At 7/7/10 11:36 PM, JaY11 wrote: Thanks, seeing as though you both recommended Dream Theatre, what would you say is their best album for a beginner? I've heard only a few of their songs.

I'd suggest Systematic Chaos.

Listen to The Dark Eternal Night first, it's sexy.

At 7/7/10 12:23 PM, greensucksbluerules wrote: And Slayer was smart to make Angel of Death the first song and Raining Blood the last. Too many bands put all of their good songs at the beginning of their albums.

Don't know why I didn't think this sooner but YES! They knew Raining Blood was so good that they had to put it at the end of the album. I've noticed that many albums like to put all their good songs at the start and then leave the lesser ones for the end but not Reign in Blood. Just for that reason, I now like Reign in Blood even more!

At 7/7/10 11:36 PM, JaY11 wrote: Thanks, seeing as though you both recommended Dream Theatre, what would you say is their best album for a beginner? I've heard only a few of their songs.

Images and Words, no doubt.

Is that bad that I prefer modern metal instead of old school metal?

At 7/8/10 10:02 AM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: Is that bad that I prefer modern metal instead of old school metal?

Depends on what you mean by modern metal.

At 7/8/10 04:45 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I'll try to avoid giving the same bands as the other guys.

Spastic Ink
Blotted Science
Death
Liquid Tension Experiment

Well, you failed.

At 7/8/10 10:08 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 7/8/10 10:02 AM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: Is that bad that I prefer modern metal instead of old school metal?

Depends on what you mean by modern metal.

For example, old school metal usually sound more harsh and dirty, and modern metal has a melodic line more clean and clear.

For example:

This is modern metal for me.

And this is old-school metal

At 7/8/10 08:24 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 7/7/10 11:36 PM, JaY11 wrote: Thanks, seeing as though you both recommended Dream Theatre, what would you say is their best album for a beginner? I've heard only a few of their songs.

Images and Words, no doubt.

I must be the only person who prefers When Dream and Day Unite.

Also, I got Queensryche's Greatest Hits album. I like it. It's like if Iron Maiden and Anthrax had a baby.

At 7/8/10 10:44 AM, TheUnwisePoet wrote:

At 7/8/10 10:08 AM, Dalnaki wrote:

At 7/8/10 10:02 AM, TheUnwisePoet wrote: Is that bad that I prefer modern metal instead of old school metal?

Depends on what you mean by modern metal.

For example, old school metal usually sound more harsh and dirty, and modern metal has a melodic line more clean and clear.

For example:

This is modern metal for me.

And this is old-school metal

Vio-Lence is the better sounding one. Anyway, so it basically boils to you not being able to stomach production that isn't polished and sterile?

At 7/8/10 07:17 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote: I'd suggest Systematic Chaos.

Ignore this like you'd ignore the plague!
Listen to Sensey, he got it right first time.

At 7/8/10 01:02 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: I must be the only person who prefers When Dream and Day Unite.

They'll be shit loads of pretencious Dream Theater fans who pretend to like that album to appear edgy.
I'm not saying you're pretencious though... you're just weird :P.

... and wait, pretencious Dream Theater fans? As if!

Also, I got Queensryche's Greatest Hits album. I like it. It's like if Iron Maiden and Anthrax had a baby.

I bought that when I was 17 and Music Zone still existed. I've never played it.

At 7/8/10 02:41 PM, Nev wrote: Ignore this like you'd ignore the plague!

You'd ignore the plague?

Listen to Sensey, he got it right first time.

DON'T YOU THINK I KNOW THAT?

At 7/8/10 01:02 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: Also, I got Queensryche's Greatest Hits album. I like it. It's like if Iron Maiden and Anthrax had a baby.

I bought that when I was 17 and Music Zone still existed. I've never played it.

Just get Operation Mindcrime and Empire, then you have the best of Queensryche.

At 7/8/10 02:41 PM, Nev wrote: I'm not saying you're pretencious though... you're just weird :P.

I guess I like it because it has sort of a classic low-fi Metal feel to it.

Nowadays they're just seeing how pretentious they can be before people stop buying their music.

I give them ten more years.

At 7/8/10 03:12 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: You'd ignore the plague?

I was getting inside dat ass and flipping dat shit around!

At 7/8/10 03:35 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: I give them ten more years.

God I hope not, I don't want to have to waste more money on dreadful albums. And I will have to, having an incomplete collection just won't do.

At 7/8/10 10:33 AM, Sense-Offender wrote:

Well, you failed.

Useless post. I said I didn't read all the other guys posts, so I really don't give a fuck.

At 7/8/10 07:17 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote:

At 7/7/10 11:36 PM, JaY11 wrote: Thanks, seeing as though you both recommended Dream Theatre, what would you say is their best album for a beginner? I've heard only a few of their songs.

I'd suggest Systematic Chaos.

Listen to The Dark Eternal Night first, it's sexy.

Images And Words is way better than Systematic Chaos. Every single song on Images and Words is classic and awesome. Definitely their best album :)

At 7/8/10 05:54 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Useless post. I said I didn't read all the other guys posts, so I really don't give a fuck.

You failed at having a sense of humour too.

So I'm giving you a second chance.

At 7/8/10 05:59 PM, Nev wrote:

At 7/8/10 05:54 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Useless post. I said I didn't read all the other guys posts, so I really don't give a fuck.

You failed at having a sense of humour too.

So I'm giving you a second chance.

Strangely, your sense of humor seems to be based on always trying to make me look bad, no matter what I say :)

At 7/8/10 05:54 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 7/8/10 10:33 AM, Sense-Offender wrote:

Well, you failed.

Useless post.

Well, you failed.

