At 6/13/09 06:22 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: I may have missed out on many things so how is it going?
Is the reconstruction over?
Not yet, we're still working on it, mate. Here, what are your opinions on the following?
- Move the NGDD into a new thread
-Weekly Updates
-Probation Alternative
French tanks have six gears, 5 reverse, and one forward in case they are ever attacked from behind
I'm gone a week and this thing dies? We didn't even get that many to post in the thread again.
At 6/17/09 08:39 AM, TheThing wrote: I'm gone a week and this thing dies? We didn't even get that many to post in the thread again.
This might just be a sign, my friend. Perhaps the NGDD isn't meant to be. There are already B/P clubs which take care of all the issues the NGDD does. Maybe, as hard as it is to let go, this thread should be locked, with no more derivatives.
French tanks have six gears, 5 reverse, and one forward in case they are ever attacked from behind
At 6/17/09 05:11 PM, SupraAddict wrote:At 6/17/09 08:39 AM, TheThing wrote: I'm gone a week and this thing dies? We didn't even get that many to post in the thread again.This might just be a sign, my friend. Perhaps the NGDD isn't meant to be. There are already B/P clubs which take care of all the issues the NGDD does. Maybe, as hard as it is to let go, this thread should be locked, with no more derivatives.
No, the NGDD is meant to be. Just when the NGDD is in it's current state meaning it has no purpose at the moment until the LD System is released of course it will be inactive. I've said multiple times, i don't care if people are inactive. Once the LD System is released everything will be fine.
Dark, you need to step it up, though, if you want this club to stay around. I'm at the point of exhaustion from this Eagle Project I'm planning, and my time on NG has been severly limited. I don't even care that i'm missing spelling words. But I'm not going to be here much for the next 2 weeks between my project, Boy's State (a government thing run by the VFW) and a 10 day trip to Costa Rica. I'm going to need that trip just to unwind.
So please DarkSoldier, try to be more active andget this thing rolling past where it is.
At 6/17/09 10:09 PM, TheThing wrote: So please DarkSoldier, try to be more active andget this thing rolling past where it is.
I'll second that. A club can only be "clinically dead" like this one for so long before it becomes impossible to resuscitate, and this one lost heart activity a while ago. DarkSoldier, I know you probably have other things to do, but I'd ask that you try as hard as you can to develop the new system, whenever you can get any work in.
Okay, let me ask you this, crew. What will the purpose be if this place gets cleaned up?
Not only will it require a lot of time, and effort to maintain and keep it running, but also it has no future, no reason to be. What is the purpose of this club?
Is it to blam/protect, and flag inappropriate submissions? That is already taken care of in the Police Headquarters and Elite Guard Barracks, two crews already up and running, doing a good job at battling the portal. Perhaps we should devote our time to those crews and get something done, rather than put unnecessary time into this one.
TheThing, I know you've worked hard on this, but it isn't worth it. To be a man, we sometimes have to let go of things we helped build. Don't be the captain to go down with the ship, you're better than that, I know you are.
The one thing that aggravates me about this is, many people support it being rebuilt, but how many, in all honesty will actually help put their time into this, and take time off from other things they like just to keep it active? There wont be much discussion like before, and hoping for change wont make it happen. I'm not trying to be the bad guy here, I'm trying to help you move on and see the big picture.
French tanks have six gears, 5 reverse, and one forward in case they are ever attacked from behind
I really want to come back to the NGDD but there has been lack of everything lately. I know I wasn't the best leader of the Crew, but when I promised to get things done I involved everyone here in the decision making process and made sure everyone knew exactly what I was thinking of changing. People here need to see progress or they're going to question leadership.
That's where the problem lies. We've gone what, 3 pages in 2 months? That's ridiculous. Dark, if you need help from someone then you need to request it. Phantom and you are keeping a lot behind closed doors and while the club is submitting a ton of ideas, no one is showing any interest. I have a lot more free time on my hands lately.
Thing has gone a pretty long way for being as busy as he has been and a lot of people are submitting great ideas. Go back to the pages where I submitted my plans and you'll see the involvement I'm talking about.
I'm sorry to say but if this doesn't get anywhere soon I'll leave for good. I keep coming back willingly to join, but there hasn't been as much lately as I've wanted to see. Maybe I won't make a difference, but to me this place has been pretty cool on Newgrounds. Been coming to this club since I was 16.
