At 3/4/11 08:14 PM, Canadian-Jeff wrote:

At 3/4/11 12:17 PM, DiMono wrote: So, I'm uh... I'm done.

Congrats.
How long did it take you?

A few hours to get all the medals, then another 2 or so to get the last character and get an actually good run through the game for a nice high score. A couple times it came up with no picture and "undefined" as the hint though. So there's a bug.

At 3/4/11 11:35 PM, DiMono wrote:

At 3/4/11 11:26 PM, Fooliolo wrote: ... and most recently, Go0gley's Line Runner 2 (NG API abuse).

I still don't get how it abuses the API. Could someone elaborate on this for me?

Each custom user level has its own highscore table. That is pretty hardcore imo.

Also, I may be in error here, but isn't there a medal for having someone else play a level you created? That's a feature of the API I haven't seen anywhere else.

I'm fairly certain that some medals lost points, because I've been 40 points behind what my spreadsheet says I should have all day, and my most recently gained medals can't add up to 40. Anyone else getting something similar, or am I crazy again? :P

At 3/4/11 11:39 PM, Fooliolo wrote: Also, I may be in error here, but isn't there a medal for having someone else play a level you created? That's a feature of the API I haven't seen anywhere else.

I don't think there is one, and I hope there wouldn't be one, since it would almost impossible to obtain.
Example: you create a level in Time Fcuk, aiming for the medal. How high (low) is the chance that somebody will pick your level out of all the others?

At 3/5/11 05:48 AM, LiquidOoze wrote: I don't think there is one, and I hope there wouldn't be one, since it would almost impossible to obtain.
Example: you create a level in Time Fcuk, aiming for the medal. How high (low) is the chance that somebody will pick your level out of all the others?

I'm sure most people will simply resort to creating a new account and playing their own map with it. Which makes the medal pretty stupid.

At 3/4/11 11:52 AM, Fooliolo wrote: Last call, who of you all is NOT okay with me doing this?? Anyone??

If no one says otherwise, I'll dedicate the day to trying to get "Ultimate Warlord".

I wasn't around. But if that's you messing with system files to achieve a 100 point broken medal, not only you should be more clear as also I disapprove. You need all races. Not all races are available. Therefore it is impossible. You cannot achieve impossible medals. It's that simple.

At 3/4/11 11:13 PM, Canadian-Jeff wrote: I'm wondering, what's the "average" medal score for other games? i.e. What's a good medal count, or a good medal score?

I don't see things that way. Rate the medals according to how difficult it is to achieve them, ignoring the final amount of points.
Very easy - 5 points. Easy - 10 points. Medium - 25 points. Hard - 50 points. Very hard - 100 points

It's not about how many points your submission rewards, it's about rating medals according to how hard it is to get them. I disagree with authors giving their submissions round point amounts like 500 just for the number. What does it matter anyway, it's not like anybody cares about creating a good system and some rules.

At 3/5/11 06:33 AM, queenofbabes wrote:

At 3/5/11 05:48 AM, LiquidOoze wrote: I don't think there is one, and I hope there wouldn't be one, since it would almost impossible to obtain.
Example: you create a level in Time Fcuk, aiming for the medal. How high (low) is the chance that somebody will pick your level out of all the others?

I'm sure most people will simply resort to creating a new account and playing their own map with it. Which makes the medal pretty stupid.

Or you could just send a message to someone you're friends with and say "hey, play this level I made so I can get a medal." But yeah, it's really stupid to get a medal for someone else doing something.

Also, I was a little disappointed when I got the 100% Clearance medal in Bomboozle 2 but not the 30 bombs one. Turns out if you start by removing the bottom 3 rows, those bombs only count as 1 in the chain. So hard to get 30 bombs on the board at once... though I got the 3,000 Blobs medal while I was trying for it, so it's not all that bad. 200 more points than I started with.

At 3/4/11 11:39 PM, Fooliolo wrote:

At 3/4/11 11:35 PM, DiMono wrote:

At 3/4/11 11:26 PM, Fooliolo wrote: ... and most recently, Go0gley's Line Runner 2 (NG API abuse).

