I have more to say. One is why the fuck people are licking NG's balls saying "Please don't ban my account! I vote fairly!" You ppl make me sick. Why don't you remove NG's dick from your ass, because you are all acting like begging little bitches with no dignity. Also you people really contridict yourself saying to blam movies with porn and offensive material? Oh really? Well I suppose having dress up games and porn links on your site is okay? Why the hell should users kiss your ass because you run the website? Throw people off the site for not kissing ass, and half the users will be gone. I'll throw as much shit that I have to say onto these posts as I want, because my opinion matters like all the people who support this crap.
At 1/10/03 09:14 PM, Boo_Destroyer wrote: Alright, I'm not voting 0 on many things now.
But after you said all this, Wade, I really think the sayings of the voting icons when you hover your mouse over them should change!
Seriously!
Here are some ideas for them...
5 - YEAH, NOTHING CAN BEAT THIS!!!
4 - One of the best Portal entries so far!
3 - That really was nice! Took a great deal of work!
2 - Good effort, but not really my liking.
1 - This is effortless trash or just plain text! Why is it even here?!
0 - Stolen, really sick, or cruel - GET OUT!
At 1/10/03 04:38 PM, Hang10Fett wrote: I would rather you just take away their experience without warning them though.
Yeah, well, thats cause you're a clock, and clock movies always get blammed.
Clock movies always get blammed? Clocks movies get blammed WAY less that non-clock movies idiot. And that's not because of unfair voting.
In reply to Tamarat69r:
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Well, bye, dumbfuck.
Fulps: 1
Idiots: 0
Of course the users can vote however they want, stooge. By 'however they want' I mean they watch the movie and then they decide how good it is on a 0-5 grading scale. If Tom or Wade tried to regulate our decisions then they would be having ideas similar to Hitler, or someone of that line (Well, minus the killing). What they ARE trying to regulate is the people who vote 0 on every last thing they see. Unless you're the greatest Flash animator on Earth, you can't say that everything you see sucks, no matter what. Truthfully, that is.
I'm going to try and put this into a new perpsective that should be easier to understand in a few ways. Bob, George, Jim, James, and Emily are all running for President. On election day nobody votes for Emily just 'cause she's a girl. That's how it is with Clock movies. They don't care how good something is, but they don't like a person/group of people they don't like getting a position of power, so they don't vote for them. Who knows, Emily could of made a World Peace Treaty! Just like a Clock movie that got blammed could of been a movie that people would compare Pico 2 to.
George thinks marijuana should be legal. No one votes for him 'cause he has ideas that are different than yours. It's like that for Stick movies. A lot of people make stick movies 'cause they can't draw. How can your critisize someone on a skill they don't excel at? That's like making fun of a mentally retarded person 'cause they don't know Calculus. If I were to make a movie I'd prolly get more reviews saying the graphics suck than I would if I made a stick movie. There are a ton of good stick things. Look at Xiao Xiao! If George can show us why marijuana should be legal rather than just saying 'Because pot is cool.' then he may stand a chance. Even if you still don't like the way the person does something, at least score the thing according to how well the animation was done.
Jim is a known anarchist. No one is going to vote for an anarchist (except for you cool rebellion people). That's how the Tricky movies are. While a lot of the stuff on NG about Tricky is all the same (crap, in other words), there are one or two that have Tricky that don't suck. There was one shooting game that had Tricky in it, and it's score was around a 2.5. And that was mainly because people didn't like Tricky being in there.
James is a jackass, but his views on subjects are good, and he's probably the best candidate for president. A lot of people on the BBS may seem to be incredible pricks, but they may have made some great Flash movies. But, all his movies are blammed 'cause people don't like him as a person. This sorta goes under the Clock thing, too, though.
Bob is the only person that everyone likes. He's a veteran of 3 different wars, and is an all-around nice guy. Everyone votes for him 'cause everyone knows who he is, and everyone thinks of him as a good person. They don't care what he's representing. They just vote for him. That's how it is for stuff submitted by people like Synj, Tom, Wade, Section8Studios, etc, etc, etc. I like most the stuff they submit, but I watch it first.
