At 3/23/25 05:15 PM, pinmoBOT wrote:There wouldn't be a Fallout New Vegas if Fallout 3 didn't exist. A lotta oldheads get hung up on Fallout 3 streamlining the rpg elements used in Oblivion, but developers don't have infinite time to make the perfect game. Fallout 3 is an imperfect game because they retrofitted a medieval-fantasy rpg using swords and magic into a scifi one using guns and explosives. I don't think it was a bad game when it released and it was able to afford the devs at Obsidian time to make a better Fallout game.

At 3/24/25 01:25 AM, Narratorway wrote:The most succinct way I've heard it put is that FO3 is a perfectly fine Bethesda Open-World RPG, but a terrible Fallout game.

The thing that confuses me is that it seems nobody has yet to realize that's the point. Bethesda was never interested in making Fallout games, it was interested in making Bethesda games with Fallout's setting as indicated by the fact that that's what they've been doing with every version of Fallout they've made.

At 3/24/25 08:43 AM, NemesisGrime wrote:

At 3/24/25 01:25 AM, Narratorway wrote:The most succinct way I've heard it put is that FO3 is a perfectly fine Bethesda Open-World RPG, but a terrible Fallout game.

The thing that confuses me is that it seems nobody has yet to realize that's the point. Bethesda was never interested in making Fallout games, it was interested in making Bethesda games with Fallout's setting as indicated by the fact that that's what they've been doing with every version of Fallout they've made.

No the original 2 are bad as games, sure they have better writing, but the gameplay it just isn't good. It would've worked better as a choose your own adventure book.

At 3/24/25 03:46 PM, Narratorway wrote:

At 3/24/25 08:43 AM, NemesisGrime wrote:

At 3/24/25 01:25 AM, Narratorway wrote:The most succinct way I've heard it put is that FO3 is a perfectly fine Bethesda Open-World RPG, but a terrible Fallout game.

The thing that confuses me is that it seems nobody has yet to realize that's the point. Bethesda was never interested in making Fallout games, it was interested in making Bethesda games with Fallout's setting as indicated by the fact that that's what they've been doing with every version of Fallout they've made.

No the original 2 are bad as games, sure they have better writing, but the gameplay it just isn't good. It would've worked better as a choose your own adventure book.

As a response, that is so far removed from anything I said, that I'm genuinely unsure if quoting me in your post was an accident or not.

At 3/24/25 09:52 AM, kmau wrote:

At 3/24/25 08:27 AM, NemesisGrime wrote:Idk I kind of like the ending, it felt more emotional then everybody besides your faction died.

It's subjective, but to me the ending is fundamentally at odds with a roleplaying game where you can solve quests in different ways. You need to push a button inside of a deadly radiation chamber and have multiple companions who are immune to radiation at your disposal to solve that problem - but the game doesn't let you, just so it can force an emotional full-circle ending.

Also liberty prime was neat, sure he did need some tweaking in the walk to Jefferson Memorial, but is still pretty cool.

I don't think the janky walk is the problem, it's that I have to watch the final boss take out all the bad guys for twenty minutes while keeping my distance and praying that the game doesn't crash.. there is no gameplay.

No the original 2 are bad as games, sure they have better writing, but the gameplay it just isn't good. It would've worked better as a choose your own adventure book.

1 and 2 did age a bit, but I wouldn't call the gameplay bad just because you couldn't get into it. Imagine the world we would live in if people did that all the time.

At 3/24/25 03:46 PM, Narratorway wrote:

At 3/24/25 08:43 AM, NemesisGrime wrote:

At 3/24/25 01:25 AM, Narratorway wrote:The most succinct way I've heard it put is that FO3 is a perfectly fine Bethesda Open-World RPG, but a terrible Fallout game.

The thing that confuses me is that it seems nobody has yet to realize that's the point. Bethesda was never interested in making Fallout games, it was interested in making Bethesda games with Fallout's setting as indicated by the fact that that's what they've been doing with every version of Fallout they've made.

No the original 2 are bad as games, sure they have better writing, but the gameplay it just isn't good. It would've worked better as a choose your own adventure book.

As a response, that is so far removed from anything I said, that I'm genuinely unsure if quoting me in your post was an accident or not.

At 3/24/25 07:37 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:

At 3/24/25 09:52 AM, kmau wrote:

At 3/24/25 08:27 AM, NemesisGrime wrote:Idk I kind of like the ending, it felt more emotional then everybody besides your faction died.

It's subjective, but to me the ending is fundamentally at odds with a roleplaying game where you can solve quests in different ways. You need to push a button inside of a deadly radiation chamber and have multiple companions who are immune to radiation at your disposal to solve that problem - but the game doesn't let you, just so it can force an emotional full-circle ending.

