At 2/21/09 01:05 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Don't get me wrong, Power Metal is awesome, but it's easy to make a crappy power metal band.

I think it'd be a lot easier to start a death metal band.

The problem I have with most death metal is the music is solely premised on the vocals, their are rarely guitar solos and such and the instrumental is just basic and boring.

You'd need many more years as an experienced guitarist, keyboardist, etc. to be able to play good power metal than you would need to play in a good death or black metal band.

In my opinion.

At 2/21/09 12:49 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Fuck dammit dude, it's pretty fucking god damn apparent that you're fucking trying to get an argument out of Duff. Lay off.

I don't want a argument, I just wanna see what he thinks is shit power metal.

At 2/21/09 12:50 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: I don't, but don't take that as an insult. I don't remember a lot of things.

No problem, I only posted once in here every few days or even weeks back then, these days i'm a much more active member in the hell.

Power metal is awesome. I prefer the speed/power metal style of old Blind Guardian,

BG has constantly and always will be the most epic power metal band in existence.

It sucks that they don't plan on releasing a new album till late 2010 and don't plan on going on tour till mid 2011.

Oh will.

Iron Savior, and Grave Digger,

Amazing bands, i'm happy someone here knows who they are other than me and maybe Rokuro.

but I still listen to more flowery bands like Heavenly and Avantasia every so often.

Not my favorite type of power metal as well but still good listens every now and then.

In other news I have been getting into a lot of progressive rock lately, any recommendations? (I don't care that it's not metal.)

At 2/21/09 01:27 PM, AniMetal wrote: I think it'd be a lot easier to start a death metal band.

It would.
But thats because it'd be easier to find someone who can growl decently. Finding someone who can sing Power Metal would be a task and a half.

The problem I have with most death metal is the music is solely premised on the vocals, their are rarely guitar solos and such and the instrumental is just basic and boring.

Necrophagist, Psycroptic, Nile, Craptopsy (when they were good), Demilich, Death, Opeth, Cynic, Gojira, Neuraxis, Arsis, Gonin-Ish all disagree with you.

You'd need many more years as an experienced guitarist, keyboardist, etc. to be able to play good power metal than you would need to play in a good death or black metal band.

Power Metal is easy to play... unless you're Angra or Symphony X.

At 2/21/09 01:05 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: In fact these two bands are nice.

Your just weird, your saying DF is nice yet you are said most power metal bands are shit.

Do you even LISTEN to these bands or do you just listen to one song and judge off that?

I tend to forget about the bands that I don't like...

I'm calling bull on this.

But power metal is quite basic.

No, it's not.

Most power metal is just as hard to play as Progressive metal.

but it's easy to make a crappy power metal band.

Like? Examples of a shit power metal band.

At 2/21/09 12:50 PM, ElGhoulio wrote: *Pic*

I like your beard.

At 2/21/09 01:32 PM, Nev wrote: Necrophagist, Psycroptic, Nile, Craptopsy (when they were good), Demilich, Death, Opeth, Cynic, Gojira, Neuraxis, Arsis, Gonin-Ish all disagree with you.

Mih.

What i'm saying is i've heard many shit death metal bands in my life, but i've heard very few shit power metal bands.

Power Metal is easy to play... unless you're Angra or Symphony X.

Blind Guardian, Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, Gamma Ray, Edguy, Dreamchild, Pyramaze, Iced Earth depending on the album, Iron Mask, Iron Savior, Kamelot, Firewind, Icewind, Ruinthrone, Crown the Lost, Cyronic and many more bands disagree with you.

At 2/21/09 01:32 PM, OverCynicalBlasphemy wrote: No, it's not.

Most power metal is just as hard to play as Progressive metal.

Structurally, power metal is pretty simple. The chords change relatively slow, as one chord will be used for about two measures.

At 2/21/09 12:31 PM, AniMetal wrote: Welcome to the club Life-Stream, i'm happy your in.

Thanks Spencer. I dunno if i´ll really fit in though....i do love metal, but all you guys here seem to know hundreds of groups each and stuff. Though i like to listen to metal, i just don´t have enough ´metal general knowledge´ to keep up with you guys o_O

I´ll try and join in every now and then though.

