At 6/17/09 12:32 PM, Twilight wrote: Does Avie work for WWE or something?

Its a well known fact that Avie is actually Joey Styles >_>

Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but WWE blew it big time with Miz on Monday. Miz comes out from under the ring during the Battle Royal, and there's a perfect opportunity to have him eliminate Cena, and score yet another "victory" over him. So what does WWE do? They allow Miz to be thrown out of the ring by Cena and HHH. If HHH was going to win the match anyways, why not let Miz throw out Cena?

Oh, right... Had that happened, we wouldn't have gotten the Super Cena v Super Trips face-off.

At 6/17/09 04:24 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Oh, right... Had that happened, we wouldn't have gotten the Super Cena v Super Trips face-off.

They didn't even get the super face off. HHH pushed Cena out straight afterwards from behind. But I agree, your idea would have been FAR superior.

At 6/17/09 04:37 PM, DannyIsOnFire wrote:

At 6/17/09 04:24 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Oh, right... Had that happened, we wouldn't have gotten the Super Cena v Super Trips face-off.

They didn't even get the super face off. HHH pushed Cena out straight afterwards from behind. But I agree, your idea would have been FAR superior.

Agreed times three. I had teh same thought when I saw it unfold on Monday. It would have really helped out the storyline between Cena and Miz while Big Show still goes after Cena. It was the perfect timing for it and to The Miz's credit he looked totalyl capable of pulling it off right up until he ran at them full speed.

Haven't watched ECW yet but apparently there's gonna be a Championship Scramble for the title.

Since Raw's gonna be showing Trips/Orton in a Last Man Standing match six days before the PPV, it would surely make sense for them to announce a Scramble match for the WWE Championship as well. Have Trips/Orton end in some sort of dodgy finish (interference by Show, followed by Cena, followed by Miz) and let the five of them have it out at The Bash.

And finally since I really like the scramble matches I'd throw one in for Smackdown too. Probably including Edge, Jericho and Mysterio, as well as Hardy and Punk. Not sure how you could book that one though since Hardy/Punk has already been announced. Maybe Teddy could come out and say since Raw and ECW are doing it, Smackdown is going to follow suit and show them how it's done.

All speculation of course, but I'd love to see the return of the scrambles.

At 6/17/09 04:24 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Its a well known fact that Avie is actually Joey Styles >_>

SHHHHHH! Vince will fire my ass from .com if you say that out loud! Oh fuck...

Oh, right... Had that happened, we wouldn't have gotten the Super Cena v Super Trips face-off.

Which again shows you the biggest problem with RAW right now: they do not have anybody fresh anywhere near the top and they're doing nothing to make it happen, where conversely SD! has been building the pushed properties they got out of the draft. I don't want to hear the excuse "well, MITB gave us an excuse to put the belt on Punk and elevate him whenever we were ready" screw that, RAW doesn't need to have guys like Miz or MVP in the main events right now, or even a month from now, but they should be doing better at laying the groundwork for them to move beyond their current station at some point. But why do that when you can push the exact same people you've pushed for the last five years or so to such monstrous success. AmIrightguys?

In the past we used to blame HHH for keeping guys down but I think in thise case it has got to be Vince on this one. He doesn't seem to be able to see far enough ahead for days when his top stars aren't drawing becuase fans have seen them face off against the same people over and over again. Bringing up new talent is the only way to keep the product fresh but he seems to only want to work with what kinda works now instead of trying new things and building characters.

A couple of releases today.

From WWE.com: World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Raw Superstar Sim Snuka as of today, June 19, 2009. WWE wishes Sim the best in all future endeavors.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/10579908

From WWE.com: World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of SmackDown Superstar Candice Michelle as of today, June 19, 2009. WWE wishes Candice the best in all future endeavors.

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/10579966

I'm surprised that Candice managed to hang around for so long.

At 6/19/09 06:36 PM, pepeatumi wrote: I'm surprised that Candice managed to hang around for so long.

Myself too, they'd really done everything they could with her awhile ago, and I'm surprised she even got to return from the last injury.

The Morrison / Edge match was excellent tonight; but then again, we all know Morrison knows how to put on a match.

Came across ProWrestlingSCOOPS!.com on my Internet travels, and there was something about Kurt Angle implying he's returning to the WWE; GOOD, because his TNA crap was getting extremely stale.

Also saw a pic of Rey Mysterio WITHOUT his mask; a lot more regular-looking under there than I thought. I sincerely doubt anybody would be able to pick him out of a crowd. However, there is an advantage to that - he probably doesn't have a lot of paparazzi problems that way. :P

Continuing to scour the aforementioned website, yup, Ken Kennedy IS apparently set to hit TNA. Umaga hasn't been confirmed yet. Rob Van Dam has also mentioned that he & TNA have been talking recently - THAT should be interesting. On the other side of things, Roxxie Laveau (not under that name, exactly) has turned in her resume to WWE.

