At 9/22/03 02:52 PM, jonthomson wrote:

At 9/22/03 09:27 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 9/22/03 09:16 AM, Impetus wrote: jonthomson is awesome for being a British guy who likes baseball. ^_^

Yeah, no kidding! Anyone outside of North America, South America, and East Asia.... you don't expect a baseball fan.

American sports have somewhat of a "cult" following over here

Like soccer in America, basically. At least, you're TREATED like you're in a cult if you admit to liking soccer on a sports radio show here...

I got hooked on it in (I think) '99 watching the ALCS, was IIRC Boston - New York, so naturally I started following the Sox from there... I've been watching football for a lot longer, since about '94 or so. Shame we don't get MNF any more or I'd watch those Broncos get destroyed tonight :-)

They did? Eh. #;-}>

I don't pay as much attention to American football as I do to basketball or baseball. Now, if the Houston Texans get better in a year or so, maybe then, but it's hard to have much fun when your old team left the city 10 years ago and your city's new team is in a sophomore slump.

That save was number 549 for me - which means since making the EG, I've had 49 saves and, er, 241 blams. Which considering I was at a 2:1 ratio isn't good. Damn new system :-)

Ah well. Could be worse, could be 0 saves and 500 blams. #;-}>

At 9/23/03 06:52 AM, gfoxcook wrote: OBEY

Hmm.. I have a blue shirt with that little trisomic face and it says OBEY.
Know what I'm talking about ?
It's weird stuff.

At 9/22/03 03:40 PM, alexsmolik wrote: Wait ..... I have a question. It might have been asked and all, still, I don't care, I'll ask it.

NG's stats are right, right ?
I mean, it's the STATISTIC between B AND S points !
So... Does that really mean I'm ranked #17 of B AND P system ???

LockClock's right, you ARE #16, didn't you notice? #;-}>

I'm glad he answered your question, because I have NO idea what you were trying to say up there.

Statistic BETWEEN blams and saves? :::head explodes:::

The only way to get stats apart from COMBINED blams and saves is my top 50 blams and top 50 saves list, man. NG doesn't provide separate stats... at least, I think that's what you were getting at. :::falls over:::

In any event:

you're #16 in b&s (profile rank/official NG top 50 b/p list)
you're #25 in just blams (top 50 blams list)
you're #13 in just saves (top 50 saves list)

At 9/22/03 06:19 PM, LockClock wrote:

At 9/22/03 05:51 PM, Jimong5 wrote:

I must warn you though, There's people like Scaper-x that are fiends in points in the top 100 That could zoom right past you when you least expect it. He's been consistent over 50 per day.

Everyone with a higher average points per day could eventually pass him. However, there may be thousands of points seperating them so it could take a while.

I just want to see ranks eliminated from the top 50. When I got on, I had 4200 points. Since then, Staff Sergeant and Sergeant First Class have been obliterated from the top 50 list.

and now Master Sergeant is poised at the edge of oblivion. Won't take too much more to tip it off the edge, but there is a real lack of people right at the edge. TooCool, I'm pleased to see, is right near making the top 50, though. But once he does, he'll have quite some time till he gets to Sergeant Major, unless he decides to get his blams past 100, but I don't think he will. #;-}>

At 9/23/03 06:59 AM, alexsmolik wrote:

At 9/23/03 06:52 AM, gfoxcook wrote: OBEY

Hmm.. I have a blue shirt with that little trisomic face and it says OBEY.
Know what I'm talking about ?
It's weird stuff.

er... trisomic?

No... I'm afraid, once again, that I have no idea what you're talking about. #;-}>

At 9/22/03 03:40 PM, alexsmolik wrote: Wait ..... I have a question. It might have been asked and all, still, I don't care, I'll ask it.

NG's stats are right, right ?
I mean, it's the STATISTIC between B AND S points !
So... Does that really mean I'm ranked #17 of B AND P system ???

At the time I drew stats for the post (19 Sept) you were still ranked 17th but have since bumped up to 16. The Top 50 list updates 3 times a day, while my posts don't update at all. Think of the lists I post as "snapshots" of people's ranks at a given point in time. In this particular instance there were a lot of rank adjustments I had to make which I do not typically have to do.

