At 12/6/04 11:34 AM, WadeFulp wrote: This is probably something the author should state in their comments. "Be sure to watch the whole entry! The beginning starts off crappy as a joke!" or something. :)

exactly, sometimes flash artists make a very bad author's comment.
Flash artists that say "vote fifffen!" ... almost everybody won't vote a five or even higher than a one.

then there are flash artists that say.. "well i'll do better next time"
And that will be an indication that the movie isn't very good. Although it might be good enough in which it should be saved on newgrounds.

so in other words, some users will judge based on a person's author's comment.

At 12/6/04 11:33 AM, -Gooie- wrote:

casting your informed vote!

Ironic that you voted for Bush.

I consider myself to be more politically informed than most people. I watched every one of the Presidential debates. I listened to both candidates during their stump speeches. I listened to countless hours of political analysts from multiple media outlets, etc.

I find when I meet other Republicans they are very politically informed. However, whenever I meet Democrats they always say "Uh, I don't follow politics" and have no clue what's going on.

I often ask when they tell me they support a Democrat for President "So what will Kerry do to help you?" or "What do you like about Kerry?" and that's when I get the "Uh, buh, uh, I don't follow politics" or "He's not Bush!" etc.

At 12/6/04 11:33 AM, -Gooie- wrote:

At 12/5/04 11:59 PM, WadeFulp wrote: we know who you are and are watching.

I highly doubt that, Wade-poo.

Is that right.

Here's a good example entitled "mouse"
http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/206316
the graphics look alright at first.. but if you keep watching, it's animated quite well. there's no sound but i still thought it deserved to stay on the portal. It definitely had the potential... so i left a review to the author in which he or she should add background music.. sound fx and perhaps some buttons so that the movie doesn't loop. But anyway, it really was a cool movie so i gave it a 3.

At 12/6/04 11:45 AM, liljim wrote: Is that right.

-Gooie- got owned majorly there. I dont think i am on that list, i havent had an email anyway.

At 12/6/04 11:48 AM, YoinK_VineS wrote: Here's a good example entitled "mouse"
http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/206316
the graphics look alright at first.. but if you keep watching, it's animated quite well. there's no sound but i still thought it deserved to stay on the portal. It definitely had the potential... so i left a review to the author in which he or she should add background music.. sound fx and perhaps some buttons so that the movie doesn't loop. But anyway, it really was a cool movie so i gave it a 3.

Me too, I really liked it, only it lacked sound and smoothness, this should be saved, so we encourage the fella to make more, so that he gets better. Sorry, I feel like an angel, I need to protect the good flashes and kill the bad flashes.

At 12/6/04 11:51 AM, Professor_Rhythm wrote: I was just about to post a link to that same movie to use as an example, I voted a 2 and raised it to about 1.3, how are we supposed to compete against this?

The people who vote fair will be rewarded with more voting power, but those select individuals who cheat the system and do not vote fair will just lose some of their voting power. So then the people who vote fairly will cause the movie to be judge much more fairly.

Sometimes I just wanted to vote and the movie is already gone :(, and that is not funny.

At 12/6/04 11:50 AM, Zendra wrote:

At 12/6/04 11:49 AM, dawsdani wrote: -Gooie- got owned majorly there. I dont think i am on that list, i havent had an email anyway.

What is that list anyway? :)

His votes on different movies i think.

At 12/6/04 10:44 AM, WadeFulp wrote: I know I have seen many entries that start off poorly, more as a joke, and then kick into something really good! If people judge the whole movie on those first 5-10 seconds and vote 0, and then it passes judgment with a 4.25, that's not going to look very good when we're reviewing their history. I'm not saying we'd base a decision on a single vote, but if we see a pattern of this behavior, then we'll look into penalties.