Also liberty prime was neat, sure he did need some tweaking in the walk to Jefferson Memorial, but is still pretty cool.

I don't think the janky walk is the problem, it's that I have to watch the final boss take out all the bad guys for twenty minutes while keeping my distance and praying that the game doesn't crash.. there is no gameplay.

No the original 2 are bad as games, sure they have better writing, but the gameplay it just isn't good. It would've worked better as a choose your own adventure book.

1 and 2 did age a bit, but I wouldn't call the gameplay bad just because you couldn't get into it. Imagine the world we would live in if people did that all the time.

I might try and give 2 or 1 another shot, I finally somewhat understand the gameplay.

At 3/25/25 12:58 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:

At 3/24/25 07:37 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:I might try and give 2 or 1 another shot, I finally somewhat understand the gameplay.

These are actually extremely hard games, so i'll throw out some tips since you are trying them out.

At 3/25/25 12:58 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:

At 3/24/25 07:37 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:

At 3/24/25 09:52 AM, kmau wrote:

At 3/24/25 08:27 AM, NemesisGrime wrote:Idk I kind of like the ending, it felt more emotional then everybody besides your faction died.

It's subjective, but to me the ending is fundamentally at odds with a roleplaying game where you can solve quests in different ways. You need to push a button inside of a deadly radiation chamber and have multiple companions who are immune to radiation at your disposal to solve that problem - but the game doesn't let you, just so it can force an emotional full-circle ending.

Also liberty prime was neat, sure he did need some tweaking in the walk to Jefferson Memorial, but is still pretty cool.

I don't think the janky walk is the problem, it's that I have to watch the final boss take out all the bad guys for twenty minutes while keeping my distance and praying that the game doesn't crash.. there is no gameplay.

No the original 2 are bad as games, sure they have better writing, but the gameplay it just isn't good. It would've worked better as a choose your own adventure book.

1 and 2 did age a bit, but I wouldn't call the gameplay bad just because you couldn't get into it. Imagine the world we would live in if people did that all the time.

I might try and give 2 or 1 another shot, I finally somewhat understand the gameplay.

These are actually extremely hard games, so i'll throw out some tips since you are trying them out.

At 3/25/25 05:50 PM, SteveMaddenFootball wrote:Fallout 3. It's a Bethesda game, it does what you expect from it.

How many of you blew up Megaton?

I've never managed to do an evil playthrough in any Fallout game, yet. Maybe it's just severe autism, but I feel too bad for the people, I don't want to do those kinds of things.

At 3/25/25 06:25 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:

At 3/25/25 05:50 PM, SteveMaddenFootball wrote:Fallout 3. It's a Bethesda game, it does what you expect from it.

How many of you blew up Megaton?

I've never managed to do an evil playthrough in any Fallout game, yet. Maybe it's just severe autism, but I feel too bad for the people, I don't want to do those kinds of things.

I haven't, though I do plan to.

At 3/25/25 06:28 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:

At 3/25/25 06:25 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:

At 3/25/25 05:50 PM, SteveMaddenFootball wrote:Fallout 3. It's a Bethesda game, it does what you expect from it.

How many of you blew up Megaton?

I've never managed to do an evil playthrough in any Fallout game, yet. Maybe it's just severe autism, but I feel too bad for the people, I don't want to do those kinds of things.

I haven't, though I do plan to.

I need those darn caps

At 3/25/25 06:29 PM, SteveMaddenFootball wrote:

At 3/25/25 06:28 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:

At 3/25/25 06:25 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:

At 3/25/25 05:50 PM, SteveMaddenFootball wrote:Fallout 3. It's a Bethesda game, it does what you expect from it.

How many of you blew up Megaton?

I've never managed to do an evil playthrough in any Fallout game, yet. Maybe it's just severe autism, but I feel too bad for the people, I don't want to do those kinds of things.

I haven't, though I do plan to.

I need those darn caps

Think of all the people, they don't deserve any of that.

At 3/25/25 06:36 PM, enemyslime wrote:I had a great time with it. I don't remember anything 'bad' about it really. Other than the inability to skip the intro cutscene of course...
Retrospectively there are probably people who look at it and think it's bad because:

At 3/25/25 06:23 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:

These are actually extremely hard games, so i'll throw out some tips since you are trying them out.

Now I think about it the reason I found fallout 1 and 2 to be confusing is that they were advertised as turn based rpgs, but to me they are more like strategy games.

At 3/22/25 03:04 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:I like fallout New Vegas, I like fallout 3. See the problem? Because I don't, but for some reason (most) fallout New Vegas fans hate on it. Fallout 3 has a lot of good aspects, like the better map, side quests, and the beginning tutorial. Sure New Vegas is still good, but 3 gets hated for no reason.