At 7/28/08 09:42 PM, zrb wrote: Re: Summer Sucks
Well I live in Canada, and I find that the weather is great. Its hot sometimes, but its no reason to keep away from whats outside. Sadly, there's only about a month left so I try to enjoy what there is.

I live in Canada too.

In an attempt to start slightly more interesting conversation..

Music in Flash

It seems that nowadays everyone puts music in their games and movies..

In my opinion, depending on how it is used, music doesn't always improve a flash..and I feel many people force music into their flashes even if its not needed.

From what I can see, the reason for this is there are always people who leave stupid reviews saying " well I would have given this a 10 but since no music now it gets a 3"

Basically, I have a game but I just can't find any music that fits it so I'm thinking of leaving it soundless aside from some sound effects for the buttons in the menu and instrucions.

Is this a good idea or will I get voted down enough that I would be better off waiting until I find some music that fits into the game better?

At 7/29/08 12:33 AM, zrb wrote:

At 7/29/08 12:32 AM, DawnOfDusk wrote: I did that w/ one really fucking stupid post.

Only 1 ?

Well, I have made dumb posts, but one of mine was just based off of me not reading a bunch of statements put together correctly.

so, I think a chat system just to chill out sounds in order...

Yes it does.

Many people will probably vote it down because of that. Music adds to the mood, but these days, people don't really care what kind of song it is as long as there is background music.
So keep looking !

Seconded, I made a game w/ no sound that got above a 2.5
But alot of ppl in my reviews would take off for the not soundness...

Game.

Keep looking treerung, try the audio portal, your itunes, and maybe download some movie soundtracks.

What type of songs/loops are you looking for? Maybe we can give some suggestions.

At 7/29/08 12:50 AM, Ani-Money wrote: Keep looking treerung, try the audio portal, your itunes, and maybe download some movie soundtracks.

What type of songs/loops are you looking for? Maybe we can give some suggestions.

Some thing rain/rainstorm sounding for the game part and maybe just a light raintrack for the menu and instructions..

yeah. zrb. your EVERYWHERE

At 7/29/08 01:14 AM, zrb wrote: I think I've noticed that.

I wish I coulda congratulated you on your 3000, but its a little late now, so...Late congratz!

At 7/29/08 01:46 AM, SpamBurger wrote: *sigh* I really do miss the old Flash forum days. Not that I don't love your spam and shenanigans *ahem*zrb and NG-Unit*ahem* but, the Flash forum is starting to turn pretty boring, and well crappy :\
Pretty much all there are now are collabs and threads like "hi everyone im almost finished with my game, but i just need the code for an rpg and ill be done thnx". Maybe I'm just nostalgic :(

I'm kinda thinking the same thing as you. Except its even worse for me and I don't know the old regs. I'm starting to realize that I have no place in the flash forum, I mean it's not like I can help anyone unless they have a very simple question. I can't seem to stay focused on learning AS, so I guess that doesn't help my problem.

I am also the same as you in the fact that I'll come back as long as I can just because I have buddies here, and its not like any of you would be disappointed if I left, but it seems like I gained a little respect so I don't wanna lose it.

At 7/28/08 10:25 PM, zrb wrote: But what if there was a chat system in reg lounges that only regs could access ?

If it's only for a small number of people, why not just download the mIRC FireFox add-on and pass out the connection info via PMs to the regulars?

It really is getting filled with more and more spam. I havnt realized it till now. especially zrb. your cool though =P.

HAI DANNY

Geez, you guys need your own thread or something... having 70 percent of the posts on the last 5 pages from the same 2 or 3 people is getting a bit tedious.

Lol. so should i go start a Flash Reg 'Mini" Lounge =P

At 7/29/08 03:10 AM, Blackfang wrote: Lol. so should i go start a Flash Reg 'Mini" Lounge =P

No, you should just PM each other, or exchange e-mails or AIM/MSN screen-names or something.

Like the last 5 or so pages aren't even about anything mostly, its just you guys chit-chatting. I mean, yeah, thats sort of the point of this thread, but at least there should be a topic of discussion.

I just compared starting a new flash doc. as to re-rolling in WoW...

Should I kill myself now?

FGL (flashgamelicense.com)

I've recently learned of this site and it's services and I must say I love it there, and the community as well. Anyone here involved over there? I've seen a few of you around, just thought I would ask what people though of the site and how it works. If your not aware, the site is basically a meeting point for sponsors and devs to get together and showcase games/buy games, it's really handy and I can definitely say that it saves both sponsors and developers time. Anyway, thoughts on the site? Anyone hang there?

At 7/28/08 09:40 PM, Kirk-Cocaine wrote: Summer Sucks

My God I hate summer. It's half two in the bastard morning and it's still like 18°C outside. That's far too hot for our grey rainy island. Fuck.

