Like is it because shes a WOMAN? Because its different from other shows? God damn who elese is kinda tired of this shit?
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I love Viv but this post shows me OP doesn't understand why there was controversy around her to begin with.
Viv is very much love or hate. Her designs are very much stereotypical 2009 deviantart and she's extremely opinionated online, even willing to make dumb changes because she liked it. Plus the writing isn't the best. I didn't like hazbin hotel, but I can enjoy watching helluva boss.
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At 4/15/25 09:16 AM, xeiavica wrote:Viv is very much love or hate. Her designs are very much stereotypical 2009 deviantart and she's extremely opinionated online, even willing to make dumb changes because she liked it. Plus the writing isn't the best. I didn't like hazbin hotel, but I can enjoy watching helluva boss.
and thats good! ur opinion is safe here. very clean and not over the top. what doesnt make sense to me is that when she wants to make a show with her own choices (which so many people do), she always is gettin dunked on. probably just becuase the ppl who do that are racist or sexist fucks but idk
also most opinions are valid for everyone to me so she can have them too just sayin
At 4/15/25 05:45 PM, coolCartz427 wrote:At 4/15/25 09:16 AM, xeiavica wrote:Viv is very much love or hate. Her designs are very much stereotypical 2009 deviantart and she's extremely opinionated online, even willing to make dumb changes because she liked it. Plus the writing isn't the best. I didn't like hazbin hotel, but I can enjoy watching helluva boss.
and thats good! ur opinion is safe here. very clean and not over the top. what doesnt make sense to me is that when she wants to make a show with her own choices (which so many people do), she always is gettin dunked on. probably just becuase the ppl who do that are racist or sexist fucks but idk
also most opinions are valid for everyone to me so she can have them too just sayin
I think the reason why some of it is getting dunked on is because Vivziepop is I guess kinda bad at responding or handling some subjects say appropriately
like I recall now if anyone has further knowledge on this correct me if I’m missing anything or screwed somethin up but I think Vivzie kinda does a bad job at responding to criticism especially regarding more sensitive topics which I think sometimes she kinda represented very poorly and all and she just did a very bad job at responding to the criticism regarding how some characters in her work went through some say sensitive stuff and I think the representation on the character was pretty poor too?
I don’t really watch Vivzie’s stuff so don’t take my word as gospel here but I remember what I said above kinda making big news sometime back so I think that’s kinda why? But I’ve seen some of helluva boss and I admit it’s pretty alright and funny in some parts.
Her shows have a lot, and I mean a lot, of writing problems and Viv herself is kinda cringy sometimes but the hatedom she has is bizarre. I'm all for memeing on VIvize's writing and character design but these people act like she killed there dog and slept with their dad. Actual predators don't get this much hate. I can only assume misogyny is somewhat involved because the male writers don't get half of the hate she does.
At 4/15/25 06:08 AM, DioShiba wrote:I love Viv but this post shows me OP doesn't understand why there was controversy around her to begin with.
fr 😭
At 4/16/25 12:07 PM, Jasonbunny wrote:At 4/15/25 05:45 PM, coolCartz427 wrote:At 4/15/25 09:16 AM, xeiavica wrote:Viv is very much love or hate. Her designs are very much stereotypical 2009 deviantart and she's extremely opinionated online, even willing to make dumb changes because she liked it. Plus the writing isn't the best. I didn't like hazbin hotel, but I can enjoy watching helluva boss.
and thats good! ur opinion is safe here. very clean and not over the top. what doesnt make sense to me is that when she wants to make a show with her own choices (which so many people do), she always is gettin dunked on. probably just becuase the ppl who do that are racist or sexist fucks but idk
also most opinions are valid for everyone to me so she can have them too just sayin
I think the reason why some of it is getting dunked on is because Vivziepop is I guess kinda bad at responding or handling some subjects say appropriately
like I recall now if anyone has further knowledge on this correct me if I’m missing anything or screwed somethin up but I think Vivzie kinda does a bad job at responding to criticism especially regarding more sensitive topics which I think sometimes she kinda represented very poorly and all and she just did a very bad job at responding to the criticism regarding how some characters in her work went through some say sensitive stuff and I think the representation on the character was pretty poor too?
I don’t really watch Vivzie’s stuff so don’t take my word as gospel here but I remember what I said above kinda making big news sometime back so I think that’s kinda why? But I’ve seen some of helluva boss and I admit it’s pretty alright and funny in some parts.