In other news I have been getting into a lot of progressive rock lately, any recommendations? (I don't care that it's not metal.)

Dream theater if you don´t already listen to them. I think some of their more progressive stuff are songs like Octavarium, In the presence of enemies (Part 2 more so than Part1), A change of Seasons, Metropolis, Pull me under)

At 2/21/09 01:44 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Structurally, power metal is pretty simple. The chords change relatively slow, as one chord will be used for about two measures.

Depends on the song and/or band you are talking about.

I mean, is there any subgenre of any type of metal that's structure isn't simple?

Except for technical metal and technical death metal.

At 2/21/09 01:45 PM, Life-Stream wrote: Thanks Spencer. I dunno if i´ll really fit in though....i do love metal, but all you guys here seem to know hundreds of groups each and stuff. Though i like to listen to metal, i just don´t have enough ´metal general knowledge´ to keep up with you guys o_O

That's why up till mabye two months ago I rarely posted here, cause you guys all talked about stuff I couldn't contribute to.

Oh well, i'm sure you can fit in with some conversations. :P

Also i'd like to say i'm glad you didn't leave NG for good and that you remember who I am. :333

Dream theater if you don´t already listen to them. I think some of their more progressive stuff are songs like Octavarium, In the presence of enemies (Part 2 more so than Part1), A change of Seasons, Metropolis, Pull me under)

Ah Dream Theater, good band.

Best Goth Metal band: Type 0 Negative.

DISSCUSS!!

What's this bullshit about Power/Death/Black being easy to play?

I have tried all, and Black is by far the easiest, although still very difficult.

Death is next.

Power is by far the hardest. You can't fuck about with 3 chord riffs and simple song structure like in Black, and you can't turn the distortion up to 11 to disguise your mistakes.

Power Metal requirements:
1. At least 5 minutes in length.
2. At least one overly long guitar solo.
3. At least one tempo change.
4. Falsetto.
5. At least 1 chorus worth of harmonised vocals.

At 2/21/09 01:50 PM, AniMetal wrote: Oh well, i'm sure you can fit in with some conversations. :P

Maybe.....maybe...

Also i'd like to say i'm glad you didn't leave NG for good and that you remember who I am. :333

I´m alot less active than before, and don´t post everyday now, but i´m still around. And ofcourse i remember you..... it hasn´t been that long.

Ah Dream Theater, good band.

'Good' is an understatement.

At 2/21/09 01:52 PM, Life-Stream wrote: Maybe....maybe.....

Most certainly. :D

I´m alot less active than before, and don´t post everyday now, but i´m still around. And ofcourse i remember you..... it hasn´t been that long.

A few months.

Ah Dream Theater, good band.

'Good' is an understatement.

Alright, they are pretty great skill wise.

But to me they are only good, I can't get into them.

At 2/21/09 01:51 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: Power is by far the hardest. You can't fuck about with 3 chord riffs and simple song structure like in Black, and you can't turn the distortion up to 11 to disguise your mistakes.

Thank you.

1. At least 5 minutes in length.

This is true in most genre's of metal, any band in metal that has an album entirely comprised with 3 minute long songs is most likely shit.

At 2/21/09 01:55 PM, AniMetal wrote: any band in metal that has an album entirely comprised with 3 minute long songs is most likely shit.

Crossover Thrash as a whole would like a word with you.

At 2/21/09 01:57 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 2/21/09 01:55 PM, AniMetal wrote: any band in metal that has an album entirely comprised with 3 minute long songs is most likely shit.

Crossover Thrash as a whole would like a word with you.

Lol punk metal.

Thrash metal and crossover thrash I suppose are the exceptions.

But even then they should still strive for 5+ minute long songs.

At 2/21/09 02:01 PM, AniMetal wrote:

Thrash metal and crossover thrash I suppose are the exceptions.

But even then they should still strive for 5+ minute long songs.

What about groove metal?
Pantera have a lot of 5 mins less songs

At 2/21/09 02:05 PM, Piromano wrote: Pantera have a lot of 5 mins less songs

Aren't almost all of Pantera's songs between 4 and 7 minutes long?

