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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 13:19:08

At 3/1/22 12:54 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
At 3/1/22 12:44 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:Has anybody brought up the Minsk agreements yet? It matters that Ukraine, almost certainly with Western backing, chose not to implement the terms of the agreement for several years. Especially since it was one of the big issues Putin brought up to justify his invasion.

At the end of the day the failure to live up to your own agreements, made to prevent ongoing hostilities no less, paves the way for the use of military force.

I know self-reflection is equivalent to treason for the war hawks at this point, but it's worth taking a look at what we could have done differently to avoid this sort of thing.

Just gonna throw this out there while i'm at it:

NATO Arms Sales to Ukraine: the Spark That Starts a War with Russia? | Cato Institute

Sure, but what does that actually mean? You have a dictator who wants to bring back the good ol' days of the Soviet Union, by either placing puppet leaders into countries that splintered off after it collapse, or taking them over by force, all to reunite his empire - and you are okay with this shit. But you will argue Russian propaganda that it''s the West who are being assholes, and warlike (especially under Biden and democrats), by supporting Ukraine's independence and democracy.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 13:28:17 (edited 2022-03-01 13:29:56)

At 3/1/22 12:44 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:Has anybody brought up the Minsk agreements yet? It matters that Ukraine, almost certainly with Western backing, chose not to implement the terms of the agreement for several years. Especially since it was one of the big issues Putin brought up to justify his invasion.

russia violated the minsk agreement by not withdrawing troops at all, then taking over a city in the donbas region days after it was signed

no, ukraine and the west didn't violate it, russia and the separatists repeatedly violated it by continuing their attacks

At the end of the day the failure to live up to your own agreements...

yeah, you're repeating already debunked russian propaganda

careful with that

I know self-reflection is equivalent to treason for the war hawks at this point, but it's worth taking a look at what we could have done differently to avoid this sort of thing.

russia made it clear that this was unavoidable; they wanted the territory, and there was nothing ukraine or the west could to to make putin reconsider.

get off your high horse and come back to reality, bucko

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 13:45:17

Just in:

The Nord Stream 2 company declared bankruptcy;
A massive explosion in Kharkiv, it could even be a thermobaric bomb;
Air raid alerts in cities in the Ukrainian region adjacent to Polish border;
Probably thanks to a leak from inside the FSB (the Russian successor of the Soviet KGB) an attempt to kill Zelenski failed, the members of Chechen group sent by Ramzan Kadyrov have been killed.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 14:08:42

At 3/1/22 01:06 PM, Zachary wrote:

: At 3/1/22 12:44 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:

: Minsk agreements don't apply to Russia's current invasion

You misrepresent me nearly every time you follow me around a thread. Nobody is saying it does.

Not to mention that Russia completely violated the Minsk agreements multiple times

At 3/1/22 01:28 PM, Gario wrote:

: russia violated the minsk agreement

And so what? I wonder why other nations don't trust the US lol. If the agreement is off, declare it null and void. If the agreement is in effect, fulfill your conditions in good faith. Both Russia and Ukraine/NATO are bitching that the other side is in violation (they both are), meanwhile not a single provision of the agreements gets implemented in the span of several years, and now we're closer to full out war than ever before and casualties are piling up. Great job guys.

The attitude of a petulant child doesn't translate well into foreign policy and global security, it turns out.

: But I haven't heard you mention any of that...

: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

Just call me a filthy Putin lover next time lol.

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GenericDungeonSlime

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 14:19:06

At 3/1/22 01:19 PM, EdyKel wrote:

: At 3/1/22 12:54 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:

: : At 3/1/22 12:44 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:

: : : Has anybody brought up the Minsk agreements yet? It matters that Ukraine, almost certainly with Western backing, chose not to implement the terms of the agreement for several years. Especially since it was one of the big issues Putin brought up to justify his invasion.

: : :

: : : At the end of the day the failure to live up to your own agreements, made to prevent ongoing hostilities no less, paves the way for the use of military force.

