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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-22 16:33:29


At 6/22/05 11:42 AM, Tri-Nitro-Toluene wrote: The latest book i have started to read is called " Paint Your Dragon" by Tom Holt.

It sounds like the writing style of Robert Rankin. Very funny, so do let us know... I'm nearing the end of Fellowship of the Ring (about 100 pages still to go and it's getting better every time I read it)


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-22 16:57:53


At 6/22/05 04:33 PM, Coop83 wrote: It sounds like the writing style of Robert Rankin. Very funny, so do let us know.

Will do. As soon as I finish I'll write a review for it.

Response to The Book Club 2005-06-22 17:39:35


At 6/22/05 11:02 AM, Slightly_Crazy_Dude wrote:
Dune is another classic ruined by being put on film, which brings me to yuour point of the LotR movies being"decent" DECENT, lol, well its your opinion, i totally respect you for it, even though your wrong >:)

I suppose eventually I'll have to succumb myself to reading the LotR series. I think the movies are actually what killed my desire to read the books in the first place, not actually because I avoid the particular genre, but just because after I saw the movies I lost most of my interest in it. I don't hate the genre, I hate the fact that it's raped by people who over use it. There are too many horrible books related to the fantasy genre, and it ruins my faith in the whole thing. A biased opinion, I suppose.

So I'll take your word for it, being a great book... And I'll read it eventually. Hey, it's a classic, and that's grounds enough to give it a chance.

Also, I've never seen the Dune movie, so I don't know awful it is. My ex-girlfriend made me read it, and I thought "this is going to be lame." It ended up being one of the most interesting Sci-Fi books I've read. She was a big LotR's fan, too, though she didn't look it. For christ sakes the girl was prom queen and shit. She was one of those nerds in disguise... Fucking bitch, I hate her, lol... Anyways.

I just finished reading "Brave New World"

Brave New World

First off, this book is great. No. . . This book is amazing. It is one of the best books I've read, up there with Of Mice and Men (Yeah, that's one of my favorite books.) Read this book, or die having an unfulfilled life.

This book has more philosophy, metaphors, and deep meanings than I can shake a stick at. It definitely doesn't waste your time by beating around the bush, and making you read things that are unimportant to the story... Except for maybe the first two chapters, which I absolutely hated.

The first two chapters of the book were a struggle, at least for me anyways. It bored the HELL out of me, and I instantly thought I wouldn't be able to make it through this book. After getting through them, the book hit me in the face with an awesome hammer, and I got sucked right in. I couldn't believe it had gone from "This is probably the most boring thing I've read next to a highschool science book." to "This is one of the most intriguing stories I've ever read."

This book makes you think, think, and think. It also makes you realieze. It makes you realieze how lucky you are, and how misfortunate you are, all at the same time. It's a look into the future, and it's pretty accurate at what is happening to society. It goes on spiels about religion, literature, entertainment, and drugs. It talks about stability in society and people being conditioned into believing certain things. Nobody has a free mind, we believe what we are told. Basically, all of our barins are manufactuered, which ironically, the people in this book are created, like robots. So I love how he does it that way... He writes a book about humanity, and how we are conditioned to believe the things we believe in, and then at the same time the people in this book are actually GROWN.

It's also a fairly quick read. It won't take away all of your free time... So you should read this book >:(

9.5/10

(I've never been good at rating things with numbers.. So I'm going to keep all my ratings from now on, on a scale of .5)


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-23 14:16:26


At 6/22/05 05:39 PM, DirtySyko wrote:
I suppose eventually I'll have to succumb myself to reading the LotR series. I think the movies are actually what killed my desire to read the books in the first place, not actually because I avoid the particular genre, but just because after I saw the movies I lost most of my interest in it. I don't hate the genre, I hate the fact that it's raped by people who over use it. There are too many horrible books related to the fantasy genre, and it ruins my faith in the whole thing. A biased opinion, I suppose.

Yes, with that i will agree on. The fantasy genre is ripped to shreds almost daily with shitty books being published all the time, its seen as nerdy geeky childish, whatever, but ive never cared about what people think anyway, i'll do what i want when i want, and if i want to read a fantasy novel, FUCK THEM.

