At 3/27/10 10:20 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote:

At 3/27/10 09:48 PM, knugen wrote: There exists keyboards without delete? >_<'

Might put in a button for it then, although I don't want to encourage people to get such crappy keyboards :)

Haha, it's Job's fault. I'm on a MacBook.

in b4 HUR MACS R SHIT DUR

Damn you Job :P Anyway try this.

At 3/27/10 10:23 PM, knugen wrote: Damn you Job :P Anyway try this.

HUZZAH! That's awesome, thanks!

At 3/27/10 09:16 PM, HDXmike wrote:

At 3/27/10 04:11 PM, Johnny wrote: Increment it by less than 1 with more iterations.

Youre missing the point , incrementing it by any fixed value at all still looks too rigid

Yeah, missed the point entirely. Are you looking to east it into the final position or from the starting position. Those should help smooth out the overall movement. Aside from that, I don't know any way.

At 3/27/10 10:25 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote:

At 3/27/10 10:23 PM, knugen wrote: Damn you Job :P Anyway try this.

HUZZAH! That's awesome, thanks!

Hold on, im on a macbook pro too though, and where a "backspace key" normally would be, is a button that says "Delete"

Whilst i love being at home for the peace and quiet and lovely big comfortable bed etc. I do hate having to use this computer which whilst it being slower is not so much of an issue. Having a resolution of only 1024x768 compared to 3840x1080 IS an issue >.>

Why do some people have such a bitter hatred towards Flash CS5?

At 3/28/10 12:41 PM, zrb wrote:

At 3/28/10 12:11 PM, Archon68 wrote: Why do some people have such a bitter hatred towards Flash CS5?

Because its a bloated and boxy IDE. Unless you have a big enough screen with a great computer, it won't do you good.

That would be me.

At 3/28/10 01:18 PM, zrb wrote:

At 3/28/10 01:10 PM, Archon68 wrote: That would be me.

If you didn't have a huge screen and a high-end computer, you'd hate it.

You have to admit it's a powerful program with amazing capabilities, though. It may be bloated and it may only work properly on high-end computers, but for the people who use it professionally, a lot can be accomplished.

At 3/28/10 01:45 PM, zrb wrote: The spray brush, well its just useless.

I kinda like the spray brush. For example, when I have tons of movie clips in the same scene, it's very time consuming placing stuff in random rotations/sizes. I've used it for raindrops animation on water before (in my piece of crap piracy movie)

At 3/28/10 02:01 PM, HDXmike wrote: Flash

Lacks animator friendly workspace or advanced animation tools of most professional animation software
Lacks speed or flexibility or stability of most professional software

Of course its a useful tool but its one of those things that doesnt really need to be there but its just stuck around. Like us still driving on the left side of the road

I think its OK but adobe should quit while theyre , ahead ? and simply improve performance and stabilty , generally fix the problems they have now instead of whoring it out with new stuff

The thing you need to realize is that Flash is and has not ever been a tool used to create desktop applications. It's for creating content for the web, and it does a fantastic job at that.

True, there are major flaws with Flash, but it is still the current industry standard for media on the web.

And there's nothing wrong with adding new features to Flash. The iPhone development capabilities may not be perfect, but they are there. I doubt Adobe would add that feature without them at least working somewhat properly.

As for "Flash alternatives", HTML 5 hasn't caught on much yet, and even when it does, it still has a long way to go before it will overtake Flash.

And Silverlight? Pfft...

Changing my alias

How does one go about doing this again?

At 3/28/10 02:32 PM, Blackfang wrote: Changing my alias

How does one go about doing this again?

PM Tom.

At 3/28/10 02:54 PM, Archon68 wrote: PM Tom.

Thanks, haven't been here in a while haha

I don't remember it ever being a crime to get excited over the release of a new program.

I think you're just jellyous that you can't afford it / your computer can't run it. Get your panties unbunched and come back later.

At 3/28/10 04:33 PM, Archon68 wrote: I don't remember it ever being a crime to get excited over the release of a new program.

I think you're just jellyous that you can't afford it / your computer can't run it. Get your panties unbunched and come back later.

How about, I just take my panties off? ;)

HTML was never made for what they're making it do. Poor HTML.

At 3/28/10 05:07 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote: This used to be a warm and happy place and now it's just COLD

Like your mother

what now

At 3/28/10 05:19 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote:

At 3/28/10 05:16 PM, Archon68 wrote:

At 3/28/10 05:07 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote: This used to be a warm and happy place and now it's just COLD

Like your mother

what now

Son, don't speak that way about Nana.

Sho a man walks into a bar with a monkey. I forget the resht of the joke but your mother ish a whore.

At 3/28/10 05:32 PM, HDXmike wrote: as usual you can never admit being wrong, and once you dont like something you put your hands over your ears and go "NANANANANANAICANTHEARYOUNANANA"

What is there to be wrong about? All I'm saying is that Flash is a great program and there's no reason to call it complete and utter shit before it is released. That's true about any upcoming product. You just aren't giving it a chance. In your mind, you've already decided that it is a dysfunctional program that is of no use to anyone, and of course you'll never listen to anyone else's opinion on the matter because of that.

Im not trying to bash you ,at least 80% of my post were simply my thoughts relating to some stuff you said , honestly archon get over yourself.

NANANANANANAICANTHEARYOUNANANA

At 3/28/10 02:01 PM, HDXmike wrote: In all honesty id prefer some bare bones SDKs and Notepad++ .

So does everyone else. Which is why they use the Flex SDK and as little other Adobe tools as possible.

I think its OK but adobe should quit while theyre , ahead ? and simply improve performance and stabilty , generally fix the problems they have now instead of whoring it out with new stuff

Quit while they're ahead? Their goal is simply to keep selling the trainwreck by pretending they're adding new features as long as you dipshits don't catch on that it's shit that gets *worse* with every version.

