UPDATE: Tom responded: I was able to convince him to update the Guidelines:

The following rule's been added

"You might get a pass on a custom-made visualizer if it feels like it had real work put into it (vs running your song through a stock visualizer) but if you start uploading multiple songs the same way, they will be treated as shovelware; items being made in bulk with a template."

Note the above guideline change.

UPDATE: Looks like it still counts.

sooo I'm going to keep flagging items that are being uploaded to the movies portal that are songs set to an audio visualizer experience, a ratio of -1/+1000 I believe is an acceptable flag loss for me

Gameplay footage

So, he told you the same thing that @gamejunkie and I both told you? What was that about being gaslit?

Well you didn't word it like that. You implied that Tom has the right to ignore or go against the written rules, and there's nothing you can do about it" as if that's a good thing.

"Tom's site" is an obvious dogwhistle intended to deflect criticism against him and justify discrepancies in his judgments, whether they're right or not.

you really aren't getting it are you

I worded it like this:

...and, there's also gamejunkie's comment that you quoted, which says Tom gave it a pass. Soooo, yeah.

Problem: Tom's statement seemed to go against a vague rule in the Movie Guidelines.

Either he was wrong or the rule was wrong. (spoiler: it was the rule)

He didn't explain why he gave it a pass, hence why I asked him about it, and thus the guideline update.

When you speak on Tom's behalf, you either misinterpret what he's saying or leave important details out, and when you're not expecting to be called out on it, it seems incredibly suspicious.

You just don't want to debate, address, or even acknowlege there was a problem in the first place.

And, he doesn't have to.:

"Tom gave it a pass" satisfies all the required statements and info, bro. He liked it. he gave it a pass. Additional details added.

I just want to move on. As such, end of discussion.

how frog thinks he's playing this argument

how he's actually playing it

Well-played, GG. Now take the L and move on as you please!

Regarding this whole conversation over the last few pages over this video:

From what I understand, it’s an author-created song with an author-created visualiser.

I appreciate there was uncertainty regarding the original rule which was likely prepared for stock visualisers as they’re very easy to produce videos for. If the author started to upload multiple songs with their same custom-made visualiser it would not be allowed, however it would be subject to a different submission rule.

I don’t think anybody is being “gas-lit” and likewise people don’t appreciate being called gas-lighters. I also don’t think the “Tom’s site, Tom’s rules” argument acknowledges the content’s retention.

Ultimately that video is now sitting at a below 3 score, which I think is pretty harsh given that I always found Newgrounds is intended to promote user-made content such as this one. Regardless of who you think is the loser in this argument, it is the content-creator that is taking the hit.

No animation - slideshow

What is the stance on age-regression or babyfication? I'm just asking for clarification because it's not blatantly obvious adult material but it's clearly created by adults and is fetishistic of underage characteristics. Example Can or should it be flagged? if it can be flagged what is the correct category?

Edit of PBS Kids intro animation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTGyqrUWzog

Stolen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yQE4501J4E

No animation

Simple as this sentence: Does it looks it's a child?

Remember, forget the age and examine if the model resembles a child anatomically wise, because if that is a child, report it.

...Oh it's an art submission, yeah no, this board won't help you out with that because the Club's more or less targeted to the Movies and Games portal. I mean, the Art Portal mods will but this isn't the place for reporting art submissions and don't try making help threads about reporting this or that Art submission. There IS an board for reporting Audio submissions though.

I was asking for rule clarifications since this seems to be the only active thread discussing the nuances of site wide rules, not for help reporting. But I'll take the "fuck off" for what it is. Thanks for the clarification.

Feel free to flag it if you’re unsure.

For your example, fetish artists love toeing the lines of rules which makes reporting a nightmare - I would prob leave that as E if I weren’t aware of the wider context of the artist’s submission history.

It wasn't a go away statement, only a let you know statement

IF you wanted to discuss the nuances of site rules then heck yeah let's talk, buuuuut this wouldn't be the place to turn around in the same discussion and start posting links to audio or art or review pieces WITH the expectation that there would be anything done about it

Yes we would probably flag things that were posted but when a notification for the EGB comes up the people that follow this thread expect that there is something to do with the movies/games portal

The same would be said about the audio cleanup thread

Rules and clarification: yes

Posting things from art/review/audio: no

https://www.newgrounds.com//view/918939

Music is "Akono - Infinity" by Snorlington's Alias Split:

https://www.audiotool.com/track/k3g0i5ob/

Stolen from jacknjellify:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4K1xKHwp0E

Cutscene from Sonic Unleashed. No animation.

Both of this user's submissions are *gasp* stolen!

https://blazeye123.newgrounds.com/

No animation - footage of music video timeline

No animation - comic dub

Slideshow, probably stolen

A bunch of footage. No animation.

Compilation of stolen videos/music, as admitted by submitter

Not original creator.

Earliest Source: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/139891/

I swear he used My art without any permission and stole the other ones from the internet:

Originals:

Can't believe My precious works got stolen, this is just messed up. And I swear that I am NOT collaborating with him, because I don't know him, honestly. Good lord that I have blocked him now.

To all Barracks Members.

RE: Underage Content. I've noticed that an extraordinary amount of Underage Content passes judgement daily & it never seems to get reported here or Flagged. I'm not sure why this is BUT you guys need to start reporting & Flagging it. Since I've returned to Modding I have personally (with Toms blessing) unpublished hundreds of UA Content movies. Every time I find one I bookmark the Author, then I'll go back to them when I have free time & go through all their content & I'm unpublishing dozens of these movies every day. I have a substantial number bookmarked so far, which means hundreds more will be deleted soon. Please be more pro-active in regards to Underage Content. If you see it report it/flag it, I will take care of it sooner or later.

Reportable/Flagable content includes stuff like, Ben 10, Pokemon, Jujutsu Kaisen, Genshin Impact, Gwen (Spiderverse), Lisa or Bart (simpsons), etc. I'm sure you get the picture. I can't find it all by myself so I'm relying on you guys to help find this shite & help clean up NG for the better.

Also, don't let a 'All characters in this movie are 18+' disclaimer put you off reporting it. The Guidelines clearly state there are NO GREY AREAS. So remember Underage is Underage.