This question is for ALL Members, Regulars, and non-regulars.

I've come to a point where I'm not sure that the RCVL should go on. (I'm mostly talking about the "Regulars List") If I decide to end the Regulars List, then I'll lock the topic.

Anyway, here's my concern:

(The topic thrives on the Regulars List, so the versus part is just a moot point right now.)

I've become tired of a few things in this forum.

- The LUL being spammed up beyond belief (and I'm kind of mad that the only lounge in Wi/Ht is a level up topic). Conversation isn't a big part, and thus, it's not a good place to just "shoot-the-shit" It's gotten bad enough in there to not even want to browse in here at all.

- There aren't any older regs in here (daily) anymore. SK is gone, D0GMA is gone, I'm gone, geefox posts only on weekends, etc... My favorite people are MIA (Slightly_Crazy_Dude)

- In my honest opinion, the Memberlist is finally screwed. I don't want anyone to comment on this, but it's my opinion, and I'm not changing it.

- ALL THE FUCKING LISTS ARE GONE!!!!!!! That was like 90% of why I visited this forum. The cool fucking people and each person's topic. Meh, if you just signed up, you've missed Wi/Ht's heyday.

That's why I'm bored in here.
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Now, the Regulars list is supposed to be a sort of "waiting list" for the Membership. Since that doesn't happen, the Regulars list seems to fail at it's main purpose, so I'm really quite done with it.
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Anyway, got an opinion? Wanna take over? Let me know.

At 4/26/05 05:26 AM, Dobio wrote: I don't see the point to the list anyway

The point of the Regulars list is to give the Members a nice list to base their votes from. It's also for recognizing those who have helped.

You go girlfriend. :)

lol, I'm seriously not doing this for attention. This issue has been in my head for months now...and I just want people to help me in wrapping up the debate going on inside my head.

At 4/26/05 05:23 AM, -DaughterOfHades- wrote: I've become tired of a few things in this forum.

- The LUL being spammed up beyond belief (and I'm kind of mad that the only lounge in Wi/Ht is a level up topic). Conversation isn't a big part, and thus, it's not a good place to just "shoot-the-shit" It's gotten bad enough in there to not even want to browse in here at all.

That's because people used to hold conversations in the relevant list threads. Now those are gone, everybody congregates in the LUL; which has turned it into a mess IMO.

- There aren't any older regs in here (daily) anymore. SK is gone, D0GMA is gone, I'm gone, geefox posts only on weekends, etc... My favorite people are MIA (Slightly_Crazy_Dude)

True. I miss Chris and SCD.

- In my honest opinion, the Memberlist is finally screwed. I don't want anyone to comment on this, but it's my opinion, and I'm not changing it.

No comment

- ALL THE FUCKING LISTS ARE GONE!!!!!!! That was like 90% of why I visited this forum. The cool fucking people and each person's topic. Meh, if you just signed up, you've missed Wi/Ht's heyday.

Yep. The cessation of the list threads has pretty much killed Wi/Ht. There's still the challenge of helping newbs out I suppose, but that's not enough. I too am not happy with what Wi/Ht has become, which is a shame, because I always considered it my home on NG, and I'm not sure that I do any more.

Now, the Regulars list is supposed to be a sort of "waiting list" for the Membership. Since that doesn't happen, the Regulars list seems to fail at it's main purpose, so I'm really quite done with it.

I think the RCVL still has a place in the forum. I'm proud to be a Regular, as the list is dynamic enough to actually represent what goes on in Wi/Ht. Having said that, with the death of the list threads, many of the regs are fading out for the same reason as you and I, and the number of valid potentials is dropping.
It's a shame that liljim or Wade never got back to us about the bots; their activity was ceased 'until further notice' so James could have a chance to test out their effect on the site and (I guess) report back with a yay or nay - but I somehow doubt whether we'll ever get the go-ahead to use them again...

Anyway, it's your choice as to whether you continue the RCVL or not. It would be a shame to see it go.

At 4/26/05 05:23 AM, -DaughterOfHades- wrote: This question is for ALL Members, Regulars, and non-regulars.