The way I see it, an animator that employs that kind of tactic is taking a big risk. I do, in fact, vote reasonably and if I see an animation that starts off with 5-10 seconds of crap, I know that 90-99% of the time the rest of the animation will be just as crappy. I'll often check to see if the author has other submissions that have passed and if at least one of their animations has survived, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and keep watching. Otherwise, I know the odds favor the scenario of a bored teenager lobbing a piece of idiocy at the portal and hoping it sticks. I don't see any reason to change my tactics and so far I'm not on your naughty list. But in case someone like me finds their b/p points missing, is there any kind of appeal process or are the points gone for good?

At 12/6/04 11:58 AM, Professor_Rhythm wrote: What? I voted fairly but I'm not going to get the point because the other 197 people didn't watch it.

from what Wade said earlier, those users that do not vote fair will either have their account terminated or all their blam/save points removed. So then the user who voted unfairly will have less power when voting and therefore the movie will be judged with a legitament score.

At 12/6/04 12:07 PM, Professor_Rhythm wrote: in theory, but as you can see in this example, it hasn't worked

That's why we're making a big effort to catch the people abusing the system, who have a lot of power, so that after their power is taken away, the responsible voters will over power them.

At 12/6/04 11:41 AM, YoinK_VineS wrote:

At 12/6/04 11:34 AM, WadeFulp wrote: This is probably something the author should state in their comments. "Be sure to watch the whole entry! The beginning starts off crappy as a joke!" or something. :)

exactly, sometimes flash artists make a very bad author's comment.
Flash artists that say "vote fifffen!" ... almost everybody won't vote a five or even higher than a one.

then there are flash artists that say.. "well i'll do better next time"
And that will be an indication that the movie isn't very good. Although it might be good enough in which it should be saved on newgrounds.

so in other words, some users will judge based on a person's author's comment.

I for one agree with that. In fact, Jujube Lock made that point clear in his movie "
Avoiding Blamnation (HNT) ". And I quote:

"People on NG will blam your work simply because it has a poor title. A title generally describes content. So if you have a title like "Pointless", people will blam your flash, thinking it is pointless...when choosing a title, be sure to stay away from the generic, be origonal and witty..." "...Another important aspect for first impression is the commentary. Newgroundites are usually unsympathetic and will kill you if it would give them a blam point. Here's an example of what not to say. Telling people you are a 1st time submitter is like wearing a 'Please eat me' sign in a cage filled with Bengal tigers. Also saying your entry might be blammed or asking "Please don't blam this" is like going near a bonfire while you are doused in gasoline. Lastly, don't cop out completely and leave no commentary. If you are too lazy to write a 15 second commentary, then you are probably too lazy to make a decent flash."

At 12/6/04 11:31 AM, WadeFulp wrote: We reward the under judgment voters because it can be a real drag to go through all the crap that comes into the Portal. Also if they do a good job we want to reward them with more voting power so we have informed people making more influence on an entry's score. However, if we catch these people with high voting bonuses abusing their status, we will take their points away.

And thus giving the morons more power to be morons with!

(yeah yeah, negative light ;)

At 12/6/04 11:45 AM, liljim wrote: Is that right.

Comedy gold.

At 12/6/04 11:42 AM, WadeFulp wrote: I often ask when they tell me they support a Democrat for President "So what will Kerry do to help you?

So what has bush done for you, and more importantly, the wider community and the world at large? And what do you expect him to do in the next 4 years?

I don't care much for debates and political speak, and neither do many others. It's Bush's ACTIONS that have spoken to many as being rash, irrational and often deceptive. Luckily, I'm not American so I don't have to support Kerry, but that sure as hell doesn't mean I support Bush. The fact that people are willing to support a rich middle-aged white man they dislike, simply because they dislike another rich, middle-aged white man EVEN MORE says a fuck of a lot. Not only about the candidates themselves but the state of democracy in general.