I'm sure some people saw stuff submitted by these people and voted 5 right away, so they'd get the protection point before there were 100 votes, without viewing it. I think I did that on Domo-Kun (But I have dial-up, and Domo-Kun ended up being a great game, so I have a half-assed excuse).
In my opinion, that's how large groups of things are being voted on.
There's also the people that vote 0 on stuff without ever watching it (in one of my previous posts I may of sounded like one of those people, but I'm really not), but I'm not going to get into that.
Tom and Wade seem to be asking us to vote on the movie, not the person. Blam-Clock keeps yapping about blamming stuff that people put work into. If it sucks and they 'say' they put work into it, it's ok to blam. But if they say they put work into it and it's the greatest thing ever, protect it. Simple? Yes. Tom and Wade are smart enough to know when people are lying about putting work into it. We all should be.
It seems like all of this voting is caused by things about the person or their ideas. People aren't grading the animations on the content. I hope my little essay provided some insight for those who seemed to misinterpret Tom and Wade's posts (Although I may be missing the point, too). I wish I could reply to everyone that's replied so far, but that's even too long for me, and I think I covered a good amount of the major problems. I hope I didn't offend anyone or anything... Thanks for reading, and such.
At 1/10/03 05:32 PM, Blam-Clock wrote: lol wat a dumbass, this probably isnt because of, ur just one onf the many people that complained because there crappy movies get blammed. So it isnt really because of just U!! its probably because of a thousand losers who suck at animation that emailed wade and tom to start this.
You are a dumbass. You think Wade is making this shit up? There was a BIG problem with people blamming all new movies. Tons of people noticed it and good movie were getting blammed. You are such an idiot that it's pointless to talk to you. Get a life. You aren't even a clock so why pretend like you are?
I read the entire post by Viking, and towards the end you bring up the whole subject the arguement again, instead of proposing something to think strongly about. You saying that someone put effort into a movie and its the greatest thing ever is a restatement of the arguement. Something that you think was the greatest thing ever, might be incredibly dumb to someone else, which is why people have different minds, and not the same. The thing that the people against this are trying to say is that if the Fulps think a movie is the greatest thing ever, and someone else thinks its incredibly dumb, the Fulps can threaten with the deleting of account in order to get people on their side. By saying to vote 1 or 2 on a movie even if it is terrible in their eyes, is trying to get people to go against themselves and their own thoughts. I agree that this blam club thing and mindless blammers that do it just to be asswipes should be dealt with, but when people like me and several other people that give 0's when we think that a movie sucks IN OUR OWN OPINION, get this warning of account deletion, that is just wrong. NG needs to learn to respect people's opinions, instead of threatening them to vote good, just because they think its good.
At 1/10/03 09:51 PM, Spontaneous416 wrote: I read the entire post by Viking, and towards the end you bring up the whole subject the arguement again, instead of proposing something to think strongly about. You saying that someone put effort into a movie and its the greatest thing ever is a restatement of the arguement. Something that you think was the greatest thing ever, might be incredibly dumb to someone else, which is why people have different minds, and not the same. The thing that the people against this are trying to say is that if the Fulps think a movie is the greatest thing ever, and someone else thinks its incredibly dumb, the Fulps can threaten with the deleting of account in order to get people on their side. By saying to vote 1 or 2 on a movie even if it is terrible in their eyes, is trying to get people to go against themselves and their own thoughts. I agree that this blam club thing and mindless blammers that do it just to be asswipes should be dealt with, but when people like me and several other people that give 0's when we think that a movie sucks IN OUR OWN OPINION, get this warning of account deletion, that is just wrong. NG needs to learn to respect people's opinions, instead of threatening them to vote good, just because they think its good.
I agree completely. I reread the post after I posted it and I myself thought it was a bit redundant. But what I've found is people are calling the voting system a democracy. That's what it is, for the most part. People can think that when (if?) Pico 2 comes out it's not great. But in very rare cases can you think it's bad enough to deserve a 0. If there's one person that dislikes something, there's a good chance there are others that don't like it either.
