I like fallout New Vegas, I like fallout 3. See the problem? Because I don't, but for some reason (most) fallout New Vegas fans hate on it. Fallout 3 has a lot of good aspects, like the better map, side quests, and the beginning tutorial. Sure New Vegas is still good, but 3 gets hated for no reason.
All I do with Fallout is steal and kill and end up fucking someone by the endgame
I felt like it crashed all the time and the framerate collapsed under its own weight the more you got into the game
I played Fallout 3 when it first came out, and I loved it.
I played Fallout NV for the first time this year, and i absolutely hated it.
(I'd probably feel the same way about Fallout 3 if i played it for the first time in 2025)
I'm assuming it just aged like milk, because everyone swears its better than FO3... but I've been away from the Bethesda jank for so long that going back to it is borderline unplayable.
От каждого по способностям, каждому по потребностям
Fallout 3 isn't that bad compared to the modern stuff, but it was incredibly disappointing compared to the old ones.
It felt like a parody of the original title.
The example that comes to my mind:
in the first Fallout, you can convince the Master (end boss) that his plan is flawed and drive him to self destruct.
For this you need a character with high intelligence and dialogue skill, but you also need to know why his plan couldn't work, and explain it to him without angering him.
The dialogue choices happen organically, they don't tell you which are the good choices, because the devs were roleplayers, and the idea is to allow you to embody you character, not obsess about stats.
Compare with F3
It's dumb, they got told this was in the OG game so they included it as a callback, yay..
So yeah, OG Fallouts were passion projects by very smart people. (see Postmortem interview by Tim Caine)
They were heartfelt, original, consistent, humorous, sometimes cruel, sometimes optimistic, and put a huge emphasis on player freedom.
No railroading, no forcing moral choices, but having you live with the consequences of your actions if you did horrible things.
Fallout 3 was a cash grab by corpos to milk money out of nostalgia.
It's not an atrocious game, but it sucks for those that hoped something in the original spirit.
So yeah, maybe it doesn't make sense in a modern context,
but it does if you take it from the start.
At 3/22/25 03:04 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:I like fallout New Vegas, I like fallout 3. See the problem? Because I don't, but for some reason (most) fallout New Vegas fans hate on it. Fallout 3 has a lot of good aspects, like the better map, side quests, and the beginning tutorial. Sure New Vegas is still good, but 3 gets hated for no reason.
At 3/23/25 12:02 AM, Volpon wrote:Fallout 3 isn't that bad compared to the modern stuff, but it was incredibly disappointing compared to the old ones.
It felt like a parody of the original title.
The example that comes to my mind:
in the first Fallout, you can convince the Master (end boss) that his plan is flawed and drive him to self destruct.
For this you need a character with high intelligence and dialogue skill, but you also need to know why his plan couldn't work, and explain it to him without angering him.
The dialogue choices happen organically, they don't tell you which are the good choices, because the devs were roleplayers, and the idea is to allow you to embody you character, not obsess about stats.
Compare with F3
It's dumb, they got told this was in the OG game so they included it as a callback, yay..
So yeah, OG Fallouts were passion projects by very smart people. (see Postmortem interview by Tim Caine)
They were heartfelt, original, consistent, humorous, sometimes cruel, sometimes optimistic, and put a huge emphasis on player freedom.
No railroading, no forcing moral choices, but having you live with the consequences of your actions if you did horrible things.
Fallout 3 was a cash grab by corpos to milk money out of nostalgia.
It's not an atrocious game, but it sucks for those that hoped something in the original spirit.
So yeah, maybe it doesn't make sense in a modern context,
but it does if you take it from the start.At 3/22/25 03:04 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:I like fallout New Vegas, I like fallout 3. See the problem? Because I don't, but for some reason (most) fallout New Vegas fans hate on it. Fallout 3 has a lot of good aspects, like the better map, side quests, and the beginning tutorial. Sure New Vegas is still good, but 3 gets hated for no reason.
