Yeah, the title pretty much sums this up. I wasn't going to post about it- I'm not one to make topics about things that happen in my life, but what the hell. Before you say it, this is NOT a parody of Ozcar's topic where he was stabbed with an icepick (or whatever that thing was).

So I was out in Denver downtown on Saturday night with a mate of my mine from Philly. I'd put him in a taxi because he was pretty wasted, and headed off to catch a bus on Broadway (for any of you that may actually know Denver a bit). I was sitting around at the bus stop with another guy, who I was trying to avoid eye contact with because he looked like he wanted to rape me or something, when I saw this couple walking down the sidewalk. (This was all at about 11PM)

They seemed like an ordinary enough pair- the man was pretty drunk judging by the groping going on, and the girl (who was pretty hot by the way), seemed thoroughly pissed off, as I'm sure most ladies are when their man has had a few too many, but other than that normal as two people can be.

In the other direction there is this Hispanic guy (no racism intended, it's just the easiest way to describe him), who was also pretty drunk. Well, very drunk- he was having a hard time walking in a straight line, and seemed to be muttering something under his breath.

As luck would have it the two met each other right in front of the bus stop I was sitting at, the guy next to me now focused upon the nice young lady coming our way. They had a short conversation as they passed, and our Hispanic friend tried to be a little too friendly, as drunk guys often are. The man didn't like it and in not so many words told him to go away, and carried on with his girl.

Now the Hispanic guy was pissed off- he was only trying to be friendly after all, and he started shouting after the couple a load of obscenities, and saying he would thump him if his girl wasn't there. The couple ignored him and carried on walking. This further infuriates the Hispanic guy, and he goes after them, intending to fight the guy after all.

The drunk white guy responds, and a few punches are thrown, while the young lady looks on in horror, screaming at her boyfriend to stop. I was thinking that was going to be it, and was quite enjoying this entertainment while I waited for the bus (I've learnt from experience that it's best to just let two drunk people fight it out than get involved).

Well, out of nowhere the Hispanic guy lets out a half yelp, half grunt, and starts to stagger/run away. I hadn't realised what happened at first, but looking back at the first man I see a knife in his hand with very definite blood on it. In real life a stabbing is very fast, and looks little more than a couple of punches- if I hadn't seen the knife and the blood I'd have thought he simply hit him.

I don't know what happened to the Hispanic guy- he disappeared off with blood on his shirt, while the couple walked off in the other direction. No doubt that guy got dumped later that night.

So yeah, there's my little tale. No real point to it, I just felt like posting something. Note, you can tell this is for real, as there are no Fresh Prince references at the end here. No cabs, no Bel Air, no nothing.

So has anyone else been a witness to a violent crime of this sort? Do you guys carry around knives etc as protection in cities? I'm a Brit living over here and the amount of violent crime in the US surprises me a lot, despite growing up near some less than pleasant areas South of London. I witnessed a robbery on a bus in Bath in the UK last year admittedly, although that was much less interesting- I did have to give police statements and shit that time though.

And yeah, it's a long post, get over it.

At 3/20/07 06:25 PM, Craven-Dick wrote: I smell parody thread.....

You should probably read the fucking post then- no way you could have in the 30 seconds it was up. Hell, the first paragraph says it ISN'T a parody thread!

wow that is crazy i saw a guy get arrested im my yard

I once saw a six year old girl get hit by a car when I was ten. The car kept going.

I laughed, luckily she survived or I would seem like a bastard, wouldn't I?

I already saw a gang fighting but not a guy got stabbed.

the cop came to soon

anyway did the cops came?

try geting your brain bash by a steel chair

Shit man. Sounds nasty.

In all honesty, I don't blame the stabber. Some drunk comes running after you with the intent to fight? You've got your girl with you? Self defense, with a witness. The stabber should have called the police right away though. Perhaps he did later.

At 3/20/07 06:25 PM, Craven-Dick wrote: I smell parody thread.....

Banned for not even reading the first paragraph.

At 3/20/07 06:28 PM, azn-vink wrote: I already saw a gang fighting but not a guy got stabbed.

the cop came to soon

anyway did the cops came?

There was only me and this other guy to witness it, and I sure as hell didn't want to go through all the witness statements and shit, so I didn't call them. The Hispanic guy didn't seem too badly hurt, and I've not heard anything on the news of a guy being stabbed, so I doubt he reported it.