So I'll take your word for it, being a great book... And I'll read it eventually. Hey, it's a classic, and that's grounds enough to give it a chance.

Indeed, i hope you do, and i hope your prepared for it :D It only took about 100 pages for me to get hooked. The first time i read all three books in three weeks, they were that good.

Also, I've never seen the Dune movie, so I don't know awful it is. My ex-girlfriend made me read it, and I thought "this is going to be lame." It ended up being one of the most interesting Sci-Fi books I've read. She was a big LotR's fan, too, though she didn't look it. For christ sakes the girl was prom queen and shit. She was one of those nerds in disguise... Fucking bitch, I hate her, lol... Anyways.

Just goes to prove image means shit, man, if you knew me, you would realise i live up to my user name. I drink with altr and the drunks, i take drugs smoke, but i read books like its my fucking calling, i know almost anything about Tolkien (Dont beleive me, try me :)), so im an ecclectic mix of things. Anyway, give the books a read if and when you have money/time.

I just finished reading "Brave New World"
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Hmmm, very intresting, sounds quite good, ive seen it advertised over here and i read a review on Play.com, so yeah i might give this a bash after my current books.

Response to The Book Club 2005-06-23 15:05:58


At 6/23/05 02:16 PM, Slightly_Crazy_Dude wrote:
At 6/22/05 05:39 PM, DirtySyko wrote: So I'll take your word for it, being a great book... And I'll read it eventually. Hey, it's a classic, and that's grounds enough to give it a chance.
Indeed, i hope you do, and i hope your prepared for it :D It only took about 100 pages for me to get hooked. The first time i read all three books in three weeks, they were that good.

It's an excellent read, so I'd reccomend it. Be warned that it can be a little long winded, because Tolkien was obsessed with describing everything that he imagined, so as to give the best possible picture of his story.

It is said that a picture is worth 1000 words... I think JRR took this a little too literally.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-24 17:28:22


Hey guys, this seems like a really good club.

I recently finished American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis. This is one of my favorite books of all time, and is a lot different from the movie. The book is a satire on modern living (mocking designer outfits and 'hip' places to go to). Patrick Bateman is the focus of the author's disgust with the modern lifestyle. A handsome and intelligent man, Patrick Bateman works on Wall Street by day and spends his nights in a disturbing life of blood and violence. This book is by no means meant for everyone; because the murders are truly gut wrenching (much like SickDeathFiend's work on NG). However, if you are able to finish this book you will find that it is a hilarious and inspiring bit of writing.

I recommend this book for the NewGround’s audience because I think most people on this site can handle it and even come to really enjoy it.

Response to The Book Club 2005-06-24 20:08:33


At 6/24/05 05:28 PM, -Joel- wrote:
I recently finished American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis.

I may look into it eventually, but I already have some certain books I plan on reading first. 1984, Suicide Casanova, Women, and Fahrenheit 451.

Right now I'm reading Chinese Takeout. It's a good book for anybody who is interested in the art scene, though I haven't gotten very far into it since I just got it yesterday... It could turn into shit, but I doubt it.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-24 23:51:03


Have any of you ever heard of the shadow children sequence? Its a really cool series that takes place in the not to distant future. The government has issued a law which states that a couple can't have more then two children. The books follow the adventures of a boy named Luke who is an illegal child. They also follow his friends and their battles to slowly bring down the government. The books are really well written and will keep you on the edge of you seat, and are full of twists and betrayals. The author's name Margeret Peterson Haddix, and the first book is called Among the Hidden, if any of you are interested.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-25 16:25:20


At 6/24/05 05:28 PM, -Joel- wrote: Hey guys, this seems like a really good club.

Welcome.

I recently finished American Psycho by Bret Easton Ellis.

That sounds really graphically gruesome, but completely compelling. I'll have to give it a shot sometime.

At 6/24/05 11:51 PM, boloneyman wrote: Have any of you ever heard of the shadow children sequence?