Yeah that does make sense, but as a game it's pretty solid for most of the beginning
At 3/22/25 07:10 PM, olskoo wrote:I felt like it crashed all the time and the framerate collapsed under its own weight the more you got into the game
Were you playing on ps3?
At 3/23/25 09:44 AM, NemesisGrime wrote:At 3/22/25 07:10 PM, olskoo wrote:I felt like it crashed all the time and the framerate collapsed under its own weight the more you got into the gameWere you playing on ps3?
I sure was
At 3/23/25 10:51 AM, olskoo wrote:At 3/23/25 09:44 AM, NemesisGrime wrote:I sure wasAt 3/22/25 07:10 PM, olskoo wrote:I felt like it crashed all the time and the framerate collapsed under its own weight the more you got into the gameWere you playing on ps3?
that's the worst way to play it
At 3/22/25 03:04 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:I like fallout New Vegas, I like fallout 3. See the problem? Because I don't, but for some reason (most) fallout New Vegas fans hate on it. Fallout 3 has a lot of good aspects, like the better map, side quests, and the beginning tutorial. Sure New Vegas is still good, but 3 gets hated for no reason.
I never got that either, I really enjoyed fallout 3. Its annoying too because you know the talk about it has stopped people who would've enjoyed it from trying it out in the first place. Same thing happened to me with Dark souls 2. I didn't play it forever because people said it was "the bad one" I just went through it the first time though and I honestly think it is one of my favorite souls games now.
Yeah that does make sense, but as a game it's pretty solid for most of the beginning
Yeah in a vaccuum it's a pretty cool game
I played Fallout 3 in the early '10s. Sometime after Skyrim I think, which I had gotten sick of after a fair amount of hours on the PS3 version.
Frankly, I was appalled by how poor it was, though in general I am not a huge fan of the Bethesda style of game for almost anything. I found no particular memorable characters or storylines, and it really lacked a sense of roleplaying. The shooting feels terrible, and I wasn't a fan of picking up all the random garbage off of corpses and random places.
Haven't played New Vegas, but my friends swear it's much, much better. Maybe some day I'll give it a try.
Fallout 4 was my first FO game into the series. Went backwards and played Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 1, and Fallout 2 (still need to finish fo2 and play tactics & bos).
When I got to Fallout 3.. I was severely disappointed and enraged. Seriously, just playing the opening act of Fo3 made me mad. Last I played it, I was at that VR vault with the creepy girl and man, everything is so bland. The characters, the environment, the story, the player characters dad, the dlcs (only played 1 so ehh), and the puke green filter goddamn.
Fo4 I have a love/hate relationship with. With Fo3 all I have is a hate relationship. Aside from Dogmeat, there's nothing good about Fo3 that I like. I'm not a Fallout veteran either so I'm not too gung-ho about how Bethesda changed the formula. It's cool if it's somebody's favorite entry and got them into the Fallout series, but it just doesn't do it for me.
The reputation of Fallout 3 felt like it plummeted quickly after about a year or two, which really felt odd to me at the time. While they were radically different from the original Fallout games, that was to be expected, considering the FPS genre was white hot and was easy to transfer towards.
I would imagine that the criticism of F3 is more of a referendum of Bethesda now being stuck in 2012 in terms of game design. Also, Fallout 3 is still a great game, but it's a game that has shown its age and a lot of ways that would get it criticized heavily, even if most of them were biased and/or superficial.
Just stop worrying, and love the bomb.
I just don't like how you put on power armor how you would put on clothes
At 3/23/25 02:29 PM, Gravster wrote:Fallout 4 was my first FO game into the series. Went backwards and played Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 1, and Fallout 2 (still need to finish fo2 and play tactics & bos).