: : :

: : : I know self-reflection is equivalent to treason for the war hawks at this point, but it's worth taking a look at what we could have done differently to avoid this sort of thing.

: :

: : Just gonna throw this out there while i'm at it:

: :

: : NATO Arms Sales to Ukraine: the Spark That Starts a War with Russia? | Cato Institute

:

: Sure, but what does that actually mean?

I mean, you should read it to find out. But basically, it means Ukraine was confident enough in Western backing that it repeatedly did things to provoke Russia. Troop buildups on the border, putting military operations against Russia inside of their official military strategy, openly stating the desire for an international coalition to retake territory, being a de facto NATO partner, etc. etc.

The West allowed Ukraine to act recklessly under false hopes and it is extremely hard to deny that.

Ukraine defense - Zelensky approves Military Security Strategy — UNIAN

Making Ukraine a NATO Member in All but Name | Cato Institute

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EdyKel

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 15:03:50

At 3/1/22 02:19 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
I mean, you should read it to find out. But basically, it means Ukraine was confident enough in Western backing that it repeatedly did things to provoke Russia. Troop buildups on the border, putting military operations against Russia inside of their official military strategy, openly stating the desire for an international coalition to retake territory, being a de facto NATO partner, etc. etc.

The West allowed Ukraine to act recklessly under false hopes and it is extremely hard to deny that.

Maybe you should read about the source it came from, which is very anti- US wars, anti US wars, pro-corporatism, pro-corporatism, pro-Republican. I know exactly where they stand on things, and it's not even close to being objective. And it's mostly nonsense, since it ignores the elephant in the room, and that would be "Russia's own FUCKING aggression".

The US learned after the Iraq war, invading other countries, or creating puppet states, became very unpopular in the world, and that has a lot to do with how fast information travels these days because of the WWW, and because people are better off these days and don't want to die in some war that they may or may not support and they might be forced to be involved in. Imperialism, colonialism, territorial expansion, whatever you wan to call it, the world no longer accepts that shit.

So, it doesn't matter what country does it, or for what reason they are doing it for, invading other countries, or land, or installing puppet leaders, is a huge "no" no". Supporting other countries that are being invaded by other countries is not war mongering, or supporting puppet regiems, it's simply rebuking the invading country. That is is line with being anti-war, and not making fucking excuses to support the reasons making war and invading another country.

I shouldn't have to point this basic shit out to you, as you jump from one hypocrisy to the next to defend Russian fucking war, because it a popular contrarian position to take on the right from the Biden's admin position.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 15:07:42 (edited 2022-03-01 15:16:31)

At 3/1/22 02:08 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
You misrepresent me nearly every time you follow me around a thread. Nobody is saying it does.

And so what? I wonder why other nations don't trust the US lol. If the agreement is off, declare it null and void. If the agreement is in effect, fulfill your conditions in good faith. Both Russia and Ukraine/NATO are bitching that the other side is in violation (they both are), meanwhile not a single provision of the agreements gets implemented in the span of several years, and now we're closer to full out war than ever before and casualties are piling up. Great job guys.

The attitude of a petulant child doesn't translate well into foreign policy and global security, it turns out.

Just call me a filthy Putin lover next time lol.

You: "Has anybody brought up the Minsk agreements yet?... Especially since it was one of the big issues Putin brought up to justify his invasion."

Me: "Minsk agreements don't apply to Russia's current invasion because the agreements don't recognize LPR and DPR as legitimate, like Russia is claiming now as the basis for the invasion."

You: "You misrepresent me nearly every time you follow me around a thread. Nobody is saying it does."

If you have a problem with someone challenging your horrible takes, then stop posting. Instead of whining about some meta-discussion nonsense, you should respond to my rebuttal or don't reply at all and take your lumps. Thanks.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 15:24:55

At 3/1/22 02:19 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
it means Ukraine was confident enough in Western backing that it repeatedly did things to provoke Russia.

