At 9/4/11 03:56 AM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: So how do you guys feel about record stores putting noise musicians like M.B. and Merzbow under metal?

I know Merzbow by name, but I don't really know their music. I know they worked with the Drone Doom/Stoner Metal band Boris, but that's pretty much all I know about them.

And to be honest, I don't really mind this, or at least, not as much as I mind seing shitty bands like Black Veil Brides, Bring Me The Horizon and the likes in the Metal section. At least Merzbow as "somewhat" to do with metal, as they play with REAL metal bands on some of their records. Deathcore as nothing to do with metal. Well... very little, should I say. But I'm kind of biaised here, as I hate emo fringes and lame song-writting :)

At 9/4/11 02:45 PM, Zodir wrote: So, I picked up Fleshgod's new album, Agony. And I'm really digging it. It feels like they really struck a balance between their technical death metal and the symphonic elements.

So far, I dislike the record. They dropped their crazy and awesome technical lead guitars and replaced them by an abusive amount of symphonical instruments and melodies. This might shock you, but I can easily compare this album to a Dimmu Borgir record...

I'm dissapointed. The record is not anywhere near as good as Oracles was.

At 9/5/11 11:08 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 9/4/11 02:45 PM, Zodir wrote: So, I picked up Fleshgod's new album, Agony. And I'm really digging it. It feels like they really struck a : : balance between their technical death metal and the symphonic elements.

So far, I dislike the record. They dropped their crazy and awesome technical lead guitars and replaced them by an abusive amount of symphonical instruments and melodies. This might shock you, but I can easily compare this album to a Dimmu Borgir record...

I'm dissapointed. The record is not anywhere near as good as Oracles was.

Granted, I agree I liked the guitars better in Oracles, but here I like the overall package better. The whole atmosphere and symphonic elements I think work really well here, whereas on Oracles I felt like the symphonic elements were almost thrown in as an after thought. Here, it definitely isn't the case. While I can see the comparison to Dimmu Borgir, I still feel like the main instrument parts are solid and interesting enough that it doesn't feel like the focus, like it is in Dimmu Borgir.

At 9/5/11 11:20 PM, Zodir wrote: Granted, I agree I liked the guitars better in Oracles, but here I like the overall package better. The whole atmosphere and symphonic elements I think work really well here, whereas on Oracles I felt like the symphonic elements were almost thrown in as an after thought. Here, it definitely isn't the case. While I can see the comparison to Dimmu Borgir, I still feel like the main instrument parts are solid and interesting enough that it doesn't feel like the focus, like it is in Dimmu Borgir.

The comparison to Dimmu Borgir was a stretch. I couldn't never go as far as saying Agony is anywhere near as bad as any of the most recent albums by Dimmu Borgir.

In fact, I didn't see the new Fleshgod Apocalypse as a "bad" album. But this is not what I was expecting from Fleshgod Apocalypse. In other words, this is not the evolution I hoped for.

At 9/5/11 11:18 AM, AniMetal wrote:

At 9/5/11 08:08 AM, Bahamut wrote: Why Elvenking's early material is special for me.

I've always been annoyed by Elvenking. I'm not sure why.

To be fair, I've been annoyed by Skyclad. Maybe I listened to the wrong record.

But a nice read anyway, broski.

That's good to hear from someone who doesn't like Elvenking.

Which? Wintersun's Time or Lost Horizon's third album?

Both. Eventually.

We'll see which comes out first. My money is on Wintersun.

Yeah, I hate that. Such forgettable band names.

Yet such names are actually memorable to me.

Then again, mostly all traditional metal bands are pretty forgettable musically so it fits.

You can't say Hell are forgettable. Also, Demom and Satan have Don't Break the Circle and Trial By Fire respectively. Guess who covered both songs?

Ghost - Death Knell

Giving them a second chance?

In other awesome news, Hammers of Misfortune have posted a song online. I'm liking it a lot and welcome the new vocalist. Album is set for release on 24th October so that will be a day to look forward to. I'm tempted to wish we could go there right away but not if we've got a bunch of other releases this month as well as my trip to Paris in a few weeks time.

At 9/6/11 07:17 AM, Bahamut wrote: To be fair, I've been annoyed by Skyclad. Maybe I listened to the wrong record.

Same here really, i've never found them that good.

