http://wrestlingrumors.net/after-brand-split-roman-reigns-will-be-main-star-of-raw-john-cena-will-be-main-star-of-smackdown/

This confirms that they will be on different shows, but does not mention if each will have a different brand title.

The best part of RAW was when AJ punched stupid John Cena in the face. The Club reformed and then all beat up Cena. Good times.

The worst part was when The New Day vs VaudeVillains match was interrupted. They should really reschedule, but you never know.

Can't wait for Big Match John to overcome the odds and show those rookies from The Club what the big leagues are all about!

Please, just get Reigns of the fucking title! I can't take it any longer..

At 5/31/16 03:00 AM, TheMaster wrote: Can't wait for Big Match John to overcome the odds and show those rookies from The Club what the big leagues are all about!

I think this is a joke, but I am tired of Cena burying all the talent.

At 5/31/16 10:37 AM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: I think this is a joke, but I am tired of Cena burying all the talent.

I don't think its Cena's fault. Truth be told he has been getting better at putting people over. I think he learned his lesson after what he did to The Nexus in changing the match. Even he agreed that what he did was wrong. His open challenge for the US Championship helped put some people over by bringing legitimacy to the belt.

I imagine Cena being put on SmackDown anyways after the next WWE Draft.

I blame Triple H mainly for having the WWE guy constantly take out guys from other places. Why do you think we had the Triple H vs. Sting match anyways? So Triple H could be the one to kill WCW.

At 6/1/16 12:30 AM, The-Great-One wrote: I don't think its Cena's fault. Truth be told he has been getting better at putting people over. I think he learned his lesson after what he did to The Nexus in changing the match. Even he agreed that what he did was wrong. His open challenge for the US Championship helped put some people over by bringing legitimacy to the belt.

John Cena enjoys burying Nexus, the Wyatts, and soon to be The Club.

I imagine Cena being put on SmackDown anyways after the next WWE Draft.

This has been confirmed.

I blame Triple H mainly for having the WWE guy constantly take out guys from other places. Why do you think we had the Triple H vs. Sting match anyways? So Triple H could be the one to kill WCW.

I totally agree that HHH only wants home grown talent. His match with Sting was a total insult. It made HHH look like a power hungry and weak man. I am in charge, so I will force you to lose to me. So dumb.

At 6/1/16 01:44 AM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: John Cena enjoys burying Nexus, the Wyatts, and soon to be The Club.

Will agree with you on the Nexus, but not with the Wyatts. They have lost sure, but they still draw, they're still seen as strong, and they're still a favorite among fans. Cena did add strength to the Wyatts as heels. Whatever has happened after that I find questionable.

I mean come on, Bray Wyatt was seen as a worthy opponent for an Undertaker Wrestlemania Match.

At 6/1/16 03:14 AM, The-Great-One wrote:

Will agree with you on the Nexus, but not with the Wyatts. They have lost sure, but they still draw, they're still seen as strong, and they're still a favorite among fans. Cena did add strength to the Wyatts as heels. Whatever has happened after that I find questionable.

The Wyatts have so much potential. They have the look, the moves, and a nice gimmick. They are forced to be jobbers too often. Will they have to brake up, to actually win matches and maybe get a belt?

I mean come on, Bray Wyatt was seen as a worthy opponent for an Undertaker Wrestlemania Match.

Bray is entertaining, but they seem to keep holding him back.

I think a lot of fans think if a guy beats anyone, they are getting buried. That's not really how it works. The fomula has always been about the top babyface ultimately winning. The trick is to do it without the opponent being treated like a midcard jobber, which is exactly what he did to the Nexus.

It wasn't so much that he beat them, it was HOW he did it. They went from the gang that DESTROYED Raw, to not being a threat to anyone thanks to Cena. Daniel Bryan getting fired briefly after his first day with Nexus probably saved his career.

If Cena works with the club in the same way he worked with Owens, putting them over clean at least once, they will be just fine. He can't do any more harm to AJ than Roman Reigns already has at this point.

Personally, I think they are going to treat the Club as the next Sheild and probably just let them run roughshot for a good while. They may even go NWO with it and have them add more members to keep intensifying their threat.