I KNEW I saw Lashley's head on a TNA commercial a while ago. Hopefully things will go better for him there.

At 6/19/09 09:49 PM, Assi9 wrote: Came across ProWrestlingSCOOPS!.com on my Internet travels, and there was something about Kurt Angle implying he's returning to the WWE; GOOD, because his TNA crap was getting extremely stale.

I heard that. He was on the Bubba The Love Sponge Show and mentioned that his TNA deal ends in August, and that he's been discussing a new deal with Dixie Carter, though nothing is guaranteed as of now. Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing him go back to WWE, particularly if its on RAW.

At 6/19/09 11:13 PM, pepeatumi wrote: I heard that. He was on the Bubba The Love Sponge Show and mentioned that his TNA deal ends in August, and that he's been discussing a new deal with Dixie Carter, though nothing is guaranteed as of now. Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing him go back to WWE, particularly if its on RAW.

I think Angle is probably just trying to work TNA a little for a better deal. Unless Kurt has given up the MMA talk, and gone through some kind of rehab to get his "issues" under control, WWE will not take or touch him. Given TNA's track record on the second subject, I tend to think they haven't pressed the issue, and given Angle's feelings on the subject I doubt he independently has done anything soooo...

I really enjoyed the Edge/Morrison match. They did a great job and put one one hell of a match. That was my favorite match of the night but the Jeff/Jericho match as well as the Punk/Rey match were also very well done.

As for the releases.. Doesn't suprise me in the least. Snuka wasn't doing anything and Candice was too injury prone.

At 6/20/09 11:37 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I really enjoyed the Edge/Morrison match. They did a great job and put one one hell of a match. That was my favorite match of the night but the Jeff/Jericho match as well as the Punk/Rey match were also very well done.

The Morrison match was great, but WWE still badly needs to give the fans more of a reason to care about this guy, other then just cutting promos on heels and having good matches. I do think they're starting to turn that corner finally but the sooner the better here. The guy has the goods, but unless the really make the fans connect with him, all the tools in the world won't matter worth a damn. I also agree on the other two matches. Sure in the end they're there to basically advance the Jericho/Rey issue with the main event adding a little more to the "is Punk a heel or isn't he?" situation. RAW creative should really be taking notes on what SD! is doing these days.

As for the releases.. Doesn't suprise me in the least. Snuka wasn't doing anything and Candice was too injury prone.

With Snuka I understand he got the blame on Taker's scary bump at Mania (he was cameraman) some people think Snuka fucked it up cause he was supposed to catch Taker, other people think that Snuka probably saved Taker's life. I tend to fall into the second camp based on my viewing of the thing. I think Taker just did not get the vertical leap going like he should have and was going to fall directly on his head so the best anybody could do was act as as much of a crash pad as they could there. But right or wrong, Snuka ate the blame, never got used again, and thus released.

Also Mark Canterbury (Phinneas Godwin/Mideon)'s son got released yesterday as well.

At 6/20/09 11:54 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Also Mark Canterbury (Phinneas Godwin/Mideon)'s son got released yesterday as well.

I didn't evn know he was there.. I didn't even know Mideon had a son. I just hope his gimmick wasn't running around naked like his Dad.

Tomorrow will be weird. Watching Raw with no breaks. I guess I'll have to pick what I think will be boring segments to get a bathroom break if need be.

At 6/21/09 08:08 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Tomorrow will be weird. Watching Raw with no breaks. I guess I'll have to pick what I think will be boring segments to get a bathroom break if need be.

That'll be like 90% of the show then! Ba-dum cha!

Seriously, WWE has I'm sure drummed up some curiosity now, so they really really need to have a good show tomorrow that will convince people to hang around, and maybe even to order the Bash.

This seems like a costly gamble to me. Just from a financial standpoint I wonder how much money WWE had to pay for the airtime. Commercials pay the network a ton of money, so USA would never give WWE that time for free. They need to make tonight worth it to make up for the cash they had to put down.

I do know we are getting a ppv type match, so hopefully the rest of the show will pay off too.

At 6/22/09 08:43 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: This seems like a costly gamble to me. Just from a financial standpoint I wonder how much money WWE had to pay for the airtime. Commercials pay the network a ton of money, so USA would never give WWE that time for free. They need to make tonight worth it to make up for the cash they had to put down.

I do know we are getting a ppv type match, so hopefully the rest of the show will pay off too.

Unfortunately, it's the same match we've had on multiple recent PPVs, and it sucked each of those times.

At 6/22/09 08:43 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: This seems like a costly gamble to me. Just from a financial standpoint I wonder how much money WWE had to pay for the airtime. Commercials pay the network a ton of money, so USA would never give WWE that time for free. They need to make tonight worth it to make up for the cash they had to put down.

