At 5/20/09 01:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I really do understand your point. But when I tell someone Bullet For My Valentine is not metal, I'm not doing it cause I dislike them or see em as inferior to any metal, but because it simply isn't metal.

They are Metal. Just not Metal enough to be tr00. Due to da -core.

At 5/20/09 01:31 PM, Nev wrote:

At 5/20/09 01:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I really do understand your point. But when I tell someone Bullet For My Valentine is not metal, I'm not doing it cause I dislike them or see em as inferior to any metal, but because it simply isn't metal.

They are Metal. Just not Metal enough to be tr00. Due to da -core.

ZOMG... who in the metal hell is that dumb?... ooooooh.... don't tell me, I think I know...

so anyone.... The Human Abstract?... Protest The Hero?...

At the suggestion of a HeavenDuff, I request entry into this club/crew.

Not too many bands off the top of my head, but System basically got me into modern music.
I'm not huge on nu-metal in general, but metalcore can be great when done right.

System of A Down
A Day to Remember
Five Finger Death Punch
The Mongoloids (leaning towards more hardcore though)
Trivium

I'm definitely open to more bands.

At 5/20/09 09:36 PM, TheWhatsit wrote: At the suggestion of a HeavenDuff, I request entry into this club/crew.

Hey :)

but metalcore can be great when done right.

that's what I have ever said!
The problem is that 90% of metalcore sucks... but the 10% that doesn't... is pure gold!

Five Finger Death Punch

I never really know if this band is hardcore or... metal...
somebody help me :O

I'm definitely open to more bands.

need help? ok :P

I put a * for my personnal favorites

Metalcore:

As I Lay Dying
Atreyu
Bullet For My Valentine
Killswitch Engage
Parkway Drive
Shadows Falls

Deathcore:

All Shall Perish
All That Remains *
Bring Me The Horizon
Despised Icon
Glass Casket *
God Falls (from QC)
The Agonist (from QC)
Through The Eyes Of The Dead
Vanna

Progressive Deathcore :

Between The Buried And Me

Progressive Metalcore :

The Human Abstract *
Protest The Hero

At 5/20/09 10:50 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 5/20/09 09:36 PM, TheWhatsit wrote: At the suggestion of a HeavenDuff, I request entry into this club/crew.

Hey :)

but metalcore can be great when done right.

that's what I have ever said!
The problem is that 90% of metalcore sucks... but the 10% that doesn't... is pure gold!

Five Finger Death Punch

I never really know if this band is hardcore or... metal...
somebody help me :O

I'm definitely open to more bands.

need help? ok :P

I put a * for my personnal favorites

Metalcore:

As I Lay Dying
Atreyu
Bullet For My Valentine
Killswitch Engage
Parkway Drive
Shadows Falls

Deathcore:

All Shall Perish
All That Remains *
Bring Me The Horizon
Despised Icon
Glass Casket *
God Falls (from QC)
The Agonist (from QC)
Through The Eyes Of The Dead
Vanna

Progressive Deathcore :

Between The Buried And Me

Progressive Metalcore :

The Human Abstract *
Protest The Hero

Oh yeah man, I've heard of some of these guys! I'll look into all this stuff as soon as possible. Also, as for deathcore, I recently saw Suicide Silence, holy shit were they intense.

At 5/20/09 09:16 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: ZOMG... who in the metal hell is that dumb?... ooooooh.... don't tell me, I think I know...

Whats this got to do with being stupid?
It is Metal, listen to Scavenger of Human Sorrow by Death and you'll hear the riff every Metalcore band uses. And thats a riff by Death, who are like the best Metal band ever. So there's elements of Metal in Metalcore (besides that riff too) but its overpowered by lame vocals and chuggy, chuggy, chuggs.

And I think the Hand of Blood EP by Bullet is great :).

At 5/21/09 08:42 AM, Aci6 wrote: So I went to the CD shop today and they didn't have The Architects new album which I've been itching for for quite a while after reading a review on said album. Sounds alright anyway.
Bring Me The Horizon, are these guys any good? I wouldn't mind extending the library...