I agree with most of the stuff you said in your post, most notably the semi-list of things that are annoying about this forum. Wi/Ht is a needed forum, but then again, most people don't come here, because they don't exactly get a friendly welcome from the regulars here, from what I have seen. Even stupid questions, should be treated with respect, since that's the whole point of this special forum, on the NG BBS.

I think that maybe why all this has fallen through, is lack of concern, or support by other BBS moderators, to point people in the right direction here, with every "How do I" topic.

As far as the lists are concerned, I think it's a lost cause. It most certainly is everything you have portrayed it to be.

I was a person that came to Wi/Ht? based on the people, not the stats. I did not recall being on many of the active lists within the NG BBS Wi/Ht? forum.

I would like to make clear that I am not directing my arguments to RedCircle (as the same with him and the memberlist issue), but to the issue as a whole.

I was a person that looked more at the side of the users that were on the RedCircle Versus List, not the stats that they had. I'm a person that believes more in the community side of the forum, not the statistics.

As a Wi/Ht? Regular, I feel that other people who are deserving of the position will miss out on such a great opportunity that they can obtain. This is how I felt at the April elections, saddened by the fact that there were various people that had seemed to lose their chances of becoming Regulars.

As a Wi/Ht? Member, I feel that there are great potentials out there that work very hard in the Wi/Ht? community and are most deserving of such a title. Sure, it's only a few words and such, but it means more than that to many other people. Being a Regular is a great leap in Wi/Ht?, a sign of respect that you can gain in the community and one that enables you to show your understanding towards the forum. delsona, Bahamut7, Myst_Williams, Tom_s00 and Master_Inuyasha are some of the main users that I know (I know of about 10 more that I need not name) that spend a lot of their time helping in this forum and helping other users as well as showing their dedication as being 'regular'. I think that these people still deserve that chance, like anyone else. I think that 'spam' and 'disagreements' should not be the end of the list.

I can see reasons for the stat side of the list to go, but you work so hard for that and I repsect you greatly. But if you are to do so, at least keep the list of ongoing regulars continuous for the sake of not only current Regulars, but the potentials and others out there.

If you were to decide to drop the list, I am sure that someone out there would want to continue it. I'm not sure, but that's how I feel towards this whole thing.

That's my opinion and I hope to see more out there.

At 4/26/05 05:42 AM, Uberbarista wrote: most people don't come here, because they don't exactly get a friendly welcome from the regulars here, from what I have seen. Even stupid questions, should be treated with respect, since that's the whole point of this special forum, on the NG BBS.
I think that maybe why all this has fallen through, is lack of concern, or support by other BBS moderators, to point people in the right direction here, with every "How do I" topic.

W.T.F.???
I resent those comments. The Wi/Ht regulars spend a load of their own time finding answers to the 'Where Is?' questions, and infinite patience replying to the incessant repetitive 'How To?' topics. I don't think I've even seen you in this forum before (checks post history - very occasional visits), so who do you think you are to make those kind of generalisations?

At 4/26/05 05:42 AM, Uberbarista wrote:

Wi/Ht is a needed forum, but then again, most people don't come here, because they don't exactly get a friendly welcome from the regulars here, from what I have seen. Even stupid questions, should be treated with respect, since that's the whole point of this special forum, on the NG BBS.
Like Denvish, I am going to have to disagree with you there. I came into this community greeted warmly by a Wi/Ht? Member and a Wi/Ht? Poster, that made me feel a special part of this forum. That is a slight generalization assuming that most people are growled at for asking questions. This forum was designed for specific questions to be asked and I see respect or full seriousness shown towards the questions.

At 4/26/05 05:47 AM, Dobio wrote: An election in April that I wasn't notified about?

ReconRebel sent e-mails to all the Wi/Ht? Members and gave everyone a week to submit their votes. I think you should send your e-mail for future notifications to gfoxcook. But, I know of how you feel around this forum and I won't say anymore.

I was never a real part of the list so i cant comment on anything inside of it,
But it was nice to know it was always there,
Its like if you were to take away the regulars lounge in politics, It just wouldnt be the same.