It takes me approximately 3 hours to pull up everyones profile, from which I pull their current rank, blams, and protects. The BPs are tallied by the spread sheet and I then sort the list based upon that total. Since it takes me 3 hours to do it, chances are fairly high that blams and saves have been earned by people between when NG recalculated positions and when I actually get to them. I'll then go through and "adjust" the listed ranks (what you would see if you pulled their profile up that day) to their current placement based upon their BP total at the time I pulled their stats.

You'll see lots of places in the lists where merely earning five or ten BPs will gain a person several ranks. As I hadn't even started to draw stats until 2 hours after the recalc, this happened a lot in this past update. My comments about making those fixes are likely what caused your confusion.

At 9/23/03 07:04 AM, gfoxcook wrote: unless he decides to get his blams past 100, but I don't think he will. #;-}>

Can't really get much points relying on saves alone. There's only about 30-50 on an average day compared to 150 blams.

At 9/22/03 08:15 PM, Scaper-X wrote: However, thanks for the mention, Jimong5.

Only real reason I did it was beacuse we were tied for a big strech, but I lost a week in the summer and well... Your a thousand ahead now :P

At 9/24/03 06:56 PM, LockClock wrote:

At 9/23/03 07:04 AM, gfoxcook wrote: unless he decides to get his blams past 100, but I don't think he will. #;-}>

Can't really get much points relying on saves alone. There's only about 30-50 on an average day compared to 150 blams.

Try telling that to TooCool. He's got approximtely 10 times your savecount and is about to break onto the official top 50 list (he's already #10 on the top 50 saves). Doesn't seem to be having too much of a problem with that. #;-}>

It may be too long ago for most to remember, but back in April and May, it wasn't out of the question to see the portal stats for the day before saying between 60 and 90 movies were protected. We just haven't seen a day anywhere near that good since June, if you don't count Clock Day.

At 9/27/03 08:46 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

It may be too long ago for most to remember, but back in April and May, it wasn't out of the question to see the portal stats for the day before saying between 60 and 90 movies were protected. We just haven't seen a day anywhere near that good since June, if you don't count Clock Day.

mostly because wade issued that "warning to bad voters" or something like that announcement. newgrounds was always blam-happy. then everything went alot easyer after that warning, and alot more stuff came on for about a month or two. then everything back to the old blam happy ways. hmmm.. WADE!! we need you again!

At 9/27/03 10:27 AM, Toocool100 wrote: then everything back to the old blam happy ways.

Not really.. a lot of crap is still getting through, and movies are getting overall higher scores. Both were effects of that "Don't vote 0" thing. Before that happened, scores were getting 3.50-3.90, and those scores meant that the movie was really good. Getting a 3.80 would get you into the top 50, getting a 3.70 or 3.60 would get you into the top 100. Now scores like that don't even come close.

At 9/27/03 10:35 AM, Conan_OBrien wrote:

At 9/27/03 10:27 AM, Toocool100 wrote: then everything back to the old blam happy ways.

Not really.. a lot of crap is still getting through, and movies are getting overall higher scores. Both were effects of that "Don't vote 0" thing. Before that happened, scores were getting 3.50-3.90, and those scores meant that the movie was really good. Getting a 3.80 would get you into the top 50, getting a 3.70 or 3.60 would get you into the top 100. Now scores like that don't even come close.

thats a good point, but i dont belive its from what wade said. wade made that announcement about a year ago, im sure not many people come to newgrounds and vote higher because of it. remember, newgrounds isn't just for NG members. NG keeps running because of unique visitors. thousands to millions of people come on this site, and a HUGE percentage of them dont have a clue about wades announcement from long ago. for some reason, scores have been going up. i dont know why, i would like to know. as for the under judgment stuff, its still the same, bad stuff gets blammed horribly, good stuff gets high scores. it seems as though there is no middle ground anymore. its either a movie has a really high score or a really low score. im open to hear anyones explanations if anyone has any.

At 9/27/03 10:35 AM, Conan_OBrien wrote:

At 9/27/03 10:27 AM, Toocool100 wrote: then everything back to the old blam happy ways.

Not really.. a lot of crap is still getting through, and movies are getting overall higher scores. Both were effects of that "Don't vote 0" thing. Before that happened, scores were getting 3.50-3.90, and those scores meant that the movie was really good. Getting a 3.80 would get you into the top 50, getting a 3.70 or 3.60 would get you into the top 100. Now scores like that don't even come close.