This sounds good, but I'm going to give stuff like this a rest for a while... I'm moving into Grisham, after I've re-read all of Lord of the Rings.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-26 00:04:09


At 6/25/05 04:25 PM, Coop83 wrote:
This sounds good, but I'm going to give stuff like this a rest for a while... I'm moving into Grisham, after I've re-read all of Lord of the Rings.

Thats cool, Lord of the Rings is one of my favorite. Another good book is called Silverwing, which tells the tales of a bat named Shade. He gets lost while migrating with his colony and meets another bat named Marina. The start flying south where they meet two out of place Vampire bats, which is when the trouble starts. It may sound silly, but the three books Kenneth Opell have written are very well.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-26 00:26:11


I'm open to reading most kinds of books, but I like adventure fiction (e.g. LOTR series and The HObbit). I also enjoy the classics (Tale of Two Cities, Treasure Island, etc.)...

Right now I'm reading The Conquerors by Michael Beschloss for summer reading. It's pretty good, it pretty much tells the story of the Roosevelt and Truman administration, and how they dealt with post-WWII Germany. Good read for WWII buffs. I've not quite done with it yet but it's pretty much history with a personal spin.

After I'm done with that and my other summer reading books, I want to get to read this collection of Franz Kafka's work. I've always heard is works are confusing and uses non-linear logic, but when I heard about The Metamorphosis (guy wakes up turned into a cockroach), I had to check it out : )

Also, has anyone here read A Farewell To Arms? I read it recently and I thought it was different, but pretty good. Just wondering if anyone here has read it so I can get their opinions of it...

Response to The Book Club 2005-06-26 03:03:05


I've read several books this past week... The one i most recently finished is Vigil by Robert Masello.

My Thoughts: I thought it was a very good book. Its about a fossil that some people find and stuff happens (i dont really want to give anything away in case anyone reads it)... Basically (in my opinion) it started off real nice and slow but it started to pick up really fast in the middle and it seemed like Mr. Masello got really carried away near the end and it really ends fast and with a bang... And lastly theres alot of sex that i think is unneeded but adds a nice touch :D

Rating: 6.5/10


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-26 16:05:59


Title : Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Author : John Ronald Ruell Tolkien
Date of Publication : 1954
ISBN : 0-261-10235-4

"In a sleepy little village in the Shire, a young hobbit is entrusted with an immense task. He must make a perilous journey across Middle-earth to the Cracks of Doom. there to destroy the ruling ring of power - the only thing that prevents the Dark Lord's evil dominion.

Writing style.

I have read Tolkien before. He is a very enjoyable author to read, but he can be long winded in his descriptions. His descriptions are so good that they do paint a vivid picture in my mind as to the goings on, but they can become tedious at times.

Would I reccomend it?

This is definately a must read for anyone. You will find it hard in places, but there is no reason on Earth, why you should not read it. (Not even because you've seen the movies. There are huge chunks to be missed.)

My Rating : 8/10

I'm not giving this any higher, because I've taken nearly six months to read it. It's only 535 pages, for god's sake. I got really bogged down around Tom Bombardil and had to look for the dictionary from time to time, but it's still one of the best books I've ever read. (this is the third time of asking on this one, I think.)

Happy and patient reading. I'm continuing the Lord of the Rings, with the next part, The Two Towers. I shall not stop until they have all been read.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-26 16:29:15


At 6/26/05 04:05 PM, Coop83 wrote:

Happy and patient reading. I'm continuing the Lord of the Rings, with the next part, The Two Towers. I shall not stop until they have all been read.

Well you won't be disappointed they just get better and better as you go along. As you said, some parts can be long-winded, but it's definitely worth reading. It should tell you something that the books are still ten times better than the movies (because the movies are really good). They're just that good.