That's good to hear from someone who doesn't like Elvenking.

Well, I don't dislike them. I just hate their stuff with metalcore styled riffs and vocals.

And I also hate their lyrics.

I like them besides that. haha

We'll see which comes out first. My money is on Wintersun.

Eh, I doubt either will come out until 2016.

You can't say Hell are forgettable. Also, Demom and Satan have Don't Break the Circle and Trial By Fire respectively. Guess who covered both songs?

Fair enough.

Ghost - Death Knell

Giving them a second chance?

I believe you mistook me for someone else. I wasn't the one who said Ghost sucks, that was someone else.

I only said that Ghost were overrated, I still dig em. haha

Does anybody know of some new good traditional/epic doom bands? I just discovered this band Northwinds. Trad doom with excellent vocals, acoustic passages, amazing keyboards, and folk wind instruments. Currently my favorite French band, next to Kronos and Deathspell Omega.

At 9/6/11 09:51 PM, Tobi wrote: Does anybody know of some new good traditional/epic doom bands?

Hour of 13.

At 9/6/11 09:51 PM, Tobi wrote: Does anybody know of some new good traditional/epic doom bands? I just discovered this band Northwinds. Trad doom with excellent vocals, acoustic passages, amazing keyboards, and folk wind instruments. Currently my favorite French band, next to Kronos and Deathspell Omega.

You like Kronos more than Benighted?

At 9/5/11 11:08 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I know Merzbow by name, but I don't really know their music.

Actually, Merzbow is just one man. The man behind the music is named Masami Akita but I just call him Merzbow anyway, even though I don't listen to noise music.

At 9/6/11 05:58 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 9/6/11 07:17 AM, Bahamut wrote: To be fair, I've been annoyed by Skyclad. Maybe I listened to the wrong record.

Same here really, i've never found them that good.

I'm glad it's not just me then.

That's good to hear from someone who doesn't like Elvenking.

Well, I don't dislike them. I just hate their stuff with metalcore styled riffs and vocals.

Wasn't that only The Scythe?

And I also hate their lyrics.

I can let you off with that.

We'll see which comes out first. My money is on Wintersun.

Eh, I doubt either will come out until 2016.

I'm going to forget Lost Horizon's third album will even come out. As for Wintersun, at least they've picked up a bit recently.

You can't say Hell are forgettable. Also, Demom and Satan have Don't Break the Circle and Trial By Fire respectively. Guess who covered both songs?

Fair enough.

To be fair, I only have one Demon album but The Unexpected Guest is still some good NWOBHM.

Giving them a second chance?

I believe you mistook me for someone else. I wasn't the one who said Ghost sucks, that was someone else.

No no, I recall you saying you didn't like Ghost. If it wasn't you, I don't know who it was.

At 9/6/11 09:51 PM, Tobi wrote: Does anybody know of some new good traditional/epic doom bands?

One word: Argus. Maybe not so doomy but you can still get that sense from them. Plus, there's that great blend of American traditional metal and epic doom metal.

At 9/7/11 08:13 AM, Bahamut wrote: I'm glad it's not just me then.

I haven't exactly gave them a HUGE chance either though. haha

Wasn't that only The Scythe?

Yeah, but it annoyed me! Haha

No no, I recall you saying you didn't like Ghost. If it wasn't you, I don't know who it was.

Ah, maybe I was just bitching about all the wet panties surrounding them - not the music itself. Because I think they're great, just overrated.

Finally, full tracklisting and album artwork for Megadeth's TH1RT3EN.

01. Sudden Death
02. Public Enemy No. 1
03. Whose Life (Is It Anyways?)
04. We The People
05. Guns, Drugs & Money
06. Never Dead
07. New World Order
08. Fast Lane
09. Black Swan
10. Wrecker
11. Millennium Of The Blind
12. Deadly Nightshade
13. 13

Sounds like two songs from Youthanasia are going to be remade. Seems like filler just to bump the track count to 13 but those remade tracks will be better than A Tout le Monde on United Abominations. Also, Guns, Drugs & Money? LOL!

At 9/7/11 04:47 PM, Bahamut wrote: Finally, full tracklisting and album artwork for Megadeth's TH1RT3EN.