BMTH has way too much breakdowns... and the worst emo vocalist in the world...
but I still enjoy them sometimes...

and em... to Nev...
a genre that is influenced by another is not making these genres the same genre.
so metalcore is influenced by metal... but only a few core bands are metal for me...
Threat Signal and All That Remains would be two.

At 5/21/09 08:12 PM, Aci6 wrote:

At 5/21/09 07:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: BMTH has way too much breakdowns... and the worst emo vocalist in the world...
but I still enjoy them sometimes...

And by emo vocalist you mean...? High-pitched? Terrible pitching?

More like bad vocals. He doesn't have any kind of power in his voice. He just shouts all of his screams and never make long and sustained (if that's the correct word :P) screams.

And these guys just look like cross-dressers :P

At 5/21/09 07:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: a genre that is influenced by another is not making these genres the same genre.
so metalcore is influenced by metal... but only a few core bands are metal for me...

It's not like they're infuence in a minute way. Metal is a big influence on Metalcore... hence the METAL bit. The Hardcore Punk influence is the other big influence. If you were to emphasis the influence through the use of caps you'd get metalCORE. Which is why us tr00 folk don't accept it as Metal.

And I mean 'us' as in, the folks in the Metal Hell. Not you and me, cause you clearly don't think there is a significant Metal influence in Metalcore, and because of that you're wrong :P.

At 5/22/09 06:55 PM, Nev wrote:

At 5/21/09 07:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: a genre that is influenced by another is not making these genres the same genre.
so metalcore is influenced by metal... but only a few core bands are metal for me...

It's not like they're infuence in a minute way. Metal is a big influence on Metalcore... hence the METAL bit. The Hardcore Punk influence is the other big influence. If you were to emphasis the influence through the use of caps you'd get metalCORE. Which is why us tr00 folk don't accept it as Metal.

Maybe you got me wrong. Remember all the shit I've made in the Hell a year ago? I was actually saying that Metalcore is metal and that it should be accepted as metal.
But I was talking about the metal bands who are more influenced by metal than hardcore... so METALcore, to make a compare it to what you said. Bands like All That Remains, Threat Signal and the likes...

And I mean 'us' as in, the folks in the Metal Hell. Not you and me, cause you clearly don't think there is a significant Metal influence in Metalcore, and because of that you're wrong :P.

Yes, I do think there is a significant Metal influence in Metalcore, I just see it as a fusion of two genres. So There is a lot of METAL in metalcore music. And I'm not trying to find if there is "enough" metal in metalcore for it to be called metal... I'm actually just putting a kind of "separation" between those two genres, no matter how much they are influenced by each other.

And if you want a kind of proof that they are two different genres. Just look at the typical fans of both genres (no sub-genres included) and you'll see a big difference. Also core fans do not "thrash", they do hardcore dancing. They crave for the breakdowns, as a lot of metalheads do not like them... and most important of all... most fans of both genres do not like the other genre.
We are in a very small community of people who like both genres...

At 5/22/09 07:42 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: We are in a very small community of people who like both genres...

For once I'm happy with the compromised that has been reached :).

And I'm not really into Metalcore much, I like old Trivium, Killswitch and Bullet's 'Hand of Blood' EP but thats about it.
I'm here more because of Nu-Metal as I like the nostalgia I get when listening to it... especially Hybrid Theory. What an album :D.

At 5/22/09 07:59 PM, Nev wrote:

At 5/22/09 07:42 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: We are in a very small community of people who like both genres...

For once I'm happy with the compromised that has been reached :).

nice :)

And I'm not really into Metalcore much

not nice :(

I'm here more because of Nu-Metal as I like the nostalgia I get when listening to it... especially Hybrid Theory. What an album :D.

Pretty good... but Imo... Nu-Metal is played by lazy musicians way too often...
A lot of nu-metal are always using the same simple commercial structures and use simple lyrical themes like anger, violence, agressivity, destruction, pain and the likes.

Sup guys, I'm in Metal Hell, but I feel I'd also benefit from talking to you lot seeing as I like a lot of metalcore and nu-metal bands too :p

Do I have to post a list of bands I like to get entry?

