At 2/4/25 03:15 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 2/4/25 10:01 AM, Atastic wrote:Thanks for the support everyone!!! 😊😊😊
Congratulations! I love the silent-era/three-panel-newspaper feel of your stuff. Experiment with art/animation all you want (newspaper comics certainly did) but don't listen to @Anonymous-Frog about length. What you can do purely visually in just a short time is a lot of the charm IMO. It always makes my day.
I assure you everything I said is mostly factual.
At 2/4/25 03:25 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:At 2/4/25 03:15 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 2/4/25 10:01 AM, Atastic wrote:Thanks for the support everyone!!! 😊😊😊
Congratulations! I love the silent-era/three-panel-newspaper feel of your stuff. Experiment with art/animation all you want (newspaper comics certainly did) but don't listen to @Anonymous-Frog about length. What you can do purely visually in just a short time is a lot of the charm IMO. It always makes my day.
I assure you everything I said is mostly factual.
So you lied about some things? Only "Mostly" factual?
At 2/4/25 03:30 PM, LoadedComic552 wrote:At 2/4/25 03:25 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:At 2/4/25 03:15 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 2/4/25 10:01 AM, Atastic wrote:Thanks for the support everyone!!! 😊😊😊
Congratulations! I love the silent-era/three-panel-newspaper feel of your stuff. Experiment with art/animation all you want (newspaper comics certainly did) but don't listen to @Anonymous-Frog about length. What you can do purely visually in just a short time is a lot of the charm IMO. It always makes my day.
I assure you everything I said is mostly factual.
So you lied about some things? Only "Mostly" factual?
One person here said he prefers if Atastic kept pumping out quick toons rather than allow his craft to improve.
And I don’t blame him.
Everything else should be correct.
Two clock animations today?
The flash flood begins.
At 2/4/25 03:37 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:One person here said he prefers if Atastic kept pumping out quick toons rather than allow his craft to improve.
And I don’t blame him.
That ignores the whole "mostly factual" side of this but nice deflect! :D
At 2/4/25 03:44 PM, LoadedComic552 wrote:At 2/4/25 03:37 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:One person here said he prefers if Atastic kept pumping out quick toons rather than allow his craft to improve.
And I don’t blame him.
That ignores the whole "mostly factual" side of this but nice deflect! :D
I will admit, I wasn’t being very clear here, so I’ll elaborate.
I said; “Knowing these guys, I think they'll appreciate you a lot more if you amped your game up.”. This part is hyperbole, given that at least one person’s belief on the matter doesn’t reflect that.
Usually he’s the one pressing me on this stuff.
At 2/4/25 03:37 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:[One person]
Every time you do this to me, I will correct you. Almost 600 people voted on the top five alone. The forums almost never decide "the type of stuff that usually makes 1st pace [sic]", let alone a single person.
At 2/4/25 04:10 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 2/4/25 03:37 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:[One person]
Every time you do this to me, I will correct you. Almost 600 people voted on the top five alone. The forums almost never decide "the type of stuff that usually makes 1st pace [sic]", let alone a single person.
Yet you don’t correct the rest of the claim?
Ie. regarding Atastic's skill + effort, vs other movies/creators, might I add
At 2/4/25 04:02 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:At 2/4/25 03:44 PM, LoadedComic552 wrote:At 2/4/25 03:37 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:One person here said he prefers if Atastic kept pumping out quick toons rather than allow his craft to improve.
And I don’t blame him.
That ignores the whole "mostly factual" side of this but nice deflect! :D
I will admit, I wasn’t being very clear here, so I’ll elaborate.
I said; “Knowing these guys, I think they'll appreciate you a lot more if you amped your game up.”. This part is hyperbole, given that at least one person’s belief on the matter doesn’t reflect that.
Strange you can recognize that opinions on what people enjoy can differ, yet still try to lecture someone on how to do stuff better according to you specifically. Going out of your way to say, with "sources" that other animations "looks nicer" and have "more detail" instead of just keeping your opinion to yourself and ignoring the content you don't like! :D Maybe if you made daily top spot a few times then your words about having an "objective opinion" and all this art knowledge you seem so proud of as to give tips and tricks to someone who DID get a daily top spot, would hold more firm. I say do it! Go ahead and show us how to get a top daily spot since you're just so knowledgeable about the subject! If it's so easy that you're confident in giving your tips, surely you could use them to get a spot? But hey that's just my opinion as a silly girl on the internet teehee.
At 2/4/25 04:22 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:Yet you don’t correct the rest of the claim?
Dude. All of the artist you cite literally have fewer number ones than Atastic in the last year (no offence to them). One of them has never reached number one ever. If anything, Atastic should be giving out the tips.
The "analysis" is a joke from the start.
Anonymous Frog is such a selfish prick that he's ready to cheer at the literal IRL death of someone whose content he doesn't like.
That's why I don't take his opinions with a grain of salt anymore but just straight up dismiss them. I'd recommend you guys do the same.
At 2/4/25 04:33 PM, Czyszy wrote:Anonymous Frog is such a selfish prick that he's ready to cheer at the literal IRL death of someone whose content he doesn't like.
That's why I don't take his opinions with a grain of salt anymore but just straight up dismiss them. I'd recommend you guys do the same.
Spec-ed all his stats into the "Hater" skill tree.
Also I just wanted to give him a little push back since he comes in here all the time with shit like this, and nothing to support him but ego. Just makes me boil. So full of himself yet so empty.
At 2/4/25 04:22 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:Ie. regarding Atastic's skill + effort, vs other movies/creators, might I add
Please stop abusing the edit feature. It's beneath even you.
Regarding effort and skill:
Many clocks seem to strugge with the concept that quickly covering ideas well is a skill itself, and takes effort. See the many famouses variations on the famous quote "I apologise, I did not have the time to write a shorter letter." The brevity of Atastic's works *is* the skill and effort being shown.
