At 4/19/09 10:31 PM, Smartdog wrote: Flash 8 is probably the best to have in general. I personally have CS4, but that's because I'm just like that, up to date with the newest stuff.

But you can't use AS3 with Flash 8 D:

At 4/19/09 10:37 PM, Wurmy wrote:

At 4/19/09 10:31 PM, Smartdog wrote: Flash 8 is probably the best to have in general. I personally have CS4, but that's because I'm just like that, up to date with the newest stuff.

But you can't use AS3 with Flash 8 D:

thats the main reason im saving up for flash CS3 and not just the real version of the one i have. if i have AS3 then generally when i collab with programmers itll be easier for them plus ill still be able to save into flash 8 format therefore be able to go into collabs.

lol i got the 46000 post

At 4/19/09 10:45 PM, fluffkomix wrote:

At 4/19/09 10:37 PM, Wurmy wrote:

At 4/19/09 10:31 PM, Smartdog wrote: Flash 8 is probably the best to have in general. I personally have CS4, but that's because I'm just like that, up to date with the newest stuff.

But you can't use AS3 with Flash 8 D:

thats the main reason im saving up for flash CS3 and not just the real version of the one i have. if i have AS3 then generally when i collab with programmers itll be easier for them plus ill still be able to save into flash 8 format therefore be able to go into collabs.

lol i got the 46000 post

I'm still going to stick with flash 8. I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a new language I'll never learn and a couple new tools that I'll never use.

Worst thing to take up time that ya wanna use to work on your flash -

MMOs....
Fucking MMOs....

At 4/19/09 10:53 PM, Magical-Zorse wrote:

At 4/19/09 10:45 PM, fluffkomix wrote:

At 4/19/09 10:37 PM, Wurmy wrote:

At 4/19/09 10:31 PM, Smartdog wrote: Flash 8 is probably the best to have in general. I personally have CS4, but that's because I'm just like that, up to date with the newest stuff.

But you can't use AS3 with Flash 8 D:

thats the main reason im saving up for flash CS3 and not just the real version of the one i have. if i have AS3 then generally when i collab with programmers itll be easier for them plus ill still be able to save into flash 8 format therefore be able to go into collabs.

lol i got the 46000 post

I'm still going to stick with flash 8. I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a new language I'll never learn and a couple new tools that I'll never use.

ah but see, the thing is, you actually payed for flash 8. and since i set myself a loftier goal then i shouldve, then its gonna take me longer to get there and therefore i wont get any personaly profit (except of course for the fact of learning animationg, which is profit within itself) for a long time.

more screenshots from my tests:

first try:
http://spamtheweb.com/ul/upload/190409/7 4703_Picture_4.png

fakey blur:
http://spamtheweb.com/ul/upload/190409/7 4751_Picture_7.png

better blur:
http://spamtheweb.com/ul/upload/190409/7 4784_Picture_9.png

texture mapped light:
http://spamtheweb.com/ul/upload/190409/7 4597_Picture_10.png
http://spamtheweb.com/ul/upload/190409/7 4680_Picture_11.png

At 4/19/09 04:50 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Like fuck pirating stuff is not noble rebellion as many of them try to back it up. It's just 2 year old syndrome of "i want i want i want i want" yet they're too lazy to get off their asses and get an actual job to pay for it.

sorry to reply to an oldish post but for me its not because im too lazy to get a job, its that no one will hire a fifteen year old with no experience. ive tried everywhere cept McDonalds and im afraid im gonna have to try there eventually.

At 4/20/09 12:00 AM, fluffkomix wrote: sorry to reply to an oldish post but for me its not because im too lazy to get a job, its that no one will hire a fifteen year old with no experience. ive tried everywhere cept McDonalds and im afraid im gonna have to try there eventually.

You gotta start somewhere. No point in avoiding it if you think it's below your caliber or something. It might suck, but it's a job, and if you can get it with no experience, take it. It's something.

Johnny, I agree. MMO's eat so much time.

As for piracy, I do for music. Most often I'll download a song or two I hear of an artist that I like, and if I like a few songs, I'll buy one of their albums/greatest hits collections. If I really like that, I'll buy more of there stuff.

As for Flash, I borrowed it from a friend, who most likely didn't have a legit copy. When the idea of making money came in to the picture, I shelled out the cash for Flash 8. I still haven't made enough to pay off what it cost, but I've made something, so it's nice to know I have a legit copy. Making money off of games and then still not buying a legit copy is super greasy.

I have never realized how little I really need to pirate until recently, when the IPRED law in Sweden got accepted.

I have Spotify to listen to music (thanks knugen <3) and all the movies I want to see usually shows on TV so I can just record them. I mainly use free software (haXe, swfmill, FlashDevelop etc) and I do not play a lot of games. When I do play some game it's only the occasional great free indie game (check out thepoppenkast, great site).

Although about IPRED, stopping people from pirating all together is not the way to go. I left some opinions over at my blog, http://hesselboom.com/blog/2009/04/to-de al-with-piracy/ if anyone is interested.