If Wade wants more stuff to get protected, he should lower the final protection score level. There's little point in encouraging everyone to vote higher (or discouraging people from voting lowly) as that will just artificially inflate scores. It's kind of like how now getting a score of 3 or 3.5 isn't uncommon, and even 4 isn't that special nowadays.

On the other hand, the increase in the top score or the score of the top 50 does have something to do with the fact that the standards of flash have increased over the years. If Street Life was resubmitted now (an all time classic for any n00bs not in the know), it would probably score around 3.5, which is pretty much what it's got at the moment. So while scores have gone up a bit, I don't see it as too much of a problem.

Not entirely sure what point I'm trying to make here :-)

At 9/27/03 10:45 AM, jonthomson wrote:

Not entirely sure what point I'm trying to make here :-)

you just made the point that the quality of flash movies have gone up, thats why they are getting inflated scores, or so thats what i think you ment your point to be. i agree flash movies are alot better than they used to, and they are coming out a lot faster, every week it seems as though the top movies from that week are hitting the top 5 of all time.. the movies are of awesome caliber these days, real pro's.

At 9/27/03 11:07 AM, Toocool100 wrote: you just made the point that the quality of flash movies have gone up, thats why they are getting inflated scores, or so thats what i think you ment your point to be. i agree flash movies are alot better than they used to, and they are coming out a lot faster, every week it seems as though the top movies from that week are hitting the top 5 of all time.. the movies are of awesome caliber these days, real pro's.

Agreed. NG flash is worth a lot more than in the past. I visit NG since 1999 and I'd say that flash got better, NG got more features...but on the BBS, it has gone down a bit since I came here....Well, I'm not really a BBS regular because I started coming here at the beginning of this year....

I also have to say that more and more blam material comes up to the portal since a few months..I had two times more saves than blams, about 4-5 months ago, and now Blams are almost reaching the Saves..

where's the update? you for got it? or are you just too buzy?

At 9/27/03 01:20 PM, _lightning_ wrote: where's the update? you for got it? or are you just too buzy?

Probably later will update...

*Waits anxiously to see my 50 points per day for this week*

At 9/27/03 11:29 AM, KoRnFreakeR wrote:
I also have to say that more and more blam material comes up to the portal since a few months..I had two times more saves than blams, about 4-5 months ago, and now Blams are almost reaching the Saves..

the reasons you are getting more blams is not cause flash is getting worse, its just because there are more people people visiting newgrounds, more people getting flash mx, more people with no talent, more people making bad flashes, and more people submitting their bad flashes, and just recently, about a few months ago, people started submitting bad flashes just so it can be blammed for blam points. its sad really

At 9/27/03 01:28 PM, LockClock wrote:

At 9/27/03 01:20 PM, _lightning_ wrote: where's the update? you for got it? or are you just too buzy?

Probably later will update...

*Waits anxiously to see my 50 points per day for this week*

Dogma hasn't even been getting blams or protects for days now. I doubt he's got time to even come on NG, let alone do the update. Looks like we might get a massive 10 day or 14 day one this week...

At 9/27/03 07:51 PM, Toocool100 wrote: more people getting flash mx, more people with no talent, more people making bad flashes, and more people submitting their bad flashes, and just recently, about a few months ago, people started submitting bad flashes just so it can be blammed for blam points. its sad really

I know. More and more people submit stuff. Good for our ranks, bad for the bandwith

At 9/28/03 05:23 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

Dogma hasn't even been getting blams or protects for days now. I doubt he's got time to even come on NG, let alone do the update. Looks like we might get a massive 10 day or 14 day one this week...

Damn, that would suck. The longer the update, the longer I have to keep up with 50 each day to have an underlined name.

Also, I've noticed Dogma's math for the average per day is sort of off:

Take ramagi for example-"1 32691 421 46.78 ramagi Unch"
That means there are 8.99957 days (or just 9) since the last update by dividing 421 by 46.78
This update was "Posted: 9/20/03 09:39 AM"
The one before that was "Posted: 9/13/03 05:26 AM"
So that means:
Day 1: 9/13
Day 2: 9/14
Day 3: 9/15
Day 4: 9/16
Day 5: 9/17
Day 6: 9/18
Day 7: 9/19
Day 8: 9/20

Only 8 days have passed since the last update (really only 7) and Dogma is dividing total points by 9 to get his points per day. If it was correct, ramagi should have 421 divided by 8, or 52.625 points per day, and an underline.

