At 10/13/06 01:26 AM, Kes wrote: oh looky my main account has more than twice your experience, level 10, gold whistle, elite guard private, and over 1000 posts.

but why the fuck are we arguing stats?

I wasn't, I was too busy not being a douche. kthxbai

At 10/13/06 01:29 AM, Kes wrote:
i was talking to goldenhammer

I know, but the voices tell me otherwise. >=D

At 10/13/06 01:26 AM, Kes wrote:

At 10/13/06 01:22 AM, Darsha2 wrote:

At 10/13/06 01:20 AM, GoldenHammer wrote:
yeah, half posts of your posts, but double of your exp N0000000000B!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLMAO

oh looky my main account has more than twice your experience, level 10, gold whistle, elite guard private, and over 1000 posts.

but why the fuck are we arguing stats?

lol you are the leader os the kitties? the master spammer? the lord of the crappy flash? good for you ^^

At 10/13/06 01:26 AM, F00D wrote:

At 10/13/06 12:55 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: You should be kissing ass for a priveledge,

get out

Why? Because I treasure NG? Because I think that it's something not to spam?

Let me put it this way: Spammers are moochers. Being able to submit flash to NG and have it hosted on NG is a priveledge. Likewise, getting money from, say, your relative is a priveledge. You don't deserve the money, they give it to you because they're NICE. But moochers view it as if they're entitled to the money.

You're not entitled to NG's bandwidth. Don't abuse it, otherwise it's YOU who needs to get out.

lol you are the leader os the kitties? the master spammer? the lord of the crappy flash? good for you ^^

aww Hell na this asshole go's around calling are flash crap?

Who the hell do you think you are, God, you don't judge all flash's that pass through the portal! you make up 1- 1 millionith of the people who do!

So untill you make something good! go blow a kitty!

At 10/13/06 02:37 AM, ElGhoulio wrote:

At 10/13/06 01:26 AM, F00D wrote:

At 10/13/06 12:55 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: You should be kissing ass for a priveledge,

get out

Why? Because I treasure NG? Because I think that it's something not to spam?

no, because you've got a big fat splotch of wade's shit on your nose, brown-noser

now get OUT

At 10/13/06 03:55 AM, F00D wrote:

At 10/13/06 02:37 AM, ElGhoulio wrote:

At 10/13/06 01:26 AM, F00D wrote:

At 10/13/06 12:55 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: You should be kissing ass for a priveledge,

get out

Why? Because I treasure NG? Because I think that it's something not to spam?

no, because you've got a big fat splotch of wade's shit on your nose, brown-noser

now get OUT

I think you have brownnosing confused with reason. Let me explain in simpler terms: STOP mooching off of NG's bandwidth.

Nice try, resorting to ad hominem attacks when you couldn't argue back.

As much as you're loved by spammers, most of the love is meritless. F00D or not, you sure don't know when to stop.

get SHOUT?

At 10/11/06 11:56 PM, WadeFulp wrote: They are kind of funny, BUT I have noticed they do get blammed, and then he resubmits them again without any changes until they pass. He has one flagged for this currently, but if he keeps it up, it could result in him being taken out.

Wade, regarding AWTI80D, I don't think he has resubmitted anything that was legitimately blammed. The one that is presently flagged was incorrectly flagged the first time, the day before you cleared all of the flags. When you cleared the flags, it was auto-blammed (as all of the flagged flash were), so he resubmitted it legitimately. It was promptly flagged again, this time as a resubmit -- even though the original submission didn't break any rules. He was flagged before, and you released the incorrectly flagged submissions manually, and he had to resubmit them that time, too.

This may have already been mentioned somewhere; I skimmed the thread and didn't see anything more about it, though.

At 10/13/06 04:04 AM, ElGhoulio wrote:

As much as you're loved by spammers, most of the love is meritless. F00D or not, you sure don't know when to stop.

Let me tell you a story about newgrounds.

Decades ago when the world was small and the lands were covered in brine and mayo, a wee tom fulp and wade fulp fish crawled from the ocean.

