At 8/26/23 05:20 PM, CosmicPunked wrote:A forum post is for discussion, don't get antsy if people respond to it. Ironically your "don't say the same things b4 other repeat it" mentality is more censorship inducing to those who disagree with you more than what anything I said has been.
No. It's saying to actually read before you respond because it gets old repeating points that have already been addressed. Sure, you can write whatever you want, but if you keep asking the same things which have already been addressed, this doesn't exactly make you come across as very informed, and your points will have no value, since they have literally already been addressed. You basically responded, after reading the title, but not the thread, and it shows.
For example, you took offense that people would receive notifications from blocked users. In literally the original post, I suggested a change to Newgrounds that reactions and reviews should be allowed from anyone, in the content areas of the sites, but that, specifically, notifications should not be sent to people who had blocked them. You didn't read. Don't even try to pretend that you did.
This isn't exactly a post with the most room for different lines of discussion, so of course you are going to bring people here who will either agree or disagree.
I'm open for discussion. You literally haven't brought any points which hadn't already been adequately addressed. Tell me something new.
I am someone who clearly disagrees. It's hilarious that your response to this is to try and get me to block you?
I don't really care if you block me or not. You hilariously claimed that I cared. I don't.
You talk about censorship a lot but I don't think you know what that means.
Oh I think I know exactly what it means, but you sure do seem confused. Funny how those who most wish to censor are also those who wish to redefine what censorship means.
Blocking someone is often personal. This typically refers to an action taken by one person to prevent another person from interacting with them. The primary purpose of blocking is to protect oneself from harassment, unwanted communication, or other negative interactions. Reactions and reviews on their work is breaching communication. Blocking is a personal choice and is usually done by individuals to create a safer and more comfortable online environment for themselves. They aren't snowflakes because of this. Newsflash, but your opinion isn't that important to people who don't want to converse or see you.
You personally blocking someone from PRIVATE areas of the site (or at least the less public areas) is your own prerogative. Do as you wish. Blocking someone from the PUBLIC areas of the site, is indeed censorship. And, contrary to your selfish motives, public interaction isn't just for your own benefit, but for everyone.
I really don't care if people 'block for no reason', the reason why has no bearing on their right to make their area for those they only want to engage with. A user decided they don't want to interact with you one day, that's their choice. Why make reactions and reviews accessible to those a person has blocked if once again, they'll just be flagging spam and harassment for unwanted comments they are receiving?
Okay this isn't hugbox central. If you want that you're on the wrong site. Plenty of other sites for that. Reactions and reviews are not for the exclusive use or benefit of just one person. Might be hard to grasp if you're a narcissist though.
Now, imagine if the situation above happened to every person on this website who has blocked someone - this will just overburden volunteer moderators and add unnecessary stress on them. Why do that when NG can just block reactions and reviews to those who have been blocked by a user outright and never have to deal with that issue at all?
Because if people are being nuisances to some people they're probably being nuisances to others as well, and the more they do this, the closer they are to a ban. I fail to see how this is adding unnecessary stress on site moderators. If anything, it should bring troublemakers to the limelight sooner so they can be removed sooner. This is a good thing.
Also, even in the event people are blocking truly vile users and not just being snowflakes about it (though there are plenty of the snowflake variety), this still doesn't address the problem of abusive users, only brushes it under the rug and allows them to further abuse other users.
Simple. People who zero bomb can be reported, it's most likely easy to track, new accounts activities are also easy to track if it's made just for harassment and it's not on me to find a solution, that's on the developers. But you suggesting to make reactions and reviews available to blocked users will exasperate the situation you concern-troll about here even more, as instead of making new accounts it gives harassers even more avenues to continue it without even having to log out.
Well, as-is, it's certainly impossible to report anyone based on voting patterns, so unless you are suggesting some sitewide changes for that, your statement is blatantly false. Also, people can zero-bomb some submissions and 5 star others, or even zero-bomb everything of their "competitors" and 5-star everything of their "friends". Nothing on the site prevents any of this. In fact various crews have done exactly these things for years.
Making reactions and reviews on public content available won't change that in the slightest but it will provide a more honest view of what people really think, instead of a censored view. And if people are harassing people they'll eventually get banned for it anyway.
I've never met a person in my life who has blocked someone and thought "Oh yeah, I'd love to hear their opinion on my art!" They have every right to curate the experience they want and that's not censorship just because the people they blocked aren't a part of their desired experience.
Again, might be difficult to grasp if you're a narcissist, but reviews aren't just for your exclusive use or benefit. It is literally for everyone. You are censoring what information is available to other people, not just yourself.
Censorship, on the other hand, is a broader concept that involves controlling or suppressing information from the masses usually by an authority or institution.
Yeah it doesn't have to be. When you give the public a distorted view by restricting what information they have access to, this is also censorship, even if not done by a government, authority, or institution.
Someone blocking you (including reactions and reviews) is an individual telling you they don't want you or your opinion near them. If you can't grasp that concept then this is exactly why this needs to be a thing.
If you can't grasp why that is censorship (when you are also blocking what should be public information, rather than just private), then that is narcissism first class.
So yes, I grasp it. I fully acknowledge someone blocking me doesn't value my input. But my input isn't for the exclusive benefit or use of that person, either, when it is in public areas.
Blocking is a self-protective measure taken by individuals to manage their own interactions, while censorship involves the control of information flow by an authority or institution for broader societal reasons. What is happening in Russia and North Korea is censorship.
They're both censorship, particularly when you're not just blocking your own use of someone's input, but that of literally everyone else as well. You are literally controlling the flow of information. You are literally attempting to craft an artificial public consensus rather than taking it as is.
Even in the case of just blocking someone's exclusive private contact with you, this would still be a form of censorship, albeit a perfectly reasonable one. You are still preventing them from expressing their views. In this case no one else is affected aside from the blocked party, there is no manipulation of public opinion or censorship to the greater public, so there shouldn't be a problem.