At 5/16/17 10:31 AM, Shantom wrote: Simply put, if a medal worked for someone after it failed to work for someone else, then the medal is working. You either had a problem back then or there is a certain trick to obtain it. The more people to confirm it, the better.
(even if the medal is not working for me but working for someone else, it stays.)

I released Bird Hob 2 knowing that the medals only work 90% of the time. I thought I had enough fallbacks in case the medals weren't being sent, but looking at the source code today they're not working correctly. The medal should now get the saved local score alone.

I obliged on removing the 10k medal in an update because I found it too annoying to unlock.

At 5/16/17 09:34 PM, Mantis1 wrote:

At 5/16/17 10:31 AM, Shantom wrote: Simply put, if a medal worked for someone after it failed to work for someone else, then the medal is working. You either had a problem back then or there is a certain trick to obtain it. The more people to confirm it, the better.
(even if the medal is not working for me but working for someone else, it stays.)

I released Bird Hob 2 knowing that the medals only work 90% of the time. I thought I had enough fallbacks in case the medals weren't being sent, but looking at the source code today they're not working correctly. The medal should now get the saved local score alone.

I obliged on removing the 10k medal in an update because I found it too annoying to unlock.

See? @Shantom @NeonSpider - problem solved, case closed.
And this is how the problems should be solved - by looking for a solution.
So you both can stop throwing tons of tons of tons of arguments at each other, because it is not creating any progress in the particular - or any other - case anyway :-) Spend that energy on looking for ways to improve things :-)

Oh, and no need to thank me ;-)

At 5/16/17 09:34 PM, Mantis1 wrote: I released Bird Hob 2 knowing that the medals only work 90% of the time. I thought I had enough fallbacks in case the medals weren't being sent, but looking at the source code today they're not working correctly. The medal should now get the saved local score alone.

I obliged on removing the 10k medal in an update because I found it too annoying to unlock.

Alright, thank you! The medal is now able to be unlocked and I obtained it. I did have to refresh and then die about 10 times after earning a 10k+ score before it registered after this recent fix of yours, but it did finally work. So it's good that finally anyone can unlock that medal again.

I have respect for you because you are a game author who does actually reply and does actually try to make things right. And because you are trying to improve and learn along the way. You've always been trying to be helpful, even though the game itself had bugs.

At 5/16/17 11:50 PM, NeonSpider wrote: Alright, thank you! The medal is now able to be unlocked and I obtained it. I did have to refresh and then die about 10 times after earning a 10k+ score before it registered after this recent fix of yours, but it did finally work. So it's good that finally anyone can unlock that medal again.

*Breathes sigh of relief*

I have respect for you because you are a game author who does actually reply and does actually try to make things right. And because you are trying to improve and learn along the way. You've always been trying to be helpful, even though the game itself had bugs.

Yeah, I acknowledge the bugs and I feel bad about how sloppy the game turned out! Fixing everything annoying in Bird Hop 2 would take as much resources as creating a new game because of the original source code (I'm a better programmer now I promise!). It's a better investment for my time to create a new, original game.

At 5/16/17 11:54 AM, HerbieG wrote: I think that I'll bring attention of the author to this discussion, here goes: @Mantis1

Thanks HerbieG!
I had already PMed him before your mention. :P

At 5/16/17 05:56 PM, NeonSpider wrote: Yes and you would have had to manually remove it each time it didn't work, something a normal user and non-moderator couldn't do. And not just for me, but for anyone else who should have obtained it but didn't, etc... So yes it really was broken.

That medal was one of a kind (before it got fixed). Out of 12 users who attempted it, you were the only one who didn't obtain it. I wouldn't mind helping you (removing your score) or anyone else to obtain it. But then again, since the author is active, he would've been the best solution.

A working medal should work 100%, but there are tons of medals that don't unlock right away (for many reasons); that doesn't make it broken. In this case, the author said it was working 90%, so it's STILL working but not properly (not entirely broken).

A broken medal doesn't work at all (100% broken or impossible to obtain. Also, there are other cases). No one can obtain it except hackers.