I still don't get how it abuses the API. Could someone elaborate on this for me?

Each custom user level has its own highscore table. That is pretty hardcore imo.

Also, I may be in error here, but isn't there a medal for having someone else play a level you created? That's a feature of the API I haven't seen anywhere else.

So according to the artist's medals page there's a 50 point medal for "Have your level recovered in the designer" whatever that means. Any ideas?

At 3/5/11 09:54 AM, DiMono wrote: So according to the artist's medals page there's a 50 point medal for "Have your level recovered in the designer" whatever that means. Any ideas?

If I am not mistaken, you must start creating a level in the designer, then close the game without saving, and open the designer again. Your level should still be there, together with the medal.
Not sure if this is correct, I don't have the medal.

Hehe, was about to post the same thing with an even worse description. Yes, that's basically it, just make sure you don't get the want to save message, just close the game. I do have that medal and I'm 99% sure this was the way I got it.

At 3/5/11 09:42 AM, Phenom9 wrote:

At 3/4/11 11:52 AM, Fooliolo wrote: Last call, who of you all is NOT okay with me doing this?? Anyone??

If no one says otherwise, I'll dedicate the day to trying to get "Ultimate Warlord".

I wasn't around. But if that's you messing with system files to achieve a 100 point broken medal, not only you should be more clear as also I disapprove. You need all races. Not all races are available. Therefore it is impossible. You cannot achieve impossible medals. It's that simple.

All races are available on Armorgames. I am still putting the full amount of effort required to get the medal. And that's me swapping a single .sol file, not editing them.

Are we clear? Or do you still disapprove?

At 3/5/11 12:19 PM, Fooliolo wrote: All races are available on Armorgames. I am still putting the full amount of effort required to get the medal. And that's me swapping a single .sol file, not editing them.

Will that even work? I think the armorgames and the newgrounds version of the game were compiled separately. I don't think copying the save file over would let you play as the unavailable race on newgrounds, since they are not actually in the swf...

Also, I finally beat World Revolution RPG. Contemplating if I want to grind to level 30 or if I want to play a previous save and try and get those other two storylines...

At 3/5/11 10:19 AM, LiquidOoze wrote:

At 3/5/11 09:54 AM, DiMono wrote: So according to the artist's medals page there's a 50 point medal for "Have your level recovered in the designer" whatever that means. Any ideas?

If I am not mistaken, you must start creating a level in the designer, then close the game without saving, and open the designer again. Your level should still be there, together with the medal.
Not sure if this is correct, I don't have the medal.

Yep, that's it alright. I started a level, then closed the game with the Newgrounds X and reopened it, and went back into the designer, and now I have the medal. Kind of a weird one.

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Will that even work? I think the armorgames and the newgrounds version of the game were compiled separately. I don't think copying the save file over would let you play as the unavailable race on newgrounds, since they are not actually in the swf...

It worked. He showed a screenshot pages ago.

At 3/5/11 12:19 PM, Fooliolo wrote: All races are available on Armorgames. I am still putting the full amount of effort required to get the medal. And that's me swapping a single .sol file, not editing them.

Are we clear? Or do you still disapprove?

I still don't like the idea. Medals should be earned the good old normal way by playing on Newgrounds. Not by playing in some other website and then swapping files hidden deep somewhere. If this is considered acceptable, than I'm also going to do some stuff of my own following similar logics.

At 3/5/11 12:27 AM, Bobogoobo wrote: I'm fairly certain that some medals lost points, because I've been 40 points behind what my spreadsheet says I should have all day, and my most recently gained medals can't add up to 40. Anyone else getting something similar, or am I crazy again? :P

I'm getting it too. Since it is confirmed by you, I will do a reinventory of the NG medals soon.

At 3/5/11 01:29 PM, Phenom9 wrote:

At 3/5/11 12:19 PM, Fooliolo wrote: All races are available on Armorgames. I am still putting the full amount of effort required to get the medal. And that's me swapping a single .sol file, not editing them.

Are we clear? Or do you still disapprove?

I still don't like the idea. Medals should be earned the good old normal way by playing on Newgrounds. Not by playing in some other website and then swapping files hidden deep somewhere. If this is considered acceptable, than I'm also going to do some stuff of my own following similar logics.