I don't know what's worse - the annoying warmness in summer (it's worse when your hair's longer :( ) or the depressing early darkness in winter.

If only you could combine the pleasant coolness of winter with the long, happy bright days of summer...

The flash reg lounge here is like the big boy table. We need to create or find a place to dump the lil' brats!

At 7/29/08 05:04 AM, Paranoia wrote: it's worse when your hair's longer :(

My hair is currently down to past my shoulder blades, about a third of the way down my back. It becomes inconvenient unless it's covered by a bandanna.

Especially at seventy miles an hour on a motorcycle.

At 7/29/08 05:36 AM, TheCriminalDuder wrote: The flash reg lounge here is like the big boy table. We need to create or find a place to dump the lil' brats!

Pot. Kettle. Black.

At 7/29/08 01:46 AM, SpamBurger wrote: Maybe I'm just nostalgic :(

We all are. Ironically the only time we seemed to enjoy on the bbs is when we were complete noobs. do you remember the fights we had about one of your game that i thought you used my code in? lol

And btw, consider yourself lucky to be able to play computer games 12 hours a day. I got so much stuff to do here that I wish I could just stop for a few hours and have more time to use flash. oh and videogames aren't an option anyway, even diablo 1 doesn't work on this computer :P

In my opinion, depending on how it is used, music doesn't always improve a flash..and I feel many people force music into their flashes even if its not needed.

From what I can see, the reason for this is there are always people who leave stupid reviews saying " well I would have given this a 10 but since no music now it gets a 3"

Basically, I have a game but I just can't find any music that fits it so I'm thinking of leaving it soundless aside from some sound effects for the buttons in the menu and instrucions.

Is this a good idea or will I get voted down enough that I would be better off waiting until I find some music that fits into the game better?

Music In Games
My first few submissions don't have music. In fact, because I sometimes watched stuff at a uni library and had no headphones, I reviewed a few submissions without even hearing them. :-/

I now realise that whilst you can get by from a functional viewpoint without sound, it's just ignoring another channel of engaging viewers/players. The old point - to watch a film without sound and see how much of its impact is lost - may not seem relevant to games, but the basic point - that music can engage us emotionally or set a mood - is still true.

Well chosen music can benefit any game - a fast-paced tempo can reinforce a rapidly dwindling time limit or a slow legato piece can signal to us that it's OK to slow down and think things through. Unless it's entirely abstract, every game has a balance of poignance, joy, rage and myriad other emotions in its themes and execution. Even entirely abstract work has a tempo (and often emotions evoked from the execution). Mirroring that in the music just strengthens the entire experience.

The sound also functions as a source of feedback - telling us when a notable event has occured, whether it be a successfully landed punch, correct guess or whatever - and this should be employed even if you're not striving for any particular mood.

Having sfx for menu buttons seems almost superfluous. Not that there's anything wrong with a subtle little 'celebration' after clicking, but I'd definitely suggest focusing on sfx for in-game feedback as a higher priority.

I think agonistic players (often seeking fiero) will care more about sound as a mode of feedback than for setting the mood - something that appeals to what Chris Bateman calls 'mimicry-based play'. On Newgrounds, I think there may be more agonistic players - maybe reducing the necessity of mood-setting music.

Regardless, even if it's "not needed", I think it almost always helps.

Making other games
I just wondered - how many people have experimented in formally designing non-electronic games, whether it's a board game, card game or whatever?

On that note, are there any big boardgame, RPG, CCG or traditional-playing-card-game players? I vaguely remember Kayn exposing himself as an RPG player.

At 7/28/08 04:42 PM, patu1 wrote: just hit me
That except Toast and paranoia and mods i was here before all of you guys.
Makes me sad =[ i miss all the old regs...

Bullshit.

Anyways, don't be an arse. Yearning for the old days is cool, but hyping yourself up just seems unnecessary and condescending.

+1 posts
It saddens me to see this thread filled with mainly either spam or complaints of spam. I mean, there's a bunch of talented, intelligent people here. Why can't this be filled with meaningful discussion - talking about what makes

More and more, I feel like the time spent skimming this thread is just wasted. Was I wrong all along - is this just a place to herd off the spam and not a forum for intelligent discussion at all? :-(

Before posting a topic, please ask yourself the following question: "Am I making a post which is either funny, informative, or interesting on some level?" If you can answer "yes" to this, then please post. If you cannot, then refrain.

Before replying, please ask yourself: "Does my reply offer any significant advice or help contribute to the conversation in any fashion?"

Para: You're coming to UK Meet 3, right? We'll have a long hair and silliest hat contest. :p

Postcount +1

More and more, I feel like the time spent skimming this thread is just wasted. Was I wrong all along - is this just a place to herd off the spam and not a forum for intelligent discussion at all? :-(

Before posting a topic, please ask yourself the following question: "Am I making a post which is either funny, informative, or interesting on some level?" If you can answer "yes" to this, then please post. If you cannot, then refrain.