I'd like to see an update just to now how pathetically small my b/p per day average is. I've done considerably less blamming/saving lately, for two reasons.

1. too busy with other things

2. the load times for NG submissions is considerably slower for me over the last couple days, including today. I'd think at first that it is a server upgrade related thing, but NG must be operating at normal speeds for others because large amounts of submissions are going through the portal and getting blammed or saved quickly. (whilst I miss out on the b/p's as I have to wait for them to load.) So the problem must be on my end or my ISPs end but I can't understand why that would be.

Unless the rest of you are having the same problems and stuff is getting b/p'd quickly because we now have a lot more voters?

At 9/28/03 02:20 PM, Impetus wrote: I'd like to see an update just to now how pathetically small my b/p per day average is. I've done considerably less blamming/saving lately, for two reasons.

1. too busy with other things

2. the load times for NG submissions is considerably slower for me over the last couple days, including today. I'd think at first that it is a server upgrade related thing, but NG must be operating at normal speeds for others because large amounts of submissions are going through the portal and getting blammed or saved quickly. (whilst I miss out on the b/p's as I have to wait for them to load.) So the problem must be on my end or my ISPs end but I can't understand why that would be.

Unless the rest of you are having the same problems and stuff is getting b/p'd quickly because we now have a lot more voters?

Friday was the only day I had problems with the way Newgrounds loads. But that was a server problem and there were 30 under judgement submissions at the same time. Still, I managed to vote on all of them, although it was painfully slow. Besides that, I don't see how there's a problem with the site since I got about 80 b/p points yesterday.

At 9/28/03 11:29 AM, LockClock wrote:

At 9/28/03 05:23 AM, gfoxcook wrote: Dogma hasn't even been getting blams or protects for days now. I doubt he's got time to even come on NG, let alone do the update. Looks like we might get a massive 10 day or 14 day one this week...

Damn, that would suck. The longer the update, the longer I have to keep up with 50 each day to have an underlined name.

heh! Indeed.

Or you could just get 100 on two different days, and you could take a break for 40 hours or so after that.

Also, I've noticed Dogma's math for the average per day is sort of off:

Take ramagi for example-"1 32691 421 46.78 ramagi Unch"
That means there are 8.99957 days (or just 9) since the last update by dividing 421 by 46.78
This update was "Posted: 9/20/03 09:39 AM"
The one before that was "Posted: 9/13/03 05:26 AM"
So that means:
Day 1: 9/13
Day 2: 9/14
Day 3: 9/15
Day 4: 9/16
Day 5: 9/17
Day 6: 9/18
Day 7: 9/19
Day 8: 9/20

Only 8 days have passed since the last update (really only 7) and Dogma is dividing total points by 9 to get his points per day. If it was correct, ramagi should have 421 divided by 8, or 52.625 points per day, and an underline.

That's all very interesting, in theory, but I can tell you why you're coming up with conflicting results to Dogma's in a few simple words without having to look anything up but opening the calendar on my computer:

The last update before 9/20 was NOT on 9/13, it was on 9/11.

"Eh?" you might say, but it's true. If you've ever paid attention to this thread wayyyy back into its annals, the weekly update (i.e. the big one, the one which includes 1-50, the one which all the other miniupdates are based upon, the one we all wait patiently for to see, and the only one I save personally to my harddrive)....

anyway, the weekly update was always on Thursday morning, every 7 days. But Dogma got busy recently and Thursday mornings became very inconvenient, so after the 9/11 update (and the monthly one he posted on 9/11 as well), the next update was shifted to Saturday on the next week, or 7 + 2 days in the future.

Hence the 8.99999etc. day amount you came up with.

So no, ramagi did not average 50+ for that period.

And the reason I can say all of this with certaintly is that Dogma only posted one Saturday update so far, which is why we're all talking about the lack of an update this past Saturday (48 hours ago). Now it's been 9 days (again!), but this time unintentionally.

In any event, NGling's VP list will be updated tomorrow, the 30th, if he's on schedule, and I'm hitting 17300 points in 3 points, so I'll be hitting 17500 and a new rank on Wednesday, and I'll be updating my blammer and savior top 50s, so... hopefully we'll all get our list fixes from all of those in the meantime, while we wait for a single word from Dogma. (sniff)

At 9/29/03 11:07 AM, gfoxcook wrote: The last update before 9/20 was NOT on 9/13, it was on 9/11.