Response to The Book Club 2005-06-26 16:35:03


I have committed a horrible act... :(

I didn't read yesterday. I read a book everyday, along with things like forums, current events, other types of articles... Etc. BUT I DIDN'T READ ANYTHING FROM A BOOK YESTERDAY! Yes, I have put a dent in the space time continuem, thingy. Life as we know it has ended. I have failed. I am an awful, stupid person :(

I'll have to read my book doubly today, to make up for my mishap.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-26 17:02:51


At 6/26/05 04:35 PM, DirtySyko wrote: I have committed a horrible act... :(

I didn't read yesterday. I read a book everyday, along with things like forums, current events, other types of articles... Etc. BUT I DIDN'T READ ANYTHING FROM A BOOK YESTERDAY! Yes, I have put a dent in the space time continuem, thingy. Life as we know it has ended. I have failed. I am an awful, stupid person :(

Oh no! It's ok don't beat yourself up about, you are not the only one (and come to think of it, some people do this on purpose o__O). Why they do, I don't know, reading=the greatness.


I'll have to read my book doubly today, to make up for my mishap.

Good strategy. That's usually what I do, especially since I usually read before I go to sleep, so there's a lot more room for error there (i.e. "ah I'm too tired I'll read double tomorrow...).

Response to The Book Club 2005-06-26 20:58:57


Well, your club is officialy a copy club, but who cares? I don't.

Can I join?


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-26 21:06:21


At 6/26/05 08:58 PM, JackOfShadows wrote: Well, your club is officialy a copy club, but who cares? I don't.

Are you sure, this club is pretty old. Its lack of pages is just due to LordSkeletor never being around and its on again, off again dieing trend.

Can I join?

Anyway can. People just post book reviews and discuss novels whenever they can.

Response to The Book Club 2005-06-26 23:41:48


Book: The Jester
Author: James Patterson
Pages:467

Overview: Hugh De Luc returns from the Crusades to discover that his terrifying nightmare has just begun. Merciless killers have slain his young son, kidnapped his wife, Sophie, and destroyed his town in their search for a priceless relic from the Crucifixion.

My Thoughts: This is the best book i've read in a while. I like books about ancient history with characters, whether its fiction or not, i just like it in story form. This was a lot of fun for me to read (it took two days for me to read)... I cant really figure out to what to say (cause im exhausted)... Basically this is my favorite book i've read in a while, it might be one of my favorite books ever...

Rating: 10/10 (if anyone else reads this book you might not think the 10/10)


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-27 06:51:30


At 6/26/05 09:06 PM, Myst_Williams wrote:
Are you sure, this club is pretty old. Its lack of pages is just due to LordSkeletor never being around and its on again, off again dieing trend.

Yup, this club came a few months earlier.

Well, I've recently re-read Jack of Shadows and The Lord Of Light. Both are excellent books, like pretty much everything by Zelazny. I'll post a review later.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-27 16:15:11


Dammit. Looks like someone beat me to the punch. I was thinking of starting a similar club myself but I suppose I'd be insane to think that it hasn't been done before. Thank God for the search function. Nothing worse than starting up a new thread only to get it jumped on from all angles by the NG intelligentsia. I've learned my lesson.

So as far as I can tell, there aren't any rankings or member numbers or any of that crap so I'd like to ask politely if I can join. To be completely honest with you all, I'm likely to be one of the slowest readers in here just because I'm more of a movie person myself but I have been trying to get back into the habit of reading and that is one of the main reasons that I am here right now, submitting my application, as it were. Unfortunately, because of the fact that I am such a slow reader -- poor example, I know, but it took me two months to read the fifth Harry Potter book a few days ago and another two months to read a biography on Alfred C. Kinsey earlier this year -- I actually have a very poor grasp on contemporary literature. However, I hope to be able to make up for that with the English Literature 12 course I took last semester and my resultant knowledge about poetry of the past millennium.

I haven't actually read all that much, by the way. For the first two years of my high school career, I, in all my adolescent myopicism, limited myself to bestseller lists comprised of mediocre potboilers and little else. Thus, I have read more Crichton than Shakespeare, Ludlum than Huxley and Rowling than Tolkien. Yes, let the lynching begin. But I am not a complete idiot. I delve into non-fiction occasionally, my favourite novel is J.D. Salinger's "The Catcher In The Rye" -- which only makes sense given my age -- and I am proud to be able to say that I attend live theatre regularly and know enough about contemporary drama to be able to hold my own if someone were to bring up Beckett or Pinter over dinner. (Shut up, I only know the absurdists.) That, and I read an average of one book a month. Rumour has it that if one keeps that up until their fifties, by that time, they'll have read more than 90% of the population. Useless fact for you all there. Just thought you might appreciate that.

