard.

You take a real american cartoon and compare it with a japanese cartoon and you'll see what I mean.

Japanese = Better drawings, art, graphics, detail, shading, story
American = Better animation, more FBF, more realisticness, more of you having an idea of what is happening.

jap *watch the whole thing
american

both are the first videos i found, so i think its fair.

i kinda underestimated simpsons but theres absolutley nothing special still. basically they just want to show they're moving, but not make a big deal

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At 1/16/07 05:01 PM, BritishMoose wrote: I don't think you can compare them as they're both the product of different cultures and have distinctly different places in their respective countries.

america animation used to be great but over time they've just ogtten worse.

yes, they are using more 'fbf' and it looks smoother but its far from detailed. the lip sync is near perfect but alot of times its faaarr off, anime uses that lip sync style but who really cares when it looks soo good. at least it moves in time with the speach.

i was gonna upload a 2mb swf to denvish but the 5mb limit wont let me uplaod it < yes u heard me !>

At 1/16/07 04:59 PM, Paranoia wrote:

At 1/16/07 04:51 PM, Naois wrote: Again, not true for everything. Take a mainstream show like House for instance. It repeatedly is controversial and the characters, Dr. House especially, are rarely politically correct.

Yeah, but that's got Hugh Laurie who's like a ledgend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGW5bf_I7TA
true! but house is lame mellodrama freewriting bullshit

As far as I'm aware, Japan doesn't ship its animation out to Korean sweatshops for most stuff :P

still the actual people animating dont decide anything on how to animate it. its all decided by animating directors. sweatshops just do the inbetweens

Sonx

Hey guys, its SONX! Not snox!!!

anime vs animation

ghost in the shell < SC: movie> vs everyday simpsons.. which looks better?

http://denvish.net/ulf/1168986444_pl.php
unfair comparison but you know u'd never see somehtign that complex int he simpsons or somehting that boring in an anime

animation
Problem I find today in American animations is their all using flash (flash isn't bad, thats not what I'm saying) but they are at pro level, shouldn't they use the pro medium. Hardly any animation today is done traditionally, even disney doesn't do it anymore, they just keep sucking off of Pixar (pixar is disney I know, but you also know what I mean). Plus alot of 3-D movies are absolute crap, since Finding Nemo and Shrek have come out, there are all kinds of 3d animated movies coming of peoples asses. You can't even find a good one of those, and the crappy ones actually have crap animation and graphics for the level their showing at. I say TV toons should be traditional and movies, some can be 3d but if so, make it like flawless animation to the extreme. Their just crapping it out nowadays. And one time I decided to watch the credits of "Whats new scooby doo" all the animators are korean, lol.

animation

what shows use flash? i know metalocalypse does and alot of shows on AS. but other then thati cant think of many. alot look like flash but i doubt they actually use it

Animation

I don't watch many American cartoons these days, but what I did is hardly what I would consider good animation. What does have lots of frame-by-frame is not something worth mentioning because it is all exaggerated motions reminiscent of eye bulges and jaw drops from half-century old loonytoon cartoons. At least when anime makes exaggerates things, its generally to save animators work. Theres a level of realism in anime I don't associate with things like the simpsons. Just looking at the run cycle of any anime vs the simpsons shows you something. In an anime the person actually has knees and elbows but in the simpsons their limbs are just bend. Its like there legs just swing back and forth as they move across the screen, like a leaping motion even.

3D is something else entirely. Even things likes nemo and shit aggravate the crap out of me, even when I've never watched it. I'd rather see some fish that look like real fish than fish that live in a world where nothing has a sharp edge.

At 1/16/07 05:17 PM, ImpotentBoy2 wrote: house is lame melodrama freewriting bullshit

Are we talking about the same show here? The House I'm thinking is character driven with great medical twists.

Re: House

At 1/16/07 07:08 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote: I'll take Dr. Cox and Scrubs over house anyw day ;)

Bah! Most 'medical' shows out there today have nothing to do with medicine, House actually does.

House

Before I went to college I hadn't missed an episode but since then I can't say the same. Tonight its not even on because of the American Idol bullshit.

I will admit its a good show though.