"Eh?" you might say, but it's true. If you've ever paid attention to this thread wayyyy back into its annals, the weekly update (i.e. the big one, the one which includes 1-50, the one which all the other miniupdates are based upon, the one we all wait patiently for to see, and the only one I save personally to my harddrive)....

anyway, the weekly update was always on Thursday morning, every 7 days. But Dogma got busy recently and Thursday mornings became very inconvenient, so after the 9/11 update (and the monthly one he posted on 9/11 as well), the next update was shifted to Saturday on the next week, or 7 + 2 days in the future.

And the reason I can say all of this with certaintly is that Dogma only posted one Saturday update so far, which is why we're all talking about the lack of an update this past Saturday (48 hours ago). Now it's been 9 days (again!), but this time unintentionally.

So you mean the next update should be like the 9/20 update with all the info-rank, total, points per day, rank change, etc. or like the 9/13 update with just rank and name? And if it's a major update, will the information be based on the 9/20 update?

As for the 50 per day list, I've gotten 575 points since the 9/20 so I should be set until October 1 according to your information.

At 9/29/03 03:04 PM, LockClock wrote:

At 9/29/03 11:07 AM, gfoxcook wrote: The last update before 9/20 was NOT on 9/13, it was on 9/11.

"Eh?" you might say, but it's true. If you've ever paid attention to this thread wayyyy back into its annals, the weekly update (i.e. the big one, the one which includes 1-50, the one which all the other miniupdates are based upon, the one we all wait patiently for to see, and the only one I save personally to my harddrive)....

anyway, the weekly update was always on Thursday morning, every 7 days. But Dogma got busy recently and Thursday mornings became very inconvenient, so after the 9/11 update (and the monthly one he posted on 9/11 as well), the next update was shifted to Saturday on the next week, or 7 + 2 days in the future.

And the reason I can say all of this with certaintly is that Dogma only posted one Saturday update so far, which is why we're all talking about the lack of an update this past Saturday (48 hours ago). Now it's been 9 days (again!), but this time unintentionally.

So you mean the next update should be like the 9/20 update with all the info-rank, total, points per day, rank change, etc. or like the 9/13 update with just rank and name? And if it's a major update, will the information be based on the 9/20 update?

Noooo.... I mean that there are two types of updates. The one with everything, and the miniupdates. And only the everything updates count for the rates you're talking about being incorrect, but were actually correct (the 7/9 day confusion you had).

I have no idea whether Dogma will come back and post a miniupdate or a full update. I suppose it depends on whether Dogma comes back and wants to do an update on Wednesday or on Saturday. If he comes back on Wednesday, then it'll be a miniupdate (unless he makes a one-time exception and does a weekly update on Wednesday due to missing last Saturday). If he comes back on Saturday, then it'll be the full Saturday update, clearly.

I don't know the dates on the miniupdates, because like I said, I only save the FULL updates to txt files. Observe:

looks like D0GMA has succumbed to Real Life.....?

At 10/3/03 01:44 AM, Denvish wrote: looks like D0GMA has succumbed to Real Life.....?

how dare he =P

At 10/3/03 08:45 AM, _lightning_ wrote:

At 10/3/03 01:44 AM, Denvish wrote: looks like D0GMA has succumbed to Real Life.....?

how dare he =P

yea, that should be a crime. NG should start making laws!

It's been two full weeks now and it doesn't look like D0GMA's coming back here anytime soon...

Check out his blam/protect stats:

9/20/03:
15 12177 351 39.00 d0gma Unch

and my calculations for 10/4/03:
15 12252 75 5.36 d0gma Unch

He went from 39 points a day to under 6 a day. Perhaps he's just too busy or decided Newgrounds was less important to him now :(

Since D0gma didn't even post anything to the effect of "I'm too busy to do BP ranks" or "I don't feel like doing BP ranks anymore" or "I'm not going to be able to connect to the Internet for a while" or even "I've decided that each and every one of you is a dirty fag who should kill himself, fuck no I'm not going to work hard to produce a stats sheet for you shitstains!" I am lead to believe that whatever happened to him immediately prevented him from connecting to the Internet. I just hope it's nothing horrible.

(And yes, I'm aware that d0gma wouldn't say something like that last example. It's just an example, not a prediction.)