And just to wrap this up, I am currently reading "Tokyo Cancelled" by Rana Dasgupta. It's more or less Chaucer's "The Canterbury Tales" taking place in a 21st-century airport, except that all the stories are modern versions of old fairy tales or fables. I'm only a quarter of the way in so far, but imagine the Rapunzel story being told in present day India with passing references to Colgate and TV soap operas. So far, it's one of the best books I've ever read. But hey, given my reading history, maybe that doesn't mean much. I'll check back in a week or two. With or without a proper review. Such is life.

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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-27 16:57:55


At 6/26/05 08:58 PM, JackOfShadows wrote: Well, your club is officialy a copy club, but who cares? I don't.

Can I join?

Welcome aboard, Jack. Long time, no see.

At 6/27/05 04:15 PM, biteme2514 wrote: So as far as I can tell, there aren't any rankings or member numbers or any of that crap so I'd like to ask politely if I can join. To be completely honest with you all, I'm likely to be one of the slowest readers in here just because I'm more of a movie person myself but I have been trying to get back into the habit of reading and that is one of the main reasons that I am here right now, submitting my application, as it were. Unfortunately, because of the fact that I am such a slow reader -- poor example, I know, but it took me two months to read the fifth Harry Potter book a few days ago and another two months to read a biography on Alfred C. Kinsey earlier this year -- I actually have a very poor grasp on contemporary literature. However, I hope to be able to make up for that with the English Literature 12 course I took last semester and my resultant knowledge about poetry of the past millennium.

Welcome to the club.

Don't worry about being a slow reader. It took me 6 months to read Fellowship of the Ring and I still enjoyed it. So long as reading gives you enjoyment, there is still purpose to reading, regardless of what speed you do it at. Don't try and read really fast, because you'll only end up missing out huge chunks of plotline. Eventually, you'll find something that really flows for you and you notice you go through it a lot quicker. (One of my friends read Lord of the Rings in three days, whereas he takes months to read a Terry Pratchett. I'm the other way around.)


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-27 19:15:52


At 6/27/05 04:15 PM, biteme2514 wrote: my favourite novel is J.D. Salinger's "The Catcher In The Rye"

You seem rather nice and so I feel pretty bad saying this. Still, I think that book is one of the worst in history. I just can't understand what is so great about a book about a nut case who can't avoid cursing and is filled with teen angst. The book is just horrible.

Anyway, don't sell yourself too short. You should be more self confident.

At 6/27/05 04:57 PM, Coop83 wrote:
Welcome aboard, Jack. Long time, no see.

Thanks, nice to see an alias I recognize.

One of my friends read Lord of the Rings in three days, whereas he takes months to read a Terry Pratchett. I'm the other way around.

Well, I read the Two Towers in two days, so I guess that if I really pushed my limit I could read the whole trilogy in three days. Lately, I don't have that much time for reading, still I average about a book per week.

Well, here's my review for Zelazny's Lord of the Light.

Lord of the Light

Plot: The book speaks of Sam, who goes by many names, including Budha and Kalkin, and his fight against the Gods. The Gods are actualy humans with suppernatural abbilities who deified themselves in an attempt to control the planet and prevent technological progress. Sam believes that technology should be given to humanity and so he sets out to defy the Heavens and change the world.

Writing Style: Excellent, to say the least. I just can't get enough of it. Like many others of his books, it is written in a language simple enough to be easily understendable, yet is complex enough to keep the reader interested. Each chapter opens with an ancient text taken from the Hindu scripts plus a short summary of the beggining of the chapter and some background info.

Characters: Each has a personality and motives of his own. Each character has his\her own way of doing things and they act according to it. The characters were put considerable thought into, as each one has a personality of his\her own and they all stay true to it trought the book.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-28 14:34:35


At 6/27/05 07:15 PM, JackOfShadows wrote:
At 6/27/05 04:15 PM, biteme2514 wrote: my favourite novel is J.D. Salinger's "The Catcher In The Rye"
You seem rather nice and so I feel pretty bad saying this. Still, I think that book is one of the worst in history. I just can't understand what is so great about a book about a nut case who can't avoid cursing and is filled with teen angst. The book is just horrible.