01. Sudden Death
02. Public Enemy No. 1
03. Whose Life (Is It Anyways?)
04. We The People
05. Guns, Drugs & Money
06. Never Dead
07. New World Order
08. Fast Lane
09. Black Swan
10. Wrecker
11. Millennium Of The Blind
12. Deadly Nightshade
13. 13

Sounds like two songs from Youthanasia are going to be remade. Seems like filler just to bump the track count to 13 but those remade tracks will be better than A Tout le Monde on United Abominations. Also, Guns, Drugs & Money? LOL!

I actually got to here Public Enemy No. 1 live when they were at Mayhem. Was a pretty cool track. Looking forward to the rest of the album!

At 9/7/11 12:02 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 9/6/11 09:51 PM, Tobi wrote: Does anybody know of some new good traditional/epic doom bands? I just discovered this band Northwinds. Trad doom with excellent vocals, acoustic passages, amazing keyboards, and folk wind instruments. Currently my favorite French band, next to Kronos and Deathspell Omega.

You like Kronos more than Benighted?

I forgot they were French. I like Benighted slightly more, but they are on almost equal levels.

Thanks for the suggestions Dalnaki and Bahamut, I loved em' both.

At 9/7/11 04:47 PM, Bahamut wrote: Finally, full tracklisting and album artwork for Megadeth's TH1RT3EN.

So, what are you expecting from this? Makes me think that I should have tried listenning to Endgame by now... Dunno why I never did... I guess I gave up on them after United Abominations. Not that it was a terrible album, but I didn't particularly like it.

I'm finally back for other suggestions, after getting 2-3 albums from nearly every band you suggested. Do you have any other bands in mind, guys? I prefer thrash and Bay Area thrash out of that, but I also like a lot of power and heavy.

At 9/8/11 12:52 AM, joeyjoah wrote: I'm finally back for other suggestions, after getting 2-3 albums from nearly every band you suggested. Do you have any other bands in mind, guys? I prefer thrash and Bay Area thrash out of that, but I also like a lot of power and heavy.

Don't you have a last.fm account or maybe some more info as to what you already like. I don't want to list a bunch of artists you already know.

At 9/8/11 12:55 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Don't you have a last.fm account or maybe some more info as to what you already like. I don't want to list a bunch of artists you already know.

Here's AniMetal's post, I've investigated those a lot.

A few other bands that I enjoy, so you can get a general idea:
Exodus
Bitter End
Sacred Reich
Onslaught
Heathen

With some exceptions, I like the headbanging, 'riffy' thrash the most.

At 9/8/11 12:42 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 9/7/11 04:47 PM, Bahamut wrote: Finally, full tracklisting and album artwork for Megadeth's TH1RT3EN.

So, what are you expecting from this? Makes me think that I should have tried listenning to Endgame by now... Dunno why I never did... I guess I gave up on them after United Abominations. Not that it was a terrible album, but I didn't particularly like it.

Engame was kick ass. Check out Dialectic Chaos/This Day We Fight! or Head Crusher, and you'll see that it's pretty much some awesome thrash metal. It blows United Abominations out of the water and it's the best thing they've done since Rust in Peace. I'm actually pretty hyped for this record.

This Manilla Road post covers Children of the Night! Excellent song for sure.

At 9/7/11 02:26 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 9/7/11 08:13 AM, Bahamut wrote: I'm glad it's not just me then.

I haven't exactly gave them a HUGE chance either though. haha

I suppose I should just listen to another album of theirs at random. Something that sounds genuine, though and not Folkémon. :P

Wasn't that only The Scythe?

Yeah, but it annoyed me! Haha

Of course it would but it was only one album.

No no, I recall you saying you didn't like Ghost. If it wasn't you, I don't know who it was.

Ah, maybe I was just bitching about all the wet panties surrounding them - not the music itself. Because I think they're great, just overrated.

That I can understand, even if I'm probably a "wet panty" when it comes to Ghost, haha.

At 9/8/11 12:42 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: So, what are you expecting from this?

Considering this marks the return of Dave Ellefson, Megadeth's new album has been one of my most hyped albums for 2011. However, if they're having to throw in re-recorded tracks just to bump up the track quantity to 13, I have my doubts. I won't knock it just yet, though but I certainly don't like fillers in my albums. Hopefully Megadeth don't renew their contract with Roadrunner due to them forcing a minimum track limit on Megadeth's albums.