When I got to Fallout 3.. I was severely disappointed and enraged. Seriously, just playing the opening act of Fo3 made me mad. Last I played it, I was at that VR vault with the creepy girl and man, everything is so bland. The characters, the environment, the story, the player characters dad, the dlcs (only played 1 so ehh), and the puke green filter goddamn.
Fo4 I have a love/hate relationship with. With Fo3 all I have is a hate relationship. Aside from Dogmeat, there's nothing good about Fo3 that I like. I'm not a Fallout veteran either so I'm not too gung-ho about how Bethesda changed the formula. It's cool if it's somebody's favorite entry and got them into the Fallout series, but it just doesn't do it for me.
Play anchorage it's super fun
At 3/23/25 03:47 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:At 3/23/25 02:29 PM, Gravster wrote:Fallout 4 was my first FO game into the series. Went backwards and played Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 1, and Fallout 2 (still need to finish fo2 and play tactics & bos).Play anchorage it's super fun
When I got to Fallout 3.. I was severely disappointed and enraged. Seriously, just playing the opening act of Fo3 made me mad. Last I played it, I was at that VR vault with the creepy girl and man, everything is so bland. The characters, the environment, the story, the player characters dad, the dlcs (only played 1 so ehh), and the puke green filter goddamn.
Fo4 I have a love/hate relationship with. With Fo3 all I have is a hate relationship. Aside from Dogmeat, there's nothing good about Fo3 that I like. I'm not a Fallout veteran either so I'm not too gung-ho about how Bethesda changed the formula. It's cool if it's somebody's favorite entry and got them into the Fallout series, but it just doesn't do it for me.
Anchorage is 1 of the 2 dlcs I have for Fo3. While it's not enough for me to pick up Fo3 again.. it was different, had good end loot, less loot & shoot pace that I enjoyed, and neat insight into the past.
I can't judge all of Fo3's dlcs in whole cause I've only played one. So yea lol
There wouldn't be a Fallout New Vegas if Fallout 3 didn't exist. A lotta oldheads get hung up on Fallout 3 streamlining the rpg elements used in Oblivion, but developers don't have infinite time to make the perfect game. Fallout 3 is an imperfect game because they retrofitted a medieval-fantasy rpg using swords and magic into a scifi one using guns and explosives. I don't think it was a bad game when it released and it was able to afford the devs at Obsidian time to make a better Fallout game.
At 3/22/25 03:04 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:3 gets hated for no reason.
There are plenty of valid criticisms of Fallout 3. My personal biggest ones are:
- The writing has no nuance: You have good knights, evil knights, orcs and sometimes you have Liam Neeson. The ending with the radiation chamber is ridiculous. The only quest that intrigued me was Tenpenny Tower.
- Completely unprotected settlements or even single households are out in the middle of nowhere with barely any thought put into agriculture or fortification against threats. New Vegas has one mining camp that does this too, but they at least put someone on lookout duty.
- People behave like average americans who just walked into the apocalypse yesterday.
- The concept of cleaning your house is alien to most capital-wastelanders.
- Leans too heavily into the quirky 1950s thing (something F4 dialed up even more) when it wasn't really prominent in the originals.
- Liberty Prime is terrible. I really don't like the idea and how he was used.
To sum it up, F3 has all of the weaknesses of an Elder Scrolls game with none of the strengths of a Fallout game.
Personally, the reasons I disliked it were mostly narrative.
This is an issue that is exacerbated in Fallout 4, but Bethesda's writing strategy for Fallout has consistently been to obsess over the pre-war era (which I never found all that compelling personally, in fact I feel like it detracts from what they're trying to do most of the time) and shoehorn in family drama.
New Vegas was better to me because I could moreorless decide who my character was and play a different and unique character each time I went through the game, which is impossible to do in 3 and much more impossible to do in 4.
From a gameplay perspective, I wasn't a fan of percentage chances to pass skill checks: kinda destroys a lot of the point of building a unique character when you can just save-scum. New Vegas and 3 are equally as bad in that a lot of the time, the optimal path is to just invest in dialogue and avoid conflict.