Rockman Neo (The current #1 of all time, at around 4/5 votes) is a good movie in most opions. Others don't like it. That's ok. But rarely will you get people that will vote 0 on it. And then 99% of those people are going to say something like 'I hate it because I couldn't beat the Megaman games' or 'The music sucks.', if they even watched it all, which may be causing problems.
I don't think Tom and Wade are trying to sway us towards voting higher, but rather to grade the content, and not the minor things.
At 1/10/03 07:11 PM, rilstix wrote: Warning people for voting 0 won't change anything. They'll still be wankers that must vote 0 on everything just so they can get a few more blam points.
Again, most people who vote 0 on crap are justified in doing so. We get a ton of crap submitted and it should be BLAMMED. We're just saying some people are voting 0 on everything that comes in without watching it. These are the people we will go after. If we remove all their points they will have less of an impact, and what fun will racking their points up be if they just get taken away? The reason we give everyone so many points is so we have a way to control them. If you deposited your experience points everyday for a year and I say "Hey you! You're being naughty! Stop it or your account is gone!" there is a good chance they will listen in fear of lossing all their hard work.
At 1/10/03 07:36 PM, Channel_Cat wrote: What the hell? You have no right to take away experience points. People spend the time every day to go to newgrounds. If you take away experience then they'll fuck off and leave. I personally only vote 0 and 5 because of this: When there are 1000s of users that have 100x the voting power than me, voting correctly on a submission will have no effect. To even have a chance to change the score you MUST vote 0 or 5. I think the experience system is getting out of hand. Too many users have too much experience. It makes me feel like a dot in the crowd. Only those who are close friends of tom or are able to use newgrounds every day can make a difference.
We give users with more experience more voting power because we expect them to be better judges of Flash content. If they are not responsible with the added power we give them, we will take it away and we have that right. If you're in the army for 4 years and earn a high rank, a big fat pay check, but then do something to really fuck up, guess what, they have the right to kick your ass out and take away your paycheck! The bottom line, you have no rights on NG, only priveledges.
At 1/10/03 08:57 PM, Spontaneous416 wrote:
I see things on front page that I think are crap, because they are virtually stupid, and I blam em. I wont be nice to a stupid movie because it was drawn well. If you people wanna judge by effort and what it looks like, go to a fucking art exhibit, they revolve around art and well made pictures.
I hate to burts your bubble, but once a movie has 100 votes you can't blam it anymore. If a movie is on the front page it has well over 100 votes.
hey so members of the staff actually take the time to read these and respond. Anyway I knew that you cant blam a movie after well over 100 votes, but that's not what I was talking about. I don't care about blamming off the front page, I care about getting my opinion out there and getting some responses too my insight. What I don't like is being warned about my supposed bad behavior when getting my opinions out there. Since when was it considered bad to blam out movies because I think they are terrible. Personally I dont care wether every other member of this site, or even staff members like a movie. I care about if I like it. If people get mad, they should try voting to bring the rating up from my blam, not yelling at me to vote if differently. If people care about certain Flash movies they like that are getting blammed, they should come vote for it to bring its rating up. I didnt post to know what can be blammed and what cant I already know. All I think that is fair is both sides are considered in this. Like I said before, people who vote low on purpose shouldnt be voting in the first place. So my bubble wasnt really bursted when I already know what you told me.
I don't have much objection to not voting 0's on everything. I vote fairly, but there's the matter of if they put effort into something.
If someone sends a movie that has lots of flashing colors and a delicatly drawn flopping penis, I'm voting zero.
"I put effort into that! I had to choose those colors carefully! They weren't chosen at random! The penis is well drawn! There was background music! The flopping is at 80 frames per second! It was hard and took me a whole month to make!"
You just wasted a month of your life. I don't give a shit if you were submitting something you find very artistic and/or funny. It licked donkey balls and sucked monkey ass! Me and the rest of NG will reign hellfire on your movie because it blows. Deal with it or fix it!
"Life is short and filled with stuff"~The Cramps
Maybe there are some users who blam everything unconditionally, and that sucks, but I'm not going to change the way I vote. The great stuff gets 4, the good stuff 3, the okay stuff 2, the crap stuff 1, and the craptacular stuff, 0, and I blam a lot, especially on new submissions, because they're mostly crap. I do not vote five, strange as that may seem and have only voted 5 three times (From my room, Super Console Wars 1/2) because I think that should be reserved for only the best of the best flash.
