At 10/3/06 03:15 PM, GAAARGH wrote: massvoting doesn't work,
I'm sure lots of you have thought, "hey a clock movie, I'm going to vote 5, because I know it'll pass." - You stat whores are the worst >:U

That's why they invented the "2" button.

At 10/3/06 02:58 PM, DFox wrote: But when you throw in the people who manipulate the voting process, it needs improvement, and that's the bottom line.

I really don't care about people who mass vote. They proved they can break the system, so what? It's not earning them awards or any sort of positive recognition. If people are that broken for attention, its pretty sad.

Personally I believe that, like True-Darkness said in another topic, there should be portal mods to fix any and all unfair problems.

Just stopping by.

At 10/3/06 03:23 PM, jmtb02 wrote:

At 10/3/06 02:58 PM, DFox wrote: But when you throw in the people who manipulate the voting process, it needs improvement, and that's the bottom line.

I really don't care about people who mass vote. They proved they can break the system, so what? It's not earning them awards or any sort of positive recognition. If people are that broken for attention, its pretty sad.

Oh I agree, it is sad, and it's beyond pathetic.

But here's where it upsets me. I liked it when I could submit my games with 10 other under judgment things. Now, they will get overshadowed by spam.

It's not fair to real Flash authors like you and myself and everyone in the Flash forum.

yeah portal mods, that would be totally awsome, we wont have to wait months for stuff to get deleated/revewed when they've been flagged..... and.. stuff. It would rock.

At 10/3/06 03:17 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote:

At 10/3/06 03:15 PM, GAAARGH wrote: massvoting doesn't work,
I'm sure lots of you have thought, "hey a clock movie, I'm going to vote 5, because I know it'll pass." - You stat whores are the worst >:U

That's why they invented the "2" button.

Haha, word. I don't know what the logic would be behind voting 5. If I don't like something and I want my protect, I give it the lowest possible protect, not the highest.

At 10/3/06 03:45 PM, NegativeONE wrote: Haha, word. I don't know what the logic would be behind voting 5. If I don't like something and I want my protect, I give it the lowest possible protect, not the highest.

So you don't eat the protect point in order to try to keep the integrity of the portal :(

If I see a spam Flash that I know doesn't deserve to pass but will anyway, you better believe I'm voting 0 just to lower its score.

I agree with some points, but I wasn't talking about the rights of people but about the consequence on users voting without thinking. I'm not saying every user should think before voting, but I just think that the ng voting system isn't extremely appropriate for contests and sponsorships. No problems with NG as it is, but I still think that AG need to base their prizes on something else, for example. Of course if there is a problem in understanding the game or one of the (bad :P) examples I gave, the problem is originally with the artist, not the voter. But however there are a lot of mass voting 0 and such, or people voting 0 and not 2-1 because they want to make sure it goes down the most it can, but the problem with when people do that is that a lot of people do it. If you think an entry is worth a 2 and you vote 0 because you want the final score to be closer to your opinion, it's kind of wrong since just like you said, why would I be right and not the others. That's just how it should works, everyone votes and it changes a bit every time.

At 10/3/06 03:59 PM, GAAARGH wrote:

At 10/3/06 03:45 PM, NegativeONE wrote: Haha, word. I don't know what the logic would be behind voting 5. If I don't like something and I want my protect, I give it the lowest possible protect, not the highest.

I vote either 0 or 5.
If I like something I want to vote as high as I can - and the opposite if I hate it. I see no reason for the other numbers.

I sometimes do that when im voting in the portal, but on things that are already through i tend to vote exactly what i think.
I vote high on things that i want to see get through the portal and I think would be a shame if they were lost.

I feel like the only person who doesn't care about thier B/P score. I vote honestly of my own opinion. Everyone starts at my mental image of what I rate three at (occasionally two if the author comments put me in that appropriate frame of mind), and every major fault or merit I spot adjusts thier score as appropriate.

Name occasionally factors into it naturally, but only because they'd have done work that imprints into my mind enough for me to be prejudiced.

