At 3/15/09 10:31 PM, falariem wrote: any semblance of a chance of beating this without being a hardcore gaming expert.

Pshhhh. You don't need to be a crazed expert. You just need to have the patience to figure out how it works on your own. There's no walkthrough, the instructions are full of holes and yes, there ARE glitches. Think of the glitches as dead ends in a maze, and the lack of spoonfeeding as a trickier terrain.

Seriously. ALL the other games with medals have nice, clear cut instructions, two of them have extensive walkthroughs, and TTA3, while lacking a huge walkthrough, is just another grinding example.

The game is gritty and admittedly unpolished, but it is 100% playable and the medals should be achievable (the only truly buggy ones might be the maxed magic and/or 'victory,' but who knows).

At 3/16/09 01:07 AM, Wylo wrote: OMG. That's what I was missing - spamming Helldrive. That makes the game infinitely easier. It also makes the game more redeemable in my eyes.

Aye. I dunno if the authour ever intended one to spam it - it makes those jumpy fucks incredibly easy (actually it makes everyone really easy, 'cept for bosses who are sometimes/always? unaffected). Flasks to recharge it are hella cheap once you cruise through M1 on Impossible (always try and beat it, you get like a 500+ point bonus).

Ir's ALL about finding the patterns and making those glitches work for you.

At 3/16/09 01:12 AM, simon wrote:

At 3/15/09 11:30 PM, zimzap wrote: Kaz just posted how I would have responded. The game is not good and deserves to be voted down because it is buggy and incomplete.

So are his other games yet they received daily/weekly awards for his efforts. Now just because he's put medals in he's received none than he would have.

I couldn't care less what the quality of his other games are because I have never played them. Given the low quality of this version, I have no plans to subject myself to his other flawed games.

At 3/16/09 10:04 AM, zimzap wrote: I have never played them.
other flawed games.

Wait, what?

At 3/16/09 07:59 AM, Zerok wrote: Pshhhh. You don't need to be a crazed expert. You just need to have the patience to figure out how it works on your own. There's no walkthrough, the instructions are full of holes and yes, there ARE glitches. Think of the glitches as dead ends in a maze, and the lack of spoonfeeding as a trickier terrain.

Another glitch: when on Mission 6, DO NOT kill the boss on the left side of the screen, the game will freeze in a looping animation and you will have to refresh the page.

Seriously. ALL the other games with medals have nice, clear cut instructions, two of them have extensive walkthroughs, and TTA3, while lacking a huge walkthrough, is just another grinding example.

I've wrote up a little walkthrough on my blog.

Aye. I dunno if the authour ever intended one to spam it - it makes those jumpy fucks incredibly easy (actually it makes everyone really easy, 'cept for bosses who are sometimes/always? unaffected). Flasks to recharge it are hella cheap once you cruise through M1 on Impossible (always try and beat it, you get like a 500+ point bonus).

Without the HellDrive spam, I highly doubt A+ is attainable due to the time constraints involved.

Ir's ALL about finding the patterns and making those glitches work for you.

Speaking of which, Mission 6 becomes impossibly easy due to the flying glitch, if you could call it that. From starting the level, get the guy to follow you to the left, jump over him and keep him in the left corner with melee attacks. Jump up and just start attacking him in the air with D controlling your flight. You want to stay just above his neck. If done properly, he will repeatedly do his ground dash attack but stay in the corner. Do not venture too high or else he will do his wide-swoosh attack, hurting you. Another good indicator of placement is that your foot is just above the rectangle of the dash attack.

At 3/16/09 10:20 AM, Zerok wrote:

At 3/16/09 10:04 AM, zimzap wrote: I have never played them.
other flawed games.

Wait, what?

Simon was implying that FU2 should not be ridiculed just because it has medals whereas the author's other games are of the same quality but have much higher scores. My rebuttal is that I have never played any of the author's other games.