I also imagine the club will be on the Raw brand, so Cena can still be super Cena on smackdown without impeding them too badly.

At 6/1/16 01:58 PM, EKM wrote: I like the idea of The Club recruiting more and more members as time goes on, but since this is WWE, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't go that route. I've seen far too many times where stables just disbanded after a few months and it has always baffled me. The Club should score victories against just about everyone they face. WWE has a chance to boost these guys like they did with The Shield. The Shield were one of the few recent teams that the WWE booked right. They looked and were dominant. Nexus had all the potential in the world and WWE ruined it. The same goes for the WWE version of nWo back in 2002.

To be fair, I think WWE creative wanted to push the Nexus farther, but Cena wouldn't let them go over on him. The Shield was probably closer to what we can expect from the Club.

WWE is trying out a bunch of new things behind the scenes right now. They have people scrubbing social media and online dirt sheets, finding popular youtube searches, etc, to get a data-backed snapshot of what the fans want to see.

I think the first thing they figured out was fans want new faces, and that's been happening pretty consistently.

So if they keep following that, as well as the old metrics of arena-responses and merchandise sales, the Club should stand out as a top draw. As soon as club t-shirts are available, and twitter blows up with trending club-related hash tags, they are going to see dollar signs and push the shit out of them.

The flaw they have isn't recognizing and rolling with what the fans want (even if they make the fans wait a while for the payoff), it's that they have a lot of trouble admitting when they make mistakes. So I think they will listen to the audience and push the Club, but they'll also keep pushing Roman (as a babyface) in spite the negative feedback he gets.

At 6/1/16 01:17 PM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: I think a lot of fans think if a guy beats anyone, they are getting buried. That's not really how it works. The fomula has always been about the top babyface ultimately winning. The trick is to do it without the opponent being treated like a midcard jobber, which is exactly what he did to the Nexus.

Ding Ding Ding! This guy gets it!

It wasn't so much that he beat them, it was HOW he did it. They went from the gang that DESTROYED Raw, to not being a threat to anyone thanks to Cena. Daniel Bryan getting fired briefly after his first day with Nexus probably saved his career.

I think you're right given how Nexus got booked going forward.

If Cena works with the club in the same way he worked with Owens, putting them over clean at least once, they will be just fine. He can't do any more harm to AJ than Roman Reigns already has at this point.

Um...how did Roman harm AJ? Did he hurt him in their fantastic match at Payback where AJ beat him twice? Did he hurt him at Extreme Rules where it looked like AJ had it several times then the run ins happened (I was live for that if that helps your thinking any)? Where's the hurt pray tell? As far as Owens, I honestly think they should have let Owens win that feud and go on a tear....but I see where you're coming from. I don't blame Cena for anything bad that's happened to Owens since, that was all a case of WWE and it's booking.

Personally, I think they are going to treat the Club as the next Sheild and probably just let them run roughshot for a good while. They may even go NWO with it and have them add more members to keep intensifying their threat.

Oh please don't....If they want to add, we need ONE new member, that's it. Also it better be a damn logical add. The NWO fell apart when EVERYBODY started joining just to join. It became a wrestling equivalent of a whorehouse and it lost all credibility then. The Club needs to stay small, stay elite, and they need to kick Cena's fucking ass to the point that Cena has to call for help.

I also imagine the club will be on the Raw brand, so Cena can still be super Cena on smackdown without impeding them too badly.

At 6/1/16 11:08 PM, DomoMekko wrote: My Prediction for the brand split

Raw:
John Cena

Think he should go to Smackdown, Raw already has Roman to get booed.

At 6/3/16 10:21 AM, Radaketor wrote:

At 6/1/16 11:08 PM, DomoMekko wrote: My Prediction for the brand split

Raw:
John Cena

Think he should go to Smackdown, Raw already has Roman to get booed.