The tom looked at the wade, and in a very gurgley voice squeeked "Brother let us cultivate this land"
Unfortunately there were many predators on the land, and the Tom and Wade fish were eaten by the poopy pineapples.
Now these evil fruit hated evrything. They would dance in rage and curse at the sky! Sometimes their dancing would grow SO nightmarish it would tear the very land asunder causeing apealopes, cameljacks, and heldin beetles to scattle to and fro in an attempt to escape. And so, all the other animals pleeded with their god, a lighbulb named Dimitri, to bring peace to the land.
Dimitri laughed at the animals plight, and cast them into the shadows. Then he took a pee on them as they panicked. And Dimitri rules the earth for many centuries, often disguising himself as a pickle, dvd remote, and occasionally a fat greek woman.
Justice soon fell to Dimitri, as one day when he was tending to his bonsai tree, a wasp stung him, shattering his glass. Killed him instantly!
And out popped a wee worm from the ground.
"I shall build a website for cartoons" said the worm.
The other animals thought he was crazy, mainly because the internet had not yet been invented and the spice mines had grown dry. Did this matter to the worm? No! He cast the animals again into darkness and took a shit on their heads.
And so construction of the website that would one day be known as "NEWGROUNDS" began.
It was hard work. It was hairy work. It was spinny work. It was stinky work. It was gay work. It was bouncy work.
But work it was, and work they did until their own fingers fell right off their hands and clattered upon the ground like spoons upon a tile bra.
It was at this point the world exploded, thanks to a brutal storm that had been raging for 3,000 years. And the peices of the planet we once knew as earth crashed into the sun, blotting out the light, forcing the few solitary survivors of the great collapse to die slowly in complete darkness.

Can you imagine that?
Lying on a small peice of soil out in space. In the pitch black darkness. Waiting for your oxygen to run out!

A horrible fate to many, my dear ElGhoulio.

Do you understand now?
Do you understand WHY we do this?
I certainly hope I have shed some light.

Big old beets.

At 10/13/06 04:04 AM, ElGhoulio wrote: I think you have brownnosing confused with reason. Let me explain in simpler terms: STOP mooching off of NG's bandwidth.

lmao what? where did you get the idea that im a spammer? i have a 3.92 batting average and 5 portal awards. this whole thread ive mostly been arguing against spam groups, since theyve gotten so out of hand. i dont know where you got the idea that i was one of them. probably a rediculously stupid generalization on your part. due to the fact that i participated in and organized dailytoons, im automatically a "moocher," right? I bet you've never even watched a single one of my flashes.

Nice try, resorting to ad hominem attacks when you couldn't argue back.

nah im just trying to have some fun with ya but you're a real tight-ass.

As much as you're loved by spammers, most of the love is meritless. F00D or not, you sure don't know when to stop.

lmao what on earth are you talking about. loved by spammers? what are you smoking? im assuming weed, after the big deal that kitty krew faggot made out of the location in your profile. ah well i guess you're just paranoid then. i know the feeling.

At 10/12/06 03:27 PM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote:

At 10/12/06 03:25 PM, WadeFulp wrote:

At 10/12/06 03:24 PM, Adam wrote: According to what I hear you only worked on like 10 of those 78 flashes :P

Didn't I hear the account that I termianted was one of his alts?

Actually you terminated Squarehard.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SQAUREHARD!

no...no it can't be.... that was one of my favourite accounts!!

WHY!

WadeFulp if you want to make a real diff, why don't you just Punish Portal Abusers by Taking away B/Pers? eg all those ppl who abuse the system losing say 100% of there BP points would make their votes near useless.

HEY ELGHOULIO, STOP DISCUSSING WITH f0d

At 10/13/06 04:41 AM, PicPWNjo wrote: WadeFulp if you want to make a real diff, why don't you just Punish Portal Abusers by Taking away B/Pers? eg all those ppl who abuse the system losing say 100% of there BP points would make their votes near useless.

actually, if wade can find known b/p stat whores who regularly vote for protection points and not based on quality, this is a much better option then simply deletion.

At 10/13/06 04:46 AM, F00D wrote:

At 10/13/06 04:41 AM, PicPWNjo wrote: WadeFulp if you want to make a real diff, why don't you just Punish Portal Abusers by Taking away B/Pers? eg all those ppl who abuse the system losing say 100% of there BP points would make their votes near useless.

actually, if wade can find known b/p stat whores who regularly vote for protection points and not based on quality, this is a much better option then simply deletion.

But in order for him to do that he would have to watch from when those so call "Spam" flashes come into the portal and sadly wade isn't online 24 7. Then when those things come into the portal he would have to be watching everyone's vote and compare them each time a "Spam" entry comes to isolate those abusive voters. But it shouln't be just B/P he takes away he should take away EXP as well because even if you take awat B/P they will still have 5.00+ voting power since most of them are already past level 9.