Well to be fair I do recall that she one time made a commission for someone who was transphobic and that ended up causing her to get flak.
There are some other situations that go into this but in short she's not exactly the best when it comes to handling social situations online. Hell I'm no saint in that department but I don't think it blew up nearly as much as all the fuck ups Viv had when she got famous.
At 4/16/25 02:11 PM, Artcompany wrote:Her shows have a lot, and I mean a lot, of writing problems and Viv herself is kinda cringy sometimes but the hatedom she has is bizarre. I'm all for memeing on VIvize's writing and character design but these people act like she killed there dog and slept with their dad. Actual predators don't get this much hate. I can only assume misogyny is somewhat involved because the male writers don't get half of the hate she does.
I'm not entirely sure where you're getting that idea.
Unless you're hyperfixating on the noise she gets herself involved in, several male writers and show runners have gotten as much shit if not getting cancelled over their stupid decisions and sexual harrassment to a far higher degree than Viv does and the more infamous examples involve John Kirkfaluci, Chris Savino, and that one neckbeard who made Mighty Magiswords. All three of whom have in fact been ousted as predators in one way or another mind you.
I feel like I should find the exact article I found on all the controversies relating to Viv because I feel like a lot of people view her as overly problematic when, from what I have read she made stupid decisions and engaged with a lot of drama when she didn't need to and that's in part of her being human.
At 4/14/25 07:57 PM, coolCartz427 wrote:Like is it because shes a WOMAN?
I think this is a big reason, yes. She's not supposed to be successful, more importantly she's not supposed to be arrogant about it (like ALL male artists tend to be and are celebrated for) which reminds me of the systemic mental attacks which are part of the unfortunate career of Lauryn Hill who was doing the exact same thing as male rappers that got a pass and were not targeted in concentric circles of conspiracy against them. It's misogyny on many different social levels (conscious, unconscious, and part of a long standing prefiguration older than Rome) with the effect that you can recognize in a million other famous women (Yoko Ono, Patti Smith, name any and you'll get a massive contrast with male celebrities which are also scrutinized but 'forgiven' for human inconsistency way more than women could hope) that is a product of alienation.
Like, we rely on our mothers alone and have done so in Western society since 1920s. Not only was it pushed hard for families to be isolated (no grandparents, extended families, or at least they are pushed to never help each other with child care or support) but men spend all their time at work, die in war, die early from smoking or heavy drinking (encouraged by work cultures) or simply go out for cigarettes and never come back. Long story short: human beings today in the West rely 100% only on their mother or some female caretaker in which all those early projections and Oedipal theories of mental development become extremely toxic. The misogyny is so extreme and deep, like poisoning the aquafer it's impossible to escape. Even female feminists struggle with their own misogynistic reactions and 'directed' jealousy by a culture that has always hated women and this new trans-obsession is another code for that (they really don't give a fuck about women transitioning to men, this is a clue).
Obviously Viviziepop is not a perfect person and no one's singular creative vision DESERVES to be so ubiquitous in the indie animation scene (But no one deserves this "generosity". The Beatles, no matter how good they were, should not have ever been so extremely worshiped in culture) but unlike other creators she also triggers an underlying rancor and loathing that individual haters don't understand is classically Freudian (Vivizie, to them, is stealing from 'daddy' Vaszquez and the Invader Zim feel-goods nostalgia while also making it gross and unfunny with dumb sex jokes). No one else but you mentioned the misogyny underneath it all. I know this is long winded but I wanted you to know you weren't crazy to think the main reason was hating women in general.
why was there controversy around her to begin with?
At 4/15/25 06:08 AM, DioShiba wrote:I love Viv but this post shows me OP doesn't understand why there was controversy around her to begin with.
At 4/18/25 01:08 AM, Volpon wrote:why was there controversy around her to begin with?At 4/15/25 06:08 AM, DioShiba wrote:I love Viv but this post shows me OP doesn't understand why there was controversy around her to begin with.
Didn't she hire somebody that had a rape fetish to write a SA scene?
At 4/18/25 08:47 AM, Hydweebers wrote:Didn't she hire somebody that had a rape fetish to write a SA scene?
Yeah, she did.
Blargh
I have the best opinion which is I don't care.
I don't hate her because she's a woman in the animation industry. I'm not sexist. I just hate her personality and how she handles things on the internet.
