At 9/22/09 01:04 PM, hashbrown wrote: imagine a person walking in the frond and an ostrich walking in the back. thats from richard williams i believe. You should google tutorials , theres one with james baxter as well as many other great ones

I'm gonna cheat by not showing the feet I think. Time pressure. Thanks for the tips though :)

At 9/22/09 12:27 PM, citricsquid wrote:

At 9/21/09 08:19 PM, Zuggz wrote: Thanks for everyone's words, it has helped me think it all over.

Unless you legally signed a contract you're entitled to nothing

The fact that he and his partner agreed that he'd get 2000 is a contract, he is legally entitled to the money his partner stole from him, and I don't doubt that a court would rule in favor of zuggz to get the money. I just don't know anything about going through that process and how much it would cost or anything like that. He's definitely 'entitled' to the money though.

At 9/22/09 01:49 PM, citricsquid wrote: I can't find the damn program anywhere

I found something fitting this description, sound about right?
Sounds like a good view, I'll be sure to check it out.

A hard-hitting look at the devastating effect on small businesses of customers taking goods and services but not paying for them. The programme is presented by builder Nigel Gray, who hit the headlines when he demolished a brand new conservatory because a customer refused to pay the bill, bankrupting him in the process. Nigel goes on a quest to confront customers who owe some of the 38 billion pounds in overdue or unpaid bills to Britain's small businesses, and reveals the human costs of these cowboy customers. He also goes to Westminster to campaign for laws that will make it easier for businesses to recoup the owed money that could keep them afloat.

At 9/22/09 11:09 AM, Luis wrote: On the other hand, I dont think madness would have lasted as long as it did if it didnt develop atleast some shred of a story after awhile. Despite my desire to have it be the simple thing it was when i was into it.

I don't know - I think it could have developed aesthetically without losing its mindlessness. Like, different kinds of insane violence, different locations and experimenting with different art styles.

In other news, I swear anyone who needs inspiration for monsters or something should just take a wiki-walk through marine arthropods. There are some awesome species out there.

At 9/22/09 01:41 PM, citricsquid wrote: He isn't, really. A verbal contract while technically is a contract it holds nothing legally. I could say to you "You mow my lawn and I'll give you $10" and then not pay you and you can't do anything besides piss on my lawn. That's the problem with the internet, it's exactly the same and unless you've got the best lawyers in the world you'll get nowhere.

Except that verbal contracts are legally binding, if I had a recording of you saying I'll pay you $10 if you mow my lawn then I could sue you for those $10, but I wouldn't because it's $10 and for that reason it's a stupid example to begin with. The "best lawyers in the world" argument is also ridiculous the law doesn't change because you have better lawyers, it's either possible or it's not.

Proof is everything, if you can prove beyond doubt that he agreed to pay you $2000 for xx work and then didn't pay and therefore broke the terms, sure, but without being able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt you're not going to get anywhere. Emails count for nothing unless you can prove they came from him. It sucks, it really does, but that's how it works.

I really extremely doubt that it's true that emails can't be used as legal documents. The artist did sign a contract with addictinggames and zuggz mentioned trading emails with them, I would think a corporation producing emails and you producing emails that both show the same thing would be usable in court. Plus there's the fact that zuggz did the work, and it would be completely unreasonable to argue he was doing it for free, and then it's a question of how much money was he promised and all of the emails and reasonable logic would show that $2000 is a realistic amount and the amount he was promised. Also this is the united states, so some uk program, and uk law really have nothing to do with the situation.

Point being, it's completely ridiculous to say he couldn't get the money legally for the reasons you are using. Also while I'm admitting I really don't know what the laws are you seem entirely sure about what you're saying, which I don't see why you could be unless you've had some real experience with trying to retrieve money using the legal system in a situation like this.

One thing I hadn't noticed was that zuggz is in Canada, so I would think that complicates it a bit, besides that he couldn't practically get to california to sue the guy...

At 9/22/09 02:10 PM, Coaly wrote: One thing I hadn't noticed was that zuggz is in Canada, so I would think that complicates it a bit, besides that he couldn't practically get to california to sue the guy...

To complicate things more. I'm from Canada, the artist is from somewhere in the UK and addicting games is stationed in California. A triangle of death spanning 3 different countries.

At 9/22/09 02:15 PM, Zuggz wrote: To complicate things more. I'm from Canada, the artist is from somewhere in the UK and addicting games is stationed in California. A triangle of death spanning 3 different countries.

oh lord =_=

At 9/22/09 02:19 PM, citricsquid wrote: From my understanding and what I've seen unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the other party did in fact agree to it then you're nowhere and emails can easily be faked.

True they can, but ag has no reason to fake the emails, and I don't think it's reasonable to assume zuggz did the work expecting no compensation, which is the argument that would have to be made because he without a doubt could prove he did the work. Plus I think there were other people who contributed and got a split so they would be witnesses. Though since it's an international issue I have even less of an idea of the logistics but it's probably enough of an issue that having a trial is a fantasy...

I just didn't want "you are not entitled to the money" to convince zuggz to forget the issue all together. Also didn't read that he already emailed ag and such... >_>

Another point I forgot to mention is that the artist signed a contract with ag licensing something he didn't have full ownership to. That probably has some legal ramifications to.

But anyways... I hope the communications with ag goes well, and that the fgl guys try to help you out too.