Tell'ya what, next time you will want to put out a match use a thermobaric bomb to do it.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 15:44:20

At 2/28/22 01:21 AM, EdyKel wrote:Hmmm... U.S. protests Israel's refusal to back UN resolution condemning Russia

Do they know about babyar bombing?

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 16:21:58

At 3/1/22 03:44 PM, SuperiorGhostgamer wrote:
At 2/28/22 01:21 AM, EdyKel wrote:Hmmm... U.S. protests Israel's refusal to back UN resolution condemning Russia

Do they know about babyar bombing?

You weren't informed I see.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 16:26:02 (edited 2022-03-01 16:26:38)

At 3/1/22 03:44 PM, SuperiorGhostgamer wrote:
At 2/28/22 01:21 AM, EdyKel wrote:Hmmm... U.S. protests Israel's refusal to back UN resolution condemning Russia

Do they know about babyar bombing?

Well, I was thinking about how similar their arguments were when it came to invading other territories, with their main claim being that they don't recognize the sovereignty, or ownership, of the land they invaded, because they controlled it at some point in time in the past so they believe they are justified to it by some heritage.

There is no love between Isreal and Russia, otherwise, especially since Russia is closely allied with Israel's most hated foe in the region, Iran.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 16:26:05

At 3/1/22 12:06 PM, HerbieG wrote:Maybe it is going too far, but some of them actually were publicly showing support to the Russian invasion. It also seems like the Western world - and not only - has enough of the Russian's society's passiveness. It is the point when the Russian society has to decide in what country they want to live in? Under what rule? Under a dictator that is responsible for years of war crimes, in a country that is almost completely isolated?

This is what the people in countries behind the iron curtain did back in the 1980s, especially Poland. They decided that they do not want to live under the rule of Soviet Union's puppets anymore.

that goes without saying that the Soviets played a part in the invasion of Poland in 39, in part because of alliance between Soviets and Nazis.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 16:27:16

At 3/1/22 04:21 PM, SatanBrain wrote:
At 3/1/22 03:44 PM, SuperiorGhostgamer wrote:
At 2/28/22 01:21 AM, EdyKel wrote:Hmmm... U.S. protests Israel's refusal to back UN resolution condemning Russia

Do they know about babyar bombing?

You weren't informed I see.

okay so they clanged there minds.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 16:32:04 (edited 2022-03-01 16:32:58)

At 3/1/22 04:26 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 3/1/22 03:44 PM, SuperiorGhostgamer wrote:
At 2/28/22 01:21 AM, EdyKel wrote:Hmmm... U.S. protests Israel's refusal to back UN resolution condemning Russia

Do they know about babyar bombing?

Well, I was thinking about how similar their arguments were when it came to invading other territories,

Do remind me which country invaded which in 1948.

with their main claim being that they don't recognize the sovereignty, or ownership, of the land they invaded,

You are still talking about Arabs not recognizing our existence, don't you?

because they controlled it at some point in time in the past so they believe they are justified to it by some heritage.

Like Arabs in Israel claiming they have justification to our land?

There is no love between Isreal and Russia, otherwise, especially since Russia is closely allied with Israel's most hated foe in the region, Iran.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 16:41:49

At 3/1/22 04:26 PM, DioShiba wrote:
At 3/1/22 12:06 PM, HerbieG wrote:

This is what the people in countries behind the iron curtain did back in the 1980s, especially Poland. They decided that they do not want to live under the rule of Soviet Union's puppets anymore.
that goes without saying that the Soviets played a part in the invasion of Poland in 39, in part because of alliance between Soviets and Nazis.

Yup! The infamous Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. Oh, and on September 17th 1939 while invading Poland the USSR also called it a "humanitarian operation" to "take care" of Ukrainians and Belarusians...

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 16:43:28

At 3/1/22 04:32 PM, SatanBrain wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:26 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 3/1/22 03:44 PM, SuperiorGhostgamer wrote:
At 2/28/22 01:21 AM, EdyKel wrote:Hmmm... U.S. protests Israel's refusal to back UN resolution condemning Russia

Do they know about babyar bombing?

