At 6/22/09 12:43 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 6/21/09 11:38 PM, chris-marks wrote:
By posting it there is an intrinsic understanding that it is your own original content unless you specify otherwise. That means you absolutely did say it was your own by your omission of crediting other sources.

No that's not true if l watch a movie with my friends and l don't say that l didn't make it it automatically means that l explicitly say that it's mine?
Come on this argument is total crap and please DROP THE FUCKING SUBJECT.
Enough with copyright and shit, this is a medal thread!

The difference between posting something online and showing a movie is that since everyone has access to post online, it's reasonable to believe they would post their own stuff unless they say otherwise. Since very few people make movies, it's reasonable to believe any movie you show is not yours unless you specifically say it is. Even if it weren't that way, there's that whole opening and closing credits thing to deal with, which attaches the names of those who are responsible for it to it in order to establish copyright, exactly like how the username in a post, review or news item attaches that person's name to their content, also to establish copyright.

My final word on the topic: I had an online chat with a lawyer friend of mind about this, so we could get a true conclusion that is absolutely correct. Here is our conversation in full:

Me: I'm in a conversation on newgrounds.com where someone is trying to say copyright isn't intrinsic, you have to pay for it, and there's no reasonable expectation that when you post something online in a journal environment that it's your own original content.

Him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law_
copyright

Me: That gets me to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Co pyright_law but there's too much information there for me to sift through to find the appropriate content

Him: common law copyright is copyright that attaches without registration.

Me: Alright, what about whether there's a reasonable expectation that something (such as a game walkthru) posted by you is your own original material?

Him: Well, if you wrote it, it's original material; FAQs aren't just recitations of data. It's fixed in a tangible medium (digital counts). The only kind of data that isn't copyrightable is like the phone book, where there's no actual authorship, it's just a reprint of straight data.

Me: The issue is whether I could take someone else's walkthru, add a few lines to the end, and put it up without citation but without saying explicitly that I wrote it, and be free of copyright infringement.

Him: Of course not. Infringement is based on the amount and substantiality of copying. Taking an entire work and adding a few lines would undoubtedly be copyright infringement, just like adding a page to a book and claiming it as your work would be.

Me: Even if the copied content comes from more than one source?

Him: You're likely guilty of multiple counts of infringement.

Me: And as a final yes or no, is there a reasonable expectation that if I put up content online and don't cite other sources, it is all my own original material?

Him: more or less. the internet is always vague, though. but if someone else posted your stuff, you could send a takedown notice for sure.

Me: Thank you. Cheers.

So there we have it: from a lawyer, there's basically an expectation that unless you say otherwise anything you write online is your own original content, and copying what others have written online without crediting them is copyright infringement, even if you add a little bit to the end. The prosecution rests.

As for the Extra Innings medal in Drop The Bomb, I've gotten it every time I enter the bonus round with 15 or more spins. Is it possible those who are having trouble are using a cached version of the swf and I'm using an updated one having arrived on the game late?

Also, DDD is all working for me. Only problem is I need to clear my game data in order to know whether I should be getting the Master Tactician medal. It would be really nice if the game would check for the in-game achievement at start-up and send in the medal if appropriate.

At 6/22/09 01:39 PM, KrevZabijak wrote: And yet, the asshole who uploads A VIDEO OF HIM CHEATING still has 12180 fucking points.

Wonderful system we have here, isn't it?

He did have a famous dad.

Ok, I know that I am going to get flammed for asking this because I'm sure all of my answers are on this forum already, but I havn't been on it for a couple days. And I really don't want to read the 6 or 7 pages since the release of "Drop The Bomb"

Are there any tricks to getting some of the medals. I know pretty much all of the knowledge, just the luck and patience parts that are ticking me off

Trump Card - I have finished the game twice with over 20,000. Once I hit stop after I knew I had it, so I wouldn't risk it, ended up with 21,***. The other time I actually spun til I was out of spins, ended up with 20,***. One of the times i got the 100 pointer medal, and I thought that may have gotten in the way. Like the programming wasn't smart enough to give out two medals at once.