At 10/13/06 04:46 AM, F00D wrote:

At 10/13/06 04:41 AM, PicPWNjo wrote: WadeFulp if you want to make a real diff, why don't you just Punish Portal Abusers by Taking away B/Pers? eg all those ppl who abuse the system losing say 100% of there BP points would make their votes near useless.

actually, if wade can find known b/p stat whores who regularly vote for protection points and not based on quality, this is a much better option then simply deletion.

of course it would. there is an account if i remember correctly that has 30,000+ Protect points and 4 Blam points. That person would of obviously just done a javascript:CastVote(5); on every flash under judgement completly abusing the system..

People like that should be punished. Deletion of B/P's points, perhaps even Negative
B/P points to reduce Vote power would be an excellent solution!

At 10/13/06 04:56 AM, Washu-chan wrote: But in order for him to do that he would have to watch from when those so call "Spam" flashes come into the portal and sadly wade isn't online 24 7. Then when those things come into the portal he would have to be watching everyone's vote and compare them each time a "Spam" entry comes to isolate those abusive voters.

or he could just check the voting history of certain users who he suspects might be abusing the system. he could get a better idea of who these users are by checking who votes what on certain spam submissions. he wouldnt have to check each and every spam flash

But it shouln't be just B/P he takes away he should take away EXP as well because even if you take awat B/P they will still have 5.00+ voting power since most of them are already past level 9.

yeah thats true

At 10/13/06 04:57 AM, PicPWNjo wrote:

At 10/13/06 04:46 AM, F00D wrote:

At 10/13/06 04:41 AM, PicPWNjo wrote: WadeFulp if you want to make a real diff, why don't you just Punish Portal Abusers by Taking away B/Pers? eg all those ppl who abuse the system losing say 100% of there BP points would make their votes near useless.

actually, if wade can find known b/p stat whores who regularly vote for protection points and not based on quality, this is a much better option then simply deletion.

of course it would. there is an account if i remember correctly that has 30,000+ Protect points and 4 Blam points. That person would of obviously just done a javascript:CastVote(5); on every flash under judgement completly abusing the system..

People like that should be punished. Deletion of B/P's points, perhaps even Negative
B/P points to reduce Vote power would be an excellent solution!

Oh you must mean that toocool guy. But before you go pointing fingers at people where is your proof? also look at the sign up date on his account as well as his level. He has been on NG for years and Over 300,000 flash movies/games have come through the portal. he could have watch a lot of movies and decided not to vote on the crappy ones while protecting the good ones he saw.

At 10/13/06 12:14 AM, WadeFulp wrote: I'd like to also point out that we are very lenient with all of you. However, some of you take it way to far and eventually we have to take action. It's like if the police let everyone kill a bla bla bla bla... lots of words...

Congrats for the 7,777 posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 10/13/06 05:02 AM, Washu-chan wrote:

At 10/13/06 04:57 AM, PicPWNjo wrote:

At 10/13/06 04:46 AM, F00D wrote:

At 10/13/06 04:41 AM, PicPWNjo wrote:

Oh you must mean that toocool guy. But before you go pointing fingers at people where is your proof? also look at the sign up date on his account as well as his level. He has been on NG for years and Over 300,000 flash movies/games have come through the portal. he could have watch a lot of movies and decided not to vote on the crappy ones while protecting the good ones he saw.

Oh well I guess that was logical. i shouldn't of made such a radical accusation. But you see what I mean that we should Punish people harshly. i like the Idea of Negative B/P Points. people could get like a 20% reduction on their vote if they abuse the system and since it was a massive drop already they'd lose uber voting power.

At 10/13/06 12:44 AM, F00D wrote: its mostly because they are ACTUAL dumbasses, not just pretending to be dumbasses like pretty much all the other crews.

LOL that is fucking grand. You ONLY pretend to be dumbasses and ONLY pretend to have shit flash skills. Thats to damn funny.

"HEY GUYS I GOT A SUPRISE!!! I really am NOT RETARTED I just always acted that way for kicks. LOL!!!"

At 10/12/06 10:34 PM, Fat-Badger wrote: being a bpb regular this has truely upset me, enough to wanna quit flash, goodbye newgrounds i officially anounce my retirement.

Oh no, what will the Newgrounds do without shitty flash and the artists who submit their shit flash and think they are doing a service by pointing out the systems flaws.