Makes me think that I should have tried listenning to Endgame by now...

Endgame is easily the best modern Megadeth album.

At 9/8/11 08:03 AM, Bahamut wrote: Endgame is easily the best modern Megadeth album.

That isn't saying much. Only the first six Megadeth albums are TRULY worth listening to.

At 9/7/11 04:47 PM, Bahamut wrote: Finally, full tracklisting and album artwork for Megadeth's TH1RT3EN.

I'm convinced this album is going to fucking suck, based off the album and song names alone.

Let's see if Ellefson's return can redeem the band in any way.

03. Whose Life Is It Anyways?

I fucking lol'd.

At 9/8/11 01:28 AM, joeyjoah wrote: Exodus, Bitter End, Sacred Reich, Onslaught, Heathen

So these^ bands, and you've checked out all the bands I mentioned? Those being: Xentrix, Vio-lence, early Helloween, Blind Guardian, Dark Angel, Flotsam & Jetsam, Overkill and Kreator.

I've noticed a distinct lack of big four in your posts, so:
The first four albums by Metallica (My personal favorite album being "...And Justice For All")
The first six albums by Megadeth (My personal favorite album being "Rust In Peace")
The first five albums by Anthrax (My personal favorite album being "Among The Living")
Random shit from Slayer up till about 1990. (My personal favorite album being "seasons in the abyss")

All those albums^ are pretty much necessary for any thrash metal, or metal in general, fans to have listened to.

For outside the big four, try out:

Testament - their first four albums (My personal favorite album being "The New World Order")
Destruction - their first three albums (My personal favorite album being "Release From Agony")
Metal Church - Pretty much any album by them (My personal favorite being their self-titled CD)

Between all those albums, you should be satissfied. Since all seven are KIND of popular, you may already know them. If so, post again and let me know and i'll give you some more underground stuff - I just feel you should at least check out the super popular stuff before starting to dig deeper.

With some exceptions, I like the headbanging, 'riffy' thrash the most.

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. All thrash is riffy and headbang worthy. haha

Some new info on Megadeth's new album.

At 9/8/11 03:41 PM, AniMetal wrote: I've noticed a distinct lack of big four in your posts, so:
For outside the big four, try out:

I have albums from every band there except Destruction, so maybe a little more underground. I'm sorry if I'm not really explaining my tastes very well.

With some exceptions, I like the headbanging, 'riffy' thrash the most.

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. All thrash is riffy and headbang worthy. haha

Yeah, I found it hard to explain, but I feel that some is way more than others. There are quite a few bands labeled as thrash that don't really make me want to thrash around.

At 9/8/11 06:20 PM, joeyjoah wrote:

At 9/8/11 03:41 PM, AniMetal wrote: I've noticed a distinct lack of big four in your posts, so:
For outside the big four, try out:

I have albums from every band there except Destruction, so maybe a little more underground. I'm sorry if I'm not really explaining my tastes very well.

Coroner, early Voivod (their later stuff isn't really thrash, but it still kicks ass. I would suggest War and Pain through Nothingface), Cyclone Temple, Forced Entry, Razor, Annihilator (Especially their first 2 albums), Agent Steel, Toxik, and Vektor.

At 9/8/11 09:34 PM, Zodir wrote: Coroner, early Voivod (their later stuff isn't really thrash, but it still kicks ass. I would suggest War and Pain through Nothingface), Cyclone Temple, Forced Entry, Razor, Annihilator (Especially their first 2 albums), Agent Steel, Toxik, and Vektor.

I second ALL of this.

Although, Set The World On Fire is personally my favorite Annihilator album. hehe

Also, only the first three Voivod albums are really thrash. Dimension Hatross and Nothingface, while both are fucking masterpieces and two of my all time favorite albums, are more along the lines of sonic youth or something then metal. Let alone thrash metal. Actually, the first seven Voivod albums are all masterpieces, fuck.

Porcupine Tree - Arriving Somewhere But Not Here

At 9/8/11 09:45 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 9/8/11 09:34 PM, Zodir wrote: Coroner, early Voivod (their later stuff isn't really thrash, but it still kicks ass. I would suggest War and Pain through Nothingface), Cyclone Temple, Forced Entry, Razor, Annihilator (Especially their first 2 albums), Agent Steel, Toxik, and Vektor.