Well, I was thinking about how similar their arguments were when it came to invading other territories,
Do remind me which country invaded which in 1948.

with their main claim being that they don't recognize the sovereignty, or ownership, of the land they invaded,

You are still talking about Arabs not recognizing our existence, don't you?

because they controlled it at some point in time in the past so they believe they are justified to it by some heritage.

Like Arabs in Israel claiming they have justification to our land?

There is no love between Isreal and Russia, otherwise, especially since Russia is closely allied with Israel's most hated foe in the region, Iran.

Don't care. It doesn't change the fact that the reasoning for the invasion in Ukraine came to close to Israels reasoning for land grabbing.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 16:46:18

At 3/1/22 04:43 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:32 PM, SatanBrain wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:26 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 3/1/22 03:44 PM, SuperiorGhostgamer wrote:
At 2/28/22 01:21 AM, EdyKel wrote:Hmmm... U.S. protests Israel's refusal to back UN resolution condemning Russia

Do they know about babyar bombing?

Well, I was thinking about how similar their arguments were when it came to invading other territories,
Do remind me which country invaded which in 1948.

with their main claim being that they don't recognize the sovereignty, or ownership, of the land they invaded,

You are still talking about Arabs not recognizing our existence, don't you?

because they controlled it at some point in time in the past so they believe they are justified to it by some heritage.

Like Arabs in Israel claiming they have justification to our land?

There is no love between Isreal and Russia, otherwise, especially since Russia is closely allied with Israel's most hated foe in the region, Iran.

Don't care.

Of course you don't care about facts.

It doesn't change the fact that the reasoning for the invasion in Ukraine came to close to Israels reasoning for land grabbing.

It doesn't change the fact that the reasoning for the invasion in Ukraine came to close to Arabs' reasoning for land grabbing. Having conquered a foreign land once doesn't give you a right on it nowadays.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 16:51:46

At 3/1/22 04:41 PM, HerbieG wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:26 PM, DioShiba wrote:
At 3/1/22 12:06 PM, HerbieG wrote:
This is what the people in countries behind the iron curtain did back in the 1980s, especially Poland. They decided that they do not want to live under the rule of Soviet Union's puppets anymore.
that goes without saying that the Soviets played a part in the invasion of Poland in 39, in part because of alliance between Soviets and Nazis.

Yup! The infamous Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. Oh, and on September 17th 1939 while invading Poland the USSR also called it a "humanitarian operation" to "take care" of Ukrainians and Belarusians...

Exactly.

Russia fucked Poland sideways more than once then they wonder why ties between Polish and Russian people are strained. The gov’t of Russia at the very least owes Poland an apology for the invasion at the very least and shit would actually go in the right direction between both sides on that.

Thats why someone like me would side with Ukraine on this. I may have never been to Poland but that does not change the fact I’m full blooded Polish

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 17:08:08

At 3/1/22 04:46 PM, SatanBrain wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:43 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:32 PM, SatanBrain wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:26 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 3/1/22 03:44 PM, SuperiorGhostgamer wrote:
At 2/28/22 01:21 AM, EdyKel wrote:Hmmm... U.S. protests Israel's refusal to back UN resolution condemning Russia

Do they know about babyar bombing?

Well, I was thinking about how similar their arguments were when it came to invading other territories,
Do remind me which country invaded which in 1948.

with their main claim being that they don't recognize the sovereignty, or ownership, of the land they invaded,

You are still talking about Arabs not recognizing our existence, don't you?

because they controlled it at some point in time in the past so they believe they are justified to it by some heritage.

Like Arabs in Israel claiming they have justification to our land?

There is no love between Isreal and Russia, otherwise, especially since Russia is closely allied with Israel's most hated foe in the region, Iran.

Don't care.
Of course you don't care about facts.

It doesn't change the fact that the reasoning for the invasion in Ukraine came to close to Israels reasoning for land grabbing.