It's a lengthy medal to obtain, so few people would have it *anyway*. It's not like a medal hundreds of people were going to have. I'm sure other people did try but simply didn't make it far enough, as the high score tables would be proof enough of whoever it affected.

I know it's a lengthy medal but I wanted a 3rd user to test it. Checking the scores again, I see RedN obtained it 10 days later. So (maybe not 100% but) it was working.

That medal was working until the 3rd user confirms otherwise.

That's not how computer programs work.

I meant, it would've helped. Me and you playing judge isn't enough. We are talking about flash games on NG.. some things aren't that perfect.

Except removing the score would have given me only a single attempt at it, etc... plus if anything went wrong during that attempt, same manual workaround (not doable by the regular users themselves).

I get your point, but it was one of a kind medal. The author is active so that's a good thing, but if he wasn't, I wouldn't mind helping you as many times as it takes (though I know it's not the best solution but I'm trying to help).

you are literally *LUCKY* it didn't happen to you!

^^ 1 out of 12 users failed to unlock the medal.
I wasn't lucky... you were just unlucky.

And that's not at all "on my side" when it is literally on the server side.

The server isn't perfect, and when I say it's on your side I don't mean it's your fault. I mean an error/glitch happened somehow/somewhere which prevented you from getting the medal, that's not your fault (but it only happened to you which is why I'm saying it's on your side).

In this case, it's an HTML5 game (no .sol file) and your score was registered. And based on the coding of the game, you could never achieve it. If I knew this was the problem, I would've helped you, but thanks to the author for being active and fixing the problem.

During the time I unlocked it I had Supporter status and prior to that I did not. The game literally spams the Newgrounds API to the point it gets temporarily blacklisted

Me and EdyKel (and some other users I checked) didn't have supporter status back then, and the medal worked. I'm not saying the game and the medal are perfect, but the medal was still working somehow (with a different condition).
I'm not blaming you for what happened, but I wouldn't remove a medal that works somehow. If more users were to confirm that it was broken (after testing it correctly) I would've removed it.

Also, since the game spams NG API and causes problems for users, it should be fixed or removed entirely (instead of removing that one medal since the problem is with the game to begin with). But, the game is still around.. and so does the medal.. :/

You're not a programmer.

No I'm not. :3

I called you biased because your actions were biased. I evaluated your actions at the time, not your personality.

You assumed that I kept that medal because it worked for me, but that wasn't the reason. I stopped collecting medals long time ago. I don't care how many medals stay or get removed. I'm just trying to be fair and help everyone (this is not personal).

You mentioned the medal. I checked it and it seemed like it could be working. I tested it and it worked. I asked for others to test it but no one did, so I kept it. You wanted me to remove it because it didn't work for you since it may be broken? Fair, but one user isn't enough to do that. I needed more confirmation.

Simply put, if a medal worked for someone after it failed to work for someone else, then the medal is working.

Not necessarily.

It is. :O
A user tried but didn't unlock it. Another user tried after that and he unlocked it (no hacks used). Assuming the game wasn't updated, that medal works (even if not 100%). So, the first user either failed to do the exact requirements or he faced some kind of a problem. The problem could be from the game itself, but that medal still works, not 100% broken.

It's not a workaround if only moderators and administrators can perform the action.

True..

At 5/16/17 09:34 PM, Mantis1 wrote: I released Bird Hob 2 knowing that the medals only work 90% of the time.

First of all, thanks for the fix! :>
Also, believe me when I say this, there are much worse medals and games out there. Your game and medals aren't as bad as you think. They worked for most users which is a great achievement. Don't feel bad about it.

I obliged on removing the 10k medal in an update because I found it too annoying to unlock.

Well..... it wasn't as fun and challenging as I hoped it would be. It just took too long :P
But it's not a bad medal btw.

At 5/16/17 09:47 PM, HerbieG wrote: See? @Shantom @NeonSpider - problem solved, case closed.

Thanks again HerbieG :)

So you both can stop throwing tons of tons of tons of arguments at each other

But.. but.. he started it! :<
lol.. All jokes aside, I don't hate you or hold a grudge against you @NeonSpider. We just got off on the wrong foot. I'm still willing to help you whenever I can.
That's just who I am.