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At 4/18/25 09:39 AM, itsDrep wrote:At 4/18/25 08:47 AM, Hydweebers wrote:Didn't she hire somebody that had a rape fetish to write a SA scene?
Yeah, she did.
You'd think someone would bring that up in the thread about vivsi's controversys but no the biggest controversy is that she's annoying and her show is shitly written lol
so nothing really, just the usual background malevolence
At 4/18/25 07:56 AM, DioShiba wrote:At 4/18/25 01:08 AM, Volpon wrote:why was there controversy around her to begin with?At 4/15/25 06:08 AM, DioShiba wrote:I love Viv but this post shows me OP doesn't understand why there was controversy around her to begin with.
Here is a source on it
do not shoot the messenger (me, whimsical wife newgrounds) as i do not think often or strongly of viviziepop but i have listened to some videos as backround noise that have had more substantial claims than "vivziepop is freaky and weird and annoying..."
vivziepop is a bad person - part one by autistic swag
vivziepop is a bad person - part two by autistic swag
vivziepop v ken draw by justice for artists
Personally not really a big fan of her hell themed projects but i did stick around for her earlier on, like pre-hazbin pilot. the most i can say is she's a bit too sensitive to be as engaged in twitter as she is but again, i am not really invested in this vivianne pop. hopefully the thread gets something out of the videos i linked otherwise i dunno
one time i had a dream vivziepop herded me into a room with several other popular animators and said we were making like hazbin hotel two or something for newgrounds and i went "no miss pop! i cant, sorry!" and she gave me an utterly enraged look and i saw my follower count bleed heavily till i begged for her forgiveness and it stopped. i do not know why i dreamt this. vivziepop please dont beat my ass
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At 4/16/25 02:11 PM, Artcompany wrote:Her shows have a lot, and I mean a lot, of writing problems and Viv herself is kinda cringy sometimes but the hatedom she has is bizarre. I'm all for memeing on VIvize's writing and character design but these people act like she killed there dog and slept with their dad. Actual predators don't get this much hate. I can only assume misogyny is somewhat involved because the male writers don't get half of the hate she does.
I'm not entirely sure where you're getting that idea.
Unless you're hyperfixating on the noise she gets herself involved in, several male writers and show runners have gotten as much shit if not getting cancelled over their stupid decisions and sexual harrassment to a far higher degree than Viv does and the more infamous examples involve John Kirkfaluci, Chris Savino, and that one neckbeard who made Mighty Magiswords. All three of whom have in fact been ousted as predators in one way or another mind you.
I was referring to the male writers of the show not getting the same amount of criticism for their writing despite having the same flaws if not worse, for example Brandon Rodgers' skits are 90% "screaming the fuck word is funny" but Vivzie is one who gets most of the hate for the dialog. My bad for phrasing that weirdly.
As for the predators not getting justice thing just look at every male actor/writer etc in Hollywood that got exposed for sexual misconduct and still has a job. Hell look at the president! There are also a lot of e celebs not facing any consequences either. I guess that is more of a problem with society as a whole but it pisses me off all the same.
I feel like I should find the exact article I found on all the controversies relating to Viv because I feel like a lot of people view her as overly problematic when, from what I have read she made stupid decisions and engaged with a lot of drama when she didn't need to and that's in part of her being human.
I agree she's no saint but it's way overblown.
At 4/18/25 03:17 PM, Artcompany wrote:At 4/16/25 02:11 PM, Artcompany wrote:Her shows have a lot, and I mean a lot, of writing problems and Viv herself is kinda cringy sometimes but the hatedom she has is bizarre. I'm all for memeing on VIvize's writing and character design but these people act like she killed there dog and slept with their dad. Actual predators don't get this much hate. I can only assume misogyny is somewhat involved because the male writers don't get half of the hate she does.
I'm not entirely sure where you're getting that idea.
Unless you're hyperfixating on the noise she gets herself involved in, several male writers and show runners have gotten as much shit if not getting cancelled over their stupid decisions and sexual harrassment to a far higher degree than Viv does and the more infamous examples involve John Kirkfaluci, Chris Savino, and that one neckbeard who made Mighty Magiswords. All three of whom have in fact been ousted as predators in one way or another mind you.
I was referring to the male writers of the show not getting the same amount of criticism for their writing despite having the same flaws if not worse, for example Brandon Rodgers' skits are 90% "screaming the fuck word is funny" but Vivzie is one who gets most of the hate for the dialog. My bad for phrasing that weirdly.