At 3/20/07 06:27 PM, Sentio wrote:

At 3/20/07 06:25 PM, Craven-Dick wrote: I smell parody thread.....

You should probably read the fucking post then- no way you could have in the 30 seconds it was up. Hell, the first paragraph says it ISN'T a parody thread!

Yeah really.

i was outside my house and i found a neighbor who had blood on his head and he seemed unconscieous on the sidewalk.I was young and was thinking of calling 911.but this lady saw him and the problem took care of itslef.Im pretty sure the guy was drunk.

The most violent thing I have ever seen was a car wreck, nobody got hurt though.

But seeing someone get stabbed must have been crazy. I'm a little surprised you didn't well like, do anything about it, I'd probably call 911, or call someone and say some guy just got stabbed in front of me.

At 3/20/07 06:25 PM, Sentio wrote:

No Fresh Pince

YOU SUCK!

:(.. Not even a cab with dice in the mirror.

i witnessed my brother get ht by a car when i was 9, hes alive and shit, the van stopped and called an ambulance, my brother ran out onto the road

There was only me and this other guy to witness it, and I sure as hell didn't want to go through all the witness statements and shit, so I didn't call them. The Hispanic guy didn't seem too badly hurt, and I've not heard anything on the news of a guy being stabbed, so I doubt he reported it.

rofl i will just call the cops from a public phone and get to the first bus at my house.

At 3/20/07 06:32 PM, AlphaCentauri wrote: The most violent thing I have ever seen was a car wreck, nobody got hurt though.

But seeing someone get stabbed must have been crazy. I'm a little surprised you didn't well like, do anything about it, I'd probably call 911, or call someone and say some guy just got stabbed in front of me.

I thought about it, but I was more than a little drunk myself, and as I said in my last post, the last thing I wanted was a load of police interviews and stuff. Had the guy been badly injured I certainly would have done, but he disappeared off pretty fast so he can't have been too badly hurt. What really surprised me was the way the stabber just shrugged it off and carried on like nothing happened. As Zerok said, i can't blame him for protecting his girl, but at the same time it was a bit cold- he could have just hit the guy a few times.

And yeah, it was freaky looking back at it- at the time it doesn't really sink in. Not the kind of thing you want to see so close on a night out in town, that's for sure.

At 3/20/07 06:29 PM, Zerok wrote: Shit man. Sounds nasty.

In all honesty, I don't blame the stabber. Some drunk comes running after you with the intent to fight? You've got your girl with you? Self defense, with a witness. The stabber should have called the police right away though. Perhaps he did later.

At 3/20/07 06:25 PM, Craven-Dick wrote: I smell parody thread.....

Banned for not even reading the first paragraph.

wow that guy got owned I mean the cravendick guy or wtv anyways on the subject I agree with mod dude up there

I saw a guy getting his head stamped on by two chavs last summer. He subsequently died. It was weird waking up the next morning and seeing forensics taking photos of the area, especially when I hadn't considered it to be that serious when I witnessed it. Strange thing was that he didn't suffer any broken nose, or any other fracture. A blood vessel had a hairline split in the base of his brain and leaked into the part responsible for the regulation of breathing and his heartbeat, and so he died. I had to give evidence in court, and the two bastards both went down for murder! I'm glad I helped.

It's fucked up how one person can be Judge, Jury and Defense in that moment when they take someone's life. It's only right that they get brought to justice.

I feel for you man, it's a pretty daunting experience to see something like that. It's like one of those things that sticks with you. I can still remember the screams of the girl trying to wake up the guy who got his head kicked in. Argh. I'm angry now.

My house was robbed and the robber came 2 nights later and tied me to my own bed, luckily the police came and helped me the next morning.

Is Craven actually banned?

At 3/20/07 06:35 PM, CuteAndFuzzy wrote:

Kinda harsh. Federal law states self defense only applies with equal force. (IE: shooting someone after they slap you in the face.)

If the guy wasnt yelling out life threatening comments and acting as if he had something to seriously harm you, you can only use equal force for it to properly apply as self defense.

<lawyer/>

No way it's that cut and dry. I know of someone who shot another guy in self defense, the other guy died too, and buddy got off. The assailant had the gun orginally, but still. In the case posted here, if the stabber had reason to fear for his and his woman's safety, a good lawyer should be able to get them off on self defense, assuming he had a clean record.