Please, to each his own. I have to disagree though. First off, I'm not going to try and convince you it's the best book ever written. It's my favourite novel at the moment but I'm fairly certain that that will change as I read more in future. But, in an effort to convince you that the book is by no means "one of the worst in history", I hereby apologize for the following longueur.

Let me start off by saying that starting September, I'm going to be studying film at a local college. I'm going to be finding out what it's like to work on an independent film set and I'll be able to carry a production all the way from idea to completion. Yet, the area where I've shown the most interest to this date is in the writing. I hope to one day become an accomplished screenwriter and because of this, I've been researching the field at my hometown library. And that is where I found Robert McKee's guide to screenwriting, "Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting". One of the earlier chapters, as I recall, contains a breakdown of about a hundred different films into three main plot categories: the Archplot (Lord of the Rings, Jaws), the Miniplot (Lost In Translation, Before Sunrise) and the Antiplot (which is not necessary to go into here). And although at the moment, I am discussing film, I believe the same applies to literature. I believe that novels can also be broken down into Archplot (typical Man vs. Outside Influence where all the action is external), and Miniplot (Man vs. Self where all the action is internal and very little seems to actually "happen"). And it is here that we come back to "The Catcher In The Rye", what I feel to be an obvious Miniplot story written in what literary critics like to refer to as 'stream-of-consciousness format', which, of course, accounts for all the swearing and unavoidable teen angst, which I still hold to be an accurate portrayal of a young man caught up in the throes of an existential crisis. To me, this Salinger novel is completely brilliant in the way that it unfolds, carrying the protagonist from near-despair to renewed hope in the world in the span of two-and-a-half days in a completely plausible chain of events. And when Holden Caulfield turns to his friend, Sally Hayes, in Chapter 17 and asks her, "[D]id you ever get scared that everything was going to go lousy unless you did something?", only to not really take action for the rest of the book, the reader is pleasantly reminded of not only "Hamlet", but also "Waiting For Godot". The question Holden poses to Sally Hayes is one that I'm sure we all ponder on time and time again, but the central theme of all these three works -- rather, all these three works of literature -- is in the fact that more often than not, we just can't do anything about our given situations due to forces beyond our control. It is this inapparent depth to the novel that had me coming back a second time to reread it and in all honesty, I'm quite likely to venture a third before the year is up.

That having been said, I've noticed that you, JackOfShadows, are much more of an Archplot person than myself. You seem to love sci-fi and fantasy and this is even evident in the films that you watch. I couldn't help noticing that Starship Troopers is one of your favourite films so there is no doubt in my mind that you have read the Heinlein novel as well. Personally, I'm not too big on either of those genres. You're much more likely these days -- all Crichton and Ludlum aside -- to catch me reading something more low-key, something more 'Miniplot'. And I suppose that this is where my appreciation for "The Catcher In The Rye" stems. Therefore, you shouldn't expect me to appreciate, say, "The Hobbit" or a Robert Jordan, just as I wouldn't expect you to fall madly in love with "The Catcher In The Rye" or watch Lost In Translation six times without getting bored as I have. But to wrap this up, like I said before, to each his own. "The Catcher In The Rye" is not one of the worst novels of all time.

Oh, and I get the cursing complaint. I really do. But remember how Holden tries to rub out all those obscenities in Phoebe's school in Chapter 25? I'd say that says a lot about Holden's true character, wouldn't you?

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Good reviews coming through here. I'm encouraged by them.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I think the club is well and truly alive once more!


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-28 19:44:07


At large I have no argument with you. Still, I thought that I should adress a few points.

At 6/28/05 02:34 PM, biteme2514 wrote:
I couldn't help noticing that Starship Troopers is one of your favourite films so there is no doubt in my mind that you have read the Heinlein novel as well.