I think that you thought I was talking about Portal Defenders and TTA3 in referring to "other flawed games", which I was not. I LOVE both of those games.

At 3/16/09 12:22 PM, zimzap wrote: I think that you thought I was talking about Portal Defenders and TTA3 in referring to "other flawed games",

I was confused as to how you came to the conclusion that the author had other flawed games when you had admitted that you had never played them.

At 3/16/09 01:12 AM, simon wrote: Now just because he's put medals in he's received none than he would have.

He's probably preparing a fixed version of the game aswell, if I was him I wouldn't bother uploading it now.

Yes. That's EXACTLY the problem. He has no right to make a game this buggy and put medals into it. When buggy games don't affect our fun little competition, they can easily be ignored. But because this makes it so we either HAVE to play it for the fun competition or just stop the competition completely, it deserves far less praise to the more inconsequential games.

And he should've had a fixed version of the game as his ONLY version of the game. God, why are you defending this creep? He makes a half-finished game and fucks up the medal system and you're treating it like I'm blaspheming for saying he shouldn't do that.

At 3/16/09 01:16 PM, Kamikazetomato wrote: Yes. That's EXACTLY the problem. He has no right to make a game this buggy and put medals into it. When buggy games don't affect our fun little competition, they can easily be ignored. But because this makes it so we either HAVE to play it for the fun competition

Wow, so the medals FORCE you to play those games? I think you completely misunderstood the purpos of the whole medal system.

Also, it's not up to you to decide who has the "right" to put medals into his/her game and who doesn't.

At 3/16/09 01:16 PM, Kamikazetomato wrote: And he should've had a fixed version of the game as his ONLY version of the game. God, why are you defending this creep? He makes a half-finished game and fucks up the medal system and you're treating it like I'm blaspheming for saying he shouldn't do that.

I'm defending it because this isn't going to be the first time it's going to happen and you guys are getting in hysterics over it. Just wait until there's hundreds if not thousands of medal games out there. There will be crap loads of buggy pieces of shit that is impossible to get medals on, and I'll be here waiting for everyone to be all like "OMFG I CANT GET THIS SHIT WTF SLITS" - it's one game out of four, get over it. You still have Thing Thing 3 (which still has a medal or two bugged), Portal Defenders (which works perfectly - this is the medal showcase flash) and Alkie Kong 2 which also works perfectly.

It's just not worth it man, this guy worked hard on this flash, if PsychoGoldfish came up to me and asked if I wanted to put medals in my game I sure as hell wouldn't disagree, even if it was still in BETA form. I've seen more bugged up games on Kongregate.

At 3/16/09 01:54 PM, simon wrote: I'm defending it because this isn't going to be the first time it's going to happen and you guys are getting in hysterics over it. Just wait until there's hundreds if not thousands of medal games out there. There will be crap loads of buggy pieces of shit that is impossible to get medals on, and I'll be here waiting for everyone to be all like "OMFG I CANT GET THIS SHIT WTF SLITS" - it's one game out of four, get over it.

I have to agree that after some time, there are probably gonna be a lot more games like FEAR that have medals. Probably gonna result in a lot of frustration, but there´s gonna be plenty of other games to get medal points on. So just leave it and move on. And once you are finally aware of all the flaws, FEAR is not too bad when it comes to diffeculty. But still, I think they could´ve picked a better game to attach medals to in this early stadium.

On a side note: Does anyone have any tips on how to get the M1 A+ rank? I had an A+ on time and skill, but B on kills as there just aren´t any more enemies to kill on mortal diffeculity. So then I tried slayer diffeculty, but it turns out that a lot more new enemies suddenly show up and it takes a lot more time to kill them. Which of course lowers my time rank... =/

Also, is there a rank beyond A+ at the final ratings? Like can you get Bloodthirsty rank on skill or something? Cause that might solve my above mentioned problem.

At 3/16/09 01:52 PM, BrokenJem wrote: Can mature games have medals?