Bleh, politics. It's lose-lose and you know it. :)

And yeah, "not american, view invalid" but it's pretty much the same in every democratic country. The only difference is, the rest of the world has to hear of America, so they can damn well hear from us. =D

At 12/5/04 11:59 PM, WadeFulp wrote: However, we have been aware of some users abusing our system. They think it is fun to rack up the BLAM and SAVE points we award to our users who take the time to help filter through all the content. These people have been voting on entries without watching them in hopes of increasing their point totals. Well, we have news for you, we know who you are and are watching.

So you mean is the turd movie is 5 mins of crap you have to watch it entirelly and then vote ?

Yo Wade - why doesnt you or Tom answer your e-mails. Lazy poos.

Anyway, I think it's cool that you've enforced this law, but how does it work? If the user has voted say like 0 5 times in a row, does it say "you cannot vote 0 anymore! haha pwnage time begins.. lowering level N to level n-2. mwuaha.. deleting reviews.. delteing experince points". anyway, you catch my drift.

At 12/6/04 03:37 AM, CrowStar wrote:

At 12/6/04 03:20 AM, BananaBread_Muffin wrote: You should put the voting screen at the end of the movie on under judgement entries.

and what about movies that loop?

Curses! Damn you and your clever thinking! Foiled again!

Well.... the voting box should be in the pop up window, I do think that. On all movies. Just to encourage viewing.

At 12/6/04 12:17 PM, pythagoras- wrote: Bleh, politics. It's lose-lose and you know it. :)

Well, that's the truth. In the USA we have to pick between two people, and usually they both stink and we wish there was a better option. So we have to go with one of them, and it's like "Do I want cancer, or aids?" I'll take cancer, because I can still have sex and not worry about infecting someone else. :)

Plus we can only know so much. What these people do behind closed doors is anyone's guess.

Bush is pro-business, so if you work for a living you're probably better off with a Republican in office. Lower taxes, etc. Being married, and a home owner, Bush's tax cuts have been a help for me. I currently do not have to pay a higher tax rate because I'm married, but Kerry and his supporters would rather tax us married folk.

Also 9-11 was a pretty crazy event in our country. Our main financial district was hit. It was a kick in our nuts for sure. The terrorists knew where to hit us where it would hurt the most. So I think any President if forced to make some form of rash decision to respond to such an event. It's going to be a mess for a long time, but I have hope the civilized people of this world will win in the end and future generations will be better off for it.

Oh well, this political shit is getting off topic. :)

Hope it doesnt happen too me(not sayin i do)I just got up to police captain

Hey Wade; 1 Question, does it count if i dont *look* at my submissions before I vote 5 on them? I try to do it everyday to boost my Batting average, i`m not doing nothing illegal, but if i`m not allowed to let me know... I dont want my account blocked (there has enough shit been done on my account)

thanks@!

At 12/6/04 12:31 PM, WadeFulp wrote: I'll take cancer, because I can still have sex and not worry about infecting someone else. :)

Quoted for accuracy. You sly devil *winks and nudges wade akin to Monty Python*

At 12/6/04 12:22 PM, SharkStein wrote: So you mean is the turd movie is 5 mins of crap you have to watch it entirelly and then vote ?

Wade, wanna answer my question ?

At 12/6/04 12:47 PM, SharkStein wrote:

At 12/6/04 12:22 PM, SharkStein wrote: So you mean is the turd movie is 5 mins of crap you have to watch it entirelly and then vote ?

Wade, wanna answer my question ?

This question has been answered already, as other people have asked the exact same thing.

At 12/6/04 12:47 PM, SharkStein wrote:

At 12/6/04 12:22 PM, SharkStein wrote: So you mean is the turd movie is 5 mins of crap you have to watch it entirelly and then vote ?

Wade, wanna answer my question ?

I will answer that question for him, since he has already answered questions like that earlier in this thread.

You don't have to watch the entire movie to vote. Just watch enough of it to make an honest vote. How much of the movie you need to see is your choice. It may be 5 seconds, it may be 2 minutes. Just not 0 seconds. GOT THAT?!