And there have been a few Wi/Ht topics around the problem is most people arent reading the rules and are spamming general with them.

I pity lonely kids who have no one to listen. I don't know who to blame.

I agree with you RC, this forum is and has been going downhill for a while now, and with the departure of SCD, and now TRA or rooty the pie as he is now known, and even yourself recently alot of people are losing faith. I liked this place most about 4-5 months back, when it had less people posting here, it jus seemed better then . I myself have began to doubt the LUL in particular, it is spammy, alot of people post in there for the sake of posting.

As for the RCVL, i think you should keep it going, or if you don't somebody should, im even willing to do it ! i like it that much and im sure alot of other people do to.

I was here before any list. A lot of the list were fun and did make things livly.
I actualyl didn't pay much attention to some of them in the start , I liked helping people.
I still do.
I do agree the LUL has just gone crazy latly. There are a few in that thread that I can see are not trying to be spammy. Yet as others have said it is the last place really left.

I personally started my exp list way back when exp rankign became a ranking in the porfile. Mostly to see who was around me and in front of me and what hopes I had of moving up. As more interest was shown the list expanded. Having what I call the slow moving list, nnever been al ot of rewards, but that never bothered me.

Right now my biggest problem is time. After the the next upcoming update the next couple are in mid week, which will make any possible that much harder. So I 'll leave that to later. Ok back to the topic here.

As far the Regs vs Members vs mod list, I really think it been a fun little list. I really think in the end it is up to RC . will I miss it, sure, DO I understand that you want to end it yes. I have to run to class more later. If I think I need to add more that is.

At 4/26/05 11:25 AM, ramagi wrote: I was here before any list. A lot of the list were fun and did make things livly.
I actualyl didn't pay much attention to some of them in the start , I liked helping people.
I still do.
I do agree the LUL has just gone crazy latly. There are a few in that thread that I can see are not trying to be spammy. Yet as others have said it is the last place really left.

Ya i remember when there was no lists, the lists made this forum alot better, as for lul, it does get really bad in there, not like the old lul where great stuff was going on but what can ya do oh well...

~X~

I think the main difference is that its more fun to talk to a smaller group of friends than to talk to a large group of people. Back in the day it was just 5-10 regs talking in the lounge, now its expanded and the feeling of closeness is lost.

At 4/26/05 12:42 PM, Toocool100 wrote: I think the main difference is that its more fun to talk to a smaller group of friends than to talk to a large group of people. Back in the day it was just 5-10 regs talking in the lounge, now its expanded and the feeling of closeness is lost.

I think the problem with the LUL now, is that it serves TWO purposes, and it's quite hard to keep on the lounge side of things.

I'd suggest making a topic in here that is ONLY a lounge, so that people can have a place to just talk.

bleh, this forum was indeed much better in the previous months. I wish gfox's topics were still active, I wish the EGRL wouldn't die as fast as it did and I obviously miss the LUL when only one page/one page and a half appeared each day. A few other topics kept me interested but most of these topics are now locked, inactive or full of spam. I didn't stop to read whatever is currently happening here but I almost stopped posting because this forum became boring and I don't really like all these newcomers.

I participated to most discussions and debates concerning the regulars' list because I started posting in that topic before the creation of that list and I never stopped to stay active in that topic until recently. There are 3 possibilities for the future of this list and the Rcvl:

1-lock the topic which means that it will be the end (you should expect the creation of a similar topic or at least another regulars' list in the future by another user because maintaining a similar regulars' list doesn't necessarily require an enormous amount of efforts depending on how many times the user would update the list, how he would include users, how many stats will be considered, etc.),
2-give the responsibility of updating and taking care of this list to another user or
3-you could continue updating this list and the rcvl.

I would honestly prefer options 2 or 3 but I wouldn't mind much if you choose option 1. I could continue to explain my opinion but typing this post is starting to become as boring as wi/ht? section of the BBS became. Thanks for consulting us before choosing an option, that was certainly a good idea.