Cause I found a mature game that should have medals.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/48 7284

I've already 0'd that just because you've posted that 3 times today.

At 3/16/09 12:44 PM, Zerok wrote:

At 3/16/09 12:22 PM, zimzap wrote: I think that you thought I was talking about Portal Defenders and TTA3 in referring to "other flawed games",

I was confused as to how you came to the conclusion that the author had other flawed games when you had admitted that you had never played them.

I came to the conclusion because simon said that his other games were buggy/incomplete but also received high ratings. His argument was that despite being buggy/incomplete, all of his games deserve high ratings. My refutation was that I am not going to play the other games to find out what rating they deserve, nor do I care what rating the other games receive because I will never play them nor do I care about them.

In general, I could not careless about the difficulty of games (Portal Defenders is fairly difficult), but buggy/incomplete games should not receive medals. Only the best and most polished ones should receive this honor.

At 3/16/09 02:22 PM, Auz wrote: On a side note: Does anyone have any tips on how to get the M1 A+ rank?

I recieved an A+ on Stage 1 when playing on impossible and using the "HellDrive spam" to quickly get rid of the harder enemies.

I didn't mean it's MANDATORY to get medals, what I'm saying that when shitty games get them it waters down the value. The points you earn become meaningless as some sap can go through the motions in another game and earn more than you if you're not in the mood to be bored for hours.

The medal points, if done correctly, are a great way to foster friendly sport between members. But letting crappy games have them ruins this. And what I'm saying is that hundreds of more games should NOT be allowed medals. The higher-ups should nip it in the bud right now.

This isn't Kongregate, this is Newgrounds. The first flash portal. A shining city on a hill, if you would. I think we gotta have a system that makes sure that only good games get medals, "good" being judged by score or by panel.

What I do NOT see is a reason why any old game should have the right to make medals. What if I just made a game called "Press space bar for thirty minutes" and it gave out six 100-point medals? It would have a title that was too long, that's what. Oh, and also it would completely water down the system.

Defending FU is defending the idea that shitty, unfinished games should have the same standing as quality, functioning games. They don't.

At 3/16/09 03:04 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 3/16/09 02:22 PM, Auz wrote: On a side note: Does anyone have any tips on how to get the M1 A+ rank?

I recieved an A+ on Stage 1 when playing on impossible and using the "HellDrive spam" to quickly get rid of the harder enemies.

Lol, that is so very cheap but it worked perfectly. Thanks for the tip, I got my medal :)

Oh, and Hybrid level was enough to get A+ on kills.

At 3/16/09 03:19 PM, Kamikazetomato wrote: Defending FU is defending the idea that shitty, unfinished games should have the same standing as quality, functioning games. They don't.

FU is only shitty in your opinion. I agree with you that it is unfinished and has a lot of bugs and glitches, yet I enjoy wasting time with it (or else I would not bother with it anymore and just leave it alone).
Maybe you should give the game another chance. I gave it a 6//10 in my review. But after playing it a while longer I think it deserves at least a 7/10.

Also, there will come more and more games with medals, some of them you will like, other you will say are "shitty". Yet a different person may think just the other way round.

Don't interpret too much into the medal system, they are there just for fun. The "friendly sport" you talk about is what you make out of it.
I think of the medal system just as a way to get me attracted to games I would not play otherwise. Now I get a "reward" for playing it and for this reward I am willing to spend more time with a game than I would usually do, even though the first impression I have may be bad.
Earlier in this topic I said I would not get many medals for FU, but now I already have 8, and I think I will get one or two more. ;)

At 3/16/09 02:22 PM, Auz wrote: On a side note: Does anyone have any tips on how to get the M1 A+ rank? I had an A+ on time and skill, but B on kills as there just aren´t any more enemies to kill on mortal diffeculity. So then I tried slayer diffeculty, but it turns out that a lot more new enemies suddenly show up and it takes a lot more time to kill them. Which of course lowers my time rank... =/

I did mine on hybrid difficulty, I'd just f spam the crap out of those green things, which works wonders.