The same with the simplified art style. Knowing what detail/frames/motion to drop *is* the art.
At 2/4/25 04:29 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 2/4/25 04:22 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:Yet you don’t correct the rest of the claim?
Dude. All of the artist you cite literally have fewer number ones than Atastic in the last year (no offence to them). One of them has never reached number one ever. If anything, Atastic should be giving out the tips.
The "analysis" is a joke from the start.
My point was about how well their movies hold up physically, compared to Atastic, bringing up factors such as detail, fluidity, and runtime as factors, yet you conflate that with how many trophies they've won.
At 2/4/25 04:42 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:At 2/4/25 04:29 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 2/4/25 04:22 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:Yet you don’t correct the rest of the claim?
Dude. All of the artist you cite literally have fewer number ones than Atastic in the last year (no offence to them). One of them has never reached number one ever. If anything, Atastic should be giving out the tips.
The "analysis" is a joke from the start.
My point was about how well their movies hold up physically, compared to Atastic, bringing up factors such as detail, fluidity, and runtime as factors, yet you conflate that with how many trophies they've won.
oh yeah , well uh .. shut up >:c
At 2/4/25 04:42 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:My point was about how well their movies hold up physically, compared to Atastic, bringing up factors such as detail, fluidity, and runtime as factors, yet you conflate that with how many trophies they've won.
And everyone else's point is that although those can and do contribute to the artistic impact of a piece, they are not the end all nor the be all nor even the main factor. To wit: years from now when I inevitably see healer referenced, I'm going to smile and think "ah, such a little goof" and think of all the lunch breaks made a little better. That *is* holding up the way people want their works to hold up.
At 2/4/25 04:33 PM, Czyszy wrote:[...] I don't take his opinions with a grain of salt anymore but just straight up dismiss them. I'd recommend you guys do the same.
With respect, every day is someone's first day in the forums. Without pushback, people who "speak for the community" will be taken as such and people have and will bail as a result.
At 2/4/25 05:33 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 2/4/25 04:42 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:My point was about how well their movies hold up physically, compared to Atastic, bringing up factors such as detail, fluidity, and runtime as factors, yet you conflate that with how many trophies they've won.
And everyone else's point is that although those can and do contribute to the artistic impact of a piece, they are not the end all nor the be all nor even the main factor. To wit: years from now when I inevitably see healer referenced, I'm going to smile and think "ah, such a little goof" and think of all the lunch breaks made a little better. That *is* holding up the way people want their works to hold up.
So you accept that they are lower quality? other people have accepted they are lower quality, and yet they still don't care?
At 2/4/25 05:37 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:So you accept that they are lower quality? other people have accepted they are lower quality, and yet they still don't care?
Quite the opposite actually. Detail and runtime (especially runtime) contribute less to quality than "makes me smile".
At 2/4/25 05:54 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 2/4/25 05:37 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:So you accept that they are lower quality? other people have accepted they are lower quality, and yet they still don't care?
Quite the opposite actually. Detail and runtime (especially runtime) contribute less to quality than "makes me smile".
I meant on a technical level.
At 2/4/25 05:59 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:At 2/4/25 05:54 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 2/4/25 05:37 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:So you accept that they are lower quality? other people have accepted they are lower quality, and yet they still don't care?
Quite the opposite actually. Detail and runtime (especially runtime) contribute less to quality than "makes me smile".
I meant on a technical level.
i never use this site but you're so mad and getting roasted so hard i just had to log in and see it by myslef lmaoooo
At 2/4/25 05:59 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:I meant on a technical level.
And on that you're correct. The issue is that even with detail and fluidity granted, "the type of stuff that usually makes 1st pace, tend to be significantly higher in skill and effort" is just wrong. The ability to produce detailed and fluid animation is a skill, yes. As I mentioned though, the ability to convey ideas efficiently and with brevity is also a skill as is knowing what not to include. Producing animation at a cadence definitely requires effort. You just don't make a good case that the one set of skills/effort is "higher" than the other and you definitely don't make the case that they earn 1st places more consistently, since your own examples undermine that.
Look, maybe all you were trying to say was something like: "This would do even better with more polished animation. I would love to see an extended "special" showcasing that with an extended runtime."
I too would love that too actually. The confrontational "expert" tone probably isn't the way to get there though.
quite the.. conversation we have here..
"how many orphans can you collect in this-a minigame? wahoo!" - mario if he was cool i think
At 2/4/25 06:36 PM, solarfiction wrote:quite the.. conversation we have here..
Seriously though, good work on the win @atastic, I thought it was solid work, but I am a simple shitposter who gets lucky with daily awards, I lack the dedication to the craft that some have, so I hope you can accept praise from a humble, and lowly shitposter like me.
At 2/4/25 04:40 PM, alsoknownas1 wrote:At 2/4/25 04:22 PM, Anonymous-Frog wrote:Ie. regarding Atastic's skill + effort, vs other movies/creators, might I add
Please stop abusing the edit feature. It's beneath even you.
Regarding effort and skill:
Many clocks seem to strugge with the concept that quickly covering ideas well is a skill itself, and takes effort. See the many famouses variations on the famous quote "I apologise, I did not have the time to write a shorter letter." The brevity of Atastic's works *is* the skill and effort being shown.
The same with the simplified art style. Knowing what detail/frames/motion to drop *is* the art.
Not a clock. We banned him years ago.
At 2/4/25 07:50 PM, OctopusClock wrote:Not a clock. We banned him years ago.
Apologies. I would never want to besmirch the organization. It is true that every morning I get up and pray to Jah, but I'm not responsible for what he may or may not reduce by exactly one as a result.