Also, interesting read, http://blackouteurope.eu/

Piracy
I pirate just about everything and disregard EULAs. Last piece of software I bought was Flash 8 when I was still 13. (I somewhat regret it, though I still use the installation. Heh.) Most of my software now is free and open source. If I ever need a new version of Flash, I won't buy it (or upgrade) again.

It's not overpriced for software like Flash, but Adobe has become too bloated and incapable of producing quality software and I refuse to give them money to further support their Department of Infinite Monkeys of Software Development. I'm not sure where they get all those bananas produced, but it's a fact that the most notable feature of the new releases since Flash MX is doubling hard drive and memory requirements for each iteration.
So I think they really need to be forced to rethink what they're doing (like Microsoft did, it seems). I wouldn't mind if like Silverlight or whatever stopped being shit and became usable, because it would kick the ass of Flash so hard.

Back to piracy. While the arguments the pirate kids provide like with examples of how being able to view movies or try games for free leads to them taking their mates to see it in a theater and buying the real CD if they like it, it's pretty obvious that for one such an occurrence there's a thousand people like me how download it just to have it. I have a good TV system at home and I don't wanna go buy the same damn thing except DRM'd.

But I like where the idea of freely accessing and then deciding whether you want to pay is going. I pirate everything but I don't hold back on donating, I donate by $50s and $100s.
If an artist I like doesn't like me pirating his music, I'll give them $50 for every album I have, because I like the music and it's not a problem for me to dish the money. (Unless it's like a whole lot of artists.)

So I think doing free digital distribution and teaching people to donate if they like it would pretty much destroy the industry corruption or whatever those TPB clowns have a problem with. The change is up to the artists and inertia.

(And yeah, they're pretty much clowns as they chose to fuck with the industry. It's not about justice because the industry has money. They're just fucking with court for the hell of it, as removing them won't hurt the Scene at all.)

By the way, due to lack of laws in Latvia (that's my country, Luis) by pirating I'm not doing anything explicitly illegal.

hesselbom: I was about to plug that link. :p

AS3 without Flash CS3<
You can and you should. (Learn something about programming without drawing a stickman and making it a symbol as a first step of development.)

Apparently, Adobe now are distributing an unlocked Flex Builder?
https://freeriatools.adobe.com/learnflex /
Fuck their conditions. Besides, if you've only made 9 cents you problably won't be breaking their terms by ..much. :p

At 4/20/09 05:46 AM, GustTheASGuy wrote: By the way, due to lack of laws in Latvia (that's my country, Luis) by pirating I'm not doing anything explicitly illegal.

It's not Luis who cracks down on Piracy here. It's me. And you're all skirting the line for a mandatory month vacation from the forums here. :p

Ooo a threat.

Luis consistently asks me what Latvia is whenever I mention it. :p

At 4/20/09 05:46 AM, GustTheASGuy wrote: So I think doing free digital distribution and teaching people to donate if they like it would pretty much destroy the industry corruption or whatever those TPB clowns have a problem with. The change is up to the artists and inertia.

I find this to be very simliar in nature to the argument you opposed earlier in your post. Maybe you donate money to people you pirated from if you like them. You're just one in a thousand, most people never donate anything.

I donate to sites that host stuff that isn't generally available and that do translations of like Japanese and French stuff and to musicians etc.

I'm saying it should be up to the user if and when he pays for things.
People don't donate because they're not taught to donate. If you ask for donations and teach people why it could become general practice and even earn more money.
Am I thinking too highly of humanity again?

At 4/20/09 05:46 AM, GustTheASGuy wrote: By the way, due to lack of laws in Latvia (that's my country, Luis) by pirating I'm not doing anything explicitly illegal.

Fuck that shit. Moral obligations aren't particular to one geographical region or other. That's the main thing that annoyed me about the trial - the defendents openly encourage and facilitate piracy, but they tried to avoid sentances based on technicalities.

I'll probably manage to offend the maximum number of individuals with this statement, but piracy laws aren't silly things like legislation on drugs where you're not hurting anyone else by disregarding them. Creative industries require that some people pay for their services - even if a chunk of people do the fact that so many people just grab stuff for free essentially just renders paying a tax on honesty.

Actually, the most annoying thing is how people attempt to justify piracy as a big act of rebellion on evil corporations. Now, if you really care about stuff like income inequality and the evilness of massive corporations (incidentially, I do. A lot.), then there are plenty of legitimate ways of getting your point across. You can boycott things entirely. Or organise a big group of like minded people and have a huge protest on the matter (given the number of people who openly pirate stuff, it shouldn't be hard to find a group of people the size of Wales to have a worldwide protest against income inequality, right? Right..?). Similarly, there are plenty of ways to inform Adobe of problems you have with their software.

But if you go and pirate something, all ideas of protest are meaningless. When you pirate something, you don't come across as someone with a legitimate concern, or someone who's offended by something. You just come across as an asshole who wants free stuff. And then nobody has to do shit to address your concerns.

Flash on your tellybox

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/80 08070.stm

I didn't say I wasn't amoral. I was saying you should come to Latvia and download shit.

Piracy does do damage, but it's not a threat to the Western industry.