At 2/21/09 02:07 PM, OverCynicalBlasphemy wrote:

At 2/21/09 02:05 PM, Piromano wrote: Pantera have a lot of 5 mins less songs

Aren't almost all of Pantera's songs between 4 and 7 minutes long?

"Mouth for War" - 3:56
"A New Level" - 3:57
"Fucking Hostile" - 2:49
"Primal Concrete Sledge" - 2:13
"Shattered" - 3:21
"Becoming" - 3:05
"Strength Beyond Strength" - 3:38
"Good Friends and a Bottle of Pills" - 2:53

YOU FOUND THE SECRET ITEM:
Nadja - Corrassion (2007 re-issue)

At 2/21/09 01:38 PM, AniMetal wrote: Mih.

Its 'meh'.

What i'm saying is i've heard many shit death metal bands in my life, but i've heard very few shit power metal bands.

Thats about taste though, and this is a discussion about difficulty.

and many more bands disagree with you.

Most Power Metal songs I can pick up the songs with one (maybe two) sight reads. Maybe the solos will be a bit difficult but they're not on standard with Prog and Tech Death.
And the rhythms are usually piss easy.

At 2/21/09 01:45 PM, Life-Stream wrote: I´ll try and join in every now and then though.

If you post and read, you'll learn :).
And check out the bands we mention.

At 2/21/09 01:50 PM, AniMetal wrote: I mean, is there any subgenre of any type of metal that's structure isn't simple?

Avant-Garde Metal.
I win that one :P.

At 2/21/09 01:51 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: I have tried all, and Black is by far the easiest, although still very difficult.

I think I'd have a lot of trouble writing Black Metal. I find it difficult to make fast riffs sound evil. And the drumming is harder than PM.

Power is by far the hardest. You can't fuck about with 3 chord riffs and simple song structure like in Black, and you can't turn the distortion up to 11 to disguise your mistakes.

You just get a nice, defined sound and play chords in the major scale.
PM is eaasssy.

Getting a singer will be hard, sure. But the guitar is basic. Drums are tough but not on the same level as Death/Black. And keyboards and solos are as hard as you want to make them. Look at Lost Horizon, nothing virtuosoy there, its all slow, catchy melodies.

At 2/21/09 02:07 PM, OverCynicalBlasphemy wrote: Aren't almost all of Pantera's songs between 4 and 7 minutes long?

They're all shit :P.

At 2/21/09 02:48 PM, Nev wrote:

At 2/21/09 02:07 PM, OverCynicalBlasphemy wrote: Aren't almost all of Pantera's songs between 4 and 7 minutes long?

They're all shit :P.

What the fuck do you have against Pantera?

At 2/21/09 01:27 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 2/21/09 01:05 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Don't get me wrong, Power Metal is awesome, but it's easy to make a crappy power metal band.

I think it'd be a lot easier to start a death metal band.

When I wrote this post earlier I was also thinking about Death Metal... It is true that some death metal bands have crappy riffs... som people really think that death metal is only about being just heavy and br00tal. But it takes much more to make a good death metal band. Just like it takes much more than a few power chords do make a good power metal band.

The problem I have with most death metal is the music is solely premised on the vocals, their are rarely guitar solos and such and the instrumental is just basic and boring.

You'd need many more years as an experienced guitarist, keyboardist, etc. to be able to play good power metal than you would need to play in a good death or black metal band.

I think that making a very good band of any kind of metal takes a lot of work.

At 2/21/09 01:32 PM, OverCynicalBlasphemy wrote:

At 2/21/09 01:05 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: In fact these two bands are nice.

Your just weird, your saying DF is nice yet you are said most power metal bands are shit.

I never said most power metal bands are shit... I said there's a proliferation of shit power metal bands. That's not the same thing. And btw, the first album of DragonForce was a very good Power Metal recording.

Do you even LISTEN to these bands or do you just listen to one song and judge off that?

I don't. In fact I try give them a second chance whenever I don't like a band at first. That's what I did for Cryptopsy, and now their one of my most favorite bands.

I tend to forget about the bands that I don't like...

I'm calling bull on this.

and on what are you basing your judgemental "call" ?
I have been listenning to a lot of power metal years ago, and I pretty much did forget about a lot of bands, especially those I didn't like.

