At 10/26/06 02:38 PM, PureGonzoMedia wrote:

At 10/26/06 02:28 PM, jmtb02 wrote: What's interesting is that the first game is original, the second is a ripoff, and the third is defining a genre.

Example? I could see what you mean from your 4 second series from my own point of view.

wut u on bout!? 4 scnd seris nt orginal!!! it a complte rpoff of wairowrez!!!

But yeah, I see what you mean. The first game was original (in the way that it hadn't been done in flash before), and the third kind of defined a type of "minigame madness" category. But I can't seem to fit Four Second Frenzy into the ripoff section. Ahh heck, for the sake of completeness, Four Second Frenzy was a ripoff of WarioWare :P

And there's a cae study of Jmtb02's theory :D

almost...

I think that depends on who you ask. I imagine the next one will get a lot of flak too, because some will feel that they copied your idea of a Flash version of WarioWare-ish game. And anyone unfamiliar with FSF would give them the flak they would have given you. At any rate, I think it'll take more than 3. But there is a middle zone that gets it worse than the earlier and the later incarnations. Surely you knew this was coming though. Borrowing a popular concept can't just be all good and no drawbacks.

Personally, I don't feel it's the originality factor people necessarily seek in games.

In my opinion, the only thing that a game can be classified based on is the "it" factor.

I mean if you almost completely rip off another game, but it has that "it" factor, it's going to do well.

What is the "it" factor? It can be a number of things. It can be improvements over a similar game, a similar game but with a popular social or political issue, or just something relating to current events.

At 10/26/06 03:04 PM, Conan-OBrien wrote: Personally, I don't feel it's the originality factor people necessarily seek in games.

But its something nice to bag on if people are feeling cynical.

Maybe three stages rather than three games suits it a little better then.

At 10/26/06 03:04 PM, NegativeONE wrote: Borrowing a popular concept can't just be all good and no drawbacks.

Borrowing or taking a popular concept for the sake of it is always bad. If you're inspired by it to do something similar, that's another thing. There's a big difference between thinking: "HEY PEOPLE LIEK THIS ILL MAKE IT AND EVERYONE WILL VOT FIVE LOLOLOL!!!", and thinking: "Hey, that's a pretty cool game. It's the sort of thing I'd like to have been involved in if I'd had the chance. Infact, I think I feel a burst of creative force coming along!"

The most important thing about trying to be successful is make it good. And not just good, but better. It's nearly impossible to be completely original, so just make your game the best of it's kind. Making a defense game? Great. Now add superb art, twists like gravity and wind, combo systems and explosions, and weather effects. Bam. Perfect defense game. And to make it even more perfect add a sequal in say.... sometime this winter/spring.

At 10/26/06 03:07 PM, Paranoia wrote: Borrowing or taking a popular concept for the sake of it is always bad. If you're inspired by it to do something similar, that's another thing. There's a big difference between thinking: "HEY PEOPLE LIEK THIS ILL MAKE IT AND EVERYONE WILL VOT FIVE LOLOLOL!!!", and thinking: "Hey, that's a pretty cool game. It's the sort of thing I'd like to have been involved in if I'd had the chance. Infact, I think I feel a burst of creative force coming along!"

Yeah, I can definitely agree with this. I wanna make a Jet Grind Radio themed game really badly. I just don't know if I could feel right doing it, because none of that belongs to me in any way. Advance Wars has also inspired me a lot. At least with that, I could just make a turnbased strategy with that inspiration though.
As far as some of the other posts, I can only really say this: A game doing well and a game being respectable are two very different things.

At 10/26/06 03:08 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: And to make it even more perfect add a sequal in say.... sometime this winter/spring.

One wouldn't possibly be hinting a release date for Nightstrike 2 would they?

At 10/26/06 03:25 PM, Nick wrote:

At 10/26/06 03:08 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: And to make it even more perfect add a sequal in say.... sometime this winter/spring.

One wouldn't possibly be hinting a release date for Nightstrike 2 would they?

Why, of course not.

At 10/26/06 03:27 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:

At 10/26/06 03:25 PM, Nick wrote:

At 10/26/06 03:08 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: And to make it even more perfect add a sequal in say.... sometime this winter/spring.

One wouldn't possibly be hinting a release date for Nightstrike 2 would they?

Why, of course not.

Supersoldier 2. Hust amke a sequel damn you!

By teh way, im still gobsmaxked at the fact taht youre such an expert, even though youre just 16. Are there any otehr young flash geniuses like that?

At 10/26/06 03:33 PM, zoy wrote: By teh way, im still gobsmaxked at the fact taht youre such an expert, even though youre just 16. Are there any otehr young flash geniuses like that?

Ah hem.

just kidding

But yeah, there are lots of younger Flash uber pros out there. Just look at Delta. That kid... well, let's just hope he never gets his hands on some plutonium and a few reels of copper wire, eh?

At 10/26/06 03:33 PM, zoy wrote: Supersoldier 2. Hust amke a sequel damn you!