Also, is there a rank beyond A+ at the final ratings? Like can you get Bloodthirsty rank on skill or something? Cause that might solve my above mentioned problem.

Nope.

My opinion and your opinion doesn't change that the game isn't finished and he still decided to post it and put medals on it. And that the other three games with medals ARE finished. Note the scores of all four games. Which one is the worst? By a landslide?

And I use the word "shitty" because, personally, I think that falling through the ground and being unable to attack for some time afterward is shitty. I think that a tutorial that doesn't work and doesn't explain crucial elements of the game is shitty. I think that beating a boss the wrong way and causing the screen to freeze up is shitty. But I guess that's just my opinion, and some people enjoy bug-ridden monstrosities with such wonderful strategies as "press s repeatedly" or "press down and d repeatedly."

At 3/16/09 05:50 PM, Kamikazetomato wrote: And that the other three games with medals ARE finished. Note the scores of all four games. Which one is the worst? By a landslide?

Are they? Thing Thing Arena 3 too has some bugs (albeit not so bad bugs as FU).

But I guess that's just my opinion, and some people enjoy bug-ridden monstrosities with such wonderful strategies as "press s repeatedly" or "press down and d repeatedly."

And what are the strategies of Portal Defenders and Thing Thing Arena 3?
Portal Defenders: Press A as fast as you can, run around, press A as fast as you can.
Thing Thing Arena 3? Well, shoot as fast as you can and run around.
This is in no way better than the strategy used in Fear Unlimited.

So yes, some people like this game, even though it has bugs. I can accept a few bugs here and there if the concept of a game is good and if I still have fun playing it. As I already mentioned, I wouldn't play the game if I would not like it. ;)

Also, the author did not just put medals on the game out of the blue. Right now only admins can put medals on a game, this means at least one of the admins thought the game was worthy and good enough to have medals.

And it also would help a lot if you would make use of the quote button, or it might get a little bit confusing as to who you are replying. ;)

At 3/16/09 07:05 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 3/16/09 05:50 PM, Kamikazetomato wrote: And that the other three games with medals ARE finished. Note the scores of all four games. Which one is the worst? By a landslide?

Are they?

Yup, Alike has 4.12, Thing-Thing has 4.50 and portal defenders has 4.48 as FU has 3.20.

Anyway you guys are all retarded.

PORTAL DEFENDERS - Given medals to be the optimal example of medals in a game.

ALIKE KONG 2 - Given medals to see if people would still play a game that was mildly difficult with extremely hard medals.

THING-THING ARENA 3 - Given medals to see if people would play a game where all the medals are pointless shootem ups, meaning to see if people would play fighting and shooter games with medals just like this.

FEAR UNLIMITED ISSUE2 - It is just a silly test to see if people would play a shitty flash game with medals.

And also, to PROVE A POINT.

"OH BOY I CAN'T WAIT FOR MEDALS TO BE RELEASED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC!"
"IT WILL BE SO FUN WHEN EVERY GAME HAS MEDALS!!"
" I THINK THIS, THIS AND THIS GAMES ALL DESERVE MEDALS 'CAUSE."
.........
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ALIKE KONG 2 IS SO HARD I CAN'T BEAT IT, WAAAAAAAAAAAAH"
"FEAR UNLIMITED 2 IS SUCH A SHITTIE GAME, IT SHOULD BE STRIPPED OF ITS MEDALS"

Jesus christ you guys are a bunch of hypocritts.

It is painfully obvious that medals will NEVER be released to the general public.

Only submissons submitted by Admins or at least worked on by Admins will ever be released to the public like that.

Once a week every week a new flash will be added to the medal system.

Psychogoldfish will just pick flash games that are good and once a week add a medal system to them.

FU is the reason flash games will never have medals in general.