I haven't read the novel, simply because I don't like Heinlein. His style, as well as the assumptions about the future that he makes in his books, seem absolete to me.

Therefore, you shouldn't expect me to appreciate, say, "The Hobbit" or a Robert Jordan, just as I wouldn't expect you to fall madly in love with "The Catcher In The Rye" or watch Lost In Translation six times without getting bored as I have.

Couldn't agree more.

; But to wrap this up, like I said before, to each his own. "The Catcher In The Rye" is not one of the worst novels of all time.

Well, it is in my opinion, however you're entitled to an opinion of your own.

Oh, and I get the cursing complaint. I really do. But remember how Holden tries to rub out all those obscenities in Phoebe's school in Chapter 25? I'd say that says a lot about Holden's true character, wouldn't you?

Yes, it shows just how much of a hipocrat he is.

Has anyone here read the original une novels? It's amazing. Even if you don't like sci-fi you are likely to enjoy the rich language and all the philosofical (don't want to check the spelling so you'll have to guess which word I was trying to use) questions the book raise. The more I read the more awed I'm filled with. Frank Herbert must have had a PhD in philosophy or something.


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I have another book that I read a few years ago and found it in a box today. Red Dog Is a book about a boy named Adam who lives in Wyoming, in the late 1800's. He lives with his sister, mother, step-father and his dog . He really hates his step-father, but when he leaves to Cheyenne for a week end, Adam is the man of the house. During this time a group of men storm the house looking for the deed to the land. The deed is not in the house, it is being picked up in Cheyenne. Then men keep the family hostage and wait for the step-father to return with the deed. When the men are asleep Adam is ab;e to sneak out, so he is stuck in the middle of the wilderness with the men treacking him with his own dog. The book sounds average but has some really exciting part and puts you in the characters view. People get killed, so its not for kids. Pick it up if you find it, its written by Bill Wallace.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-30 10:14:57


At 6/28/05 07:44 PM, JackOfShadows wrote: Has anyone here read the original une novels? It's amazing. Even if you don't like sci-fi you are likely to enjoy the rich language and all the philosofical (don't want to check the spelling so you'll have to guess which word I was trying to use) questions the book raise. The more I read the more awed I'm filled with. Frank Herbert must have had a PhD in philosophy or something.

I've never read Dune, but I've always wanted to. I just get to a situation where I'd like to read it and someone comes along and gives me a copy of a book and says 'Hey Coop, this is such a great book, read it and tell me what you think!'

I will read it someday. The main problem I have is that I've run out of space to put my book collection. It's taken up most of my room, as we speak.


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Response to The Book Club 2005-06-30 11:25:03


Awesome, this club has truelly been given a breathe of fresh air. Nice to see new members joining, especially an oldschool NG veteran like Ben, coming in to discuss things.

Iam still reading The Sword of Truth Saga, its a shame really, that i only have time to read at the weekend due to shift work, but i get through atl;east 100 pages a night if not more, so i fully expect it will be finished this weekend.

JackOfShadows, are you constantly going around in clubs and just disagreeing with people for the fun of it? Thats all the sort of posts i see form you recently, whats wrong with you huh? I know people are entitled to their own opinions, but shit, if you must disagree with everyone, then dont post at all.

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At 6/30/05 11:25 AM, Slightly_Crazy_Dude wrote: Awesome, this club has truelly been given a breathe of fresh air. Nice to see new members joining, especially an oldschool NG veteran like Ben, coming in to discuss things.

Amen.

JackOfShadows, are you constantly going around in clubs and just disagreeing with people for the fun of it? Thats all the sort of posts i see form you recently, whats wrong with you huh? I know people are entitled to their own opinions, but shit, if you must disagree with everyone, then dont post at all.

Caution, we are standing by at Mod-factor 3 here. Don't piss him off too much more or he'll use his god-like mod powers on all of us!

I'm glad to say that the reading is flowing again, after the blip on my radar which was Fellowship of the Ring. I'm aiming to get therough the rest of the LotR books soon and then move on to Shogun by James Clavell, Maybe a bit more Discworld and then some of Anne McCaffrey's Dragonriders of Pern series.


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