At 8/15/08 05:10 PM, crushy wrote: AS3 Transition

So how many people have made the shift from AS2 to AS3? AS3 Main has been so empty, why is everybody holding back?

I think most people are comfortable with AS3, and dont see the point in starting again with AS3, well nearly again. Also most noobs look for tutorials and there are mainly AS2 so thats where they start :3

Flash

At 8/15/08 05:10 PM, crushy wrote: To all those who are complaining about lack of productivity, maybe it would help if we talked more about flash :/

Let's talk about flash then. I have a quick question to you guys - where do you get your motivation from? and do you think the source of motivation varies from artists to programmers? From my personal experience I don't really know if there is anything in specific where artists most get their inspiration / motivation from because I never draw, although I guess it could be just about anything that looks cool. For programmers though, I get most of my flash ideas from other flashes and video games, the rest I get from my rl environment (JuicePlz was thought up when I was really liking these juice stands where i live that make amazing juice). However, I also realized that the only times I finished games was when everything I wrote codes for was already drawn and animated. I used to think that I could code entire games using my shitty placeholders and then get an artist to animate it (therefore avoiding the risk of not finishing a game with a partner), but now I realize that it just sucks your motivation away. There's nothing that motivates me more than looking at a really complete engine, like with elaborate backgrounds, smooth animations, and bugless code. My shittly drawn stickmen with one line'd hills platformers just don't work.

Re:Newgrounds Nostalgia

At 8/15/08 04:55 PM, Toast wrote: you must admit there's a big difference in terms of productivity and activity between the regs. Sure, we do have an AS war from times to times, but it doesn't match the endless flash debates, AS quizz threads, AS wars, AS arenas, art showcase threads, and all this kind of things. I think it's not false to say that there was more active people in the inglor times. You could hit refresh every 20 seconds to see someone replying to your posts, here I just find myself refreshing for hours before giving up. No offense to the new regs, but I also think that there were a lot more regs that were extremely good at programming in 2006/05.

Yeah.. I'm with Toast. It may be true that everyone has there own 'golden age' to reminicse about... and for me it was what Toast's calling 'The Inglor times'. This is when I was most into Newgrounds, or atleast this forum. That's when this place was a little community to me. I have drifted away over the past year or two. I feel part of the reason for me drifting away is getting busy, but also loosing the ability to sit and read. I found something interesting yesterday..

This article I found was quite reassuring that others are thinking like me. It's an article about how reading on the internet, possibly deteriorates the way you read. Makes you look for snippets, and scan text's rather than actually read and indulge it.

This is a feeling i've had for a while so finding it (how random was this.. I searched for a picture of Jack Kerouac on PicLen's, the result I liked was from a book review blog, which I 'scanned' and managed to find within the first few blog posts, a link to the article) was reassuring and now i'm trying to counteract this by reading thoroughly.

I feel that posting and reading and replying here so much has done this to me, so I'm suing. Nah just kidding, but yeah I do feel me posting, scanning etc here for so long has done it, as this is the place on the internet I visit the most.

Anybody else back this theory?
LINK to ARTICLE :: Is Google making us stupid?

At 8/15/08 05:26 PM, Toast wrote: Flash

I don't really get my motivation from one thing.

Mainly it's just the things that I do giving me ideas. Most of my most creative ideas I'm not good enough at scripting and animating to carry out.

At 8/15/08 05:26 PM, Toast wrote: Flash

At 8/15/08 05:10 PM, crushy wrote: Motivation

I'd say for animation, my inspiration varies a lot, however it tends to be music most often. When I hear music, ideas immediately spring to mind, usually corresponding to the genre of the song. With music, you can define an entire animation or sequential storyline due to the fact that there are so many characteristics. For example; you can get the speed/tempo, mood and drama all from a part of a song.

The fact that you grow up watching movies and playing games that almost rely on music to enhance the experience of the storyline allows you to be able to link certain experiences and events with specific types of music, therefore your mind thinks back to these experiences and pieces together information much faster.

Other than music, I would say it's just browsing the web, hoping to find something unique and interesting to see, and then getting inspired from that.

At 8/15/08 05:53 PM, crushy wrote: I'd say for animation, my inspiration varies a lot, however it tends to be music most often. When I hear music, ideas immediately spring to mind, usually corresponding to the genre of the song. With music, you can define an entire animation or sequential storyline due to the fact that there are so many characteristics. For example; you can get the speed/tempo, mood and drama all from a part of a song.

Yeah, music helps me alot too. I can't remember who, but someone linked me to menomenas evil bee, that video had me inspired for ages. Good sound direction is all it takes to make or break a game, so listening to music is always good.

AS3

AS3 isn't too different from AS2 if you use it in the same ways. I'm not using document classes or anything yet, because i can be just as functional doing it in as3, but in the as2 way(in the doc). It's not as big a leap as most people believe.

Nostalgia

At 8/15/08 05:27 PM, Mogly wrote: Yeah.. I'm with Toast. It may be true that everyone has there own 'golden age' to reminicse about... and for me it was what Toast's calling 'The Inglor times'. This is when I was most into Newgrounds, or atleast this forum. That's when this place was a little community to me. I have drifted away over the past year or two. I feel part of the reason for me drifting away is getting busy, but also loosing the ability to sit and read. I found something interesting yesterday..