I encourage thinking outside of the box, just like how Fishbane does, and how you guys say right-click menu is fair game. And the more hardcore medal enthusiasts would most likely agree that it is safe to back up your .sol file on certain games that don't resend medals, just in case something somewhere farts and you don't get the medal after 8+ hours of work.

That said, since you disapprove, I won't be getting the medal "Ultimate Warlord" =( At least, not until other people start doing it.

However, I'm still interested in seeing my proof of concept and hypotheses come to fruition, so I'll be doing the final moments of this endeavor logged off, or on an alternate account.

At 3/5/11 12:27 AM, Bobogoobo wrote: I'm fairly certain that some medals lost points, because I've been 40 points behind what my spreadsheet says I should have all day, and my most recently gained medals can't add up to 40. Anyone else getting something similar, or am I crazy again? :P

It might have something to do with this game:

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It had working medals before but I don't know when the medals got deleted, all I know is that the game had 40 pts before they were working.

At 3/5/11 01:29 PM, Phenom9 wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/56 4029

At 3/5/11 12:35 PM, waynerz99 wrote: Will that even work? I think the armorgames and the newgrounds version of the game were compiled separately. I don't think copying the save file over would let you play as the unavailable race on newgrounds, since they are not actually in the swf...

It worked. He showed a screenshot pages ago.

At 3/5/11 12:19 PM, Fooliolo wrote: All races are available on Armorgames. I am still putting the full amount of effort required to get the medal. And that's me swapping a single .sol file, not editing them.

Are we clear? Or do you still disapprove?

I still don't like the idea. Medals should be earned the good old normal way by playing on Newgrounds. Not by playing in some other website and then swapping files hidden deep somewhere. If this is considered acceptable, than I'm also going to do some stuff of my own following similar logics.

But speaking of which-- how the fuck would I go about adding medals to my troll vide-- UH I mean flash submission like that? I've got a lotta troll medals at the moment-- I thought they had to be approved or ssssssssssssssssssssssome shit?

I'm a huge medal noob. I wanna play too.

At 3/5/11 06:08 PM, Tycrane wrote: It might have something to do with this game:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/50 5872
It had working medals before but I don't know when the medals got deleted, all I know is that the game had 40 pts before they were working.

Confirmed. Game used to have 40 points, now they're all worth nada.

At 3/5/11 12:19 PM, Fooliolo wrote: All races are available on Armorgames. I am still putting the full amount of effort required to get the medal. And that's me swapping a single .sol file, not editing them.

I think that's the key here. I, for one, am all for it, and I believe it would actually work, since you've already shown that the NG version can load the Armorgames .sol

There are no shenanigans going on here. Just look at it as an extra step we need to take since the author refuses to fix the medal.

At 3/6/11 01:09 AM, queenofbabes wrote:

At 3/5/11 12:19 PM, Fooliolo wrote: All races are available on Armorgames. I am still putting the full amount of effort required to get the medal. And that's me swapping a single .sol file, not editing them.

I think that's the key here. I, for one, am all for it, and I believe it would actually work, since you've already shown that the NG version can load the Armorgames .sol

There are no shenanigans going on here. Just look at it as an extra step we need to take since the author refuses to fix the medal.

Fine, do whatever you want. Since this medal is out of Fooliolo's broken medals list, you can remove Theia and Reemus as well since all you have to do is to downgrade your flash player...

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At 3/6/11 06:01 AM, Phenom9 wrote: Fine, do whatever you want. Since this medal is out of Fooliolo's broken medals list, you can remove Theia and Reemus as well since all you have to do is to downgrade your flash player...

Interesting point. Is there a relatively fuss-free way to 'downgrade' your flash player?

EDIT: From preliminary googling, downgrading flash player doesn't seem too difficult. Those who do want the medals could give it a go.

P.S. Lack of edit button is such a pain sometimes.

At 3/6/11 09:17 AM, queenofbabes wrote: EDIT: From preliminary googling, downgrading flash player doesn't seem too difficult. Those who do want the medals could give it a go.