At 6/20/09 02:02 PM, ZpLiNtEh wrote: Sup guys, I'm in Metal Hell, but I feel I'd also benefit from talking to you lot seeing as I like a lot of metalcore and nu-metal bands too :p

Do I have to post a list of bands I like to get entry?

Just list your favorite bands so we can know who you are :)

I already read some stuff you wrote in the Hell, I like your tastes :)

At 6/20/09 08:21 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
Just list your favorite bands so we can know who you are :)

mmmmmk :)

I already read some stuff you wrote in the Hell, I like your tastes :)

heh thanks

here we goooo:

The Black Dahlia Murder (favourite band, evar)
Amon Amarth (second favourite band)
All That Remains (third favourite band)
Parkway Drive
The Devil Wears Prada
Bring Me The Horizon
Slipknot
Avenged Sevonfold
Disturbed
Five Finger Death Punch
Children of Bodom
Enter Shikari
Bullet For My Valentine
Tenacious D
A Day To Remember
Youmeatsix
Alestorm
Lamb Of God
Mastodon
The Prodigy
System Of A Down
Testament
Through The Eyes Of The Dead
Tool (JIZZFEST)
Turisas
Arch Enemy
Susperia (just got into them)
Ensiferum (same)
Misery Signals
Hollywood Undead
Linkin Park (sort of)
Cannibal Corpse

eh I think there's a few more, but I can't remember off the top of my head lolz, pretty diverse wouldn't you say :p

ah fook, forgot Opeth and The Human Abstract, progressive metal ftw >:)

sorreh for doooble post

At 6/21/09 06:32 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

At 6/20/09 08:21 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:
Just list your favorite bands so we can know who you are :)

mmmmmk :)

I already read some stuff you wrote in the Hell, I like your tastes :)

heh thanks

here we goooo:

The Black Dahlia Murder (favourite band, evar)

Melodic Death Metal and Metalcore, very nice :)

Amon Amarth (second favourite band)

I was just asking for core band nu-metal bands :P

All That Remains (third favourite band)

Fucking awesome, one of my favorites :)

Parkway Drive

I like this one

The Devil Wears Prada

I don't know about them

Bring Me The Horizon

I hate OIi Sykes... worst vocalist ever... but still a nice band...

Slipknot

Cool

Avenged Sevonfold

Good

Disturbed

Very Nice

Five Finger Death Punch

I don't like em :(

Children of Bodom

Melodic death :O so not metalcore

Enter Shikari

who are they?

Bullet For My Valentine

nice

Tenacious D

I don't know how to classify them... really...

A Day To Remember
Youmeatsix
Alestorm

don't know about these three

Lamb Of God

They are metal, but dissed by the Metal Hell members... which is pretty sad... cause they are ok.

Mastodon

I know the name, but not much about the music itself

The Prodigy

don't know

System Of A Down

Best of what the Nu-Metal scene as to offer.

Testament

good, but metal as fuck :O

Through The Eyes Of The Dead

DEATHcore :P

Tool (JIZZFEST)

lol

Turisas

I think they are funny.

Arch Enemy

METAL

Susperia (just got into them)

dunno

Ensiferum (same)

very good, metal, but very good. You should check out Wintersun.

Misery Signals

Nice

Hollywood Undead

Nu-Metal right?

Linkin Park (sort of)

Nev likes them a lot :P

Cannibal Corpse

Cool, which albums? (METAL)

eh I think there's a few more, but I can't remember off the top of my head lolz, pretty diverse wouldn't you say :p

Good man !!

It's nice to see someone that's really into Metalcore in here... a lot of the members in here are Nu-Metal fans... and I really can't stand Limp Bizkit :P

You should also check out Glass Casket, sweet stuff :)

At 6/21/09 06:38 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote: ah fook, forgot Opeth and The Human Abstract, progressive metal ftw >:)

Fuck Yeah !

sorreh for doooble post

Meh two...

At 6/21/09 07:40 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Enter Shikari

who are they?

They're awful.

