At 6/12/08 08:32 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: Guys at school call the stuff i play on my phone, 'Hard Rock'.
Belphegor, Daath, Fear Factory, Rhapsody
Not brutal, grim and frostbitten enough for them to call Metal?
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At 6/12/08 03:35 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: Hey! I litsen to a lot of death metal and if you like death metal like this i would certendly recommend the band called Slipknot. They play a mix of brutal and technical death metal. Check them out! Hope you like them!
Trolling, maybe?
Sounds like something I'd say to piss a group of meatheads off.
Fucking godess ov sodomy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7cuMa_yq 3w
More Christ rapeing black metal ooooooo!!!!!
bang yo headsa!!!!
At 6/12/08 03:35 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: Hey! I litsen to a lot of death metal and if you like death metal like this i would certendly recommend the band called Slipknot. They play a mix of brutal and technical death metal. Check them out! Hope you like them!
That is the offical worst YouTube comment of the year.
At 6/12/08 03:35 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:
Hey! I litsen to a lot of death metal and if you like death metal like this i would certendly recommend the band called Slipknot. They play a mix of brutal and technical death metal. Check them out! Hope you like them!
Someone is going to have to die for this
At 6/12/08 02:41 PM, IrishGun wrote: So I like (if not, love) Disturbed's new album.
Sue me.
We don't care, and Disturbed is not metal, so don't bother mentioning it.
At 6/12/08 03:27 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: Right now, Imma listen to Total Eclipse (Digitally Remastered) by Iron Maiden. Of course, in a few years, everyone will be denying that any of the NWBHM were Metal.
No one is denying that. Denying that would be something to the extent of denying who your mother is.
Here I am, bored with everything.
At 6/12/08 03:16 PM, Kiddmeizter wrote:At 6/12/08 02:41 PM, IrishGun wrote: So I like (if not, love) Disturbed's new album.We don't care, and Disturbed is not metal, so don't bother mentioning it.
Sue me.
Don't be so mean, Jimmy. D:
At 6/12/08 03:34 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: Not yet, but I've noticed a trend of people denying bands pre-NWBHM except for Black Sabbath as being Metal.
Those people don't know their history.
I once had a date with a "Metalhead" and she said that led Zeppelin weren't Metal. "Goths" proclaim every Goth band as not being Goth.
That's the thing though. Led Zeppelin aren't "metal" per se, they are an influential band and without them, metal wouldn't be the same. They're again, more in the hard rock category.
Here I am, bored with everything.
At 6/12/08 03:34 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: I once had a date with a "Metalhead" and she said that led Zeppelin weren't Metal. "Goths" proclaim every Goth band as not being Goth.
To be fair, I don't consider Led Zeppelin to be metal, though I do believe that they can be labeled as such. I dunno, their sound isn't metal but what the fuck else are they? They were such a fucking influence and such...
but i've definitely seen self proclaimed "goths" who don't know who Bauhaus, the Cure or Siouxsie and the Banshees are.
At 6/12/08 03:16 PM, Kiddmeizter wrote: We don't care, and Disturbed is not metal, so don't bother mentioning it.
I agree.
It's like you want us to give you negative attention.
And unfortunately for you Ryan you can't pull off the "lol guys I'm listening to something unMetal" like I can.
Then again, Imogen Heap and Disney songs are far better than anything Disturbed has ever done or thought about.
At 6/12/08 03:34 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: I once had a date with a "Metalhead" and she said that led Zeppelin weren't Metal.
Well, she was right. They're a Rock band. This whole 'invented Heavy Metal' thing is just something journalists for bad magazines say to give the impression they know anything about Metal.
Led Zeppelin no doubt had a massive influence on most guitar orientated bands post 70's. And Iron Maiden, Sabbath and Priest would of been no exceptions.
But influencing Metal doesn't make Zeppelin Metal.
Otherwise The Beatles would probably be Metal too.
As would Peter Gabriel.