If you need help, ask. Don't keep everyone in the dark, is all I'm trying to say.
Yea, I farm Anal Penguins. Do something about it.
Alright, so you guys want to know what's going on? Alright, I'll let you guys know.
Me and Phantom have been talking about the NGDD. We've gotten some good ideas. We're progressing towards making a final build of the LD System. There's still some issues that need to be addressed.
I think some of you will like the ideas that we have come up with for the LD System. Some of you might not..? I don't know that. We'll just have to wait and see.
I have been checking all the ideas posted here. I take note of all of them. Trust me. I am reading every post here. I might not be posting but I am always watching and reading this thread. I guarantee you that.
I will post some of the ideas later. I have to go eat now. The reason i post this now and not when I'm done eating is because I'm sure one of you is typing something as I type this telling me how I'm not active. So yea, you'll be hearing some of my ideas when I'm done eating.
At 6/19/09 06:47 PM, Lizzardis wrote:At 6/19/09 06:31 PM, DarkSoldier wrote: So yea, you'll be hearing some of my ideas when I'm done eating.Enjoy your meal. We will be waiting for some of your good ideas because I can agree with APF on the leadership issue. I'm not one to question leaders but from what I can see....He is right.
Damn, i didn't get to go on my computer when i was done eating and now I'm about to leave to go somewhere.
Sorry for the setbacks.
You guys won't believe what happen yesterday.
I was writing the post of the ideas i had for the LD System and I was almost done but i accidentally closed Firefox and BAM! EVERYTHING WAS ERASED!!!!
It pisses me off so much, i wrote like 7000 words. I'm going to re-attempt to write this again but god damn it this is really the tip of iceberg. Fucking bullshit firefox.
I'm sorry DarkSoldier The LD system been so slow coming and I have to agree with APF I don't want this club to die it has been dead lately. I hate to admit that I find myself losing interest I want to be excited like it used to be. As said others clubs do the same I miss the old chatter here. I know its takes time I want to see this club busy not dead. But I get what happened and that sucks.
Archer I'm a good shot!
Sorry guys, but I guess it's just my time to leave this place. It's realistically gone downward since I originally became a member here. I'm sorry everyone but maybe I'm just losing NG altogether in my life. I'll see you all around the BBS once in a while, but this will be my last post here. Thanks for everything guys.
Yea, I farm Anal Penguins. Do something about it.
At 6/27/09 09:29 AM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: Sorry guys,
I'm sorry to see you go Anal. You were a good leader, and a great friend. Hopefully you'll stop by every once in a while to say hello or something.
I can also see why you would leave this place, and I don't blame you. This place has become extremely inactive, even after I PMed all of the members and got a positive from 95% of them. I go away for a week and no one posts. As of right now, there are only 5 committed members; me, Dark, Phantom, Short and Supra, and I'm not sure how committed Phantom and Supra are, either.
Personally, Ithink this should be shut down. It was great while it lasted, and with a lock, it can be revisited again and again to relive all of the old, nostalgic memories. But the NGDD is a nothing to do anymore, and there's no one around. We need to lock this thread before it becomes just a pathetic group of guys sitting around, talking about the old days and allowing their place to crumble.
Don't get me wrong; I love the NGDD just as much as any of you, but because I love it so much, I hate to see it like this. Who's with me.
At 6/27/09 10:48 PM, TheThing wrote: Don't get me wrong; I love the NGDD just as much as any of you, but because I love it so much, I hate to see it like this. Who's with me.
I'm somewhat divided against myself in this matter. On the one hand, I do hate seeing the place in such a weakened state. On the other, I'm not just yet ready to give up, not without at least one last try, preferably more. I'm just not the type to give up so easily.
This next part is to DarkSoldier:
Dude, I know you've got shit to do. We all do. But I don't exactly want to give up on the club just yet, and perhaps someone here feels like I do. So I'd ask for you to try again to post the current state of LD system development, for two reasons. One, so that we can have some discussion, pass some ideas around, maybe suggest some improvements. And two, so we can see how much effort you're putting in, and decide if we're willing to go along, or if we'd rather leave.
Either way, something's got to change around here, big time. Almost everyone here liked it when it was active, and everybody seems to be rather sad to see it so close to death. DS, the choice is up to you, more than anyone else, right now: you can give this thread a jump-start and possibly revive it, or you can ask someone with power to lock this thread and leave it to memory. Your move, man.