Tenacious D

I don't know how to classify them... really...

They're Comedy/Rock.
Thats obvious :P.

Alestorm

don't know about these three

You don't know Alestorm?
HEY, HEY I WANT MORE WENCHES! HEY, HEY MORE WENCHES AND MEAD!

I know the name, but not much about the music itself

Sort of Prog Metal/Groove Metal/Hardcore/Sludge.

very good, metal, but very good. You should check out Wintersun.

Nooooooo! Worst band ever.

Linkin Park (sort of)

Nev likes them a lot :P

Fuck yeah :D. I listened to Hybrid Theory just now. I'd seriously include in my favourite albums of all time.

Enter Shikari is awesome i don't know what you're smoking!

im starting to think Thrash Metal is cool!

Great Awakening <3

Sorry about the mixture of genres, but I thought it'd be be better if I listed a whole load of bands I listen to so that I don't get lumped into one generalised category :p

To clear up some stuff...

Enter Shikari are kinda post-hardcore with trance elements

A Day To Remember - post hardcore

Youmeatsix - pop punk (lolz)

Alestorm - power metal I spose (or pirate metal heh)

Mastodon - progressive metal

Susperia - thrash metal

Hollywood Undead - rap/rock, sounds like a recipe for disaster but I like them :)

Don't forget Nev, KEELHAUL THAT FILTHY LANDLUBBER SEND HIM DOWN TO THE DEPTHS BELOW, MAKE THAT BASTARD WALK THE PLANK WITH A BOTTLE OF RUM AND A YO YO YO! >:p epic shit.

Wintersun and Glass Casket are both pretty awesome, I like WS a bit more though

Also I don't listen to Cannibal Corpse much, but I might get Evisceration Plague at some point

At 6/21/09 11:59 PM, aznpanda wrote: Enter Shikari is awesome i don't know what you're smoking!

Yea they are pretty good, their new album is interesting but I prefer their older stuff

im starting to think Thrash Metal is cool!

Thrash is awesome, check out Testament if you want more :)

At 6/21/09 07:55 PM, Nev wrote:

At 6/21/09 07:40 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

very good, metal, but very good. You should check out Wintersun.

Nooooooo! Worst band ever.

That is not something you should say in front of me. If you have already heard the song "Starchild" and that you still don't like Wintersun... I really don't know what you need. This song has everything a good metal song needs... good transitions with a lot of changes in tempos, deep clean vocals and fucking agressive screams, clean parts and very fast distortion guitar riffs. If you do not like them it's only cause your a Lame Bizkit fan >:(

At 6/22/09 06:26 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote: post hardcore

I can't stand this word... post-hardcore... I really just can't understand how this classification should make sense...

Wintersun and Glass Casket are both pretty awesome, I like WS a bit more though

me two :)

I like this Crew from what I am seeing and Apparentlly I like all this jazz just as well.

KillSwitch Engage
Lamb Of God
All that Remains

Thats what i have in the Car at the Moment.

ALSO CLICK THE SIG, Any of you going to the Mayhem Fest???

At 6/22/09 06:26 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote: Don't forget Nev, KEELHAUL THAT FILTHY LANDLUBBER SEND HIM DOWN TO THE DEPTHS BELOW, MAKE THAT BASTARD WALK THE PLANK WITH A BOTTLE OF RUM AND A YO YO YO! >:p epic shit.

*Googles lyrics*
Not heard that song yet :P. Only got the first album (and the Battleheart demo).
*Goes to youtube*

Thrash is awesome, check out Testament if you want more :)

I personally think the best Thrash is Exodus' 'Bonded by Blood' album.
Or Tankard. Gotta love Tankard.

At 6/22/09 06:06 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: That is not something you should say in front of me. If you have already heard the song "Starchild" and that you still don't like Wintersun... I really don't know what you need.

I have. I have their album.
Its crap.

At 6/22/09 06:41 PM, TheRipper00 wrote: I like this Crew from what I am seeing and Apparentlly I like all this jazz just as well.