Someone Set Us Up with the bomb - done it 4 times, no other medals won, no medal given

Fall-out shelter - I have only seen 1 question bombs, and i have played MANY TIMES all the way thru the game!

Please direct me to any help thats out there or PM me with answers.

I have found a glitch to get the 25 questions in a row medal pretty easy:
After you beat the game sometimes it will restart instantly with the last question you answered and answer it for you. It will then continue give you questions from that category for $0. just as long as you don't hit the continue that pops up after some of the questions you can go as long as you want(knowledge pending)

P.S. I F'n Hate medals now, officially, after clearing 11000, and getting Survivalist and Olympian! HATE HATE HATE. But I am a medal whore so I will continue to waste countless hours on them!

At 6/22/09 05:45 PM, chris-marks wrote: Me: Alright, what about whether there's a reasonable expectation that something (such as a game walkthru) posted by you is your own original material?

Him: Well, if you wrote it, it's original material; FAQs aren't just recitations of data. It's fixed in a tangible medium (digital counts). The only kind of data that isn't copyrightable is like the phone book, where there's no actual authorship, it's just a reprint of straight data.

Well, we have to remember that these people didn't actually write it but they copied it from Wylo (at least that's what he said) so it's not even their original "work".
And what's that tangible medium he's talking about?
I know that there is some stuff that is automatically yours...
And yeah, l would be breaking the copyright if l actually said it was mine, but l didn't do that, so, practically, we are both right here...
And one last thing: you can't have a copyright on a review that says "a good game but needs better graphics", can you?
And now, for the last time, end this thing.
Whoever responds to this is a fag.

At 6/23/09 12:32 AM, EggSaladSandwich wrote:

I have found a glitch to get the 25 questions in a row medal pretty easy:

Lol, l got all the "questions in a row" medals as soon as l opened the game, l don't know how that happened....

P.S. I F'n Hate medals now, officially, after clearing 11000, and getting Survivalist and Olympian! HATE HATE HATE. But I am a medal whore so I will continue to waste countless hours on them!

If l actually COULD get any l would say the same thing.

At 6/22/09 02:29 PM, KingExodus wrote:

:God I feel like all that hard work getting these medals is a waste =(.

Ummmm. Duh, lol.

i need a walktrought for drop the crap no not a answer/question i need a medal one

At 6/23/09 12:32 AM, EggSaladSandwich wrote:
Someone Set Us Up with the bomb - done it 4 times, no other medals won, no medal given

Same for me........is broken?

At 6/23/09 12:32 AM, EggSaladSandwich wrote:

Fall-out shelter - I have only seen 1 question bombs, and i have played MANY TIMES all the way thru the game!

As from yesterday bomb rounds have 1 question but earlier they had more (2-5). I don't know why they bugged a perfectly working medal.

After wasting my precious times, i finally get that human test subject medal, i hope there won't be any game like that, luka and his bastard idea, huh...seriously!
i can't even imagine what gonna happened when the medal system is out for public
OCD+2 medals : Wait for a century for the medal- 100 points, Argh!!!!

At 6/23/09 08:17 AM, urrad wrote:

At 6/23/09 12:32 AM, EggSaladSandwich wrote:

Fall-out shelter - I have only seen 1 question bombs, and i have played MANY TIMES all the way thru the game!

As from yesterday bomb rounds have 1 question but earlier they had more (2-5). I don't know why they bugged a perfectly working medal.

So what you're saying is that it's now impossible to get that medal? Wonderful. I'll put that next to Sperm Rider's pancake medal.

Also:

Well, we have to remember that these people didn't actually write it but they copied it from Wylo (at least that's what he said) so it's not even their original "work".

True, but that doesn't change the fact that you copied someone else's work, whether directly from them or through someone else. Just means Wylo is the one who deserves credit rather than the people you copied from, since he is the original author. Basically, it doesn't matter whether the person you copied from is the original author, what matters is that you copied from someone.