Hate to say I agree with APF about the club hoping that it would improve but I have seen how inactive it has become. I have not been happy here its always lacked the feeling of fun the thread got really depressing through no fault of there own. I have tried to post but I think I may quit unless something happens. The LD system may work but I want to be in a club where its fun and not so empty t. I hate to say I don't quite get the point of this club. I'm all for a new improved NGDD bit nothing has happened. Sorry APF you have such a rough time of it and you were all for this club I know but I feel that is more of a chore then pleasure so goodbye maybe for now.
Archer I'm a good shot!
At 6/27/09 10:48 PM, TheThing wrote:At 6/27/09 09:29 AM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: Sorry guys,I'm sorry to see you go Anal. You were a good leader, and a great friend. Hopefully you'll stop by every once in a while to say hello or something.
I can also see why you would leave this place, and I don't blame you. This place has become extremely inactive, even after I PMed all of the members and got a positive from 95% of them. I go away for a week and no one posts. As of right now, there are only 5 committed members; me, Dark, Phantom, Short and Supra, and I'm not sure how committed Phantom and Supra are, either.
I am committed to follow the club's guidelines, and extend upon them myself, but there was no reason for me to post. I love helping new members out; it's self rewarding, something no medal can be gifted to you. It's an incredible experience to watch as a new flash artist in the making, and helping em' out step by step. When they finally submit something that passes judgment, it feels terrific. Don't label me down as an enemy, I've enjoyed being in this club (pissing off Phantom for change was an added side-bonus ;P) but I felt from the minute the LD system was announced, that the club wouldn't survive. It had no reason to other than it being a lounge for us, which is why I think it would be best to lock it, and reminisce about the "good ol' days."
TheThing, you've said it best.
Personally, Ithink this should be shut down. It was great while it lasted, and with a lock, it can be revisited again and again to relive all of the old, nostalgic memories. But the NGDD is a nothing to do anymore, and there's no one around. We need to lock this thread before it becomes just a pathetic group of guys sitting around, talking about the old days and allowing their place to crumble.
Don't get me wrong; I love the NGDD just as much as any of you, but because I love it so much, I hate to see it like this. Who's with me.
I am.
French tanks have six gears, 5 reverse, and one forward in case they are ever attacked from behind
Kool club can i join the Club so far i have 200b/p points but normal whistle stats and just 12 reviews i want to join the flash department!!!!!!!!!
At 6/28/09 02:27 PM, nexusknight wrote: Kool club can i join the Club so far i have 200b/p points but normal whistle stats and just 12 reviews i want to join the flash department!!!!!!!!!
We're not accepting new members now, and might never again if things keep going as they are. Might want to learn to read at least the last few pages of a topic before posting.
At 6/28/09 02:59 PM, SoulMaster71 wrote:At 6/28/09 02:27 PM, nexusknight wrote:We're not accepting new members now, and might never again if things keep going as they are. Might want to learn to read at least the last few pages of a topic before posting.
Ok then wanna recreate this club?
At 6/28/09 03:01 PM, nexusknight wrote: Ok then wanna recreate this club?
Not exactly. See, when a club dies, it can't be recreated so easily as just starting a new thread. So the fate of this club, whether it will live on, perhaps, for a few more years, or whether it will die and be confined solely to memory, depends on the acts of one NG user, and that user hasn't made his next move just yet, if he's planning to move at all. We're all waiting on that.
Sadly, I'm not going to be able to find out whether this club will make it until July 9th. I'll be in Costa Rica, and I doubt I'll have much access to a computer done there.
Hopefully the right decision will be made, whatever that is, and this club can begin to move on.
At 6/28/09 08:56 PM, TheThing wrote: Sadly, I'm not going to be able to find out whether this club will make it until July 9th. I'll be in Costa Rica, and I doubt I'll have much access to a computer done there.
Hopefully the right decision will be made, whatever that is, and this club can begin to move on.
If the club rides on one member then it is a sign that it should be discontinued.