And Wade, if you are reading this, now would be a good time to update the FAQ with this "vote fairly" rule. Wouldn't you agree? By the way, I was wondering if you would make a link for HNT: Abusive Reivews by Jujube Lock for the "Review Guidlines" part of the FAQ. That flash gives more in-depth on what an abusive review looks like and will benefit those who can't (or are too lazy to) read.

At 12/6/04 12:59 PM, WadeFulp wrote: This question has been answered already, as other people have asked the exact same thing.

Ok sorry fot that, Wade !

At 12/6/04 01:00 PM, agatio wrote: I will answer that question for him, since he has already answered questions like that earlier in this thread...

Thanx agatio !

At 12/6/04 12:44 PM, Yesthatsme13 wrote: Hey Wade; 1 Question, does it count if i dont *look* at my submissions before I vote 5 on them? I try to do it everyday to boost my Batting average, i`m not doing nothing illegal, but if i`m not allowed to let me know... I dont want my account blocked (there has enough shit been done on my account)

thanks@!

That's should be fine. If your flash is already on the portal pass judgement it's fine. And if it's your own flash it's fine to give it a five because whether it's bad or not everyone else will really decide on how the scorewill turn out. You can vote on anything you want without watching it if it's passed judgement. If it's in the judgement stage and it's other people's work you should definitely have a good look at the flash before making your voting decision.

At 12/6/04 02:34 AM, MasterGehn wrote: Fascist? Come on, they(admins)'ve got better things to do than to mess with crappy users that abuse a pretty cool system. Those who abide by the ridiculously simple rules and behave normally by voting fairly will never have anything to worry about.

I never said I wasn't in favor of the program. So here's my idea. Either update the voting rules so that people have been warned of the penalty or put a warning up on the portal. The warning wouldn't have to be big.

For the people that don't read the front page news, tough shit!! Read the damn news!!! It's your responsibility as a good little NG user to stay informed...it takes all of about 1 minute every time you're on the site!!! How hard is that??? It's not like every user's getting forced to read 10 pages of bullshit...just simple notices here and there!

More often than not people skip the front page. It takes too long to load and it just wastes time if you only came to vote on submissions.

At 12/6/04 11:33 AM, -Gooie- wrote: I highly doubt that, Wade-poo. Mostly everyone does it, and no, this isn't a confession.

Wade has already proven that he's monitoring the situation. I'm inclined to believe him,

So the Toadies have to be fair now?

No. If you have enough fanboys you can make it look legitimate. Besides it's only one flash and they're looking for trends on people as opposed to trends on flashes.

Ironic that you voted for Bush.

LOL! You went there.

At 12/6/04 11:42 AM, WadeFulp wrote: I find when I meet other Republicans they are very politically informed. However, whenever I meet Democrats they always say "Uh, I don't follow politics" and have no clue what's going on.

You ought to visit the politics forum more often. We find the exact opposite.

"He's not Bush!" etc.

You have to wonder what makes a country vote for an alcoholic who immediately started to sink every business he owned.

Wade procedes to explain.

So you're willing to overlook his evils to get what you need. Ok, I can respect that.

hahahahaha no

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Hey Wade , You gonna answer me or not????????????

At 12/6/04 11:58 AM, Professor_Rhythm wrote:

At 12/6/04 11:56 AM, YoinK_VineS wrote: The people who vote fair will be rewarded with more voting power, but those select individuals who cheat the system and do not vote fair will just lose some of their voting power. So then the people who vote fairly will cause the movie to be judge much more fairly.

What? I voted fairly but I'm not going to get the point because the other 197 people didn't watch it.

I watched it, but i didn't think it deserved to get through the portal. It didn't have any sound, or a preloader and it didn't have a terribly interesting story. I gave it a one, because the person put some effort into the animation, but it had no sound and no greatly memorable storyline which are pretty important in my opinion.