Cena will be on smackdown, and win the royal rumble, giving the audience the Cena Reigns match they so badly want :3

At 6/1/16 05:29 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:
Um...how did Roman harm AJ? Did he hurt him in their fantastic match at Payback where AJ beat him twice? Did he hurt him at Extreme Rules where it looked like AJ had it several times then the run ins happened (I was live for that if that helps your thinking any)? Where's the hurt pray tell? As far as Owens, I honestly think they should have let Owens win that feud and go on a tear....but I see where you're coming from. I don't blame Cena for anything bad that's happened to Owens since, that was all a case of WWE and it's booking.

Oh I'm not saying Roman harmed AJ at all. My point here is that Roman got over on him multiple times, and he's STILL a huge draw. My point is if Roman couldn't damage him, Cena won't be able to either.

Personally, I think they are going to treat the Club as the next Sheild and probably just let them run roughshot for a good while. They may even go NWO with it and have them add more members to keep intensifying their threat.

Oh please don't....If they want to add, we need ONE new member, that's it. Also it better be a damn logical add. The NWO fell apart when EVERYBODY started joining just to join. It became a wrestling equivalent of a whorehouse and it lost all credibility then. The Club needs to stay small, stay elite, and they need to kick Cena's fucking ass to the point that Cena has to call for help.

I agree the Club should remain small... at least for it's early stages, but I think there is going to be a clear divide between the 'new era' guys, and the old guard, and that could see more talent ending up with the club. Balor is an obvious fit given their history. You never know, the Young Bucks or Kenney Omega could get signed at some point. It wouldn't be a stretch to see the TNA guys (Joe, Ares, EY) joining up too just to give it that invasion style angle where outside promotions are taking over. It would be more like the Outsiders (Guerrero/Benoit/Saturn/Melinko) faction than the NWO.

The Bullet Club has a long history of being much more than 3 guys, but never growing too big, and nobody wants a repeat of the late NWO, except maybe DoctorStrongbad, so Hulk Hogan can come back and lead them....

At 6/3/16 11:48 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: The Bullet Club has a long history of being much more than 3 guys, but never growing too big, and nobody wants a repeat of the late NWO, except maybe DoctorStrongbad, so Hulk Hogan can come back and lead them....

The Bullet Club was awesome and feared in Japan. The nWo was an excellent invasion angle and stable. Never count out Hulk Hogan. He could still wrestle , or at least be a manager. We could see the return of Hollywood Hogan.

At 6/3/16 12:26 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: The Bullet Club was awesome and feared in Japan. The nWo was an excellent invasion angle and stable. Never count out Hulk Hogan. He could still wrestle , or at least be a manager. We could see the return of Hollywood Hogan.

Ignoring that Hogan could never really wrestle, wasn't he unable to even do the leg drop by the end of his career because his bones would literally explode?

At 6/3/16 12:52 PM, TheMaster wrote:

At 6/3/16 12:26 PM, DoctorStrongbad wrote: The Bullet Club was awesome and feared in Japan. The nWo was an excellent invasion angle and stable. Never count out Hulk Hogan. He could still wrestle , or at least be a manager. We could see the return of Hollywood Hogan.

Ignoring that Hogan could never really wrestle, wasn't he unable to even do the leg drop by the end of his career because his bones would literally explode?

No, bones do not explode. Hogan has had several injuries , and should not wrestle. If he had to, he could do light work like Sting or Ric Flair.

At 6/3/16 11:48 AM, PsychoGoldfish wrote: Oh I'm not saying Roman harmed AJ at all. My point here is that Roman got over on him multiple times, and he's STILL a huge draw. My point is if Roman couldn't damage him, Cena won't be able to either.

Reigns didn't "get over on him" to my mind. Roman beat him, but AJ proved in both matches that he COULD have beaten Roman, and that's huge. They put AJ on a par with him and that allows them to come back to it down the road with a clear and legitimate reason, and for the fans to buy into it. Contrast that with how John Cena feuds usually work, where he never sweats the threat, beats them silly, and renders them totally ineffective before beating them multiple times. He killed the Wyatts, he killed Rusev, he luckily didn't kill Owens but definitely took shine off him. So yeah, they could absolutely book this thing badly. If they book this like they booked Cena vs. Bray, then it'll be an incredible mistake.

I agree the Club should remain small... at least for it's early stages, but I think there is going to be a clear divide between the 'new era' guys, and the old guard, and that could see more talent ending up with the club.