But anyway, we here tend to preserve the old stuff. It's the new stuff that's unpopular.
We're smart on this subject and we know that Maiden and the like will always be the fathers of Metal.
Which Death shirt should I get. I havn't bought a band shirt in years. So, I figured it's time for another one. The Possessed "Seven Churches: one is great but what do you guys think I should get?
My introduction to Thrash metal:)
At 6/12/08 04:54 PM, Devilrider2 wrote: Which Death shirt should I get. I havn't bought a band shirt in years. So, I figured it's time for another one. The Possessed "Seven Churches: one is great but what do you guys think I should get?
http://cgi.ebay.com/DEATH-Leprosy-Awesom e-RARE-t-shirt-LS_W0QQitemZ360052438519Q QcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
Here's the other Death shirt I forgot to put in.
My introduction to Thrash metal:)
At 6/12/08 05:34 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: AMG calls them Metal, wikipedia calls them Metal, about everytihng I've ever read has called them Metal.
Led Zeppelin are clearly a Rock band with Blues influence.
Calling them Metal is absurb in my opinion. If Led Zeppelin are Metal, then so are Cream, The Yardbirds, The Who, Queen, etc, etc, etc.
At 6/12/08 06:04 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote:At 6/12/08 05:54 PM, Nev wrote:At 6/12/08 05:34 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: AMG calls them Metal, wikipedia calls them Metal, about everytihng I've ever read has called them Metal.
so just because the book I have on heavy metal that claims that Nivana, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, etc are metal means that it is the ultimate authority on the subject instead of tons of metalheads who know differently?
Led Zeppelin had a massive influence on metal, but they are obviously a hard rock band
At 6/12/08 06:04 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: Critic Simon Reynolds cites Led Zeppelin as a Heavy Metal band in his book Rip It Up And Start Again. 2 reviews in 1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die call them Metal. Mark Prindle calls them metal.
The general concenus (sp?) in this club is that they're not Metal.
And being that we listen to Metal as our main, or one of our main genres of music I have more faith in our opinion of what is and what is not Metal. As opposed to people who probably don't listen to Metal much, or at least not beyond Metallica and Iron Maiden.
People call System of a Down, Trivium, Disturbed, Avenged Sevenfold, Guns N' Roses and such Metal.
We disagree.
So maybe its about what your definition of Metal is. In mine, Led Zeppelin are an influencial Rock band with a Blues and Folk influence. Not a Metal band in any way.
At 6/12/08 06:26 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: Not every written word is correct, but there is a near universal concensus about the status of Led Zeppelin amoung critics.
And it possible they're all wrong.
The critics only call them metal because of their large influence on it. Most music critics can't seem to put bands in the right genres for their lives. I've seen many critics call Slipknot metal and even death metal, but they're terribly, terribly wrong. Nirvana had little in the way of any sort of a metal influence. I don't consider Grunge to be a style of music, rather it was a time period. Listen to Alice in Chains and Pearl Jam, both labeled grunge, and tell me how they're similar.
Also, my reasoning for Led Zeppelin being hard rock and not metal:
Communcation Breakdown. One of Zeppelin's heavier songs.
And here's a Black Sabbath tune.
One is much heavier than the other. The lyrics were different, more morbid and macabre. Despite what critics say, the metal community, are the real judges of what is metal or not. I don't care about what some guy is paid to write about in a magazine says, the major consensus of metalheads is that of Led Zeppelin being an influence, but not metal.
Here I am, bored with everything.
At 6/12/08 06:56 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: I've never seen a critic call William S. Burroughs or Suicide Industrial.
I meant musically.
I'm not saying that a music critic can't be wrong. I can only assume that whoever called Slipknot Death Metal works for a tabloid or something. At this point, I have to ask: if Nu-Metal isn't Metal, then why is Hard Rock Rock? It sure sounds very different from Cuck Berry.