As for the predators not getting justice thing just look at every male actor/writer etc in Hollywood that got exposed for sexual misconduct and still has a job. Hell look at the president! There are also a lot of e celebs not facing any consequences either. I guess that is more of a problem with society as a whole but it pisses me off all the same.
I feel like I should find the exact article I found on all the controversies relating to Viv because I feel like a lot of people view her as overly problematic when, from what I have read she made stupid decisions and engaged with a lot of drama when she didn't need to and that's in part of her being human.
I agree she's no saint but it's way overblown.
Even her abandoned web comic from like 10 years ago was pretty badly written. She has never really been a good writer. It's better than the crap she was posting on deviantart years ago, but that isn't saying much since the bar is extremely low in that regard.
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i don't have any interest in watching her shows but i will never forgive her for having a shot at having a character based off of cajun/creole culture and making them a stripper named motherfuckin Jambalaya like we can't have SHIT
(I also heard the character does voodoo shit which i'm pretty sure is something you are not supposed to do. But i don't know enough to really have an opinion on that or if it was done tastefully or not i just know cajun culture does not get shit you could of done something actually kinda cool, but no, Jambalaya stripper)
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At 4/18/25 07:56 AM, DioShiba wrote:At 4/18/25 01:08 AM, Volpon wrote:why was there controversy around her to begin with?At 4/15/25 06:08 AM, DioShiba wrote:I love Viv but this post shows me OP doesn't understand why there was controversy around her to begin with.
Here is a source on it
More like non-troversies! Tch! Terrible what passes for a controversy these days...
Christ, the shit in that link is such drama-on-the-highschool-quad level cockery and that's ignoring it was all debunked. But bro, didn't she once brush her sleeve against a guy who was ousted as a Ponzi schemer three years later? Burn the witch! She turned me into a newt!
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I got better.
Whatever. Peeps hate on her cause she found success being obnoxious and loud with equally obnoxious and loud content and dammit, only manchildren are allowed to do that! Miss me with this shit.
At 4/14/25 07:57 PM, coolCartz427 wrote:Like is it because shes a WOMAN? Because its different from other shows? God damn who elese is kinda tired of this shit?
(your opinions safe with me if you make it civil and not childish)
She has more alligations than a white guy on 4chan at this point. Also how the women are written as well as sensitive topics like assault etc are portrayed in Hazbin.
The hate is justified .
I’m not a fan of that anorexic art style. So I just don’t consume it. I don’t think it’s worth going after her cause I’m bored of her stuff. Some people obviously like it. I don’t consider it cause she’s a woman or whatever. Funko pops could be designed by a woman and I still wouldn’t like it.
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Some of the hatred has been preemptive like High Guardian Spice having many low scores when it only aired few minutes. It is not a good series but still did not deserve to be treated like that.
Some of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss unfair hatred may have been preemptive. Assumptions that they refuse to accept they made a mistake. There was Mimzy being called Jewish stereotype but she was not Jewish, but the leader of cannibal town Rosie is.
Production is hard to tell with Hazbin Hotel as they are working with Amazon and we likely not able to know the whole truth for years.
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Helluva Boss is slowly turning into Glee in Hell essentially. A song here and there is nice, but there's been one every episode lately. Plus, it's been WAY more focused on the characters rather than what it is they are doing in the first place. Hopefully things get back on track, but with Millie being pregnant now, I don't know.
Although I like Keith David, I do hate that he got the role of Husk in Helluva Boss once it got green lit over Mick Lauer (our own @RicePirate).
At 4/16/25 12:07 PM, Trilobiteproductions wrote:At 4/15/25 05:45 PM, coolCartz427 wrote:At 4/15/25 09:16 AM, xeiavica wrote:Viv is very much love or hate. Her designs are very much stereotypical 2009 deviantart and she's extremely opinionated online, even willing to make dumb changes because she liked it. Plus the writing isn't the best. I didn't like hazbin hotel, but I can enjoy watching helluva boss.
and thats good! ur opinion is safe here. very clean and not over the top. what doesnt make sense to me is that when she wants to make a show with her own choices (which so many people do), she always is gettin dunked on. probably just becuase the ppl who do that are racist or sexist fucks but idk
also most opinions are valid for everyone to me so she can have them too just sayin
I think the reason why some of it is getting dunked on is because Vivziepop is I guess kinda bad at responding or handling some subjects say appropriately
like I recall now if anyone has further knowledge on this correct me if I’m missing anything or screwed somethin up but I think Vivzie kinda does a bad job at responding to criticism especially regarding more sensitive topics which I think sometimes she kinda represented very poorly and all and she just did a very bad job at responding to the criticism regarding how some characters in her work went through some say sensitive stuff and I think the representation on the character was pretty poor too?