At 4/20/09 08:37 AM, GustTheASGuy wrote: Piracy does do damage, but it's not a threat to the Western industry.

I work on the basis that if i want to support the developers/publishers, and see more games from them, i'll buy. If i am not sure about a game but want to test it out (and there is no demo, eg FC2), i'll pirate it, and decide if the developer deserves my cash.

It just means that i'm not taking any money away from developers (as i would never have bought a game i wasn't sure about, eg FC2).

Happy 4/20!

Happy 4/20 to all my beloved "weed-smoking-regs" :P
For the rest - crack a smile and maybe a beer, enjoy the day, don'tcha hate or fear.
Me and Darryl are goin' to Downtown Vancouver for the Vansterdam 4/20- Celibration/protest at the art gallery. We plan on doing one thing today - smokin' large amounts of cannabis - like every other day but, in a massive crowd with hundreds or stoners.

Also all sorts of media from Duder Entertainment comin' up. Hehe, I'm totally gonna snag myself a few trophies.
Peace and love and flash to all.

Let the power of flash flow through your fingers and smash away at the mouse like a blacksmith smashing burning metal with his hammer - we shall create beautiful weapons of animations used to slay all and any boredom and unhappyness only to leave shire joy and amusement in its wake.

The economic benefits of piracy:

We'll use Flash as an example. I want everyone to look at the amount of content on this site, and tell me how many pieces of work you believe were done with a Legit copy of Flash.

I'm going to guess, (just a guess) 30%. That's it. 30%. That's what I believe, and that may be high-balling it.

Most of the people here, most of the people who want to learn flash... cannot afford to buy it, or don't want to risk buying it and not liking it. They would NOT work with it if purchasing it was their only option. I might have 'found' Flash MX, when I first started with flash 5-6 years ago... because I wasn't going to pay a shitload of money, for a program I may not be able to work with, and may do nothing for me.

I have since then, doled out wads of cash for versions and updates I wouldn't have otherwise.

So, take into account that 70% of the stuff here is from pirated software. (I know it's a touchy subject, so these are all just rhetorical) We'll use that as a universal number across the web for the sake of it. (and because I believe if Macromedia wanted to stop piracy, they could make it a bit harder to crack than 'hey, here's a keycode, punch it in)

Now, people and companies see what can be done with Flash. Pirated copies help boost Flash to the most highly penetrated media plug in for the internet, because it is accessible.

Now, every graphic design company has to buy Flash Licenses and software for all of it employees.
Now, every freelance who wants to be serious about Flash has to buy software.

People who never would have considered using the program, if they hadn't seen material done by a possibly pirated piece of software, are now aware of it's presence and want to look into the software.

Companies who wouldn't have invested in 100 copies of Flash, via contract.. if they hadn't seen how populated the web was... with content that was possibly pirated.

And don't give me the '30 day trial' bullshit. I didn't realize I loved Flash until I completed something, 2 months later.

It doesn't make it right, and I'm not trying to glamorize it, or promote it... but there are two sides to every story.

I personally think Macromedia/Adobe knows what goes on... and to some degree, sees the benefits of widespread usage, and how that helps them remain the most popular plugin for this medium so long as it's not overly exploited (especially with other companies trying to take a piece of the pie.)

johnny is right!!!

it makes sense thet everyone who submits flash "tests" to the portal hasnt bought the program to do a shitty cartoon about a stickman with a dick, and how does a 13-year old get his hand on over £500?

schools also have to buy the software, one of my current courses includes a big part of it

At 4/20/09 12:12 PM, Johnny wrote: I personally think Macromedia/Adobe knows what goes on... and to some degree, sees the benefits of widespread usage, and how that helps them remain the most popular plugin for this medium so long as it's not overly exploited (especially with other companies trying to take a piece of the pie.)

This is true.
I also think another factor is the
guilt impact it gives to the people who pirate it.
If you think about it, one of the main reasons people pirate
is because their curiosity is greater than their budget.
Those people who are turned off by the software will
most likely never use it again, including for profit.
Since they're not making money, that
shouldn't hurt Adobe's feelings too much.

But then again, the people who love the software
keep using it, and the guilt builds into them that
none of it should be possible;
they don't have a legit copy.
Once they're older and have enough money to get
the legal copy, not only do they get it, but,
Adobe gains a very loyal customer out of
the guilt they've given him/her in the past.

That's why I think their efforts are pretty shallow.

At 4/20/09 12:59 PM, zrb wrote: Buying Flash CS4 soon

Any comments and/or objections about the program ?

Don't do it.

At 4/20/09 12:01 PM, TheCriminalDuder wrote: Me and Darryl are goin' to Downtown Vancouver for the Vansterdam 4/20-

o hey you live in the lower mainland as well? coolio.

Happy 4/20!

Stoners rejoice!

Happy 4/20!

Stoners repent!

4/20

SMOKING IS A SIN! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU

*throws water at the stoners*

On the next few pages can we have something discussed that isn't an illegal activity?

At 4/20/09 03:39 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: On the next few pages can we have something discussed that isn't an illegal activity?

Murder

murder is bad

So have I ever told you guys about that
jaywalking phase I went through? Man,
those were good times.