French tanks have six gears, 5 reverse, and one forward in case they are ever attacked from behind
thats sad the club has to end aleast you made it though 2 years (=^_^=)
At 7/1/09 10:34 AM, ShortMonkey wrote: I hate to support the downfall of the NGDD, but now that TheThing wants to shut it down, I'll have to agree. I've been so busy and will continue to be busy. The NGDD is a great idea but too much for just one website. A mini-organization that helps many other websites would probably be better.
Alright. It seems that we've all reached a consensus to lock this thread, and preserve its great memories. I'll contact a moderator immediately. Well NGDD, it has been fun, especially under APF's and Phantom's great leadership.
Shortmonkey, only recently have I gotten to know you, and that was working on the collaboration. TheThing, PhantomLassuk, DarkSoldier, and everyone else, it was a pleasure being here and I hope to see you all on the forums.
French tanks have six gears, 5 reverse, and one forward in case they are ever attacked from behind
Alright, i think it's time for me to post. So I'm very sorry about not posting the ideas for the LD System. I got sick with fever, sore throat and i kept throwing up. Not exactly my perfect week. Then a few days ago my computer wouldn't work. I don't know why but it wouldn't. So i had to re-format. Good thing was i had re-formatted like 4 weeks ago so i already had most of files saved except for the New LD System Document i had created... but not to worry. I still remember most of the ideas and i still have the previous documents of the LD System. I'll now re-write the ideas for the LD System. It's going to take a few hours but you guys will get your LD System Ideas.
Now I'll start off by quoting some people.
At 6/27/09 10:48 PM, TheThing wrote:
We seriously need to talk man. I don't know if you still go on that Yahoo Messenger account you gave me but we need to talk.
I can also see why you would leave this place, and I don't blame you. This place has become extremely inactive, even after I PMed all of the members and got a positive from 95% of them. I go away for a week and no one posts. As of right now, there are only 5 committed members; me, Dark, Phantom, Short and Supra, and I'm not sure how committed Phantom and Supra are, either.
Phantom is committed. He's just busy with life (work, etc.). I keep him aware of the big things going on in the NGDD and he checks this place from time to time. Not as much as he'd like but he does.
Personally, Ithink this should be shut down. It was great while it lasted, and with a lock, it can be revisited again and again to relive all of the old, nostalgic memories. But the NGDD is a nothing to do anymore, and there's no one around. We need to lock this thread before it becomes just a pathetic group of guys sitting around, talking about the old days and allowing their place to crumble.
See, this is why we need to talk. I'm at one end of the table saying how I don't care if the NGDD becomes inactive because once the LD System is released the NGDD will become active again. And you're on the other side saying how you think this place should be locked before it becomes a pathetic group of guys sitting around. This place won't become a "pathetic group of guys sitting around" because now all the active NGDD members are leaving, saying goodbye, etc. So really we need to get the NGDD Administration on one side of the table. I already have Phantom informed of most if not all my actions towards the NGDD.
At 6/27/09 11:44 PM, SoulMaster71 wrote:This next part is to DarkSoldier:
Dude, I know you've got shit to do. We all do. But I don't exactly want to give up on the club just yet, and perhaps someone here feels like I do. So I'd ask for you to try again to post the current state of LD system development, for two reasons. One, so that we can have some discussion, pass some ideas around, maybe suggest some improvements. And two, so we can see how much effort you're putting in, and decide if we're willing to go along, or if we'd rather leave.
I'm going to be honest with you. I have lost a tremendous amount of motivation in working with the LD System. There are great ideas for it but it just seems like a drag. Though, i will continue to work on it. I promised the NGDD a system and I will deliver that system hopefully soon because i am really upset with myself and the amount of time i have taken just to get things done. Anal had faith in me when he put me as NGDD General and I have failed him. I'm not proud of that.
And you will get the ideas I have for the LD System.
Either way, something's got to change around here, big time. Almost everyone here liked it when it was active, and everybody seems to be rather sad to see it so close to death. DS, the choice is up to you, more than anyone else, right now: you can give this thread a jump-start and possibly revive it, or you can ask someone with power to lock this thread and leave it to memory. Your move, man.
Look, this is why i said i don't care if this place is active or not. I prefer it when it's active because then I have you guys to comment, give suggestions/ideas to the LD System and all. I know i haven't posted any big ideas for the LD System yet but I will today.
I would never have this place locked. I would rather see it become completely inactive then have it locked.
At 6/28/09 09:26 PM, SupraAddict wrote:If the club rides on one member then it is a sign that it should be discontinued.