At 4/26/05 05:39 AM, Denvish wrote: It's a shame that liljim or Wade never got back to us about the bots;

Rather than spending time to look into all of the potential problems with the scripts that were running, I thought it might be better just to spend that time writing equivelant scripts to those that were running exogenously and run them internally - I had a lengthy conversation with GFox about this. Taken from that conversation:

Greg (2005-03-25 [Friday] 11:29:08 PM): I just mailed ShittyKitty, Dogma, jonthomson, ramagi, RedCircle, and Denvish. All listmakers or recent listmakers + developers of the automated profile-stat-pulling programs. Hopefully this will start up a constructive conversation and get us moving towards some agreed-upon necessities for any new NG lists or expansions of current lists.

I never heard anything back.

At 4/26/05 04:04 PM, liljim wrote:

I don't know much about programming so I could be totally way off with this - Is it possible to create a new part of NG that is maintained by the listmakers just for the sole purpose of the lists?
Assumming someone contacts you of course.

Indeed, the LUL has become more about the "Level Up" and less about the "Lounge". And it's moving way too fast these days. The idea of a no-stat, lounge-only thread sounds great.

As for the RCVL, I really liked those updates (even though I don't post in that list very often I always look at the updates), Mike, and I'd be sad to see it go. Just because the Wi/Ht? forum as a whole has changed a lot recently with the locking of many list topics, I don't see why the RCVL should just follow suit and die too. If you're not happy to continue it, someone (Tom_s00 has already volunteered) should keep the updates going.

At 4/26/05 06:04 PM, MCBonus wrote:

At 4/26/05 05:55 PM, Eldarion wrote: Indeed, the LUL has become more about the "Level Up" and less about the "Lounge". And it's moving way too fast these days. The idea of a no-stat, lounge-only thread sounds great.

OMG eld, you better stay around to talk in the lounge, you have been more and more absent recently :P

Nah, I hate wading through all that shit and achievement posts all the time. Fire up the New Topic button and I'll post in the your new 'Wi/Ht? Lounge' instead :D

At 4/26/05 07:34 PM, MCBonus wrote:

At 4/26/05 07:07 PM, Eldarion wrote: Nah, I hate wading through all that shit and achievement posts all the time. Fire up the New Topic button and I'll post in the your new 'Wi/Ht? Lounge' instead :D

Meh i volunteered to make it, but RC insisted he was going to make one regardless, and deleted mine if i made one XD, too bad :(

Heh, I just saw that in Radiogrounds Chat, he'll be posting it around midnight EST, and I'm off to bed now, so I'm gonna miss the start of the Lounge revolution :'(

At 4/26/05 04:04 PM, liljim wrote: I never heard anything back.

Hmmmm. It wasn't the liveliest of emails, but there was some feedback from most parties. gfox has presumably got all the comments compiled somewhere, I don't really understand why he hasn't forwarded them on to you.

At 4/26/05 08:33 PM, Denvish wrote:

At 4/26/05 04:04 PM, liljim wrote: I never heard anything back.

Hmmmm. It wasn't the liveliest of emails, but there was some feedback from most parties. gfox has presumably got all the comments compiled somewhere, I don't really understand why he hasn't forwarded them on to you.

Maybe we all should get on Greg's ass about that?
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It's pretty much all cleared up, so I may even talk to liljim about it on AIM or chat, when I see him.

At 4/26/05 05:50 AM, Denvish wrote: W.T.F.???
I resent those comments. The Wi/Ht regulars spend a load of their own time finding answers to the 'Where Is?' questions, and infinite patience replying to the incessant repetitive 'How To?' topics. I don't think I've even seen you in this forum before (checks post history - very occasional visits), so who do you think you are to make those kind of generalisations?

Hey hey hey, calm down tiger! I wasn't making any comment directed towards you. Just because I make a statement that's not exactly in the best light of some of the mods, doesn't mean I am attacking them all. Secondly, posting in the forums, in any of them, is not a prerequisite for using them. I don't have to post in here every single time I read a thread, or for that matter, any other part of the site. Thirdly, I have have seen rude comments to new users here, regardless of how many times a question has been asked.