Oh, and no need to thank me ;-)

ops.. XD

At 5/17/17 09:25 AM, Shantom wrote: A working medal should work 100%, but there are tons of medals that don't unlock right away (for many reasons); that doesn't make it broken. In this case, the author said it was working 90%, so it's STILL working but not properly (not entirely broken).

A broken medal doesn't work at all (100% broken or impossible to obtain. Also, there are other cases). No one can obtain it except hackers.

I'm aware of lots of cases of misbehaving medals or medals requiring workarounds to achieve (the most common workaround being save game, reload page, then earn medal for medals that take a long time, to bypass possible medal API timeout problems). Even medals that must be obtained many times before they actually finally award. I don't post about broken medals if it's only not worked for me once or a few times, but after I've tried it many times, have tried many workarounds, and am convinced it's not obtainable, even with workarounds.

I get your point, but it was one of a kind medal. The author is active so that's a good thing, but if he wasn't, I wouldn't mind helping you as many times as it takes (though I know it's not the best solution but I'm trying to help).

But what happens when other people or perhaps a lot of people need those services? What happens if ten years down the line if you're not active anymore and people can't get the medal? It is of course best when any standard account user can get things working on their own. It's good that it got fixed in this case.

During the time I unlocked it I had Supporter status and prior to that I did not. The game literally spams the Newgrounds API to the point it gets temporarily blacklisted

Me and EdyKel (and some other users I checked) didn't have supporter status back then, and the medal worked. I'm not saying the game and the medal are perfect, but the medal was still working somehow (with a different condition).
I'm not blaming you for what happened, but I wouldn't remove a medal that works somehow. If more users were to confirm that it was broken (after testing it correctly) I would've removed it.

Well, they had. There were comments in the reviews of the game itself. Also it should be assumed the vast majority of people who had the next-to-last medal but not that final medal most likely were hit with this issue as well, considering if you put up with the game to that point why wouldn't you finish it out? Combined with the final boss just isn't that hard. Sure, there may be a few who stopped playing before they finished it out, but the vast majority would have finished it out if they got that far.

Also, since the game spams NG API and causes problems for users, it should be fixed or removed entirely (instead of removing that one medal since the problem is with the game to begin with). But, the game is still around.. and so does the medal.. :/

Well, that's exactly what I suggested. I said if it's harmful to the site it should probably not have medals. And it provably spams medal connection because just about every time playing that game (and only that game) I would get warnings from Newgrounds about slow down because too many requests.

The blacklist on medals for medals API spam is per-game and I'm not sure how long it lasts, but I assume at least an hour. This game was constantly triggering this.

You mentioned the medal. I checked it and it seemed like it could be working. I tested it and it worked. I asked for others to test it but no one did, so I kept it. You wanted me to remove it because it didn't work for you since it may be broken? Fair, but one user isn't enough to do that. I needed more confirmation.

But there were literally comments in the review of the game itself stating exactly this. Sure, those people did not reply in the broken medals thread, but most people don't. Also like I said it can probably be assumed the vast majority of people who have all the other medals *except* that final medal in that game most likely earned it since they went all that way and put up with the game that long plus the final boss not being very difficult.

A user tried but didn't unlock it. Another user tried after that and he unlocked it (no hacks used). Assuming the game wasn't updated, that medal works (even if not 100%). So, the first user either failed to do the exact requirements or he faced some kind of a problem. The problem could be from the game itself, but that medal still works, not 100% broken.

There are unfair medals though. There is at least one game that has username-based medals. Is this fair? It will 100% of the time unlock if your username is certain things but 0% of the time unlock if it is anything else. Name That Bill --- if your username has Bill or Billy in it you get a medal and if it has Clock in it you get a medal, else no medal for you. This is the way you unlock two of the medals in that game. I mean those aren't broken medals in the sense they are doing exactly what they intend, but should that be allowed?

lol.. All jokes aside, I don't hate you or hold a grudge against you @NeonSpider. We just got off on the wrong foot. I'm still willing to help you whenever I can.
That's just who I am.