To make it so shit games could also submit games with medals is blasphemy.

And it won't make it so if the game has passed judgement and 4.00+ or whatever in score is also, retarded.

DUH DUH DUH THIS HAS A HIGH SCORE SO IT CAN UPLOAD MEDALS.

Unless some really unlikely chance that medal points will effect our voting power medals are pointless other than to addict us to games.

/END RANT.

At 3/16/09 07:28 PM, AniMetal wrote:

At 3/16/09 07:05 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 3/16/09 05:50 PM, Kamikazetomato wrote: And that the other three games with medals ARE finished. Note the scores of all four games. Which one is the worst? By a landslide?

Are they?

Yup, Alike has 4.12, Thing-Thing has 4.50 and portal defenders has 4.48 as FU has 3.20.

Anyway you guys are all retarded.

PORTAL DEFENDERS - Given medals to be the optimal example of medals in a game.

ALIKE KONG 2 - Given medals to see if people would still play a game that was mildly difficult with extremely hard medals.

THING-THING ARENA 3 - Given medals to see if people would play a game where all the medals are pointless shootem ups, meaning to see if people would play fighting and shooter games with medals just like this.

FEAR UNLIMITED ISSUE2 - It is just a silly test to see if people would play a shitty flash game with medals.

And also, to PROVE A POINT.

"OH BOY I CAN'T WAIT FOR MEDALS TO BE RELEASED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC!"
"IT WILL BE SO FUN WHEN EVERY GAME HAS MEDALS!!"
" I THINK THIS, THIS AND THIS GAMES ALL DESERVE MEDALS 'CAUSE."
.........
"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH ALIKE KONG 2 IS SO HARD I CAN'T BEAT IT, WAAAAAAAAAAAAH"
"FEAR UNLIMITED 2 IS SUCH A SHITTIE GAME, IT SHOULD BE STRIPPED OF ITS MEDALS"

Jesus christ you guys are a bunch of hypocritts.

It is painfully obvious that medals will NEVER be released to the general public.

Only submissons submitted by Admins or at least worked on by Admins will ever be released to the public like that.

Once a week every week a new flash will be added to the medal system.

Psychogoldfish will just pick flash games that are good and once a week add a medal system to them.

FU is the reason flash games will never have medals in general.

To make it so shit games could also submit games with medals is blasphemy.

And it won't make it so if the game has passed judgement and 4.00+ or whatever in score is also, retarded.

DUH DUH DUH THIS HAS A HIGH SCORE SO IT CAN UPLOAD MEDALS.

Unless some really unlikely chance that medal points will effect our voting power medals are pointless other than to addict us to games.

/END RANT.

Such a pessimistic viewpoint...
Some of the things you said are true, though...
Portal Defenders was made for the medal system just as much as it was for Newgrounds...
And they probably are testing our desire for medals over the crappiness of the game...
Alkie Kong 2 was only picked because, at the time, the medal system was still lacking and Psychogoldfish needed a game he knew would work...
So, he picked his newest game...
The fact that its difficult is a little beside the point...
Honestly, I believe the best system, and the system most likely to be adopted, is one where programmers apply for medals for their games and a Mod desides whether or not it is worthy...
I dunno...
Just some speculation...
It will go further out than just the Mods, though...
At least I think so...

Just what we need, Badges (Medals), I thank you whoever made this system. I salute you.

I think eventually they will make it so:

Any admin, Affilate or mod of any type(Because they already have enough responsibility, maturity, etc.) will be able to upload a game with medal whenever they want.

When any other user wants medals to his game these should be the requirements:

1.) Passed Judgment
2.) Has a 3.40+ score(I know this is hypocritical to what I said earlier, but I have a point.)
3.) Must be nominated by at least 10 users with 6.00+ total vote power.

From there I think it should be submitted to Goldfish's inbox where he will review the game, judge whether it is worth medals or not.