At 7/8/10 06:02 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Strangely, your sense of humor seems to be based on always trying to make me look bad, no matter what I say :)

Thats what guys do! Jeez!

At 7/8/10 06:03 PM, Sense-Offender wrote:

Well, you failed.

What a big fail of course. I have listed bands that some of the guys had already listed. Silly me!

get the rocks out of your ass and stop shitting blood everywhere

At 7/8/10 06:36 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: get the rocks out of your ass and stop shitting blood everywhere

Why do you think that you have to add your little word to a situation that was already over?

So before we get someone else to join this useless fight, I will ask you guys what you think of the most recent Nevermore album. First thing that hit me was that the lyrics are terrible... The first song is pretty good, but the whole album is kind of so-so. The Obsidian Conspiracy is like a rollercoaster. There are a few good parts, but nothing memorable. I will listen to it a few more times, maybe I'll find something to catch my attention. Right now, I just can't stop listenning to the album Soul Circus by Victor Wooten. Man! That stuff is groovy !!!

At 7/8/10 06:43 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 7/8/10 06:36 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: get the rocks out of your ass and stop shitting blood everywhere

Why do you think that you have to add your little word to a situation that was already over?

So before we get someone else to join this useless fight, I will ask you guys what you think of the most recent Nevermore album. First thing that hit me was that the lyrics are terrible... The first song is pretty good, but the whole album is kind of so-so. The Obsidian Conspiracy is like a rollercoaster. There are a few good parts, but nothing memorable. I will listen to it a few more times, maybe I'll find something to catch my attention. Right now, I just can't stop listenning to the album Soul Circus by Victor Wooten. Man! That stuff is groovy !!!

I never could properly get into Nevermore, altough i do like some of their songs. Obsidian Conspiracy is pretty good, my favorite song from it is Without morals.
I agree about the stupid lyrics. " The world is just a spinning ball of confusion that no one understands" is up there with "fucking magnets".

Also i did see this band live last week. They were pretty lame after Overkill's crazy show.

i got sunn O)))'s newest album, monoliths & dimensions. it's pretty fucking cool, especially with the expanded instrumentation (they've got string trios and choirs and church bells and conch shells and trombones playing))). really good refrigerator music. the last track in particular ("alice"))) is really interesting; apparently it was written in tribute to alice coltrane.

Australia's finest stoner sludge.

At 7/8/10 01:18 PM, Dalnaki wrote: Vio-Lence is the better sounding one. Anyway, so it basically boils to you not being able to stomach production that isn't polished and sterile?

Seconded.

While their are some great modern metal bands and some not so great old metal bands, your examples didn't really prove your point.

At 7/8/10 01:02 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

Images and Words, no doubt.

I must be the only person who prefers When Dream and Day Unite.

Believe it or not, I prefer Metropolis Part II. (followed by Awake)

Also, I got Queensryche's Greatest Hits album. I like it. It's like if Iron Maiden and Anthrax had a baby.

Go listen to some Fates Warning now, kthxbai.

At 7/8/10 02:41 PM, Nev wrote:

At 7/8/10 07:17 AM, ZpLiNtEh wrote: I'd suggest Systematic Chaos.

Ignore this like you'd ignore the plague!
Listen to Sensey, he got it right first time.

Systamatic Chaos was my 2nd DT album after Octavarium.

Today, Systematic Chaos is my favorite '00 DT album.

Six Degrees was amazing at first, but it got old fast and now the entire album is a borefest.

Train Of Thought has This Dying Soul, In The Name Of God and Stream of Consciousness but the rest of the album sucks.

Octavarium's only GREAT song is the self-titled song - the rest of that album flows HORRIBLY, Walk Besides You and the Answers Lie Within did not fit in at all...while that album has all good songs it's flow between songs is so bad that it makes it an album you listen to for an indivual track as opposed to the entire record.

Black Clouds has A Nightmare To Remember and The Count Of Tuscany, but the rest of the album is soooooooooo generic and boring it's not even funny.

Then you got Systematic Chaos where the only bad song is Forsaken and the whole album has relatively good flow.

My verdict: SC is by far the best DT album released after Metropolis Part 2.

SPEAKING OF DREAM THEATER: I'm seeing Dream Theater and Charred Walls Of The Damned on saturday, it's one of there three off shows without maiden on the tour but I don't really mind since it means DT has a longer set and i'm not really interested in seeing maiden.

SPEAKING OF NEVERMORE: They're touring in october in North America headlining with Municipal Waste, Warbringer and Hatesphere! I'm pumped!

The fact that you left Images And Words just prooves that you are not getting it

:'(

Images And Words is their best. There is not a single track on this album that isn't memorable and just awesome :)

Oh damn, where you talking about the 00's albums? I guess I forgot to read that part.

At 7/8/10 11:02 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Oh damn, where you talking about the 00's albums? I guess I forgot to read that part.

I'd say:
1.) Metropolis Part II
2.) Awake
3.) Images And Words
4.) A Change Of Seasons
5.) WDADU
6.) Systamatic Chaos
7.) Train Of Thought
8.) Black Clouds & Silver Linings
9.) Falling Into Infinity
10.) Octavarium
11.) Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence (This one is funny cause once it was my favorite DT album)

My personal rankings.

I've read reviews saying this album is not that good. Sadly, one of the most overused argument is "overated".

Which is the worst and most unprecise way too describe something. Only thing it means is that a lot of people are liking it and that the author doesn't agree with these people.

So I'd like to get a review of the album, as a single and unique art piece and not as a part of Dream Theater's discography.

Is this shit good or what?

At 7/8/10 11:43 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Is this shit good or what?

Which album?

August Burns Red anyone?