Really, is it possible to get your Flash Player to a lower level? Well, I still need to get a 100-pointer at Theia so I might give it a go.

Also, @Fooliolio, I really think you should try the .sol-swapping. If it works, it might be a great pleasure for people saying 'I completed that game on another site so I don't have the medals but I deserve them bwah bwah whine whine'.

At 3/6/11 10:16 AM, LiquidOoze wrote: Really, is it possible to get your Flash Player to a lower level? Well, I still need to get a 100-pointer at Theia so I might give it a go.

Also, @Fooliolio, I really think you should try the .sol-swapping. If it works, it might be a great pleasure for people saying 'I completed that game on another site so I don't have the medals but I deserve them bwah bwah whine whine'.

For the .sol swap to work, I assume the .swf code from both sites has to read and use the .sol file with the same variable names and types. Unpredictable things could happen, resulting in either the .swf not recognizing the file and making a new one (rewriting it), or it could spam you with NaNs (Not a Number), or it could crash, among lots of other things. I have no idea how AS reads data files though, so most of what I said could be BS. But in general, code that isn't meant to handle errors will either throw an exception and terminate or crash.

Obviously the best way to find out if the swap works is to back up your original file to be overwritten, then try it.

We lucked out on Warlords 2 for now because in Armorgames, the version there is 1.1.0, while the NG version is 1.1.2, presumably because it has codes for the NG API. Also, since I got the impression that Mr. Grumpyface was too lazy to actually fix the medal, I figured he would be too lazy to actually change the .swf significantly to the point that the unplayable races were unplayable because the UI stuff for them being non-existent, and not because of a simple cockblock "Play on Armorgames" message.

Currently, I've finished 6 out of 10 races. I got my feet wet at first by playing as the Human Alliance, then I went ahead and finished the game as The Demons. I got the idea of the .sol swap at this point, did some tests, unlocked the secret race by playing Men from the West by using the NG file for Armorgames version. Finished the Undead race. Started the Mountain Trolls, then transfered the Armorgames file to NG, then finished with them with no mishaps. Blah blah blah.

(sorry if that was tedious reading, but I like to detail my "research")

Oh, and whoever has that Warlords 2 guide on their userpage, I got my castles attacked twice in Normal mode. Dem Giant Trolls are really unfair x_X

At 3/6/11 06:01 AM, Phenom9 wrote:

At 3/6/11 01:09 AM, queenofbabes wrote:

At 3/5/11 12:19 PM, Fooliolo wrote: All races are available on Armorgames. I am still putting the full amount of effort required to get the medal. And that's me swapping a single .sol file, not editing them.

I think that's the key here. I, for one, am all for it, and I believe it would actually work, since you've already shown that the NG version can load the Armorgames .sol

There are no shenanigans going on here. Just look at it as an extra step we need to take since the author refuses to fix the medal.

Fine, do whatever you want. Since this medal is out of Fooliolo's broken medals list, you can remove Theia and Reemus as well since all you have to do is to downgrade your flash player...

They have broken medals? I have all of them and I didn't have to do any acrobatics to get them at all. Though I did get them back when the games were first released.

At 3/6/11 01:19 PM, DiMono wrote: They have broken medals? I have all of them and I didn't have to do any acrobatics to get them at all. Though I did get them back when the games were first released.

They don't have broken medals, but there some sort of bug saying that you need to upgrade your Flash Player in order to play the game.

At 3/6/11 01:25 PM, LiquidOoze wrote:

At 3/6/11 01:19 PM, DiMono wrote: They have broken medals? I have all of them and I didn't have to do any acrobatics to get them at all. Though I did get them back when the games were first released.

They don't have broken medals, but there some sort of bug saying that you need to upgrade your Flash Player in order to play the game.

I just loaded up Theia and pointed it out to the developer, so hopefully he'll read that and act upon it. I don't feel like playing Reemus again to find out where it crashes, but if someone else does, send that developer a message about it and maybe he'll fix it too.

At 3/6/11 07:23 AM, Knuckstrike wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/56 4038
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When will these guys stop dumping retarded flashes on NG? Hell, (s)he is even worse than Blangaboy!