At 3/28/10 02:19 PM, Archon68 wrote: True, there are major flaws with Flash, but it is still the current industry standard for media on the web.

There is no standard on the web, it consists of whatever works, and the state is quite sad.

And there's nothing wrong with adding new features to Flash. The iPhone development capabilities may not be perfect, but they are there. I doubt Adobe would add that feature without them at least working somewhat properly.

The capabilities are probably not serious. Nobody uses most of the new features that are highlighted wit every release.

As for "Flash alternatives", HTML 5 hasn't caught on much yet, and even when it does, it still has a long way to go before it will overtake Flash.

No reliable multimedia there. But it should be coming.

And Silverlight? Pfft...

That's a shame actually, .NET is the best platform around right now, certainly compared to the Actionscript runtime and its API. Maybe we should start developing for Mono.

At 3/28/10 05:19 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote: Something about this place being cold

yeah i miss the old reg lounge too haha

Oh, Mike, you are hypocrisy at it's finest.

At 3/28/10 02:01 PM, HDXmike wrote: Lacks animator friendly workspace or advanced animation tools of most professional animation software

what do you need other than key frames, layers, onion skin and brush tool?

At 3/28/10 06:58 PM, turtleco wrote:

At 3/28/10 02:01 PM, HDXmike wrote: Lacks animator friendly workspace or advanced animation tools of most professional animation software

what do you need other than key frames, layers, onion skin and brush tool?

You don't even need all of those fancy shmancy tools; true animators do it all with a pencil on paper!

CS4 added enough new features that are useful for games
*Pixel Bender for graphical effects
*Dynamic sound generation
*Vector.<Type> (i use this more than Array now, in fact I almost never use Array anymore)

CS5 hasnt added anything interesting, but the build I have is like 10 builds outdated and i need to grab the new one sometime.

iPhone publishing is too slow for practical use

At 3/28/10 06:34 PM, HDXmike wrote: my point for the past few posts has been how they are making a mess and trying to cover it up with all those gimmicks.

They haven't been making a mess, it's what's been happening since Flash 6. That C API you discovered, been around since v8 or earlier even.

At 3/28/10 06:58 PM, turtleco wrote: what do you need other than key frames, layers, onion skin and brush tool?

http://blogs.toonboom.com/professional/?
p=315

At 3/28/10 07:54 PM, GustTheASGuy wrote: http://blogs.toonboom.com/professional/?
p=315

only major thing i see different in this video is handy z depth without having to convert stuff to 3d objects. Other than that he totally neglected to try using a graphic symbol and changing its still-frame rather than swapping movie clips...

i guess parenting could be good too but i haven't seen any extremely handy tools for frame by frame animation from either one. toonboom's parenting hierarchy could be neat too. I'll have to try it out sometime.

It's strange how 'economical' animation techniques have become. I feel like sometimes our tools are too limiting and teaching us the wrong way to do things. For network television and tight deadlines it's apparent that we need these bone tools to help use static limbs for characters, but it just looks so much better doing everything frame by frame. I'm interested to see how Princess and the Frog was set up in toonboom with things that couldn't be done in Flash apparently (even though everything was frame by frame for the most part).

OMG im not naming any names but all of you that have been arguing that flash cs4 and onward are bad are just plain dumb k? k heres why.

You say "oh they keep adding shit" but the thing is, THEY KEEP ADDING, and they're making it easier for the yung-uns to pick it up too. For example, the new motion tween takes some getting used to, but beleive it or not its actually directly based off of after effects's method of tweening complete with motion editor which is LOVELY!

Bone tool isn't terrible, in fact it makes inverse kinematics a thing of the past, if you customize your own brush the spray tool is lovely for spekely stuff, the 3D tool is GREAT for lots of stuff too. I've been experimenting and plan on putting it to use soon enough.

What I'm trying to get at, is while they keep adding things that people may not want, they're not TAKING anything from it. Its not like they're going "well, nobody REALLY likes the pen tool so were getting rid of it", its still the same program as flash MX/04 but with MORE built into it so that you have MORE tools at your disposal. Now i'm speaking from an animators point of view, as glaiel pointed out they also added alot on the programming side, probably more than the tools side.

On a side topic that HDX mike brought up:
toonboom is much more professiona and advancedl in terms of creating animations, i recently got a copy with my school and have been playing with it a bit, but it doesn't make flash look like shit. It just focuses everything about it into traditional pencil/paper animation, which is really neat. my MAIN problem with it is the toonboom-flash intergration, once i figure out how to move a toon-boom made animation INTO flash to work the preloaders and menu's, i'll PROBABLY switch to full toonboom for exile and what not.
(If anybody knows how to do this, let me know as i'm totally interested and cant find much on the web)

-JD

At 3/28/10 06:59 PM, Archon68 wrote: You don't even need all of those fancy shmancy tools; true animators do it all with a pencil on paper!

waaaaaaaayyyy ahead of you, old news pal

well I guess I should try toon boom, but unless it makes animating in fbf easier, I'm skeptical.

but If I buy a new version of an animating software, I'll buy toon boom for sure.

At 3/28/10 11:33 PM, turtleco wrote:

At 3/28/10 06:59 PM, Archon68 wrote: You don't even need all of those fancy shmancy tools; true animators do it all with a pencil on paper!

waaaaaaaayyyy ahead of you, old news pal

well I guess I should try toon boom, but unless it makes animating in fbf easier, I'm skeptical.

but If I buy a new version of an animating software, I'll buy toon boom for sure.

keep it up man. you will be wayyyy ahead of your classes if you do animation in college

http://www.thebackalleys.com/forum/index .php?showtopic=9003&st=0