Welcome in Champ :)

KillSwitch Engage
Lamb Of God
All that Remains

Killswitch and ATR are core, so they fit in this crew, Lamb Of God is Metal, so it belongs in the Metal Hell. But since all these guys from the Metal Hell can't stand LOG, than we will allow you to discuss them here :)

Thats what i have in the Car at the Moment.

All That Remains is awesome :)

ALSO CLICK THE SIG, Any of you going to the Mayhem Fest???

It's funny to see bands like Behemoth and Cannibal Corpse line-up with shitbags like Marylin Manson and Mushroomhead... or even with good core bands like ATR. Normally Metalcore and Metal bands just do not line-up together... well... some do... like CoB with Trivium... but Behemoth and BFMV ?!? That's rather funny, especially from tr00z.

At 6/22/09 10:25 PM, Nev wrote:

Thrash is awesome, check out Testament if you want more :)

I personally think the best Thrash is Exodus' 'Bonded by Blood' album.
Or Tankard. Gotta love Tankard.

Whatever, best Thrash Metal will forever be Megadeth. Best albums are Rust In Peace and Countdown to Extinction (but it's more like Heavy Metal than Thrash Metal)

At 6/22/09 06:06 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: That is not something you should say in front of me. If you have already heard the song "Starchild" and that you still don't like Wintersun... I really don't know what you need.

I have. I have their album.
Its crap.

So "keep on rollin' rollin' rollin'!" and "just shut the fuck up!"

But man !!! I'm soooo much into Technical Brutal Death Metal right now. Blood Red Throne is awesome. Erlend Caspersen = God !!! Brain Drill, Origin, Benighted and Fleshgod Apocalypse are awesome bands !!!

At 6/23/09 12:04 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Whatever, best Thrash Metal will forever be Megadeth. Best albums are Rust In Peace and Countdown to Extinction (but it's more like Heavy Metal than Thrash Metal)

Megadeth are Thrash and I'd probably consider Rust in Peace to be the finest album in all of Metal. So really, its better than Bonded by Blood, of course.
But theres this raw brutality to Bonded by Blood that just makes it so perfect as a wholly Thrash album. It has this quality that makes it heavier than any of those Brutal DM bands you like :P.

I'd have loved to have seen them in some poxy little club in the early days when Paul was alive. The pits must of been intense seeing as 99% of their lyrics about about moshing :D.

So "keep on rollin' rollin' rollin'!" and "just shut the fuck up!"

You know I downloaded that album and gave it a listen for nostalgia purposes and it really wasn't as good as I remember. There are some fantastic songs on there (Boiler for instance) but so much is juvenile turd.

And I seriously don't get the hype about Wintersun and how they're so 'unique' and whatnot.
Maybe I've listened to enough Avant-Garde music to be desensitized but they just seem like generic Melodeath to me.

Hey I have been dropping Bands i see on here on Limewire like crazy. Heaven and any of you other guys want to drop a Big Ass List of Your favorite bands so I ca download the shit outta them.
Last night a Downloaded like 50 songs...I NEEDS MOAR!

At 6/23/09 09:01 AM, TheRipper00 wrote: Hey I have been dropping Bands i see on here on Limewire like crazy. Heaven and any of you other guys want to drop a Big Ass List of Your favorite bands so I ca download the shit outta them.
Last night a Downloaded like 50 songs...I NEEDS MOAR!

In regards to Nu-Metal/Metalcore:

Linkin Park (though I'm sure you're already aware of these, I'm just saying - Hybrid Theory <3)
Alexisonfire
The Blood Brothers
iwrestledabearonce

I'm not much into this music otherwise, besides the generic bands everyone knows.
I decided last night that Alexisonfire are amazing. I've been a fan for a while as I saw them live back in 2006.

At 6/23/09 12:02 PM, Nev wrote:
In regards to Nu-Metal/Metalcore:

iwrestledabearonce

Since when are they nu-metal/metalcore :S

they fucking rule though, I bought a t-shirt w00t.

At 6/23/09 05:23 PM, ZpLiNtEh wrote: Since when are they nu-metal/metalcore :S

Well they're -core. No doubt about that.