Before replying, please ask yourself: "Does my reply offer any significant advice or help contribute to the conversation in any fashion?"

QFT.

I've had to send a few PMs to people who are starting to post for the hell of it. Spamming is the least of my concerns - it's the pwning n00bs aspect I'm starting to frown on heavily here. Gust's done it for years, but at least all his posts end up having some actual grain of advice or a solution to the problem while he's insulting people - most people seem to be ripping threads apart because they've got nothing better to do.

Seriously people. If you really have nothing better to do or nothing to contribute to the forum other than trolling criticism or spam venting, turn off Firefox, IE and Safari, and go open Flash. Do ten minutes animation work instead.

Geeky Hobby Tiem

At 7/29/08 08:57 AM, Bezman wrote: Making other games
I just wondered - how many people have experimented in formally designing non-electronic games, whether it's a board game, card game or whatever?

On that note, are there any big boardgame, RPG, CCG or traditional-playing-card-game players?
I vaguely remember Kayn exposing himself as an RPG player.

I do this from time to time. I'm a big fan of Exalted and most Steve Jackson card games. I play a lot of 40K still and know the rules to Magic. Could probably play L5R in a pinch as well.

I've tried planning my own NG Card Game, and then sat with the group of the second UK Meetup and done the same. I've tried board game design. I love it. But I don't make anything especially novel by the end of it and so consign the half concieved ideas to my mental scrapbin and move on.

The hard part is coming up with something clever without making it overly complex.

Kinda parallels really, really closely with CG design...

My post
I never meant to try to make myself cooler. I just meant that i miss all the regs that were here a long long time before me...Because i don't know, it actually feels kinda weird not to be the newst...Bez <3
being helpfull
i think that people should start posting new intresting topics to the flash forum or ruviving old ones like animation main flash freestyle battle's when i will get home i'll get back to it =]

At 7/29/08 09:09 AM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: Para: You're coming to UK Meet 3, right? We'll have a long hair and silliest hat contest. :p

Someone bring some GHD's and we can straighten each others hair. That's the only fair way to judge the actual length.

You guys should have a haircut party.

RE: FGL (flashgamelicense.com)

I get on there about once every two days or so. You always get such great feedback on all of your games. Also I have noticed that if you leave feedback on someone else's games they almost always will leave some feedback on your games.
Great site!

I decided to submit an animation I made for my girlfriend for our 1 year anniversary. I wasnt sure whether I should submit it or not... but i put sooo much work into it I just thought fuck it, why shouldnt other people see it?

link!

At 7/29/08 05:04 AM, Paranoia wrote: If only you could combine the pleasant coolness of winter with the long, happy bright days of summer...

Wouldn't that be called "fall"

Speaking of it... It, in my opinion, in the most beautiful time of year for anything, especially watching the sunset.... *awe*

At 7/29/08 11:56 AM, Treerung wrote: RE: FGL (flashgamelicense.com)

I get on there about once every two days or so. You always get such great feedback on all of your games. Also I have noticed that if you leave feedback on someone else's games they almost always will leave some feedback on your games.
Great site!

I'm going to sign up for that... interesting. *thanks you*

At 7/29/08 05:04 AM, Paranoia wrote: I don't know what's worse - the annoying warmness in summer (it's worse when your hair's longer :( ) or the depressing early darkness in winter.

My summers been okay, of course though in June i dislocated my knee, making it so i couldn't do anything physical until the middle of July; which sucked. =/.

I also have long hair, but mine only goes down to my shoulders. It really does get hot. =/

Sometimes i can never sleep during the summer too. i love being covered when i sleep, and in summer its just too damn hot.

If only you could combine the pleasant coolness of winter with the long, happy bright days of summer...

Yeah that would be really amazing. If winter had very long days like summer, id love winter soo much.

At 7/29/08 03:10 AM, Blackfang wrote: Lol. so should i go start a Flash Reg 'Mini" Lounge =P

Surprisingly I don't think I'm part of the problem here. Not saying that I'm helping, but I'm not making it worse :P

At 7/29/08 12:31 PM, J1mp wrote: I decided to submit an animation I made for my girlfriend for our 1 year anniversary. I wasnt sure whether I should submit it or not... but i put sooo much work into it I just thought fuck it, why shouldnt other people see it?

link!

That was beautiful man. I'm sure your girlfriend loved it! The effort put into that definitely shows, and it's easy to tell which scenes/moments of the event you really enjoyed and cared about. Especially when you two first meet and all the colors pour out from around you. It feels like that, sometimes, doesn't it?

Nice work man, keep it up.