And yeah, l would be breaking the copyright if l actually said it was mine, but l didn't do that, so, practically, we are both right here...

Even if that were correct (and it's not), you do say it's yours. The site makes sure of it, so that nobody else can copy it and say it's theirs. It even includes a date and time, to stop any "no, I wrote it first!" arguments. The top of the news entry in question is this:

OCD+ walkthrough
Posted by HeavyTank Jun. 17, 2009 @ 6:42 AM EDT

That quite clearly says it's yours, unless you state otherwise. Seriously, just give credit where it's due by saying at the top of the entry that most of the guide originally came from Wylo, and move on.

And one last thing: you can't have a copyright on a review that says "a good game but needs better graphics", can you?

Nope, that doesn't meet the threshold of originality, or whatever it was called. That's why it exists, in fact: so you can't copyright something like "What's up?" Though I remember hearing somewhere that somehow Paris Hilton was able to trademark "That's hot," which is lame. I may be missing something with that though. The point is that Paris Hilton is an idiot and has no talent.

Speaking of which, if someone were to make a game where you slowly tear apart Paris Hilton's career and leave her destitute and crying, I would go out of my way to achieve any medal in it. Any medal at all.

ITT: Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Any tips for D-day defender? i've tried all wylo's tips but i still can't even survived for 50 hours
man..i just suck with that kind of game

At 6/23/09 12:39 PM, Arthuria99 wrote: Any tips for D-day defender? i've tried all wylo's tips but i still can't even survived for 50 hours
man..i just suck with that kind of game

Are you holding down the mouse button to fire, or are you clicking over and over again? If you're clicking each time you want to shoot, that will slow you down and make you more likely to perish in a huge fireball that is visible from space.

Frank: I guess it's possible he fixed the bug that allowed that exploit to work? All I know is that it worked for me when I did it.

Matt: Heh. Still awesome.

At 6/23/09 12:32 AM, EggSaladSandwich wrote: Trump Card - I have finished the game twice with over 20,000. Once I hit stop after I knew I had it, so I wouldn't risk it, ended up with 21,***. The other time I actually spun til I was out of spins, ended up with 20,***. One of the times i got the 100 pointer medal, and I thought that may have gotten in the way. Like the programming wasn't smart enough to give out two medals at once.

I thought I didn't have it, then it showed up on my account. May just take some time to process or something.

Someone Set Us Up with the bomb - done it 4 times, no other medals won, no medal given

Same, only I've only done it once. My theory is that it has to be the first 3 spins, rather than any 3 in a row.

Fall-out shelter - I have only seen 1 question bombs, and i have played MANY TIMES all the way thru the game!

Apparently this medal is now impossible. Anyone who got it when it was available benefits.

I absolutely HATE that I'm triple posting here, but I'm playing Drop The Bomb right now and it looks like the game has changed in the following ways:

Non-bomb rounds for 1 question. A couple times I've gotten [category] [1 question] [$money] and the blurb says "Both questions in this round are worth $money," and the round lasts for 1 question.

Multi-question bombs are back. I just got survived a 5 question bomb and was awarded Fallout Shelter in-game, but the medal is still missing from my account, so I guess there's a problem with the game submitting that one. I haven't gotten a 1 question bomb yet.

Extra Innings now requires 10 spins, not 15.

At 6/23/09 01:03 PM, chris-marks wrote: Are you holding down the mouse button to fire, or are you clicking over and over again? If you're :clicking each time you want to shoot, that will slow you down and make you more likely to perish in a :huge fireball that is visible from space.

I always holding up my mouse

At 6/23/09 01:33 PM, chris-marks wrote: Multi-question bombs are back. I just got survived a 5 question bomb and was awarded Fallout Shelter in-game, but the medal is still missing from my account, so I guess there's a problem with the game submitting that one. I haven't gotten a 1 question bomb yet.

It finally arrived. Must have just taken a long time to register. I also just survived 3 bomb rounds in a single game (back to back, no less) and wasn't told in-game that I'd won the medal for it, so we'll see if it shows up. Still haven't gotten bombs in my first 3 spins in the bonus round yet.