The nature of the stabbing matters too.

At 3/20/07 07:04 PM, Dragonman855 wrote: Is Craven actually banned?

Do you see him posting any more?

Here comes a parody.

Okay, since I'm not gonna read that shitload of text I'm gonna guess your a little depressed after this eh?

At 3/20/07 07:10 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote: Here comes a parody.

here comes a ban.

At 3/20/07 06:27 PM, Sentio wrote:

At 3/20/07 06:25 PM, Craven-Dick wrote: I smell parody thread.....

You should probably read the fucking post then- no way you could have in the 30 seconds it was up. Hell, the first paragraph says it ISN'T a parody thread!

I think he means there might be a parody thread from this topic.

It might have been a good idea to have called an ambulance and tell them a guys been stabbed.

Right, I went out for an hour to grab some food, so responses to some of you (the ones with decent posts anyway...)

At 3/20/07 06:37 PM, ouchichi wrote: I saw a guy getting his head stamped on by two chavs last summer. He subsequently died. It was weird waking up the next morning and seeing forensics taking photos of the area, especially when I hadn't considered it to be that serious when I witnessed it. Strange thing was that he didn't suffer any broken nose, or any other fracture. A blood vessel had a hairline split in the base of his brain and leaked into the part responsible for the regulation of breathing and his heartbeat, and so he died. I had to give evidence in court, and the two bastards both went down for murder! I'm glad I helped.

I'm amazed at how many of you lot have seen violent crimes, many far more serious than the one I witnessed. This one in particular is pretty amazing to me, and I guess shows this stuff happens just as much in the UK as it does here, even if I haven't seen it so much myself. had it been more serious I certainly would have got the police involved, but I doubt either guy wanted this reported- the Hispanic guy did start the whole thing, even though he came off on the receiving end, and the other guy could probably have got off on self defence, even though he did go a bit far. He wouldn't want to report that he had stabbed a guy either though, and as the guy wasn't exactly dying on the street I wasn't about to get involved. My drunken witness statement may not of held up in court or whatever anyway.

It's fucked up how one person can be Judge, Jury and Defense in that moment when they take someone's life. It's only right that they get brought to justice.

It certainly is, and in the situation you described it's good to know that the attackers were punished for their crimes.

I feel for you man, it's a pretty daunting experience to see something like that. It's like one of those things that sticks with you. I can still remember the screams of the girl trying to wake up the guy who got his head kicked in. Argh. I'm angry now.

I have no doubt I won't forget it, but it really is a bit of an anticlimax at the time. There wasn't that much blood, no obvious stabbing motions (more like a punch), no scream from the guy who was stabbed, there wasn't even a maniacal laugh from the stabber! It was just very fast, and the guy who was stabbed reacted more in shock than pain. He never even said anything as he moved away.

At 3/20/07 07:09 PM, Zerok wrote:

No way it's that cut and dry. I know of someone who shot another guy in self defense, the other guy died too, and buddy got off. The assailant had the gun orginally, but still. In the case posted here, if the stabber had reason to fear for his and his woman's safety, a good lawyer should be able to get them off on self defense, assuming he had a clean record.

I'd agree, although he used what could be seen as excessive force in some eyes, I'd be willing to bet he'd get off on self defence. He wasn't trying to kill the guy after all, just scare him and get him to stop fighting. Maybe a knife was extreme, and he could have done much more damage than he actually did, but in the end he was attacked.

Do you see him posting any more?

Good riddance, thanks for disposing of him Zerok :)

At 3/20/07 07:10 PM, The-evil-bucket wrote: Here comes a parody.

Ha, I'd almost feel proud to have a parody of one of my threads, I don't post in general much :)

At 3/20/07 07:15 PM, Onizero wrote: Okay, since I'm not gonna read that shitload of text I'm gonna guess your a little depressed after this eh?

Well maybe you should read a topic before posting in it. I'm not depressed about this in any way, I was simply telling of something that I saw, looking for reactions, and maybe similar stories.

At 3/20/07 07:20 PM, Blaze-Heatnix wrote: I whistled for a stab and when it came near....

I almost loled... almost.

At 3/20/07 07:22 PM, cellardoor6 wrote:

I have a shotgun in my car. I used to carry around a pistol in my car, but I am too young to have a concealed weapons license even though i've had the training, so I decided not to fuck myself over with the law. Now I carry a canister of pepper spray and a ku baton on my key chain.