Thats like thanking Ken Lay for stealing everyones money and showing a flaw in business and accounting. Fucking stupid people.

At 10/12/06 10:01 PM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote: What a deliciously huge argument this has become.
Moar please!
We demand MOAR!

Is it a requirement for SS members to be incredibly wierd and annoying? I have just always wondered. . .

At 10/12/06 09:23 PM, F00D wrote: if thats true, then its wonderful to know what an all-knowing, unbiased, and fair admin we have running this site (ugh). but i happen to think that what you said isnt very likely.

Leave the site then retard. No one is stopping you. If you have such a beef with the people in charge you can voice your opinion by not coming. NOVEL!!!

At 10/13/06 12:14 AM, WadeFulp wrote: Some of you act like you have the freedom of speech here, and a bill of rights. If you think that you're stupid. These forums are public, but they are still privately owned. That means the owners run them however they see fit. The term public simply means anyone can come view them and post on them. It doesn't mean people have rights here and can do whatever they want or have to be treated fairly.

You're right in this regard since as you said, Newgrounds is privately owned. Just a critical question for you though Wade: You're stating that fairness is unnecessary here. Do you wonder why people think you're a Nazi anymore?

Regardless of whether you are fair or not, such a statement pretty much undermines your moral credibility in the public eye.

Not to mention that saying that users have no right to talk freely here (within legal bounds) is like saying "Oh, lets supress anybody that realizes that there are problems with Newgrounds." Your action of not deleting me right on the spot for my posts in this thread contradicts that mentality however. There must be some sort of speech right that you're enforcing beyond your legal scope as a privately owned company, hence of course users are going to feel they have some free speech rights that need to be upheld here when they are very clearly implicit.

Want to have the complete scenario you're talking about here? Get rid of the BBS (since no free speech pretty much means deleting just about every post ever made here, and the remainder would be redundant), and get rid of all forms of communication between Newgrounds and its audience. That also means get rid of the review system and any e-mail/PM means of contacting you through Newgrounds, or just delete users who review in a way you personally don't like, and who e-mail you or PM you in a way you don't like. See how long Newgrounds lasts without any free speech rights whatsoever. You'd be lucky to be even a 100th of the size you are now, after all, it's open communication from the userbase that allows you to improve the website in a way that appeals to the members here.

Point being, as long as there's free speech rights here (implied or explicit), people are going to recognize that they have them. Not everybody here is an ignorant child (although I know there are some here). All you can really truthfully say on this is that you're not legally required to provide those rights.

At 10/11/06 11:41 PM, GoldenHammer wrote: prepare yourself spammers your time has come! MWHAHAHAHAAHHAAH!

hehe

At 10/13/06 05:23 AM, FAB0L0US wrote:

At 10/13/06 12:44 AM, F00D wrote:

At 10/12/06 10:34 PM, Fat-Badger wrote: being a bpb regular this has truely upset me, enough to wanna quit flash, goodbye newgrounds i officially anounce my retirement.

Oh no, what will the Newgrounds do without shitty flash and the artists who submit their shit flash and think they are doing a service by pointing out the systems flaws.

Thats like thanking Ken Lay for stealing everyones money and showing a flaw in business and accounting. Fucking stupid people.

Well Newgrounds will truly suffer if Fat-Badger leaves. Most people love him, TomFulp's favourite flash of all time is "The Truth About Masturbastion" and it got TWO Front Pages!

At 10/12/06 10:01 PM, ZekeySpaceyLizard wrote: What a deliciously huge argument this has become.
Moar please!
We demand MOAR!

Is it a requirement for SS members to be incredibly wierd and annoying? I have just always wondered. . .

You obviously are intellectually challenged if you cannot understand what he is instigating

At 10/12/06 09:23 PM, F00D wrote: if thats true, then its wonderful to know what an all-knowing, unbiased, and fair admin we have running this site (ugh). but i happen to think that what you said isnt very likely.

Leave the site then retard. No one is stopping you. If you have such a beef with the people in charge you can voice your opinion by not coming. NOVEL!!!

How bout instead of SS bashing you post something constructive on these forums. This thread was created so people would discuss the rammifications of the mass deletion of one of the most known Spam series on NG. Wade posted here and we got admin insight and since then everything has been open for discussion. Its people like you is what Zekey was talkiing about. Flame wars starting over noting.

I find ignorance cute, but your mental retardation is just plain adorable.

Also if I wanted your opinion I would've taken illwillpress' cock out of your mouth.