It doesn't change the fact that the reasoning for the invasion in Ukraine came to close to Arabs' reasoning for land grabbing. Having conquered a foreign land once doesn't give you a right on it nowadays.

Yeah, we are not going down this whole rabbit hole of your self victimization as an Israeli Jew, calling people antisemitic when they disagree with your country's postion and views, while defending the treatment of other groups of people as 2nd class citizens and the shooting of immigrants. Your facts are more opinion than anything.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 17:10:44

Wow, this is getting serious honestly

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 17:14:06 (edited 2022-03-01 17:14:23)

At 3/1/22 05:08 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:46 PM, SatanBrain wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:43 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:32 PM, SatanBrain wrote:
At 3/1/22 04:26 PM, EdyKel wrote:
At 3/1/22 03:44 PM, SuperiorGhostgamer wrote:
At 2/28/22 01:21 AM, EdyKel wrote:Hmmm... U.S. protests Israel's refusal to back UN resolution condemning Russia

Do they know about babyar bombing?

Well, I was thinking about how similar their arguments were when it came to invading other territories,
Do remind me which country invaded which in 1948.

with their main claim being that they don't recognize the sovereignty, or ownership, of the land they invaded,

You are still talking about Arabs not recognizing our existence, don't you?

because they controlled it at some point in time in the past so they believe they are justified to it by some heritage.

Like Arabs in Israel claiming they have justification to our land?

There is no love between Isreal and Russia, otherwise, especially since Russia is closely allied with Israel's most hated foe in the region, Iran.

Don't care.
Of course you don't care about facts.

It doesn't change the fact that the reasoning for the invasion in Ukraine came to close to Israels reasoning for land grabbing.

It doesn't change the fact that the reasoning for the invasion in Ukraine came to close to Arabs' reasoning for land grabbing. Having conquered a foreign land once doesn't give you a right on it nowadays.

Yeah, we are not going down this whole rabbit hole of your self victimization as an Israeli Jew,

Pointing your support of a genocide is not "self victimization"

calling people antisemitic when they disagree with your country's postion and views,

When they justify murder of people for existing, yes.

while defending the treatment of other groups of people as 2nd class citizens

I am a 2nd class citizen of any country I am not allowed to have a visa in, according to your previous arguments.

and the shooting of immigrants.

Infiltrators.

Your facts are more opinion than anything.

Disprove them then. Prove we began the invasion in 1948.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 17:28:28

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 17:32:07

At 3/1/22 02:08 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
And so what? I wonder why other nations don't trust the US lol.

what does the united states have to do with the minsk agreement? they're not cosigners on it, unlike russia, ukraine, and the separatists

why are you bringing us into this? the world doesn't revolve around us

If the agreement is off, declare it null and void. If the agreement is in effect, fulfill your conditions in good faith.

russian separatists took over territory after signing it

excuse me for thinking it's okay for ukraine to defend itself when another side launches attacks after signing a ceasefire agreement

The attitude of a petulant child doesn't translate well into foreign policy and global security, it turns out.

so stop acting like one, for once

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 17:36:28

It's a long read but I do respect this guys opinion on a lot of foreign policy decisions. Although, admittedly, his normal beat is China.

Our emotions will demand that we do something if only to prove to ourselves that we still have the capacity to act.

This sort of moral resolution is not inherently bad. It is the only wellspring of daring or fortitude. But our daring must accord with the outcomes we desire! Many of the policies mentioned in the first paragraph of this missive have consequences that will endure long past the end of this war. Have we truly thought through what they might be?

Do we crush the Russian economy because we earnestly think that doing so will unseat Putin, reverse his army’s march in Ukraine, or deter him from similar resort to arms in the future? Or do we do it because we must do something and economic coercion is the only tool in our box?

Have we balanced the strategic effects of removing the Russians from SWIFT from the likely creation of a parallel SWIFT system that we have less leverage over?

How would America have responded if the Russians had been openly, brazenly arming insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan? This sort of thing is not unprecedented in the history of Russian-American relations… but it has consequences. What do we think the Russian response might be?