No it's a sign that I've been keeping you guys in the dark which is something else I'm not happy with.
Laura Doffman System - List of Ideas v0.1
So here is my re-attempt in writing the list of ideas I had previously written but got deleted because of me accidentally closing Firefox. I hope I do not forget any ideas that I had and that I explain the ideas clearly so that you all understand. A lot of these ideas came from a conversation I had with Phantom.
The 5 NGDD Departments:
BBS Department
Flash Department
Audio Department
Art Department
Internal Affairs Department
Now you'll notice there's no "Portal Department". I never understood why the Portal Department was not a sub-department in the Flash Department. Well now all the departments protect their respective portal.
Art - Art portal
Audio - Audio Portal
Flash - Flash Portal
NO PORTAL DEPARTMENT.
The point system in the NGDD will be like the XR System. There will be no "NGDD Points". Each department has it's own set of points.
Art - Art Points
Audio - Audio Points
Flash - Flash Points
BBS - BBS Points
Internal Affairs (?) - I don't know if the IA (Internal Affairs) Dept. will have it's own set of points. You guys should discuss this.
Points will be handed out like in the XR System. By doing certain things you earn points. Though, you can only points for the department you're in. You can't earn BBS Points if you're in the Art Department. Or you can't earn Audio Points if you're in the Flash Department.
The NGDD will have missions again. Though, these missions will be much much different from what they were in the XR System. Missions can only be ran by Department leaders. Department leaders are encouraged to run missions and most likely will have to run a minimum of 2 missions a month. Missions have to do with something based on the Department name. So if you're the Flash Department Leader. You have to have missions based on Flash. And your whole department must participate unless they have a valid excuse validated by the Internal Affairs Department. I hope you guys understand this. This part was something i had much trouble writing the time before i closed Firefox accidentally.
Missions will be like:
E.g.
Review these 10 flash movies/games based on the following criteria: blah blah blah, I haven't really came up with the criteria yet.
Unpublished Submission
If you have already written a review for one of these Flash Movies/Games do not attempt to submit it as one of your 10 reviews. Yeah, you'll have to submit the 10 reviews to your Department Leader or Head Secretary. Meaning, someone isn't going to go through your flash reviews to see if you wrote them or not. YOU MUST PROVIDE THE DIRECT LINKS TO YOUR REVIEWS IN A PM TO YOUR DEPARTMENT LEADER! So back to what i was saying about if you had already written a review for one of those 10 flash movies/games. You'll have to write a review for one (or more depending on how many flash movies/games you already had a review written for) of these 10 flash movies/games.
Unsuitable Submission
This submission contains age-rated material and requires an account to view.
If you do not write 10 reviews then you do not gain or lose anything but it is highly recommended that you don't drop out.
Anyways... i hope you guys understood this part about Missions. It was hard to explain it when i was first writing it and it was certainly not easy writing it a 2nd time.
Next Stop: NGDD Ranks
The NGDD will have ranks. Department Ranks. Each Department will have it's own set of ranks. Each Department will have a Leader and a Secretary. *Please exclude the Internal Affairs Department from this conversation*
Not all the ranks have been decided for the Departments yet.
The secretary's role will be calculating the points for members. We know 1 secretary can't just be the one calculating all the points for the people in the Department. So we'll have sub-secretary's. Sub-secretary's will be given members to calculate their points.
E.g.
Secretary1 - User1, User2, User3 and User4
Secretary2 - User5, User6, User7 and User 8
Secretary3 - User 9, User10, User11 and User12
Secretary4 - User 13, User14, User15 and User16.
The NGDD will have weekly roster updates. I think monthly updates is just too long and it will make it harder to calculate the points. The secretary's will have to give all the points they have calculated for each member to the Department Leader, she/he will then make sure all those point calculations seem fine and will send it off to the Internal Affairs Department which will make the NGDD Weekly Roster Updates.
Contests
I'm not sure if the NGDD will have contests. The contests will most likely have to be Department based as well. And if there are contests, I don't know what prizes will be given. Maybe just points?
Remember, the LD System is something which i can use to build the new official system for the NGDD known to be called the New-NGDD System. So things can be changed.
Now a quick summary on the 5 Departments:
Art: The Art Department will be based on submitting Art in the Art portal, protecting the Art Portal from spammers, scouting people THAT ARE worthy of being scouted. And posting in the Art Forum.