It was great with inglor and denvish about, they knew what they were doing and you could always rely on them. Not that anyone here is bad, but it's certainly different with out neg, inglor and denvish about :(. The old regs (not me) need to have a get together, online or otherwise, it would be a nostalgiafest ;P.

It was great with inglor and denvish about, they knew what they were doing and you could always rely on them. Not that anyone here is bad, but it's certainly different with out neg, inglor and denvish about :(. The old regs (not me) need to have a get together, online or otherwise, it would be a nostalgiafest ;P.

i tried as3 but i could add as to MC so i gave up cos i didnt know where to start any help, as3 is faster and better i believe? but there is less tuts and info compared with as2

Flash Motivation

Sometimes it just pops out of no where and I feel like animating. But most of the times it's not like that and I'll have to force myself to animate.

Bleh we talk about inspiration too much here.

How about where do you all get your perspiration from?

Shut Down the Reg Lounge

I love this place, but the comment about the flash forum being more helpful back in the day got me thinking. I used to make tons of posts helping people, but now all I do is come check this lounge and spam it up with the rest of you then crawl back into my damp cave.

Maybe it would be more beneficial to the flash forum as a whole if this dump were shut down.

Just throwing that out there : (

At 8/15/08 07:18 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: How about where do you all get your perspiration from?

My pits. Sometimes my forehead but not as much. Lots of perspiration in this 90 degree weather.

At 8/15/08 07:18 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Bleh we talk about inspiration too much here.

well the subject is probably raised a lot but I still don't really know how other programmers get their motivation. the only people who talk about inspiration are artists :c . as I said I can't work on flash unless I have graphics that are ready to use. What are your thoughts about it Glaiel?

At 8/15/08 07:26 PM, Toast wrote:

At 8/15/08 07:18 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Bleh we talk about inspiration too much here.

well the subject is probably raised a lot but I still don't really know how other programmers get their motivation. the only people who talk about inspiration are artists :c . as I said I can't work on flash unless I have graphics that are ready to use. What are your thoughts about it Glaiel?

I can work fine without art I just make placeholders. Course the results aren't always pretty

At 8/15/08 07:25 PM, BoMToons wrote: Maybe it would be more beneficial to the flash forum as a whole if this dump were shut down.

Ban the blasphemer! I know what you're talking about, but i don't think the reg lounge is stopping people. If nothing, i know of more good flash artists because of it.

i just got in a manly fight with my brother and he bitchslapped my in the face and now my prescription glasses are completely broken. now i need to get 250 euro so i can buy new glasses or I won't be able to see anything.

please help poor toast get a game sponsored so he can buy new glasses or he will go blind soon.

i beg you.

At 8/15/08 11:11 AM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: I'm the motherfucking fun police!

I swear I didn't ask him to do that :P

At 8/15/08 08:42 PM, Toast wrote: i just got in a manly fight with my brother and he bitchslapped my in the face and now my prescription glasses are completely broken. now i need to get 250 euro so i can buy new glasses or I won't be able to see anything.

please help poor toast get a game sponsored so he can buy new glasses or he will go blind soon.

i beg you.

I hope you are not serious if so make your brother pay..and aren't you like 15 won't your parents pay ? i think he is kidding lol..

inspiration
every time that i see an animated movie or a good animated flash or tv series..

Inspiration

As I programmer I get inspiration from from books, games like Braid on XBLA and Cave Story and sometimes movies. Maybe not so much inspiration for programming as much as game design. I really feel like I haven't done much to move on in actually learning how to program since I got into AS.

But things that inspire me are like the atmosphere and story of games like Braid and Cave Story, how they make you feel for the characters and the story progression. It may be hypocritical, but flash games don't inspire me much, especially the short ones built around a single game mechanic. (And I've done that quite a few times :( )

While Braid brought innovation to the table it also brought a lot of emotion and reward. Cave Story, in my eyes, almost perfected it's gameplay type while not doing much anything new, but the atmosphere it created with the music and the story combined is what inspired me. I really want to stop making little flash games like I've made and start making flash games that aren't just time wasters, something that can immerse you rather then just be fun.

At 8/15/08 07:29 PM, DJ-Divinorum wrote:

At 8/15/08 04:35 PM, Wolfears2 wrote: Oooh, I'm a naughty clock day spamming boy.

What else is new, who isn't nowadays?

I do it for love not for the sake of spamming.

So I guess I'm a flash regular now :3

Dont think so buddy

RE: Inspiration

my inspiration comes from important deadlines and when other people come up with ideas for me :3

Ah the old inspiration topic, lame.

Look at the flash portal top 50 of all time, all the tankmen movies are lined up in order oldest to newest, what the fuck are the chances of that?

At 8/15/08 07:29 PM, DJ-Divinorum wrote: What else is new, who isn't nowadays?

Hardly any of the regs have done it.

I do it for love not for the sake of spamming.

Spam for love... heh.