Haha I love it when you guys lay the illwill card when you are defending or promoting people who admit to spamming the portal with shit. Its just way to funny.

And I havent deposited or voted in a long ass time. I dont deal with that shit anymore because it frankly doesnt interest me, I use the forums and nothing more. Its just these spam groups are a circle jerk of retardation. Saying the SS is anymore legit that KK or whatever other stupid crap is ridonkulous. If you admit to submitting shit flash that takes no time to make for no other reason than to spam the portal just to get a rise out of people you are pathetic.

Let me say that again. If you spam the portal with shit just so you can try to piss people you have never met and will never meet, off, you are pathetic. If you waste bandwith with spam shit no one wants to see you are pathetic. If you cause other peoples work they worked a long time on to obscurity and make them get less views because your spam shit is spammed onto the portal, you are pathetic. If you willingly know you are being a pain in the ass and continue to be a pain in the ass just for the sake of being a pain in the ass you are indeed pathetic.

The only reason I pick sides here is you SS and co. retards come onto the forums acting all self righteous and you have nothing to be self righteous about. Its stupid, you are proud of being annoying. Thats like proud of being Screech. Not even Screechs mom is proud of Screech.

At 10/13/06 05:35 AM, Suffering wrote:

At 10/11/06 11:41 PM, GoldenHammer wrote: prepare yourself spammers your time has come! MWHAHAHAHAAHHAAH!

hehe

An extriamly thoughtful post!

Flash by FAB0LOUS
-none-

Back on topic, portal is the right to freely express your feelings. Whether your flash is good or bad, if it passes obviously newgrounds loves it. HOWEVER, if the system is being abused, no WAIT raped this is where the line is drawn. because it isn't what the newgrounds love,hate or acknowledge but rather a bunch of people using this websites Voting Power ability to rigg a submission to exist is kinda going far. As I said adequete punishment should be taken in a situation like this such as B/P depletion

At 10/13/06 06:37 AM, PicPWNjo wrote:

Flash by FAB0LOUS
-none-

Back on topic, portal is the right to freely express your feelings. Whether your flash is good or bad, if it passes obviously newgrounds loves it. HOWEVER, if the system is being abused, no WAIT raped this is where the line is drawn. because it isn't what the newgrounds love,hate or acknowledge but rather a bunch of people using this websites Voting Power ability to rigg a submission to exist is kinda going far. As I said adequete punishment should be taken in a situation like this such as B/P depletion

Oh yeah, another thing: Wade has focused on the people voting 5 and those voting 0. He didn't make mention of 1,2,3, and 4 voters in his calculations that movies are passing because of 20-30 people voting 5's.

2-4 is also a passing score. I'm willing to bet that plenty of people are also giving scores in this range. A Flash movie doesn't have to be LOVED in order to pass. Furthermore, it only takes a minority of the Under Judgment voters to pass a movie. That's not even considering voting power which further skews the figure.

I can't believe that flaw in his logic almost went completely over my head. If that's the case, there's likely no abuse here, and Wade was just mad that the BPB could pass their movies because people vote honestly on what's good about it. That Intro sequence by itself deserves a 3 or a 4 imo.

I wonder why the BFB guys wouldn't just change the file slightly so Wade didn't need to delete them

im still mourning the deletion of the SquareHard account :'(

I'll admit it. I would fifend the BFB series. But now thinking back i should've thirded or fourthened it. Why did Wade delete ALL of the series instead of just the ones that were re-submitted. it seemed excessive IMO thinking about it logically. more rational opinions should be taken. For example if zekeys used his main to co-author that series would he have been deleted? since he was a popular and respected artist would Wade have deleted his account?

if he was already co-authored i apologise i don't know which people and what accounts co-authored it

Lets say hypothetically Adam Phillips, Comlock, Granfaloon, and other outstanding artists decided to spam the portal. Would they have been deleted or because of what they had already been beneficial to NG would they turn a blind eye.

Where do you draw the line on account deletion.

At 10/13/06 06:48 AM, naojason wrote: That Intro sequence by itself deserves a 3 or a 4 imo.

Exactly. But does that mean they should get credit for it 70+ times? No. If a more widely respected artist submitted an excellent (high scoring) flash multiple times (with no or negligable changes) for extra kudos, I have no doubt it would be stopped in it's tracks instantly. But somehow I doubt that's not too likely... though some would argue that there is one person who's been getting away with that for ages...