Metalheads (or at least I) don't like the term nu-metal because it gives people with no knowledge of metal the idea that the band in question is metal. We prefer the term aggro-rock, which is what exactly what it sounds like. Hard rock is another catch-all term used by people to describe 70's bands who were sorta heavy but not really metal. It's still just rock.
Here I am, bored with everything.
At 6/12/08 06:56 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: If that were true, then I would trust my mother about what Christianity is over what priests say. If one trusts the community more than the written word
The written word is written by those in the community. Both can be fallible.
What stylistic elements are there about Zeppelin that make them Metal and not Rock? In your opinion, ZAAL.
At 6/12/08 06:13 PM, Lost-Thought wrote:At 6/12/08 06:04 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote:At 6/12/08 05:54 PM, Nev wrote:At 6/12/08 05:34 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: AMG calls them Metal, wikipedia calls them Metal, about everytihng I've ever read has called them Metal.
I see what you're saying. Really, there is tons of answers to who started Heavy Metal and or the sub-generas. For example, it's somewhat difficult to tell who started the second wave of black metal. Many say it was Mayhem and many such as me say it was Sarcofago. Which, "I.N.R.I" and "Deathcrush" where released in August of 1987. Mayhem being from Norway and Sarcofago being from Brazil. Which, Death and Black Metal was very big in South America in the late 80's and through the early 90's. Personally, I beleive that Sarcofago helped coin the second wave of black metal in terms of Black/Death. Partially because "I.N.R.I" had extreme blast beats and much more crunchy vocals. Yes, they wore corpse paint when they started but slowly dropped the look by the early 90's. Where as Mayhem when they started, where more in the realms of Venom, Bathory, and Celtic Frost. Which, they helped spawn the Norwegian scene. So, they both get the credit when it comes to the second wave of black metal. Same goes with the fact that I see such records as "Pleasure To Kill" by Kreator get called Death Metal. Well, that's a bit absurd in my veiw. I see Kreator as a more faster and brutal form of Thrash. The same goes with Dark Angel's "Darkness Descends" and Demolition Hammer's "Tortured Existence". With "Epidemic of Violence" in there too. Heck, even some of the stuff on Nuclear Assault's debut record "Game Over" has blast beats. But, they're not Death Metal. Early Death Metal is in the veins of Possessed, Death, Massacre, etc. Overall, the thing that ponders me the most is that Slayer is called Death Metal now days. Yes, they did
influence some of the earlier Death Metal record such as "Seven Churches" bu Possessed. But, Slayer is Thrash. I think some get the idea that they're Death Metal by the growls that's in "Hell Awaits". In fact, those growls where made by a machine.
My introduction to Thrash metal:)
Anything pre-Sabbath isn't Metal. Journalists credit these bands with starting Metal but Sabbath were the first band that were not hard rock and were Metal. As far as I know.
Metalheads (or at least I) don't like the term nu-metal because it gives people with no knowledge of metal the idea that the band in question is metal. We prefer the term aggro-rock, which is what exactly what it sounds like. Hard rock is another catch-all term used by people to describe 70's bands who were sorta heavy but not really metal. It's still just rock.
My thoughts exactly.
My introduction to Thrash metal:)
A question which is not asked often enough is, what is it that makes metal? Like, if nu-metal isn't metal, then what about drone metal like Sunn O)))? It seems to be like Death Metal, Thrash Metal and Heavy Metal are very comfortably in the definition of Metal, Black Metal less so, and Doom and Drone and Grindcore real outliers, perhaps just as much as Metalcore and Nu-Metal.
I think it's because trve kvlt metallers view metalcore and nu-metal as trendy and faddish, but doom and drone and grindcore are already well established. Also perhaps because Metalcore and Nu-Metal is more obviously an affront to the standard definition of Heavy Metal.
I dunno. Just some thoughts. And I suppose Doom Metal is still blatantly Metal, but it's not really fast or particularly technical, but I can sympathise with metalcore fans who are like 'it's blatantly metal'.