So are D-Day's medals glitched anymore?

At 6/20/09 11:40 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

At 6/19/09 06:46 PM, Wylo wrote: I scanned through every page of reviews to find the users who copied my guide. You know what I found? 2 users right after each other exactly the same that took word-for-word my guide and noone else that took even a single line. So if you took a 'small' part from each of the identical reviews that would still be 50% each.

Right, but how should l know that it was your guide since it was in 3-4 reviews?

It was in TWO reviews.

They weren't edits. They were add-ons. If out of a 35 line post, and you can claim only 6 lines of it, you can claim it wholly as your own? Its is not only un-ethical, but also illegal.

I didn't claim it as my own, EVER.
And that's what you all failed to understand...

Read the quote:
At 6/17/09 07:17 AM, HeavyTank wrote:
Did you read my walkthrough?

At 6/21/09 07:39 AM, HeavyTank wrote: Final conclusion:
Reviews do not count as something of value so the reviewers probably don't give a shit about me copying their reviews...

I'm not even going to say how wrong you are.

Btw thanks to chrismarks

At 6/23/09 12:03 AM, Frank-The-Hedgehog wrote: Yes, the OCD+ game, I did as what yu guys said, click the 208 game, and right click then forward, then right click then back x300, and as much of a pain in the arse it is to do, it didn't work... it didn't go even the least bit faster, what the hell?

Maybe the author fixed it?

At 6/23/09 12:39 PM, Arthuria99 wrote: Any tips for D-day defender? i've tried all wylo's tips but i still can't even survived for 50 hours
man..i just suck with that kind of game

Any particular element of the game troubling you?

Multi-question bombs are back. I just got survived a 5 question bomb and was awarded Fallout Shelter in-game, but the medal is still missing from my account, so I guess there's a problem with the game submitting that one. I haven't gotten a 1 question bomb yet.

great, guess I'll try to get a few more medals then. It's still pretty gay that you don't know if you'll ever get a chance to win any medals.

I didn't claim it as my own, EVER.
And that's what you all failed to understand...

Read the quote:

At 6/17/09 07:17 AM, HeavyTank wrote:

Did you read my walkthrough?

treat session

So I have max possible to get points at the minute?

At 6/23/09 03:45 PM, KingExodus wrote: So I have max possible to get points at the minute?

That's what I know
I lost track since Drop the Bomb came

At 6/23/09 04:01 PM, Pokemonpoeguygcn wrote:

At 6/23/09 03:45 PM, KingExodus wrote: So I have max possible to get points at the minute?

That's what I know
I lost track since Drop the Bomb came

*That's what I want to know

*facepalm*

At 6/23/09 07:22 PM, Fleshlight wrote: *facepalm*

HOLY SHIT!
That there is some very bad programming.
He obviously didn't test out his game/s.

At 6/23/09 08:03 AM, gdfsgdfg wrote: i need a walktrought for drop the crap no not a answer/question i need a medal one

And we really want to help out a hacker.

/sarcasm

At 6/23/09 08:03 AM, gdfsgdfg wrote: i need a walktrought for drop the crap no not a answer/question i need a medal one

Okay, I figured out what's causing Gdf's problems (this won't apply to anyone else) ...

.. There's this folder that causes the undefined questions to show up, it's called System32.

I think you know what you need to do with that folder.

PROBLEM SOLVED! <3

Time for me to catchup on some recently released games and those precious medal points!

At 6/23/09 03:45 PM, KingExodus wrote: So I have max possible to get points at the minute?

You seems to miss this medal actually ;)

Among a few others, but I suspect that they are glitched?

At 6/23/09 10:03 PM, knugen wrote:

At 6/23/09 03:45 PM, KingExodus wrote: So I have max possible to get points at the minute?

You seems to miss this medal actually ;)

Among a few others, but I suspect that they are glitched?

He has the Literate Medal though so he can't get Illiterate...Unless of course he gdfs's it!