I second ALL of this.

Although, Set The World On Fire is personally my favorite Annihilator album. hehe

Also, only the first three Voivod albums are really thrash. Dimension Hatross and Nothingface, while both are fucking masterpieces and two of my all time favorite albums, are more along the lines of sonic youth or something then metal. Let alone thrash metal. Actually, the first seven Voivod albums are all masterpieces, fuck.

Porcupine Tree - Arriving Somewhere But Not Here

Meh, I feel that Dimension Hatross is thrashy enoughy. I know Nothingface isn't but it kicks ass enough that I feel he should here it. I'm curious how you like Set The World On Fire more than Alice in Hell or Never, Neverland which are probably are two of the greatest thrash albums ever.

Also, I approve of the Porcupine Tree.

At 9/8/11 01:28 AM, joeyjoah wrote: With some exceptions, I like the headbanging, 'riffy' thrash the most.

First band that came to mind when you said riffy: Sacrilege (UK).

At 9/8/11 09:48 PM, Zodir wrote: Meh, I feel that Dimension Hatross is thrashy enoughy. I know Nothingface isn't but it kicks ass enough that I feel he should here it.

Eh, fair enough. Check out Angelrat and The Outer Limits if you haven't. Voivod's sixth and seventh albums are almost always overlooked, but they're pretty amazing just like the first five. :D

I'm curious how you like Set The World On Fire more than Alice in Hell or Never, Neverland which are probably are two of the greatest thrash albums ever.

I just feel STWOF is more headbang worthy? I can't explain it. I love most Annihilator though.

Also, I approve of the Porcupine Tree.

If you didn't, you'd deserve to be lynched.

Porcupine Tree - Pure Narcotic

At 9/8/11 10:19 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 9/8/11 09:48 PM, Zodir wrote: Meh, I feel that Dimension Hatross is thrashy enoughy. I know Nothingface isn't but it kicks ass enough that I feel he should here it.

Eh, fair enough. Check out Angelrat and The Outer Limits if you haven't. Voivod's sixth and seventh albums are almost always overlooked, but they're pretty amazing just like the first five. :D

I have every Voivod album. I just feel like the first five are the best to get people started with. I agree that the first 7 are probably some of the best albums ever made, and their new stuff is pretty good too.

I'm curious how you like Set The World On Fire more than Alice in Hell or Never, Neverland which are probably are two of the greatest thrash albums ever.

I just feel STWOF is more headbang worthy? I can't explain it. I love most Annihilator though.

I do really like the track Knight Jumps Queen from STWOF. It was my first Annihilator track and the bass line keeps getting stuck in my head. The only Annihilator album I don't like is Metal. That album is all kinds of awful.

Also, I approve of the Porcupine Tree.

If you didn't, you'd deserve to be lynched.

Porcupine Tree - Pure Narcotic

I swear, if you don't like Porcupine Tree, you don't like music. They are so varied that there has to be at least one song you like by them. I would argue that PT is probably the greatest modern prog band. Or one of the best prog bands ever.

At 9/8/11 03:41 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 9/8/11 08:03 AM, Bahamut wrote: Endgame is easily the best modern Megadeth album.

That isn't saying much. Only the first six Megadeth albums are TRULY worth listening to.

I'd say Endgame was on par with Youthanasia. Does that sound good to you?

At 9/7/11 04:47 PM, Bahamut wrote: Finally, full tracklisting and album artwork for Megadeth's TH1RT3EN.

I'm convinced this album is going to fucking suck, based off the album and song names alone.

I don't want to be cynical about it. I've been looking forward to this album all year and I'm not going to think it'll suck just because they recycle songs or have really dumb song titles. Endgame had bad song titles but the music itself turned out well.

03. Whose Life Is It Anyways?

I fucking lol'd.

Guns, Drugs & Money is the funniest song title.

At 9/8/11 09:54 PM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 9/8/11 01:28 AM, joeyjoah wrote: With some exceptions, I like the headbanging, 'riffy' thrash the most.

First band that came to mind when you said riffy: Sacrilege (UK).

I actually like this. Definitely... riffy.

Since you're here right now, I have a question to ask regarding Dark Quarterer. I enjoyed their debut album but I'm not sure which album of theirs to get from the other four. Do you know which ones are worth picking up?