Well I don't mean to offend. I just want things to be fair. It might seem like I was calling you out specifically, but I do that with everybody. I try to hold everyone to the same standards, myself included. I'm not perfect but I do have high standards. I try to be as thorough as I can. And I'll often catch things other people won't.

And if I have workarounds or fixes for things I will share what I know. And when people ask questions I try to be helpful.

Hence if I remember having to use some workarounds to obtain some medal, then I will be happy to share.

At 5/18/17 06:22 AM, NeonSpider wrote:

At 5/17/17 09:25 AM, Shantom wrote: You mentioned the medal. I checked it and it seemed like it could be working. I tested it and it worked. I asked for others to test it but no one did, so I kept it. You wanted me to remove it because it didn't work for you since it may be broken? Fair, but one user isn't enough to do that. I needed more confirmation.

But there were literally comments in the review of the game itself stating exactly this. Sure, those people did not reply in the broken medals thread, but most people don't. Also like I said it can probably be assumed the vast majority of people who have all the other medals *except* that final medal in that game most likely earned it since they went all that way and put up with the game that long plus the final boss not being very difficult.

^^; I was talking about the 10k Bird Hop medal.. sorry for the confusion.

As for the circus medal, it required clicking on the tent which may have not occurred to everyone.
The game has a problem to begin with.

There is at least one game that has username-based medals. Is this fair?

Lol I remember these medals. We kinda discussed them and thought that they were meant as a joke, so why would we interfere? :P
Both medals are worth 5, and non of these users are competing in the rankings. If, one day, Billy-clock collected all medals and you are 10 points off, we'll talk about it XD

Well I don't mean to offend. I just want things to be fair. It might seem like I was calling you out specifically, but I do that with everybody. I try to hold everyone to the same standards, myself included. I'm not perfect but I do have high standards. I try to be as thorough as I can. And I'll often catch things other people won't.

No worries ^^
I'm trying to be fair with everyone as well (there's nothing against you).
Also, thanks for helping out! :3

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  Orange Revenge

  by jorn888

  You save the little tomatoes by solving clever math puzzles.

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The medal "first_trap_pig" for 10 points doesn't work. While playing through the game it is necessary to trap a pig multiple times. WojtekR and I have finished the game and none of us unlocked it.

At 5/18/17 06:10 PM, Syrreal wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/692571
The medal "first_trap_pig" for 10 points doesn't work. While playing through the game it is necessary to trap a pig multiple times. WojtekR and I have finished the game and none of us unlocked it.

Oh, I forgot to mention something. When you play the last level of a world and finish it, do not continue. Just go back to the stage select / menu. Otherwise it will crash. Furthermore the game doesn't save. The pigs can be found in the second and third world.

At 5/18/17 06:10 PM, Syrreal wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/692571
The medal "first_trap_pig" for 10 points doesn't work.

These kind of medals should be removed automatically in 2 weeks or so. If it doesn't, I'll remove it next week.

I know what the problem with Weedman is but I don't know how to work around it. The problem is for some reason it's not recording my completion times. If you'll look at my scores in that game you'll see there are no recorded completion times. Only the least deaths record for me.

So I was able to get three more medals (all three difficult medals dealing with number of deaths)

The three medals I can't get (despite having met the requirements and rightly earned them many times) are Beat Weedman, Beat Weedman SO SLOW, and Beat Weedman SO HIGH.

Also I notice my saved replays just have a blank image and if I replay it just says I've completed the game in null time (although the actual time is displayed in the replay name). There are other people that get the blank image saved replays too and I'll assume they're being hit by the same problem. (Also I can't replay my replays beyond the time just after having earned it. They load but never start and if I right-click Play or right-click Forward that just starts me up a new game rather than playing the replay as-it-was)

The normal saved replays have a picture of that guy's face as the image, with the top part variously corrupted (corruption differs per replay)

It could be this game has some hard-coded behavior which is specific to Windows or something in regards to how it calculates time or saves replays or something. Regardless it has something very badly-coded in it and it's not going to work for everyone.

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  Insane Snowboarding

  by eivigames

  Go down the mountain as fast as you can while dodging the obstacles!