I just want you to understand that I wasn't trying to insult you or anyone directly. I would have dropped a name(s) if that was the case.

At 4/27/05 04:23 AM, Uberbarista wrote: Hey hey hey, calm down tiger!

woof

I wasn't making any comment directed towards you. Just because I make a statement that's not exactly in the best light of some of the mods, doesn't mean I am attacking them all.

I never thought you were attacking me personally. I was simply standing up for the regular Wi/Ht users

Secondly, posting in the forums, in any of them, is not a prerequisite for using them. I don't have to post in here every single time I read a thread, or for that matter, any other part of the site. Thirdly, I have have seen rude comments to new users here, regardless of how many times a question has been asked.

Well, I've very rarely seen rude comments from Wi/Ht regulars (SK being the obvious exception, but his comments are usually not directed at thread starters, more at people who re-answer a question that's already been answered - ie, idiots who don't bother reading the whole thread). Maybe I'm being selectively blind, but most new threads asking questions are answered quickly and amicably; despite the fact that the person asking could often have found the answer themself by reading the NG Help. In the rare cases where a thread starter is abused, the flaming is generally carried out by people who I wouldn't consider to be Wi/Ht regulars or the topic itself is intended as spam.

The only other thing that I can think you might be referring to is users who try too hard to become Wi/Ht regulars - there's no denying that Wi/Ht is quite cliquey - but these users are generally treated with tolerance and respect, unless they blatantly spam to get their name known and thus made a Regular/Member.

All in all, I still don't understand where you're coming from with your "most people don't come here, because they don't exactly get a friendly welcome from the regulars here, from what I have seen." comment.... but, it's not really important in the grand scheme of things, so now I'm going to stop getting my knickers in a twist.

RCVL should stay, IMO. We've lost enough lists as it is.

At 4/27/05 04:16 AM, -DaughterOfHades- wrote:

At 4/26/05 08:33 PM, Denvish wrote:

At 4/26/05 04:04 PM, liljim wrote: I never heard anything back.

Hmmmm. It wasn't the liveliest of emails, but there was some feedback from most parties. gfox has presumably got all the comments compiled somewhere, I don't really understand why he hasn't forwarded them on to you.

Maybe we all should get on Greg's ass about that?

I already e-mailed liljim on Tuesday when I happened to notice his post in here while doing a tiny bit of lurking.

The reason I hadn't e-mailed him before then was because we never seemed to come to a consensus about what the wishlist should contain. If you guys don't recall, in my last e-mail to you all, I asked certain people for certain contributions (For instance, I asked RedCircle and/or Dogma to summarise their desires with regards to the Portal Submissions Stats area of our wishlist), but I never heard back from any of you. Not a single reply from anyone. Not to mention I never heard from SK in response to any of my three or four "huge multi-quote reply" e-mails on the matter... in short, the entire roundtable thing didn't seem to be going very well, and I got busy/distracted, so I didn't try to restart it when no one ever replied. I apologise for not relaying everyone's opinions to liljim ASAP if that's what you were expecting me to do, but I had wanted us to REALLY get some collective work done on making a tight, terse, to-the-point wishlist... and since we never did, I didn't report to liljim.

But anyway, the past is the past. I sent liljim a list of possible actions I can do in that mail on Tuesday, and I'll do whichever he asks (restart the dialogues, forward him all 12 e-mails in the discussion, or come up with some sort of digest/summary of our discussions up till April 8th when all conversation suddenly stopped for whatever reason).

At 4/27/05 05:34 AM, Denvish wrote:

At 4/27/05 04:23 AM, Uberbarista wrote: Secondly, posting in the forums, in any of them, is not a prerequisite for using them. I don't have to post in here every single time I read a thread, or for that matter, any other part of the site. Thirdly, I have have seen rude comments to new users here, regardless of how many times a question has been asked.