At 10/3/06 03:48 PM, DFox wrote: So you don't eat the protect point in order to try to keep the integrity of the portal :(

Oh, you and your crusades :P
The way I see it, nothing with a chance of passing deserves a 0. And what's the big difference between a 1 and a 2 anyway. Plus, building my stats allows me to have more of an effect when I really take a strong opinion on something.

At 10/3/06 02:05 PM, Luis wrote:
If people dont get it, its usually because there is something fundementally wrong with your submission. E.I the instructions werent written right, the buttons were too small, the type was hard to read, the controls were too touchy ETC ETC ETC.
Dont pin this on the audience, its your idea and you have to sell it.

Exactly. I think you have 2 choises. Adapt to the audience and make lots of money or forget about the audience and go your own way. If you choose to make money then you have to make something that the audience understands and appreciates. It really isnt that hard and alot of people in this thread already gave good suggestions for what 'great game' is. Take their suggestions and work hard on your game and it's hard to go wrong. You just can't blame the audience for not liking your game and voting low, since there are alot of games that are liked by the general NG audience.

Oh and besides, i think the newgrounds audience is one of the most critical audiences when it comes to games. Most of them are in the 14-17 year old age range and own a playstation or x-box. Just look at the forum how it is flooded with game related topics. I'm pretty sure they DO know a good game when they see it and they aren't clueless noobs when it comes to understanding a good game.

At 10/3/06 06:00 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: Oh and besides, i think the newgrounds audience is one of the most critical audiences when it comes to games. Most of them are in the 14-17 year old age range and own a playstation or x-box. Just look at the forum how it is flooded with game related topics. I'm pretty sure they DO know a good game when they see it and they aren't clueless noobs when it comes to understanding a good game.

Well Toast did have a good point about some of the people who vote zero just because they didn't get the game. A lot of people don't read the instructions and complain about the controls but the authour should try and make the controls as noticable as they can.
Most people do have a PlayStation 2 or an X-box and compare some of the games on Newgrounds to games like Halo but there are people who play old school games who'll compare an adventure game to The Legend of Zelda or a platformer to Sooper Dooper Mario Land.

At 10/3/06 06:00 PM, AloneInTheDark wrote: Oh and besides, i think the newgrounds audience is one of the most critical audiences when it comes to games. Most of them are in the 14-17 year old age range and own a playstation or x-box. Just look at the forum how it is flooded with game related topics. I'm pretty sure they DO know a good game when they see it and they aren't clueless noobs when it comes to understanding a good game.

Thing is, Ive gotten reviews for my games like:

"I don't have flash player 8 installed right now. I'll install it and play it later, for now ill give you a 0". Overall score: 0.

It's just that some people are stupid enough to say that the game didnt load for them, and give them a zero. Or some are just lazy to go get the latest flash player. It sucks.

Altough i do agree with you AITD, most n00bs will compare console games to flash games.

At 10/3/06 04:05 PM, NegativeONE wrote:

At 10/3/06 03:48 PM, DFox wrote: So you don't eat the protect point in order to try to keep the integrity of the portal :(

Oh, you and your crusades :P
The way I see it, nothing with a chance of passing deserves a 0. And what's the big difference between a 1 and a 2 anyway. Plus, building my stats allows me to have more of an effect when I really take a strong opinion on something.

Haha, touche :) What you said is the clear counter point because a lot of people might look at it as they are building their power in order to stop it later on.

At 10/3/06 02:58 PM, DFox wrote: I agree with Luis in the fact that the majority of voters on Newgrounds know how to vote, and vote fairly.

I'm behind, but I disagree. Think about it, which would score higher? An asteroids clone with simple boring graphics, or a sleek asteroids clone with a beautiful star field and background planets, and excellently drawn ships? Which one deserves to score higher?

You can't exactly vote unfairly, thats the whole concept of a vote, its your choice, if you want to vote 0 just for the sake of being a douche, its upto you.

Speaking of mass voting I have found out about three new flash groups.
Uzi Union always puts a nice iuntro on there flashes and then they have something retarded after the intro. The Kitty Krew mass votes on each other. Oh yeah they also co-authour everthying they make with each other. Then theres the Reverse Republic who have people in it such as ClockStrawberry and other retarded things.