The air time is covered in the agreement with USA, where USA is paying THEM x amount per year to make da show. The commercials being off however is going to cost USA a little since they keep the ad revenue there. But I'm figuring they're hoping the gimmick will get them the ratings which is their obsession. Where I go "what huh?" is the announcement in the press conference that they were going to refund everyone their ticket price that attends. Since I highly doubt Donald Trump himself wants to put any of his own cash into this angle, that means WWE is getting no live gate whatsoever from this show. Guess that might be a concession to USA there: since USA won't make money here, WWE won't either.

I do know we are getting a ppv type match, so hopefully the rest of the show will pay off too.

I hope that match pays off, as HBH pointed out, those two are coming off a really bad singles bout at WM so if this feud winds up being our SS main event from the RAW side they really need to deliver here and give us something special. I think they can since having watched the WM match, I think the problem was that they made the whole "if H is counted out or DQ'ed, he loses the belt" such a focal point, they absolutely killed that match. After everything Orton had done to him, this one should have been just a no DQ brutal fight between two men that were looking to take everything the other man held dear away. Last Man Standing will allow them to do that here. If they put out a clunker here, I just can't see a valid excuse barring serious injury to one or both during the bout.

Settle for a tie?

Well, there HAVE been worse RAWs in the past....... I had thought the Trump thing would have lasted at least another month, but meh, probably for the best; I guess Trump just wanted to get one last shot in.

R.I.P Santina Marella storyline
April - June

also Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase change their entrance music like fucking underwear

Pretty decent show. Great Last Man Standing match, bitch about the finish? Fuck you it's free tv. You shouldn't be getting title matches and changes on free freakin TV.

I have to wonder if the SEC thing affected Trump sticking around? I'm not the only one of course, but yeah, seems weird to have pulled that angle last monday just to dump it by this week. I really have to wonder if the SEC threats over this "sale" had anything to do with it. Sometimes the real world is more messed up then wrestling.

So Miz and Cena will finally have a match at the Bash. I don't expect Miz to win but I would like it if he got in some decent offense. I just hope they don't pull a Chavo and have Cena hit his finisher at the start of the match and end it there. That would kill any and all momentum Miz has built.

The Last Man Standing match was pretty good. It now leads them to the three stages of Hell match..I don't remember that last time they did that one.

I couldn't help but laugh when Vince and Festus had a brief moment on TV.

I guess that was the best way to drop Santina. It was kinda funny but it had run it's course. I wonder where this will leave Santino?

At 6/23/09 03:30 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Pretty decent show. Great Last Man Standing match, bitch about the finish? Fuck you it's free tv. You shouldn't be getting title matches and changes on free freakin TV.

Yes, I admit it was very well done, and it may have actually restored some of Orton's lost heel cred (mainly what he did with the crew member). The spot at the end with Trips was good, too - nothing like having the hood of your own car being slammed on top of you. :P

I have to wonder if the SEC thing affected Trump sticking around? I'm not the only one of course, but yeah, seems weird to have pulled that angle last monday just to dump it by this week. I really have to wonder if the SEC threats over this "sale" had anything to do with it. Sometimes the real world is more messed up then wrestling.

Que? Was there some whining outside of the franchise? It WAS horribly sudden....

At 6/23/09 08:22 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: So Miz and Cena will finally have a match at the Bash. I don't expect Miz to win but I would like it if he got in some decent offense. I just hope they don't pull a Chavo and have Cena hit his finisher at the start of the match and end it there. That would kill any and all momentum Miz has built.

Nah; they've played Miz up too well to pull a Chavo. Yet.

I couldn't help but laugh when Vince and Festus had a brief moment on TV.

Not to mention Festus actually MOVED while still in 'ANYBODY HOME IN THERE?' mode, more or less read the paper.

I guess that was the best way to drop Santina. It was kinda funny but it had run it's course. I wonder where this will leave Santino?

I agree; if anyone can get rid of a Miss ANYTHING, it's the Trump. :P

Funny how they did the editing to make 'the twins' completely separate, since Santino himself implied the hoax to Vince the week before....

Aye this was one of the better Raw's in recent times. The smackdown tag match was good, and the steel cage match be on Friday will be awsome. The last man standing match was very good as well in my opinion and much better than that shitfest they put on at Wrestlemania. Hopefully a HITC at SummerSlam won't be bad either.

Overall Raw was a step in the right direction this week but still lightyears away from what Smackdown has become.

k i watched about 90% of RAW and i haven't reviewed in a while so here goes nothing

The opening segment was a pretty solid one. Say what you will about Cena, the guy cuts a good promo. It was finally good to see him shut The Miz's mouth after all these weeks and i am actually kinda looking forward to seeing this match at The Bash.. do i think Miz will win?.. most likely not, i see this as more of a test for The Miz, to see if he can keep up with the main eventers.