ALl of you complaining realize this is not a public site. for all they wanted to the fulps could merely remove the bbs and have a simple frontpage wit no comments. Where else would u guys have to express yourselves? nowhere? in the chat room! give me a break! i doubt anyone who come to newgrounds came to chat. the only good thing in this site is its movies and all of u really have no right. no matter whether ur an american or not. ur rights end where others begin. so as far as im concerned, the fulps can do what they wish to this site since it is theirs. or at least its because they run it. "OH YEAH WEL ILL LEAVE!" u might say. So what? ur just another shitty voter. its not like newgrounds losing a few members would hurt it. its a massive entertainment machine which grows even more popular everyday as its passed by word of mouth or on tv, as it has been for eons. So fuck u all who complain. Newgrounds can do as they wish and u cant do shit about it. Write to ur congressman?! I'd like to see u try, and if u did, what good would it do for u. HE/she wouldnt even bother reading it. Stupid fucks, its like an piece of paper trying to bring down this fucking huge giant. u cant do shit to newgrounds. MUAHAHAHAHAH!!!
and to all u stupid cocksuckers who give me this bullshit about america being the land of the free suck my donkey nuts! for one thing u shithead in that case then the fulps have every right to do as they please wit newgrounds. u have no fucking right! this is no public domain! this is fulp property not public domain. so dont be stupid and say u have some right to do some crappy freespeech. retards, for americans ur all asswipes who dont know ur own damn laws. kids in honduras and kenya know ur own governments functions and laws better than u all? should u care? no, but it should disturb u. stupid retards.
At 1/10/03 10:14 PM, WadeFulp wrote: We give users with more experience more voting power because we expect them to be better judges of Flash content. If they are not responsible with the added power we give them, we will take it away and we have that right. If you're in the army for 4 years and earn a high rank, a big fat pay check, but then do something to really fuck up, guess what, they have the right to kick your ass out and take away your paycheck! The bottom line, you have no rights on NG, only priveledges.
it is funny how he says we have no rights on this site. which is true mind you. but, here is another thing thing that is true. It was tom and wade taht made the new voting system. so either way someone votes. you get a point. in the old system if you are the one to blam it you are the one to get the point. and here is anothr thing. without the users this site wouldn't be anything. the users are what make this site great. the users are the one who submit the movies that people love and come back to teh site to watch over and over again. (I am not one of those people cause I don't use flash.) I mean they fulps get mad at us. but, this is THIER system. they made we use it. not our fault that people vote zero just to get a point. in teh old system a vote really mattered.
At 1/10/03 10:57 PM, eskimosotero wrote: and to all u stupid cocksuckers who give me this bullshit about america being the land of the free suck my donkey nuts! for one thing u shithead in that case then the fulps have every right to do as they please wit newgrounds. u have no fucking right! this is no public domain! this is fulp property not public domain. so dont be stupid and say u have some right to do some crappy freespeech. retards, for americans ur all asswipes who dont know ur own damn laws. kids in honduras and kenya know ur own governments functions and laws better than u all? should u care? no, but it should disturb u. stupid retards.
Who the hell cares about kids from other kids knowing our laws? Is your post supposed to prove that your an anarchist or something, bitching about free speech laws being crap? True they may be able to do what they want with their own website, but you can't run a website like a business as they do, and place threats on users. Just think what would happen is internet providers did this to people who look up pornography. Granted, this is miniscule compared to internet services, but the example is basically the same as whats going on here.
i think the idea of leveling up is what makes people get so anxious to get exp. click on a movie vote whatever and get exp and not care about the hard work that was put into it. its lazyness that harms movies when they are being judged. it takes less than a second to vote on maybe a really fantastic movie, so maybe what should be done is have the voting bar accesable only after the movie is done. probably wont work but oh well. its what happens when just anyone is allowed to vote, cmon, giving vote power to anyone is just asking them to be assholes. its how some people become happy.