At 10/3/06 08:24 PM, skooj-lik-chaah wrote: Speaking of mass voting I have found out about three new flash groups.
Uzi Union always puts a nice iuntro on there flashes and then they have something retarded after the intro. The Kitty Krew mass votes on each other. Oh yeah they also co-authour everthying they make with each other. Then theres the Reverse Republic who have people in it such as ClockStrawberry and other retarded things.

...and?

Complaining about different crews has been around as long as the crews have. I really don't think the endless discussion and daily threads in General about it do anything. Change your underwear and get over it.

At 10/3/06 08:42 PM, BlackmarketKraig wrote: ...and?

Complaining about different crews has been around as long as the crews have. I really don't think the endless discussion and daily threads in General about it do anything. Change your underwear and get over it.

Well my point is that if they wanted to spam NG then they should of joined CC, LL or GG.

At 10/3/06 09:53 PM, erect frog wrote:

Help/Tips?

Accept life as it is. Life will unfold as it should in the end. </harold and kumar>

At 10/3/06 09:53 PM, caseyo wrote: Help/Tips?

Dont fight against it. Look at me. :P

bad tip. BAD.

At 10/3/06 09:53 PM, caseyo wrote: Help/Tips?

Unplug your interwebs, make some device that electricutes you everytime you visit Newgrounds or eat food instead of going to Newgrounds.

At 10/3/06 09:56 PM, TrueDarkness wrote: At 10/3/06 09:53 PM, erect frog wrote:

Help/Tips?

Accept life as it is. Life will unfold as it should in the end. </harold and kumar>

Lol I wouldn't take a movie where they ride a cheater to intellectual status.

Cmon guys, 3 pages? I was barely done reading 14 when I went to bed, and I come back and 2 more pages are here :)

Quick question:

Who here uses Fierfox's tabs to vote on multiple movies when voting in the portal? I stopped that because I kept forgetting what movie I was watching... lol

At 10/3/06 10:42 PM, LordTrunks wrote: Cmon guys, 3 pages? I was barely done reading 14 when I went to bed, and I come back and 2 more pages are here :)

Quick question:

Who here uses Fierfox's tabs to vote on multiple movies when voting in the portal? I stopped that because I kept forgetting what movie I was watching... lol

I should download FireFox but the same thing heappenned when I went to sleep last time.

At 10/3/06 10:42 PM, LordTrunks wrote: Who here uses Fierfox's tabs to vote on multiple movies when voting in the portal? I stopped that because I kept forgetting what movie I was watching... lol

I used to do that when i had IE aswell. IE has this new feature (you have to download it though) that lets you use tabbed browsing. But firefox is safer, ill give you that.

I do it... but normally i only vote on movies that are <1mb. Yes. Im too lazy to wait.

At 10/3/06 11:08 PM, Blaze wrote: I do it... but normally i only vote on movies that are <1mb. Yes. Im too lazy to wait.

Ugh, with the ten MB upgrade, people are submitting flashes with 2-3 event songs in their flash, and they suck horribly, so I have to wait like 5 minutes just to vote zero on shit. It's ridiculous...

At 10/3/06 11:11 PM, LordTrunks wrote:

At 10/3/06 11:08 PM, Blaze wrote: I do it... but normally i only vote on movies that are <1mb. Yes. Im too lazy to wait.

Ugh, with the ten MB upgrade, people are submitting flashes with 2-3 event songs in their flash, and they suck horribly, so I have to wait like 5 minutes just to vote zero on shit. It's ridiculous...

Yeah. Did you see that F.U. TOO flash? 8 mb... and MOST of the graphics were crap. You CANT deny it, can you? :P

I cant see how that got in frontpage. grrr.

At 10/3/06 11:11 PM, LordTrunks wrote:

At 10/3/06 11:08 PM, Blaze wrote: I do it... but normally i only vote on movies that are <1mb. Yes. Im too lazy to wait.

Ugh, with the ten MB upgrade, people are submitting flashes with 2-3 event songs in their flash, and they suck horribly, so I have to wait like 5 minutes just to vote zero on shit. It's ridiculous...

I don't think that was too good of an idea, even though I have a decent internet connection it takes a while to load a 10 mb flash.