Wow, I've never carried anything in self defence, but this incident is kind of making me think I should. I'm in good shape, but I'm not the biggest guy in the world (5'10, 150 pounds), and I wouldn't stand much chance if attacked. I'd never carry a gun (illegal in the UK anyway) or a knife, but something like pepper spray might be an idea. Not that I plan on being out in the city much at night anyway.

You know, there is actually more crime per capita in the UK than there is in the US. We have more successful murders though, but the UK is hardly crime free compared to the US.

The difference I guess is that you hear about it a lot more over here, and as you said the attacks over here result in murder far more often, largely due to the use of guns, which is far less common in the UK. Plus the cities are larger and seem to have bad districts more often over here, which instantly puts the idea of crime in your mind when travelling around (not that that isn't the case in London).

What you witnessed is just the lower rung of American society, criminals, drug addicts, illegal immigrants (probably the Hispanic guy) etc... That has no reflection on the US as a whole, it doesn't even really mean anything about US crime.

You may well be right, although I don't want to automatically stereotype the Hispanic guy or anything- there is a large Spanish population in Denver, so he could have been simply on his way home after a night out. You're right that certain rungs of society are responsible for a lot of the crime, and the same could be said of the UK, but that is part and parcel of a country built upon immigration and bringing different types of people from all over the world together. As such it is as much US crime as anything.

When I was in the UK I saw probably 15 bar fights over the space of 2 months, I personally had stuff of mine jacked. I've seen maybe 2 bar fights in my life in the US, and I've never been the victim of a crime as far as I can remember.

Like I said above, there are probably more petty fights in the UK- you see them every night in most towns and cities, but you don't get this type of violent and potentially lethal crime nearly so often.

So I don't really think the little spectacle you witnessed means anything. You just happened to be lucky (or unlucky) enough to see this unfortunate, yet rare occurrence with your own eyes.

Yeah, I'm not really thinking much of it, I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. just combined with all of the stories you see on the news etc you get the feeling that murders happen all the time over here, even if it isn't as common as other places. The media has a lot of power over people opinions like that.

And I have a question; you moved here from Britain and you chose to live in Denver? Wtf?

I'm here on a University work placement, so I didn't have a great deal of choice- this place just accpeted me, and had a good subject that it was working on (inflammation in breast cancer...). To be honest this is a pretty nice city, there are far worse.

You should be proud for making this post Rob!

You got a parody and a parody of a parody!!! =P

Still hearing about things like that in the US, it's a wonder how the media/FA go on so much about football hooligans.

It's not a bad place here.

I ran out of characters in the last post, so one more response...

At 3/20/07 07:34 PM, GeekyKnight wrote: It might have been a good idea to have called an ambulance and tell them a guys been stabbed.

Maybe it would have been. I'm no more infallible than the next person, and it's quite possible that I did the wrong thing. In my defence I didn't think the guy was badly hurt (and he probably wasn't), I was drunk, and I didn't think it was a good idea to get involved when one guy had a knife.

It had also crossed my mind to try and break the fight up (before I knew a knife was going to get involved), but being the size that I am I wouldn't have been able to do much to stop it. I've tried breaking up fights between my mates at home, and I know from experience that when drunk people don't really know who they are fighting. More often than not I end up more beaten than they do, so with two strangers who probably had 50 pounds plus apiece on me I wasn't getting involved. I could have asked the guy next to me to help, but being gang raped really wasn't part of my evening plans either... :S

Dang, and then another post pops up to reply to :)

At 3/20/07 08:13 PM, Gagsy wrote: You should be proud for making this post Rob!

You got a parody and a parody of a parody!!! =P

Woo! I never thought I'd actually get parodies of this! There's a first time for everything I guess :).

Still hearing about things like that in the US, it's a wonder how the media/FA go on so much about football hooligans.

Well, they have some point- not that I would have minded too much if Lampard had taken one to the nose last night :). It's just violence over here often has weaponry involved, more so than the UK, and ends with more dead people. There are plenty of mindless thugs about in the UK as well.

It's not a bad place here.

It isn't- can't wait to be back home in the Summer, although the 25 degree temperatures we've been having in March here, and the rather good tan I am getting, may change my mind :D

and good to see you back, where have you been the last week or so? The football threads have been very quiet with me talking to myself! Damn Chelsea getting through last night :P