I don’t really watch Vivzie’s stuff so don’t take my word as gospel here but I remember what I said above kinda making big news sometime back so I think that’s kinda why? But I’ve seen some of helluva boss and I admit it’s pretty alright and funny in some parts.
alright cool. i see ya and yea ig i can just except that she cant handle criticism. but the way i see it, is that she can do what she wants with her own story and characters like plenty of other creators do and make ppl who like the show happy. nobodys perfect and to me thats fine.
u can now call me a dumbass i suppose if all dat sucked.
At 4/16/25 02:11 PM, Artcompany wrote:Her shows have a lot, and I mean a lot, of writing problems and Viv herself is kinda cringy sometimes but the hatedom she has is bizarre. I'm all for memeing on VIvize's writing and character design but these people act like she killed there dog and slept with their dad. Actual predators don't get this much hate. I can only assume misogyny is somewhat involved because the male writers don't get half of the hate she does.
THIS!
yea sure shes like that but some things she did are obviously made up for attention and hate. like hate on yandredev cuz hes like actually a loser lol
At 4/16/25 04:55 PM, DioShiba wrote:At 4/16/25 12:07 PM, Jasonbunny wrote:At 4/15/25 05:45 PM, coolCartz427 wrote:At 4/15/25 09:16 AM, xeiavica wrote:Viv is very much love or hate. Her designs are very much stereotypical 2009 deviantart and she's extremely opinionated online, even willing to make dumb changes because she liked it. Plus the writing isn't the best. I didn't like hazbin hotel, but I can enjoy watching helluva boss.
and thats good! ur opinion is safe here. very clean and not over the top. what doesnt make sense to me is that when she wants to make a show with her own choices (which so many people do), she always is gettin dunked on. probably just becuase the ppl who do that are racist or sexist fucks but idk
also most opinions are valid for everyone to me so she can have them too just sayin
I think the reason why some of it is getting dunked on is because Vivziepop is I guess kinda bad at responding or handling some subjects say appropriately
like I recall now if anyone has further knowledge on this correct me if I’m missing anything or screwed somethin up but I think Vivzie kinda does a bad job at responding to criticism especially regarding more sensitive topics which I think sometimes she kinda represented very poorly and all and she just did a very bad job at responding to the criticism regarding how some characters in her work went through some say sensitive stuff and I think the representation on the character was pretty poor too?
I don’t really watch Vivzie’s stuff so don’t take my word as gospel here but I remember what I said above kinda making big news sometime back so I think that’s kinda why? But I’ve seen some of helluva boss and I admit it’s pretty alright and funny in some parts.
Well to be fair I do recall that she one time made a commission for someone who was transphobic and that ended up causing her to get flak.
There are some other situations that go into this but in short she's not exactly the best when it comes to handling social situations online. Hell I'm no saint in that department but I don't think it blew up nearly as much as all the fuck ups Viv had when she got famous.At 4/16/25 02:11 PM, Artcompany wrote:
Her shows have a lot, and I mean a lot, of writing problems and Viv herself is kinda cringy sometimes but the hatedom she has is bizarre. I'm all for memeing on VIvize's writing and character design but these people act like she killed there dog and slept with their dad. Actual predators don't get this much hate. I can only assume misogyny is somewhat involved because the male writers don't get half of the hate she does.
I'm not entirely sure where you're getting that idea.
Unless you're hyperfixating on the noise she gets herself involved in, several male writers and show runners have gotten as much shit if not getting cancelled over their stupid decisions and sexual harrassment to a far higher degree than Viv does and the more infamous examples involve John Kirkfaluci, Chris Savino, and that one neckbeard who made Mighty Magiswords. All three of whom have in fact been ousted as predators in one way or another mind you.
I feel like I should find the exact article I found on all the controversies relating to Viv because I feel like a lot of people view her as overly problematic when, from what I have read she made stupid decisions and engaged with a lot of drama when she didn't need to and that's in part of her being human.
why are you preaching so loud my boi PREACH LOUDER.
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