There should be a divide, but that divide should not be done in the basis of a stable. To me that divide should be more along the lines of guys and gals that come up from NXT and are fresh faces vs. the folks who have been around for awhile and maybe are jealous of the attention and the shinyness of the new talents. You're seeing that as the basis for Sheamus/Crews and that can be done in other instances too without having to put a stable people have to join to manufacture it.

Balor is an obvious fit given their history. You never know, the Young Bucks or Kenney Omega could get signed at some point.

They could, but all due respect, their small as fuck, their spot machines. I'm gonna say no. WWE clearly pays attention to NJPW. I think if those guys got signed, it'd be as NXT only guys. I also don't want to turn Balor because then I lose access to The Demon part of his gimmick, and I DON'T want to lose that unless the audience is telling me they don't give a fuck anymore.

It wouldn't be a stretch to see the TNA guys (Joe, Ares, EY) joining up too just to give it that invasion style angle where outside promotions are taking over. It would be more like the Outsiders (Guerrero/Benoit/Saturn/Melinko) faction than the NWO.

TNA is not WCW. TNA is to WCW what the local indy running the local armory or high school gym is to ROH. Right now I think all the guys you mentioned are seen as either ROH guys, or the misused greatness of TNA. That brand stinks worse then shit in the fans' eyes, I've never seen three letters with more heat in this business (and yes, that INCLUDES the last year of WCW). Those guys to me also need to stay in NXT (which gets me a fuck ton of heat, but hear me out) here's why: How do you get better at a job and develop skills? Because you work with and around people who know more then you do right? That's a problem I'm seeing with some of the NXT talents that have come up (Charlotte shows it pretty much to me). If there's no one clearly better then you that you can work then you are only learning how to have good matches with your small clique of dance partners that are on your level. You never learn how to ACTUALLY work. Guys like Joe, like Ares, and like Baylor, Itami, these other international folks coming in WILL teach these young, WWE only folks how the fuck to work a match properly and that is NEEDED badly. Plus, they want NXT to draw as a touring brand now. That means there's gotta be some over and name talent that you can ALWAYS rely on being there. Seems win win to leave the folks I mentioned right where they're at.

The Bullet Club has a long history of being much more than 3 guys, but never growing too big, and nobody wants a repeat of the late NWO, except maybe DoctorStrongbad, so Hulk Hogan can come back and lead them....

It has that history in NJPW. But WWE has been smart about promoting this as like a family, three guys who are like brothers. They have used the bits they've needed from NJPW, and tossed the rest, as they should. To me you need to market The Club like The Horsemen used to be marketed: small, elite, the best workers in the company, the most ruthless bastards too. Make them a main event to upper mid-card machine that the faces can batter themselves against. If you don't know what I mean, go back and watch some classic Crockett Promotions stuff on The Network involving the Horsemen. The NWO started out that way....then it got waaaaay out of control.

RAW was hosted by Steph, Shane was not there. Teddy Long kept trying to influence matches, and was removed by security. Steph will be running Smackdown, as I predicted. There was no Reigns. John Cena looked lame as usual. The Vaude Villains won a match against Enzo and Big Cass by disqualification.

underrated/good Triple H matches,

Triple H gets WAY too much hate man, but he does deserve credit, what in your opinions are some underrated or good Triple H matches, ill shoot some

Triple H Vs Stone Cold Steve Austin, No Way Out 2001
Triple H Vs Daniel Bryan, WMXXX
Triple H Vs Taka Michinoku, Raw 2000
Triple H Vs Rikishi, Smackdown 2000
Triple H Vs Randy Orton, No Mercy 2007
Triple H Vs Jeff Hardy, No Mercy 2008
Triple H Vs Shelton Benjamin, Raw 2004
Triple H Vs HBK vs Benoit, WMXX and Backlash 04

Theres a few more I have in mind lol what are some of your faves?

Really glad I took a punt on those WCPW tickets now before they even announced who would be there. Roster looks great, and they've just announced my absolute favourite indie wrestler, Joe Hendry, for the show.

https://youtu.be/936tBSD5aKM

At 6/8/16 04:14 PM, TheMaster wrote: Really glad I took a punt on those WCPW tickets now before they even announced who would be there.