Well, I've very rarely seen rude comments from Wi/Ht regulars (SK being the obvious exception, but his comments are usually not directed at thread starters, more at people who re-answer a question that's already been answered - ie, idiots who don't bother reading the whole thread). Maybe I'm being selectively blind, but most new threads asking questions are answered quickly and amicably; despite the fact that the person asking could often have found the answer themself by reading the NG Help. In the rare cases where a thread starter is abused, the flaming is generally carried out by people who I wouldn't consider to be Wi/Ht regulars or the topic itself is intended as spam.

You forgot the times when a newbie asks a basic question he could have (and should have) found the answer to on his own, and when he didn't get an answer in less than 5 minutes, he bumps his thread and says something like "WHAT IS GOING ON? ANSWER ME, DAMNIT!"... and then 5 minutes later he posts a SIMILAR post again, so by that point there are three posts by him in his topic and nothing else... and then someone (usually TheJoe324) comes along and says he would have helped him, but the guy's acting like a jackass. Then he locks the topic.

So anyway... yeah. That's another reason a topic starter gets abused on Wi/Ht?, but it's nothing compared to the treatment he'd receive on General, so I don't think it's such a bad thing.

The only other thing that I can think you might be referring to is users who try too hard to become Wi/Ht regulars - there's no denying that Wi/Ht is quite cliquey - but these users are generally treated with tolerance and respect, unless they blatantly spam to get their name known and thus made a Regular/Member.

There's nothing exclusionary about Wi/Ht?, though, since we don't prevent anyone from posting in any topics. So I don't see any reason for anyone to complain unless they're a club-whore who's pissed off they can't get into the Wi/Ht? membership just by asking a couple times and being on the forum for two days.

All in all, I still don't understand where you're coming from with your "most people don't come here, because they don't exactly get a friendly welcome from the regulars here, from what I have seen." comment.... but, it's not really important in the grand scheme of things, so now I'm going to stop getting my knickers in a twist.

Wi/Ht? is quiet, bucolic, low-traffic, and friendly compared to most of NG BBS. I don't understand where he was coming from either. Maybe people are intimidated by the stat list topics.

At 4/28/05 01:13 AM, gfoxcook wrote: I already e-mailed liljim on Tuesday when I happened to notice his post in here while doing a tiny bit of lurking.

Could you send that to me again please? I don't see it in my inbox...

At 4/26/05 05:23 AM, -DaughterOfHades- wrote: This question is for ALL Members, Regulars, and non-regulars.

I've come to a point where I'm not sure that the RCVL should go on. (I'm mostly talking about the "Regulars List") If I decide to end the Regulars List, then I'll lock the topic.

Stop it if you want the less stats threads the better.

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Now, the Regulars list is supposed to be a sort of "waiting list" for the Membership. Since that doesn't happen, the Regulars list seems to fail at it's main purpose, so I'm really quite done with it.
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Anyway, got an opinion? Wanna take over? Let me know.

So you mean you apointed your self as the person who choses who can get a chance to join us or not? =/

Um, I have been reading many comments as for people who feel it would be dissapointing for the RCVL to go. It seems that it is one of the few stat lists that people can enjoy looking at and I too, feel it would be unfortunate to see it go.

As I sent an e-mail to RedCircle (with no reply), I mentioned that I would be willing to take over the RCVL if he feels he cannot take charge of it anymore. I really want to involve myself in the Wi/Ht? community and I think I could take up the possiblity of running the RCVL is RedCircle feels he cannot. Of course, if wants to lock the topic altogether, that's his choice and I guess it will be sad.

Tom_s00, I noticed you are willing to help as well. What do people think about this?

At 4/26/05 05:23 AM, -DaughterOfHades- wrote: - The LUL being spammed up beyond belief (and I'm kind of mad that the only lounge in Wi/Ht is a level up topic). Conversation isn't a big part, and thus, it's not a good place to just "shoot-the-shit" It's gotten bad enough in there to not even want to browse in here at all.

Well I think you're right.
Im sure that the LUL would'nt have standed a chance having so many replies for a conversation i started in the LUL TRTA (To Rule Them All, kinda have TRA in it..) as for being banned. Denvish replied to it and from there im sure at least 20 ppl replied.