The 6 man tag was an entertaining matchup, great high spots from Hardy and Mysterio, I feel they kinda buried Ziggler a bit, i mean if they are trying to push him, don't make him untouchable one week, then a total punching bag the next.. and just like Punk, i too was upset to not see Khali fly off the top rope, i just read a report that even Jericho feels bad for stopping it from happening lol

after the match Punk raises Jeff's hand in victory, but once Jeff realises whose raising it he shoves Punk aside and leaves the ring.. I'm not a fan of Punk, but I'm really into this fued. Very interesting to say the least. Also i heard that they're basing their decision of Punk heel's turn over the reaction he receives at The Bash.. judging by the recent weeks I think a full heel turn for Punk is on its way..

"YA FOIYED!" yelled Trump to Santina.. Santino arrives (but how... no way!) and shrugs it off. Don't worry Santino, I'm sure another cheesy, immature storyline is on the way for you.

Like i wrote earlier, Rhodes and DiBiase go through entrance themes as if they were underwear, but it doesn't mean i hate their new theme.. i actually like it a lot. A win for Legacy here, and even though it's painfully obvious that Rhodes and DiBiase will win the tag titles at The Bash, it's good to see both Cody and Primo get a lot of decent offense on each other in this match.

I Love it how Goldust is bringing up the past in his recent promos, talking about his electricution, hornswoggle as vince's "son".. and i never thought that WWE would ever bring up Goldberg again.. it actually caught me off guard there. anyways vince's "office" happened to be a bathroom stall that was at the time occupied by the one and only, Festus. After he was done he managed to walk over to vince and give him the newspaper he was reading.. all by himself! :D

I missed most of the I Quit match due to it being another HHH/Orton match... I'm sick of seeing these 2 feud with each other why can't Orton create a rivalry with someone else? like MVP (who wasn't even on the show tonight.. what the hell was up with that?) anyway i knew it would end in a no contest.. i thought it was a bit fishy that they were putting a PPV type match on for free, and also the fact that they did the match halfway through the show..

Miz is backstage trying to score with Maryse yet again.. Deja fricken Vu, am i right or what?

Now I know this Trump owning RAW storyline was causing a bit of controversy.. but i didnt think they'd just put an end to the storyline right away.. ah well they probably have a plan B up their sleeve.. maybe Vince might "die" again, who knows..

I skipped the divas match.. also how much are they praising that fucking bucket of chicken?! they're going crazy over it and yet they haven't even had a bite of it yet... must be that great huh?

I also paid very little attention to the main event, once again.. create new feuds WWE.. well i can see they are trying to make something new here with The Miz and Cena which isn't bad, Like I said about Punk before, I'm not even a fan of Miz's, but anything's better than these recycled feuds like HHH/Orton and Cena/Big Show.

Orton's on his way to his car, but surprise! Triple H attacks him.. i bet you could of heard a pin drop in the arena during this segment.. it got no reaction at all.. weak ending, very weak.

decent raw, but like many have said.. it's no smackdown.

At 6/23/09 01:23 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: and just like Punk, i too was upset to not see Khali fly off the top rope, i just read a report that even Jericho feels bad for stopping it from happening lol

I doubt very many people would disagree with you on that. :P
Also i heard that they're basing their decision of Punk heel's turn over the reaction he receives at The Bash.. judging by the recent weeks I think a full heel turn for Punk is on its way..
Yeah, pretty much sealed.

I Love it how Goldust is bringing up the past in his recent promos, talking about his electricution, hornswoggle as vince's "son".. and i never thought that WWE would ever bring up Goldberg again.. it actually caught me off guard there.
I missed most of the I Quit match due to it being another HHH/Orton match... I'm sick of seeing these 2 feud with each other why can't Orton create a rivalry with someone else? like MVP (who wasn't even on the show tonight.. what the hell was up with that?) anyway i knew it would end in a no contest.. i thought it was a bit fishy that they were putting a PPV type match on for free, and also the fact that they did the match halfway through the show.

Orton's on his way to his car, but surprise! Triple H attacks him.. i bet you could of heard a pin drop in the arena during this segment.. it got no reaction at all.. weak ending, very weak.

I pretty much disagree with every bit of that. It was a well-sold match regardless, and it didn't make Orton look pathetic - unlike the past month. If they're going to keep whoring this feud, at least they sold it well this time.

The Wrestling Observer is reporting that Matt Hardy suffered a torn abdominal muscle while taping the main event match for Superstars last night. The bout will be a triple threat match for The US Title featuring Kofi Kingston vs Matt Hardy vs MVP. It's being reported that Hardy is scheduled for surgery later this week, and there is no word at this point concerning how much time he may be out of action.

Poor Matt. I hope he recovers soon.

Haven't watched ECW yet, but according to Mr. Helm's twitter, The Hurricane returned!