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None of the medals work.

At 5/30/17 08:25 AM, NeonSpider wrote: Weedman

This game sucks! Though the medals are working I guess...
Maybe we should remove some of them?

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/654816
None of the medals work.

I just unlocked all medals :x
Can anyone else confirm?

At 6/12/17 11:20 AM, Shantom wrote: I just unlocked all medals :x
Can anyone else confirm?

I've unlocked the first couple so far.

Hello everybody!

There is one issue I wanted to ask about, hoping to get some feedback. Can anybody unlock any medal in this game?

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  Waterwords

  by Tinnus

  Waterwords, a relaxing and sometimes fast paced (also, paradoxical) typing game.

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  Moovlin PC

  by Psychofig

  Moovlin PC is my first real flash game, it's a platformer, I hope you like it!

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"Suicidal" medal is definitely broken. (only 5pt but broken is broken right)

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  Lastman

  by PiGPEN

  You have one life to beat one level... that seems fair enough.

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  261,869 Views

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Everything is broken, the death medal can't be get and probably the others cannot too (check the last unlocks, it's 5 years now)

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  Enigmata: Genu's Revenge

  by Kidgamez

  The Enigmata galaxy is in peril, you and Neko are the only ones who can solve the crisis!

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Game won't load in NG in any way and so every medal is broken (i have all but 1)

At 7/30/17 09:28 AM, SuperSapito wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/541696
"Suicidal" medal is definitely broken. (only 5pt but broken is broken right)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/502144
Everything is broken, the death medal can't be get and probably the others cannot too (check the last unlocks, it's 5 years now)
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/531743
Game won't load in NG in any way and so every medal is broken (i have all but 1)

Enigmata is working fine, I just checked it on Chrome and Firefox. Even one user unlocked the first medal yesterday.

As for the Lastman: did you beat the whole game? The death medal is certainly not working, at least for me too, thanks for information. I'll try to get in touch with the author.

At 7/30/17 10:08 AM, HerbieG wrote:
Enigmata is working fine, I just checked it on Chrome and Firefox. Even one user unlocked the first medal yesterday.

As for the Lastman: did you beat the whole game? The death medal is certainly not working, at least for me too, thanks for information. I'll try to get in touch with the author.

My bad. I didn't explain it properly.

The issue with *Enigmata - Genu's Revenge* is not failure to load properly but rather the faiture to load the first shop, which follows the first boss (Eterna) defeat. This prevents further advance - Its also impossible to load games from Kongregate via text save.

As the bug occurs AFTER the first boss battle, the first medal - which is awarded for defeating the first boss - is alright. The rest of them, if you check, were last obtained last year.

There's this game that has a medal which cannot be unlocked:

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  Wonder Soup

  by radconrad

  Solve delicious puzzles in soup making fun with Wonder Soup!

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"Wonder Soup App", I watched the video walkthrough and after beating the last level there's a button in the ending screen which I assume that, when clicked, unlocked the medal. But it's not in the game anymore.

At 8/2/17 11:20 AM, Optimos wrote: There's this game that has a medal which cannot be unlocked:

Thanks :o

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  The attack of Dr.Evil

  by PhasedEvolution

  Power must not reach 0!

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"Impossible" medal doesn't work. I have a total sum of 104k and it should already unlock at 100k. While playing yesterday it always send me a dialog of an unlocked medal (multiple times even after unlocking the first medal). This is missing today, even for reaching the necessary amount of the "Not Bad" medal. Can someone else test if anything unlocks in this game or if it is just completely broken?

At 8/9/17 11:36 AM, PhantasyReal wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/697238
"Impossible" medal doesn't work. I have a total sum of 104k and it should already unlock at 100k. While playing yesterday it always send me a dialog of an unlocked medal (multiple times even after unlocking the first medal). This is missing today, even for reaching the necessary amount of the "Not Bad" medal. Can someone else test if anything unlocks in this game or if it is just completely broken?