- There aren't any older regs in here (daily) anymore. SK is gone, D0GMA is gone, I'm gone, geefox posts only on weekends, etc... My favorite people are MIA (Slightly_Crazy_Dude)

NG Revolutions. Happens just like in the Matrix's.. :(

- ALL THE FUCKING LISTS ARE GONE!!!!!!! That was like 90% of why I visited this forum. The cool fucking people and each person's topic. Meh, if you just signed up, you've missed Wi/Ht's heyday.

About three months ago i think, because i suck at estimating times, slowly lists has began to tear apart and fall. 2005 is really hard.

Anyway, got an opinion?

I honestly don't know.
But in my mind, i can't think of two main things to do.
1. Hold of it. Keep it as it is and update once a month, or that someone else. Not give up on this.

or

2. A new beginning. Closing the Wi/Ht forum, making some of it an historical page of the NG History, and starting from the beginning.
New forum, new name, new threads, some folks gone, some are new, some stayed the same, some chagned.

Meanwhile, i think that we should "Live and see".

At 4/28/05 09:24 AM, liljim wrote:

At 4/28/05 01:13 AM, gfoxcook wrote: I already e-mailed liljim on Tuesday when I happened to notice his post in here while doing a tiny bit of lurking.

Could you send that to me again please? I don't see it in my inbox...

Weirdness.

In any event, I just sent it again half an hour ago, so... if you don't see anything in your inbox from me around 9 AM GMT today... I dunno what to tell you, man. BTW, at least e-mail ME, even if you didn't get the second attempt, so I can see if at least one direction is working.

At 4/28/05 09:27 AM, _lightning_ wrote: Stop it if you want the less stats threads the better.

When did you suddenly turn anti-stats, man? O_o

So you mean you apointed your self as the person who choses who can get a chance to join us or not? =/

I don't think he meant it that way. For one thing, he didn't choose who to be on the Regulars list all by himself. They had elections amongst the regulars.

But, you do kinda have a point. If the Regulars list was supposed to chiefly be a way of finding new candidates for Wi/Ht? membership, then perhaps Wi/Ht? members should have had a vote in the regulars process as well as the regulars themselves.

In any event...

At 4/28/05 09:31 AM, Alkador wrote: Um, I have been reading many comments as for people who feel it would be dissapointing for the RCVL to go. It seems that it is one of the few stat lists that people can enjoy looking at and I too, feel it would be unfortunate to see it go.

One of the few stat lists that people enjoy? Since when? Pretty much every stat list around here has been enjoyed by quite a lot of people. From KornFreaker's ANCIENT ppd list to Dobio's doomed posts list to my lists to Dogma's legendary EGRL to jonthomson's reviewlist to SK's NGTL to the RCVL to ramagi's exp list to Myst's ratio list... did I leave anything out? All the list topics have thrived in the past here on Wi/Ht?

But many are dead. And like I said before, it's a shame to lose any more of them. But don't act like this is the ONLY popular list. O_o

At 4/28/05 09:55 AM, carmelhadinosaur wrote:

- ALL THE FUCKING LISTS ARE GONE!!!!!!! That was like 90% of why I visited this forum. The cool fucking people and each person's topic. Meh, if you just signed up, you've missed Wi/Ht's heyday.

About three months ago i think, because i suck at estimating times, slowly lists has began to tear apart and fall. 2005 is really hard.

Three months ago = end of January. Lists were still going along fine then, after a slight hiccup due to YoinK asking liljim to change our profiles a bit and that causing SK to have to recode his NGTL after Denvish provided a temp solution.

No, lists were just fine until mid March. Except for jonthomson's. He stopped his in February, a bit earlier than most of the other stoppages.

In short:

Top 100 Reviewers List - (ended in February voluntarily by jonthomson)
NG Total Listing (13 lists) - (ended in March kinda-voluntarily by ShittyKitty)
Top 500 Voting Power List - (ended in March voluntarily by gfoxcook)
Elite Guard Rank List + Top 50 Blams/Saves - (seem to have ended in early April by D0GMA...)

I might point out that my pentalist is still going strong. Some people seem to forget that. ;_;