But power metal is quite basic.

No, it's not.

...yes it is... I'm going to make a song with 5 power chords, use clean vocals and call it power metal. It will be shit power metal indeed... but power metal still.

Most power metal is just as hard to play as Progressive metal.

As I said, even if power metal is basic, a good band will push the style to something more complexe and put more work on it.

but it's easy to make a crappy power metal band.

Like? Examples of a shit power metal band.

me.

At 2/21/09 01:27 PM, AniMetal wrote: In other news I have been getting into a lot of progressive rock lately, any recommendations? (I don't care that it's not metal.)

Kansas -- Leftoverture

At 2/21/09 03:01 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I have been listenning to a lot of power metal years ago, and I pretty much did forget about a lot of bands, especially those I didn't like.

I remember the bands I don't like.

I can list three dozen bands I all out hate that I haven't listened to or heard in years.

...yes it is... I'm going to make a song with 5 power chords, use clean vocals and call it power metal. It will be shit power metal indeed... but power metal still.

me.

I doubt you even can play any instruments.

And you know, REAL bands and not something that doesn't exist.

At 2/21/09 02:14 PM, Piromano wrote: "Mouth for War" - 3:56
"A New Level" - 3:57
"Fucking Hostile" - 2:49
"Primal Concrete Sledge" - 2:13
"Shattered" - 3:21
"Becoming" - 3:05
"Strength Beyond Strength" - 3:38
"Good Friends and a Bottle of Pills" - 2:53

Cowboys From Hell 4:07
Psycho Holiday 5:19
Heresy 4:46
Cemetery Gates 7:02
Domination 5:04
Clash With Reality 5:16
Medicine Man 5:14
Message in Blood 5:10
The Sleep 5:47
The Art of Shredding 4:20
Walk 5:14
This Love 6:32
Rise 4:36
No Good (Attack the Radical) 4:49
Live in a Hole 5:00
Regular People (Conceit) 5:27
By Demons Be Driven 4:40
Hollow 5:48

That's just off two of their albums.

At 2/21/09 04:21 PM, OverCynicalBlasphemy wrote: I can list three dozen bands I all out hate that I haven't listened to or heard in years.

I doubt I could list a dozen bands I hate.

At 2/21/09 04:28 PM, Nev wrote: I doubt I could list a dozen bands I hate.

Well not really hate, more like dislike.

I can't hate any bands considering I don't know them personally.

At 2/21/09 04:28 PM, Nev wrote: I doubt I could list a dozen bands I hate.

I'm going with Nev. Why should I have to think about shitty bands

At 2/21/09 04:49 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 2/21/09 04:28 PM, Nev wrote: I doubt I could list a dozen bands I hate.

I'm going with Nev. Why should I have to think about shitty bands

For me it was more my levels of tolerance for poor music... like where most people would be "Papa Roach, Linkin Park, POD, Puddle of Mudd, etc, etc are shit", I'd go "Yey :D. Everything is so blurry that I'm about to break. Cause I'm losing my mind and I... I feel so alive."

At 2/21/09 04:21 PM, OverCynicalBlasphemy wrote: That's just off two of their albums.

Yeah, well.
It was an example.

Also, why do you hate Pantera Nev?

At 2/21/09 05:22 PM, Piromano wrote: Also, why do you hate Pantera Nev?

A. They're bland.
B. They're fans are wankers.
C. Dimebag is overrated. Having half a head doesn't make you special.

At 2/21/09 05:25 PM, Nev wrote:

At 2/21/09 05:22 PM, Piromano wrote: Also, why do you hate Pantera Nev?

A. They're bland.

Dissagree with this. They have a special type of Metal, that's all...

B. They're fans are wankers.

Agree with this.

C. Dimebag is overrated. Having half a head doesn't make you special.

He might be overrated, but he isn't bad at all.
Dave Mustaine > Dimebag

At 2/21/09 05:28 PM, Piromano wrote: Dave Mustaine > Dimebag

At what?

Being an asshole, or playing guitar?

Because he certainly wins at one of them.

Dave Mustaine doesn´t really seem like an asshole to me.