At 6/12/08 07:40 PM, Earfetish wrote: A question which is not asked often enough is, what is it that makes metal? Like, if nu-metal isn't metal, then what about drone metal like Sunn O)))? It seems to be like Death Metal, Thrash Metal and Heavy Metal are very comfortably in the definition of Metal, Black Metal less so, and Doom and Drone and Grindcore real outliers, perhaps just as much as Metalcore and Nu-Metal.
Doom is just a continuation (in my opinion) of Black Sabbath's legacy. There's a difference between Swallow the Sun and Sunn O))). I guess because Sunn O))) is so extreme that it could only be grouped in the metal category. I'd rather drone metal would be eliminated and it would be just drone, but that's just me. Some established metal bands (such as the Melvins) dabble into drone or arguably invented it, thus maybe adding to its metal cred. In all honesty, I have no idea.
I think it's because trve kvlt metallers view metalcore and nu-metal as trendy and faddish, but doom and drone and grindcore are already well established. Also perhaps because Metalcore and Nu-Metal is more obviously an affront to the standard definition of Heavy Metal.
I guess you could put it that way. Grind is also a very controversial genre though. There's grind like Napalm Death and there's grind like Sore Throat. The emphasis on either death metal or hardcore makes the difference, just like in most metalcore. Some metalcore bands are just an excuse to play the same breakdown over and over again while others like Between the Buried and Me try to push the envelope but with a hardcore tinge. Nu Metal to me, is just the bastard child of Tool and Faith No More, not matching the technical brilliance of Tool, or the overall silliness and perfect blending of genres of Faith No More.
I dunno. Just some thoughts. And I suppose Doom Metal is still blatantly Metal, but it's not really fast or particularly technical, but I can sympathise with metalcore fans who are like 'it's blatantly metal'.
Well look at a band like Evergreen Terrace. They're blatantly hardcore, even proclaiming it themselves, yet people (who are metalcore fans) believe it to be the heaviest shit on the face of the earth. That's what gets to me. I have no other inherent problem with metalcore.
Here I am, bored with everything.
At 6/12/08 06:42 PM, Idiosyncratic wrote: Nirvana had little in the way of any sort of a metal influence.
well they went through a phase of idolizing the melvins in the early days, and a good amount of the songs on bleach sound pretty sludgey because of that (apart from the vocals.)
Despite what critics say, the metal community, are the real judges of what is metal or not. I don't care about what some guy is paid to write about in a magazine says, the major consensus of metalheads is that of Led Zeppelin being an influence, but not metal.
plus theres the fact that the mainstream music media are generally ignorant bastards when it comes to rock and metal history- elvis came and invented it, then jimi became the greatest guitarist to ever live ever, then after the terrible prog era rock music was saved by the sex pistols. the end.
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At 6/12/08 09:07 PM, mrdurgan wrote:
well they went through a phase of idolizing the melvins in the early days, and a good amount of the songs on bleach sound pretty sludgey because of that (apart from the vocals.)
I admit I forgot that little tidbit. Either way, I've never heard Bleach, is it worth buying?
plus theres the fact that the mainstream music media are generally ignorant bastards when it comes to rock and metal history- elvis came and invented it, then jimi became the greatest guitarist to ever live ever, then after the terrible prog era rock music was saved by the sex pistols. the end.
Is that your opinion or the media's?
Here I am, bored with everything.
on the Led Zep debate:
they're not in the metal-archives. (and if trivium is in there and not led zep, that says something about led zep's metalness.)
At 6/13/08 02:27 AM, D3NTATUS wrote: on the Led Zep debate:
they're not in the metal-archives. (and if trivium is in there and not led zep, that says something about led zep's metalness.)
I honestly don't know how anyone could confuse them as Metal. They have a complete lack of any heaviness, speed or aggressiveness. Well the level any Metal band has.
Iron Maiden, when it comes to Metal are pretty soft, in fact a lot of people call them Hard Rock (ugh) yet they are tenfold heavier than Zepplin.
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