" Took a punt " means to keep something? In Football, punting a ball means to kick it away.

Roster looks great, and they've just announced my absolute favourite indie wrestler, Joe Hendry, for the show.

https://youtu.be/936tBSD5aKM

What do you like best about Joe Hendry?

Paul Ellering just showed up on NXT.

This a thing that actually happened.

Pls do insane rambling promos about the internet like in 1998.

At 6/8/16 07:54 PM, EKM wrote: What AJ Styles said in his promo resonates with a lot of what the IWC is talking about. John Cena always winning his feuds and the repetitive formula of talent falling into limbo. Rusev won his first match against John Cena and then lost the subsequent matches, which resulted in him losing all of his momentum. Bray Wyatt lost to John Cena multiple times and it took the entire Wyatt family to give Bray a win. He is not a threat. Kevin Owens won his first main roster match against John Cena cleanly and it was great, but lost the next two matches and is lost in the shuffle hunt for the IC title. It's just too predictable. That would swerve people. If AJ Styles wins the first match, he'll just lose the next two matches and won't advance in his WWE career. I know that the WWE is trying to protect John Cena since he is the face of the company. It's not fun when you expect things to go a certain way and they do. They have another chance to really do something else with The Club and John Cena.

Yes, John Cena buries talent and it is boring. The only brake we had was when he was injured.

Cena, will be doing this on Smackdown.

Reigns, will be doing the same crap on RAW.

It would be amazing if AJ or somebody else new was given the spot light.

I'd honestly like a Shield reunion so they can feud with the Bullet Club, put the title on Seth already so him and AJ can have some legendary matches.

At 6/9/16 11:13 PM, Ganon-Dorf wrote: I'd honestly like a Shield reunion so they can feud with the Bullet Club, put the title on Seth already so him and AJ can have some legendary matches.

I would rather see that, than Reigns just burying guys. If they left The Bullet Club go on a winning streak, it would raise their stock.

Tonight's RAW had an eight man tag team match in the beginning. Kane is trying hard to become a manager of RAW or Smackdown. It looks like Dean Ambrose will win Money in the Bank. That would set up Ambrose to fight either Reigns or Rollins in the future. John Cena and AJ Styles signed the contacts for their match. I really want AJ to win, but lame Cena will probably bury him. Paige beat Charlotte in a non title match.

I have a feeling this brandsplit is going to be terrible. At this point you might just choose which roster you like better and only watch one. Tbh RAW being 3 hours is a bit much. I might go with smackdown just because watching so much filler is becoming a chore.

As far as wrestling goes I am liking Lucha Underground more and more these days...

At 6/15/16 06:03 AM, BenwaHakubi wrote: I have a feeling this brandsplit is going to be terrible. At this point you might just choose which roster you like better and only watch one. Tbh RAW being 3 hours is a bit much. I might go with smackdown just because watching so much filler is becoming a chore.

As far as wrestling goes I am liking Lucha Underground more and more these days...

Thats kind fo what happened in the original brand split, and Heyman's SmackDown was out-preforming RAW. In reality, Vince liked that, it lit a fire under the RAW guys to try stepping things up. The problem was USA Network. They had the rights to RAW because it was the #1 show, and they were pissed when it was #2, so Vince pretty much had to nueter what Heyman was doing to save his TV contract.

Now, BOTH shows are on USA so there's no threat of that happening again. USA will be happy with anything that boosts ratings, and some proper competition may just do that. It's a chance for SmackDown to try new things while RAW plays it safe without a huge amount or risk. If SmackDown does get better ratings, RAW will adopt similar traits too.

At this point I'm betting SmackDown will be the playground for the majority of the "New Era", and RAW will use the established guys that are still somewhat fresh. I think the days of Cena being the main guy are finally behind us, and when Orton comes back, he'll get some top card spots, but won't monopolize them like Cena always did.

RAW will probably be the Roman/Rollins show for a while. Smackdown will start out as Cena ding what he did with the US Open Title stuff on a larger scale, having actually good matches with younger guys and not actually burying them (but still keeping his credibility up).