So I guess I'm a flash regular now :3

Just keep tellin' yourself that darlin'
That post, btw, was one of my blushy posts, which happen every so often detailing my recent "adventures". Like drinking from a toilet. I has also submitted teh carppy audio. My first ever.

STOP POSTING (Although to be fair i havn't been on NG since thursday morning)

not happy! (not about results though, those were fine although i managed to only get a B in italian AS lol which is rather funny)

At 8/15/08 05:27 PM, Mogly wrote: Anybody else back this theory?
LINK to ARTICLE :: Is Google making us stupid?

People need to stop blaming their lack of mental purity on the internet :P

I remember back when I was about eight - I was in bed reading one of the LOTR books. Suddenly I just realised - I'd read through four or five pages without taking anything in. My mind had just wandered to somewhere less boring. The funny thing is, I didn't even get access to a computer untill I was about twelve, let alone the internet.

It's the same as the nostalgia thing - everyone likes to think of a time when they were smarter, happier, more creative, sexier, better connected and whatever. Not many people like to feel that that time is now, otherwise we might feel under pressure to make the most of it, and that would require an unwelcome degree of effort.

Inspiration

I just think of how awesome stuff's going to look once I finish it :) Of course, the result on the outside of my head is generally a lot worse than what's going on inside, but there's nothing wrong with a little ambition.

The following is obviously fake, but extremely funny

This is an actual honest-to-god UCAS personal statement received by a colleague of mine at Southampton University.

I am a dynamic figure, often seen scaling walls and crushing ice. I have been known to remodel train stations on my lunch breaks, making them more effective in the area of heat retention. I translate ethnic slurs for Kenyan regugees, I write award-winning operas, and manage time efficiently. Occasionally i tread water for three days in a row.

I woo women with my sensuous and godlike trombone playing. I can pilot bicycles up severe inclines with unflagging speed, and i cook thirty minute Brownies in twenty minutes.

I am an expert in stucco, a veteran in love, and an outlaw in Peru. Using only a hoe and a large glass of water, I once single-handedly defended a small village in the Amazon basin from a horde of ferocious army ants.

I play bluegrass cello, I had trials for Manchester United, I am the subject of numerous documentaries. When I am bored, I build large suspension bridges in my garden.

I enjoy urban hang gliding. On wednesdays, after school, I repair electrical appliances free of charge.

I am an abstract artist, a concrete analyst, and a ruthless bookie. Critics worldwide swoon over my original line of corduroy evening wear. I don't perspire, I am a private citizen, yet I receive fan mail.

I have appeared on Through the Keyhole and won the gold plaque. Last summer I toured Eastern Europe with a travelling centrigual-force demonstration. I run the 100m in 9.65 secs My deft floral arragements have earned me fame in international botany circles.

Children trust me.

I can hurl tennis rackets at small moving objects with deadly accuracy.
I once read Paradise Lost, Moby Dick, and David Copperfield in one day and still had time to refurbish an entire dining room that eevning.

I know the exact location of every good item in the supermarket. I have performed several covert operations for the CIA. I sleep once a week; when I do sleep, I sleep in a chair. While on vacation in Canada, I successfully negotiated with a group of terrorists who had seized a small bakery.

The laws of Physics do not apply to me. I balance, I weave, I dodge, I frolic, and my bills are all paid. On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full contact Origami. Years ago I discovered the meaning of life but forgot to write it down.

I have made extraordinary four course meals using only some vegetables and a Breville sandwich toaster. I breed prize-winning clams.

I have won bullfights in Madrid, cliff diving competitions in Sri Lanka, and chess competitions at the Kremlin. I have played Hamlet, I have performed open-heart surgery, I have spoken with Elvis.

But i have not yet gone to this University.

Inspiration

I have none, since I havent made anything in three years..

Shutting down the Reg Lounge
I feel that with the reg lounge, new people that arrive in the forum are getting less help than they would have if this wasn't here. Now this could mean that we would stop getting flash regulars and eventually the flash site of the forum could go downhill, with just a handful of people visiting regularly.

On the other hand, with the reg lounge it brings the community together and makes us all known to one another.
I just feel that maybe without it, the flash board would be thriving with more topics and producing more skilled flashers.
Are we neglecting the noobies that come unknowingly?

when you think about it, the community was already 'together' before the reg lounge was even created. everyone knew each other very well just from posting and arguing in AS help threads and such. we didn't need to be brought together.

At 8/16/08 10:33 AM, SweetSkater wrote: I just feel that maybe without it, the flash board would be thriving with more topics and producing more skilled flashers.

I actually disagree... and that feels more of a cop-out by users to not blame what is essentially their own fault to begin with, so this thread becomes the scapegoat. Its suddenly the threads fault you cant open up flash, its the threads fault you dont want to help anyone, its the threads fault russia is invading georgia. Meh, just take a break from things if you feel like its getting distracting to you, its just a thread on the internet. If you guys really feel strongly about it I can lock this puppy up. I have no real attachment to it. I just find it kind of silly that a thread could be the source of this huge decline in the flash scene.

Did everyone see this? The Flash Regs thread appeared to be locked for a moment, but now, the locked icon has disappeared.