I think New Vegas and 4 are just more well known, making 3 seem less liked.
At 3/22/25 03:04 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:I like fallout New Vegas, I like fallout 3. See the problem? Because I don't, but for some reason (most) fallout New Vegas fans hate on it. Fallout 3 has a lot of good aspects, like the better map, side quests, and the beginning tutorial. Sure New Vegas is still good, but 3 gets hated for no reason.
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The most succinct way I've heard it put is that FO3 is a perfectly fine Bethesda Open-World RPG, but a terrible Fallout game.
The thing that confuses me is that it seems nobody has yet to realize that's the point. Bethesda was never interested in making Fallout games, it was interested in making Bethesda games with Fallout's setting as indicated by the fact that that's what they've been doing with every version of Fallout they've made.
At 3/23/25 10:51 AM, olskoo wrote:At 3/23/25 09:44 AM, NemesisGrime wrote:I sure wasAt 3/22/25 07:10 PM, olskoo wrote:I felt like it crashed all the time and the framerate collapsed under its own weight the more you got into the gameWere you playing on ps3?
Oof. Found your problem, lad.
I could give you a paragraph, or possibly multiple, but I feel like I wouldn't be able to word it as well as this bloke could: https://youtu.be/DncbhIOJrb8
What are you looking at?
At 3/23/25 08:51 PM, TheJayJay wrote:At 3/22/25 03:04 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:I like fallout New Vegas, I like fallout 3. See the problem? Because I don't, but for some reason (most) fallout New Vegas fans hate on it. Fallout 3 has a lot of good aspects, like the better map, side quests, and the beginning tutorial. Sure New Vegas is still good, but 3 gets hated for no reason.
idk fuckin watch this or something
I think it'd be more convincing to show why New Vegas is better to explain the problems with fallout 3:
At 3/23/25 06:53 PM, kmau wrote:At 3/22/25 03:04 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:3 gets hated for no reason.
There are plenty of valid criticisms of Fallout 3. My personal biggest ones are:
To sum it up, F3 has all of the weaknesses of an Elder Scrolls game with none of the strengths of a Fallout game.
Idk I kind of like the ending, it felt more emotional then everybody besides your faction died.
At 3/23/25 06:53 PM, kmau wrote:At 3/22/25 03:04 PM, NemesisGrime wrote:3 gets hated for no reason.
There are plenty of valid criticisms of Fallout 3. My personal biggest ones are:
To sum it up, F3 has all of the weaknesses of an Elder Scrolls game with none of the strengths of a Fallout game.
Also liberty prime was neat, sure he did need some tweaking in the walk to Jefferson Memorial, but is still pretty cool.
At 3/23/25 02:18 PM, PlayingPS2 wrote:I played Fallout 3 in the early '10s. Sometime after Skyrim I think, which I had gotten sick of after a fair amount of hours on the PS3 version.
Frankly, I was appalled by how poor it was, though in general I am not a huge fan of the Bethesda style of game for almost anything. I found no particular memorable characters or storylines, and it really lacked a sense of roleplaying. The shooting feels terrible, and I wasn't a fan of picking up all the random garbage off of corpses and random places.
Haven't played New Vegas, but my friends swear it's much, much better. Maybe some day I'll give it a try.
It takes a little bit more time for it to get good, but it is pretty fun once you start ring a ding ding
At 3/22/25 08:22 PM, 5ERGEI wrote:I played Fallout 3 when it first came out, and I loved it.
I played Fallout NV for the first time this year, and i absolutely hated it.
(I'd probably feel the same way about Fallout 3 if i played it for the first time in 2025)
I'm assuming it just aged like milk, because everyone swears its better than FO3... but I've been away from the Bethesda jank for so long that going back to it is borderline unplayable.
No I played it last year and it was still pretty good. Though the game is a bit jank, and the gunplay sucks, it can get fun at points.