One can make a convincing defense for any one of these measures. It is quite possible that all of them, combined with the other options now being discussed in Western capitals, will successfully blunt Russian aggression, strengthen NATO’s long term defense, or deter countries like China from repeating the Russian playbook in places like Taiwan. It is possible. Yet events are passing swift. The rapidly spiraling deployment of these policies does not suggest a carefully calculated campaign of pressure so much as a rushed attempt to meet the demands of our own moral imperatives.

The logic of the imperative has led the West into disaster before. We must be vigilant lest we blindly leap into catastrophe once again

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 17:43:28 (edited 2022-03-01 17:44:04)

At 3/1/22 05:32 PM, Gario wrote:

: At 3/1/22 02:08 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:

: :

: : And so what? I wonder why other nations don't trust the US lol.

:

: what does the united states have to do with the minsk agreement?

It had quite a bit of stake in the outcome of it. The US is not an innocent bystander to Ukranian military affairs and I think you are well aware of that. If not I dont know what to tell ya. Especially when the widespread evidence of their arming and under the table alliance with NATO is one of the biggest stated reasons for this conflict in the first place.

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 17:57:43

At 3/1/22 05:43 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:
It had quite a bit of stake in the outcome of it. The US is not an innocent bystander to Ukranian military affairs and I think you are well aware of that.

america is in fact not involved with the minsk agreement

at all

Especially when the widespread evidence of their arming and under the table alliance with NATO

there is precisely zero evidence for this

you can stop lying to our faces at any time, you know

is one of the biggest stated reasons for this conflict in the first place.

and then russia put out an article detailing their assumed victory that demonstrates that russia knew that this pretext was a flat out lie, you rube

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 18:25:49

At 3/1/22 05:36 PM, GenericDungeonSlime wrote:It's a long read but I do respect this guys opinion on a lot of foreign policy decisions. Although, admittedly, his normal beat is China.

*sigh

Another swing, another miss. Rinse, and repeat.

New Conservatism try to hard to sound intellectual, while still not being intellectual enough to recognize their own failing of taking sides, while offering no viable solutions other than a moral high ground - so everyone else has to make the hard decisions for them, while they can freely criticize what went wrong in them.

Again, Greer doesn't offer any solutions to what's going on in Ukraine at the moment, and has a hard time recognizing Russian role in it. He comes off as more critical of the West's approach to stem the ideological views of a dictator who want to expand his country's boarders, which doesn't fly. People like him would most likely would have allowed the Nazis to take over Europe, arguing we should have better understood Hitler and tried to appease him.

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DioShiba

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 18:49:29 (edited 2022-03-01 18:58:24)

Rep. Greene speaks to far-right crowd chanting Putin’s name and faces criticism from other Republicans

Clearly, Trump favored politics looking pretty bad right now

My Demo Reel - Art thread - Sketchbook Thread

Vibe of the moment.

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Tony-DarkGrave

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 20:15:07

Yesterday, the Consul General of Ukraine in San Francisco Dmytro Kushneruk sent a letter to the Governor of California Gavin Newsom, demanding a state-level ban on financial transactions with russian companies and assistance to Ukraine.

As a result – closing access of the russian companies to the capital market of California (the 5th largest economy in the world) and the realization of assets of approximately 1.5 billion US dollars from russian-related companies and financial institutions.

CALIFORNIA DID SOMETHING RIGHT! NOW 49 MORE STATES!

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Tony-DarkGrave

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Response to the Ukraine situation 2022-03-01 20:53:16

At 3/1/22 08:41 PM, TylerFromTexas wrote:
At 3/1/22 08:15 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:CALIFORNIA DID SOMETHING RIGHT! NOW 49 MORE STATES!

Governor Abbot of Texas is calling on businesses to remove all Russian Products from shelves, and I think the vast majority are honoring that request.

oh shit its bad when Texas and California start working together, be right back I need to check the temperature in Hell!

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