I got a theory about this, there are some games with such an idiotic setting on NG and this may be the case.
Could you try and grind your today's score up to 100K? Because it is possible that the game is reading the today's score instead of the all-time score to unlock the medal. I will tag @Optimos here since it looks like he is also grinding this medal now. If he will also fail to do it with all-time score I'll PM the author.

At 8/9/17 12:11 PM, HerbieG wrote: Could you try and grind your today's score up to 100K?

Only when I know if the Not Bad medal still works because the message for unlocking it is still missing.

At 8/9/17 12:30 PM, PhantasyReal wrote:

At 8/9/17 12:11 PM, HerbieG wrote: Could you try and grind your today's score up to 100K?

Only when I know if the Not Bad medal still works because the message for unlocking it is still missing.

Ok, hold on, I PMed the author anyway, he is checking it right now.

At 8/9/17 12:11 PM, HerbieG wrote: I got a theory about this, there are some games with such an idiotic setting on NG and this may be the case.
Could you try and grind your today's score up to 100K? Because it is possible that the game is reading the today's score instead of the all-time score to unlock the medal. I will tag @Optimos here since it looks like he is also grinding this medal now. If he will also fail to do it with all-time score I'll PM the author.

I'm seeing that fuckoffasshole unlocked it, but I'm also seeing that he reached the 100k mark ONLY today. So you must be right, the medal is unlocked by getting the 100k score as today's score instead of all-time score. I was trying to get that medal too but since this is happening, I guess I'll wait until the author fixes it.

At 8/9/17 12:59 PM, Optimos wrote: I'm seeing that fuckoffasshole unlocked it, but I'm also seeing that he reached the 100k mark ONLY today. So you must be right, the medal is unlocked by getting the 100k score as today's score instead of all-time score. I was trying to get that medal too but since this is happening, I guess I'll wait until the author fixes it.

There are 4 hours between the unlocks. This means he wasn't playing the game and used an automatization for restarting. You get around 400 points per minute (maybe a bit more) without moving, 100k : 400 : 60 = 4.1 hours. Playing the game will take around 2 to 2 1/2 hours to reach 100k. Furthermore he commented below that the game is not '..not really worth my time.' I don't think we should use confirmed cheaters as a proof that a medal works in a specific way. This caused confusion with Alexil and it will also cause confusion with him.

At 8/9/17 01:26 PM, PhantasyReal wrote: There are 4 hours between the unlocks. This means he wasn't playing the game and used an automatization for restarting. You get a bit more than 400 points per minute without moving, 100k : 400 : 60 = 4.1 hours. Furthermore he commented below that the game is not '..not really worth my time.' I don't think we should use confirmed cheaters as a proof that a medal works in a specific way. This caused confusion with Alexil and it will also cause confusion with him.

Well, if the medal is unlocked with today's score it doesn't matter if you use an automatization or not. That's another topic. And since he got all the 100k points today (in 3-4 hours as you've said) and got the medal, and you did it in different days and didn't unlock it, it most likely is because the author set up the requirement as today score only.
Anyway, let's wait until the author informs HerbieG about changing it or something.

At 8/9/17 01:57 PM, Optimos wrote: Well, if the medal is unlocked with today's score it doesn't matter if you use an automatization or not.

If it was unlocked with today's score and not just by a cheat engine after it didn't work. Those kind of people tend to use an illegitimate way to unlock respective achievements when they just think they deserve them because they got the necessary objective. No matter if no one else can unlock it fair. And the automatization is already a good indication that something is fishy.

At 8/9/17 02:06 PM, PhantasyReal wrote: If it was unlocked with today's score and not just by a cheat engine after it didn't work. Those kind of people tend to use an illegitimate way to unlock respective achievements when they just think they deserve them because they got the necessary objective. No matter if no one else can unlock it fair. And the automatization is already a good indication that something is fishy.

If that was the case then he could have ALL the existing medals on Newgrounds. Also if the medal was broken he wouldn't have been able to unlock it, no matter what he did with that cheat engine.

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  Gravitee Wars

  by funkypear

  Battle for control of the galaxy in the gravity based artillery game!

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Won't go past the Funky Pear logo screen. Both mute buttons at corner work as do the link to the Funky Pear site, but it's just stuck there. So, every medal is broken