It's so easy to get your experience though. All you have to do is vote on five movies you like. I think we should be able to vote + or - AND 0-5 on submissions under judgement. I don't like voting 1 on protected submissions and then not getting a protection point, even though they end up having a score like 1.07
At 1/10/03 10:57 PM, eskimosotero wrote: suck my donkey nuts! u have no fucking right!retards, for americans ur all asswipes who dont know ur own damn laws. kids in honduras and kenya know ur own governments functions and laws better than u all? should u care? no, but it should disturb u. stupid retards.
Go Back To Canada.
At 1/10/03 11:09 PM, night_raider wrote: i think the idea of leveling up is what makes people get so anxious to get exp. click on a movie vote whatever and get exp and not care about the hard work that was put into it. its lazyness that harms movies when they are being judged. it takes less than a second to vote on maybe a really fantastic movie, so maybe what should be done is have the voting bar accesable only after the movie is done. probably wont work but oh well. its what happens when just anyone is allowed to vote, cmon, giving vote power to anyone is just asking them to be assholes. its how some people become happy.
i agree with this completely. Some people do act like assholes when they have voting power. I just didn't like how this was almost completely generalized to about everyone who ever posted a 0
At 1/10/03 11:19 PM, Spontaneous416 wrote:At 1/10/03 11:09 PM, night_raider wrote: i think the idea of leveling up is what makes people get so anxious to get exp. click on a movie vote whatever and get exp and not care about the hard work that was put into it. its lazyness that harms movies when they are being judged. it takes less than a second to vote on maybe a really fantastic movie, so maybe what should be done is have the voting bar accesable only after the movie is done. probably wont work but oh well. its what happens when just anyone is allowed to vote, cmon, giving vote power to anyone is just asking them to be assholes. its how some people become happy.i agree with this completely. Some people do act like assholes when they have voting power. I just didn't like how this was almost completely generalized to about everyone who ever posted a 0
People should read the entire thread of things, to get the idea. I think at one point Wade said they were after 20-50 people, and at another point said 99.999% of the people were ok. I don't see how that's 'everyone'.
i agree with this completely. Some people do act like assholes when they have voting power. I just didn't like how this was almost completely generalized to about everyone who ever posted a 0
what i meant was the users who go clicking away at random entries and expect exp and blam points. Ive done my share of blams, and i made sure they deserved it. and thanks for agreeing wit me
At 1/10/03 11:28 PM, Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck wrote: hey u no what wade fulp u and tom are both sexist queers we are saving ur site by getting rid of crap and saving ur bandwidth. the least u could do is thank us for voting off these crap movies, not get pissed off. we can vote how we want. i am gonna relate u to saddam hussein for no reason just cus i feel like it even though u are no way like him. haha i taunt u and piss u off yet u do nothing all u can do is ban me from this site or something SADDAM! I know ur big secret u and tom are really spies from iraq and ur workin for suddam. u no where mr laden is dont u. HUH HUH!!!!!!
well you are one of the few users who si not scared to say how he feels. I take it you don't care if they remove your account for bashing them huh?
I find it distasteful when I finish reviewing a movie, which I thought need some work, but say I gave it a 5. Then, as soon as I go pack to the Portal Front page I either see it in red lettering, or gone already. Or, the "beloved" Newgrounds Graveyard...uhh.
Ryan
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How you doin?
At 1/10/03 11:28 PM, Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck wrote: hey u no what wade fulp u and tom are both sexist queers we are saving ur site by getting rid of crap and saving ur bandwidth. the least u could do is thank us for voting off these crap movies, not get pissed off. we can vote how we want. i am gonna relate u to saddam hussein for no reason just cus i feel like it even though u are no way like him. haha i taunt u and piss u off yet u do nothing all u can do is ban me from this site or something SADDAM! I know ur big secret u and tom are really spies from iraq and ur workin for suddam. u no where mr laden is dont u. HUH HUH!!!!!!
LIEK OMG U REBL UR SO KEWL THAT IM GO33N 2 DO THAT 2!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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Yeah, you're cool. Fight the power, brother! I hope you're on some shitty IP no one else uses so Wade can ban you and people don't have to waste their time reading your stuff and becoming dumber.