Dan is kinda busy, but we do have a supersoldier++ planned

By teh way, im still gobsmaxked at the fact taht youre such an expert, even though youre just 16. Are there any otehr young flash geniuses like that?

there's a few

At 10/26/06 03:38 PM, Paranoia wrote: But yeah, there are lots of younger Flash uber pros out there. Just look at Delta. That kid... well, let's just hope he never gets his hands on some plutonium and a few reels of copper wire, eh?

LOLOL dr octavius anyone?

omg that was BAD.

im feeling stupid... dont mind me.

At 10/26/06 03:39 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Dan is kinda busy, but we do have a supersoldier++ planned

Supersoldier was a cool game. But going back and forth across the same map and facing the same enemies over and over again gets kind of repetitive. Don't you think?

the key to a good game is having me in it.. what do you guys think?

One day we will do something Glaiel ... after 30000 forgotten ideas lol.

At 10/26/06 04:22 PM, Masterswordman wrote:

At 10/26/06 03:39 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Dan is kinda busy, but we do have a supersoldier++ planned

Supersoldier was a cool game. But going back and forth across the same map and facing the same enemies over and over again gets kind of repetitive. Don't you think?

which is why we are planning a supersoldier++.... it's more of a level based system with bosses and stuff. A game rather than a minigame

At 10/26/06 04:23 PM, Luis wrote: the key to a good game is having me in it.. what do you guys think?

One day we will do something Glaiel ... after 30000 forgotten ideas lol.

i'm full of ideas

At 10/26/06 04:23 PM, Luis wrote: the key to a good game is having me in it.. what do you guys think?

Luis the game?

So...what would the plot be about?

At 10/26/06 04:34 PM, Masterswordman wrote:

At 10/26/06 04:23 PM, Luis wrote: the key to a good game is having me in it.. what do you guys think?

Luis the game?

So...what would the plot be about?

Luis: the buttsecks mission. Go around teh BBS and try and have buttsecks with as many n00bs as you can by using cheesy chat up lines such as 'u know, mods always have the biggest knobs' etc.

Id 5 taht anyday.

At 10/26/06 04:23 PM, Luis wrote: the key to a good game is having me in it.. what do you guys think?

I hope you mean you as a character. Because you as a group member has been an adventure in waiting <3

At 10/26/06 05:09 PM, zoy wrote: Luis: the buttsecks mission. Go around teh BBS and try and have buttsecks with as many n00bs as you can by using cheesy chat up lines such

Luis would not need chat up lines. Most of the noobs here would just jump on his cock before he could even get a word in. The game would be more like Luis trying to run from noobs.
I think Luis is the most referenced member in other people's sigs I see his name all over the goddamn place.

Leave it to Neg to ruin me as always.

ANYWAYS

I have a serious question.... Tom, (SFB) do you and your brother own suspenders at all?

I was seriously thinking about that while i was driving today...

SERIOUSLY.

At 10/26/06 07:09 PM, Luis wrote: I have a serious question.... Tom, (SFB) do you and your brother own suspenders at all?

Explain. What's that got to do with anything?

At 10/26/06 06:02 PM, JoystickX wrote: Ouch...segway from noob to Luis in sigs.

hmmmmm...... segway

Luis what if we make a game where you rid a segway and.... run over puppies or children or something

At 10/26/06 07:13 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:

At 10/26/06 06:02 PM, JoystickX wrote: Ouch...segway from noob to Luis in sigs.

hmmmmm...... segway

Luis what if we make a game where you rid a segway and.... run over puppies or children or something

for those wondering, i was actually refering to making a game with someone .. not literally being in one... its so embarassing when other people use my cartoon character me... its only ok when i do it or something.. thats why i could never have a luis day.. id kill myself or something.

-L

At 10/26/06 07:13 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Luis what if we make a game where you rid a segway and.... run over puppies or children or something

That would be heart wrenching, but sounds like his kind of thing.

At 10/26/06 07:09 PM, Luis wrote: I was seriously thinking about that while i was driving today...

SERIOUSLY.

Ok...

You are seriously creeping me out.

SERIOUSLY.

At 10/26/06 07:15 PM, Luis wrote: for those wondering, i was actually refering to making a game with someone .. not literally being in one... its so embarassing when other people use my cartoon character me... its only ok when i do it or something.. thats why i could never have a luis day.. id kill myself or something.

What about Island Invasion? Does that mean TOMMY is allowed or did you just avoid watching that one?

At 10/26/06 05:58 PM, TheZombieSheep wrote:

At 10/26/06 05:09 PM, zoy wrote:

I think Luis is the most referenced member in other people's sigs I see his name all over the goddamn place.

Just for that I'm referencing him in my sigy stuff now! And if its a game with luis it should be about his daily life, he teams up with the sfb to make

ANOTHER LUIS DAY

anyway lets move on.. im being disturbed just rereading.

Anyone else doing the halloween movie thing?