You shouldn't need to get lasers involved, just tell addicting games that they'll get some bad publiciity if they don't help him

At 9/22/09 03:23 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: You shouldn't need to get lasers involved, just tell addicting games that they'll get some bad publiciity if they don't help him

I hope you're right. I've gotten in contact with the artist who now says he's planning on playing me but he needs to make the money to do so since it's all spent already... However true that all is.
I'd be super happy if he magically made 2k over the course of a week and sent it straight to me.

Also would be sweet to see a pig fly a jet.

It does seem like he wants to pay me but the main issue for me is... how long will that actually take since he apparently has none now? The longer I'm broke the more the interest shall rape me.

No reply from the sponsor but they're always terribly slow.

E-drama != fun;
Happy Madness day.

At 9/22/09 03:33 PM, I wrote: I hope you're right. I've gotten in contact with the artist who now says he's planning on playing me

*paying me*

God Damn lack there of a edit button.

At 9/22/09 03:36 PM, Zuggz wrote:

At 9/22/09 03:33 PM, Zuggz wrote: I hope you're right. I've gotten in contact with the artist who now says he's planning on playing me

*paying me*
God Damn lack there of a edit button.

roflmao freudian slip of righteousness.

@Zuggz, sorry dude. Definitely chase the sponsor up on it, they don't want any bad press about it, so will probably help you out and try to stop CE being a shitbag.

At 9/22/09 02:01 PM, Paranoia wrote: In other news, I swear anyone who needs inspiration for monsters or something should just take a wiki-walk through marine arthropods. There are some awesome species out there.

Cuttlefish = awesome. Just looking at them makes me so happy. Imagine an octopus, chameleon, Mr T, sting ray, and a lion fish had a baby together. They change colour, can ink, have tentacles, eat each other, incredibly smart, sometimes poisonous and tasty. My life ambition is to own one :D

Cuttlefish!

Hahahaha, anyone seen Rammstein's new video for their song German Pussy.

It starts off... reasonably innocent, by the end turns into hardcore porn practicaly.

http://visit-x.net/rammstein/

Good song though

Can't wait to catch that one on MTV. I doubt they'll air it though because the lyrics are too complex for MTV's audience.

At 9/22/09 04:51 PM, Xeptic wrote: Can't wait to catch that one on MTV. I doubt they'll air it though because the lyrics are too complex for MTV's audience.

Oh yeh, the lyrics. THAT's why they won't be airing it obviously :P

Rammstein

I love ramstein, not the music/videos just the way they make their music memorable. Good song though, i actually like this one as a track.

Cuttlefish

I love cuttlefish, they are fascinating things, and they have a huge amount of charachter for what is essentially a squid :P. If you want a cute cuttle, i found a tiny (1") one in a rockpool ages ago, the thing was bubbling around the bucket shooting ink.

At 9/22/09 03:33 PM, Zuggz wrote: It does seem like he wants to pay me but the main issue for me is... how long will that actually take since he apparently has none now? The longer I'm broke the more the interest shall rape me.

This is called a "delay tactic". You're better off getting the money from the sponsor then letting the sponsor chase the other guy down for the money. And dont be afraid to keep sending off emails

At 9/22/09 07:03 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: This is called a "delay tactic". You're better off getting the money from the sponsor then letting the sponsor chase the other guy down for the money. And dont be afraid to keep sending off emails

I hoping it comes to that but I first need them to reply to me.
Hopefully it won't take forever.

At 9/22/09 10:33 PM, zrb wrote: obsessed with art atm !

so happy i'm done learning the AS I needed
now more tiem for art <3

Lookin sexy buddddy!!! I could see how that'd be a bitch to animate in FBF, but as its just a still art (i think?) its lookin niiiice :D

At 9/22/09 10:33 PM, zrb wrote: obsessed with art atm !

so happy i'm done learning the AS I needed
now more tiem for art <3

wow man thats really amazing :)

I would love a giant ant farm as a pet. Easy to take care off and interesting to study their behavior and what kind of tunnels they tunnel.

Also poetry classes are going great. I'm doing some independent study on campus in my free time. I'm researching all delicious types of poetry... prose and haiku I plan to get into next though I plan to try my hand at writing a monologue.

Furthermore, funky picture is frighteningly funky. Hurray abstract photo-manipulation... or at least I think thats what its called. its fun to experiment with.

I've been very active these last week and few days off work and back at uni. Got a game I'll be uploaded soon I'm sure ya'll will giggle at and been doing a bunch of recording, composing, writing, practicing singing, makin arts, workin on some game docs, and thinkin up even more ideas for future. It's wonderful. I caught myself in somethin' nice.

i hate flash

Don't get me started. I wish Flash was a person so I could punch it in the face every now and then.

At 9/23/09 12:03 PM, fluffkomix wrote: i hate flash

I love my macbook :3

Oh apparently Bored.com have $500k to spend on flash game sponsorships atm. Get in there!

At 9/23/09 02:41 PM, hashbrown wrote:

At 9/23/09 12:18 PM, Xeptic wrote: Don't get me started. I wish Flash was a person so I could punch it in the face every now and then.

i wish flash was hooker so i could use it until i get tired of it, then kill it to get my money back when the next version comes out

What version of hookers are you using these days?

At 9/23/09 12:03 PM, fluffkomix wrote: i hate flash

Wow, really?
That almost never happens to me

At 9/23/09 05:44 PM, Magical-Zorse wrote: Wow, really?
That almost never happens to me

Only crashes for me if i cock up some code.

shit, i haven't done flash in ages

Flash crashes for me a bit. Thankfully I've learned to break big projects up before the final version when everything's done and is slapped together then touched up and uploaded.

Crashing sucks especially when you've spent an hour plus working on something important to you.