If it is then he will give it medals(But he will chose the medals and the point awards, to avoid from misusing medals)

If he doesn't want it to have medals a notice on the flash will appear saying it was rejected for medals and it will be impossible to nominate for medals anymore.

When nominating a flash these are the requirements:

1.) Flash has passed judgment
2.) Flash has 3.40+ Score(Once a flash gets medals if it falls below that score it doesn't matter)
3.) The flash hasn't already been rejected for medals.
4.) You must be logged in.
5.) Your EXP combined with your B/P bonus MUST equal 6.00+ for total voting power.
6.) you must click on the nominate button somewhere obvious on the pagethat is obvious and easy to find.

That is it for now, I will go more into my ideas tomorrow.

And do you guys think I should submit this to the idea thread?

/End.

ok so i just got the sniper shot gun the cranial eviserator and hasta la vista in a custom game ...it said in the said bar that i had each and they were worth like 1200 apiece. my problem is i didnt get the medals. any ideas?

UPDATES, AND FAQ - Read this before asking for help.

I really don't believe in the 500 points per game system. It greatly limits the range of games that can be played for medals. Also, if a hard game comes along, like Fear, it unbalances the value of points.

Found a good method for the mission 4 boss of Fear. Its an easy A+ medal. Also an easy boss regardless.

This boss seems to have an internal counter. As you melee him, his counter will build up and he will block continuously. After time, his counter will drop and he will stop blocking. Run to side. Shoot, shoot, shoot. Then do a regular D attack through through him. And repeat. The key is to melee slow enough such that your last hit will be blocked, as indicated by the sound effect. This is important to build up your Style meter and will significantly decrease the time taken to complete the round.

At 3/17/09 12:47 AM, bahunter87 wrote: ok so i just got the sniper shot gun the cranial eviserator and hasta la vista in a custom game ...it said in the said bar that i had each and they were worth like 1200 apiece. my problem is i didnt get the medals. any ideas?

Possibly your internet cut out?

At 3/17/09 02:28 AM, Wylo wrote: UPDATES, AND FAQ -

Good job on the all the A+'s (FUI2). I presume the perfectionist thing is buggered? I think to (maybe) get that you'll have to get A+'s all in game, in one go, withour turning the flash off, as it seems the in-game medals never save for me. Sometimes it doesn't even record my best ranks.

As for the buggered "Victory" medal, have you beat it playing straight through (not using level select)? And on something higher than mortal, to be safe.

Also, congrats on the "tough guy." For the amount of time you have to put into that game to get that fucker they should have made it worth a bit more.

Argh, I went on to Portal Defenders whilst logged in and got a pop up saying "log into your NG account to track your achievements", and found out all my achievements in game had been wiped out. Not only that, but the characters I unlocked have gone missing, and the crowns showing the characters I had beaten the game with are gone!

I've turned AdBlocker off, refreshed it, it's still giving me nothing. Anyone else having similar trouble?

Wait forget that, it seems to have resolved itself. Although, it's kind of annoying how it doesn't save who you beat the game with, which is a problem if you're trying to get the Over Achiever or BBFS awards, and it means you have to unlock bob and April again.

how can i kill 100 enemy with acid grenade? it's quite impossible

At 3/17/09 11:26 AM, Arthuria99 wrote: how can i kill 100 enemy with acid grenade? it's quite impossible

For this achievement I chose the Laboratory level (Medium) for the reason that there is a big wall in the middle of the arena that helps limit the amount of enemies that attack you. Stick to the left side of the wall with the acid bomb launcher and let a group of enemies gather on the other side. Jump on top of the wall and start firing acid bombs towards the end of the platform. They'll walk into the gas trap and kill themselves trying to shoot you. If you take too much damage, retreat to the left side of the wall and recover your health and ammo. Keep doing this and you should get the achievement.

Remember that firing more than one acid bomb will result in a greater gradual decrease in the enemy's health, so when you are firing, make sure you're firing a lot.