Audio: The Audio Department will be based on submitting Audio in the Audio Portal, protecting the Audio Portal from spammers, posting in the Audio Forum and reviewing audio submissions (this includes giving constructive criticism).
Flash: The Flash Department will be based on submitting Flash in the Flash Portal, whistling abusive reviews/flash movies & games, protecting the Flash Portal from spammers, posting in the Flash Forum and reviewing Flash submissions (this includes giving constructive criticism).
BBS: The BBS Department is based on being a role-model for the other BBS posters, posting good posts, alerting the mods of spam, no backseat modding, creating threads and being an active BBS poster.
Internal Affairs: The Internal Affairs Department is the NGDD Administration. All big decisions will be handled right here. To join the IA Dept. you must be a member of the NGDD for at least 2 months. BEING PART OF THIS DEPARTMENT DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE A NGDD ADMIN! It just means you're involved with all the big decisions being made.
NGDD Forum:
The NGDD will have a forum. Here, we can discuss private issues. Things we don't want the public to see or know.
The forum will not replace the DoDBot account.
The NGDD forum will look like a PHPBB3 forum.
On the NGDD Forum, we will have polls when a user wishes to join. Now only the department that the user wishes to join will be able to vote in that poll. Everyone else in the NGDD can only give their OPINION on the user. Their will be a probation system in the NGDD.
Conclusion:
I pretty much hope I haven't not forgotten any ideas. I think these were all the ideas i talked about the 1st time i wrote this. There are still many more ideas but I have yet to develop those ideas. I hope you guys understood all these ideas too. They weren't easy to write a 2nd time. I feel as if this time my post is a bit more sloppy than when i wrote it the first time. Oh well... i only have like 40 characters remaining...
So thanks for reading and i hope to get a lot of feedback!
Thanks, John~
All right, didn't get to read the ideas until now, but better late than never, right? They sound good, but here's my two cents:
1. Departments. Same old system I've always known, basically. But take note of this: we're going to need a sixth if and when the staff puts out the Literature Portal.
2. Points. I was thinking about a new point system myself, and I considered this. Say a member of the BBS Department joined at 1000 posts, and now has around 3000. He's been here for, oh I don't know, let's say a year. A user then comes in with 10,000 posts. The experienced club member is automatically lower than Mr. 10,000, just because of his lower post count.
So what I was thinking was, why not have stats from after the end of probation (that is, after full membership is attained) count maybe 2, 3, 4 times more than stats earned before that. Someone would have to put stats at the time of acceptance on the DoDbot account, so that stats could be tracked from there. Consider it like job experience: if you're working at Microsoft, as far as performance-based judgment goes, you're judged mainly on how good a job you've done at Microsoft, not in your previous job at Apple (though previous job experience is, of course, an important factor in hiring). So that's my idea.
3. Probation. The vast majority of users are going to need it, obviously. And some are going to need it more than others: imagine an ex-spammer, a former BBS troll, or joining. We're going to need a longer period to be assured he's reformed. And if a mod joins (unlikely, but possible), there's no reason not to let them in without probation. Probation periods will need to be decided on a case-by-case basis, I think.
4. Purpose. I think I stated my feelings about this last page, but I don't know if people saw, so I'll post them again here:
I'm thinking the purpose should be the same as I've always seen it to be, the same one set out on the first page of the original thread (not at the top, but somewhere on the page wondermuffin its creator gave it the purpose): to "defend NG from spammers, stupid clubs, ripp-offs etc" (his own words and misspellings, not mine), to "defend NG from dumb entries, whistle them, look for entries and clubs that are against the rules etc", by setting a good example, by voting fairly, by making quality submissions where applicable, by avoiding the known qualities of undesirable users (spammers, trolls, and rule-breakers, just to name a few), and by generally contributing positively to Newgrounds and its community.
I'll also add this: we're more than a bunch of goody-two-shoes. Sure we lead by example, but we lead with activity. That means flagging, fair B/P (no mass-voting or savewhoring, of course), that sort of thing. If there's something we can't deal with ourselves, we are willing to call up those with the power to do something (PMing a mod, or if necessary Tom or Wade, with any big problems). In any case, we are willing to take the lead in anything for the benefit of Newgrounds.
Use, modify, mutilate, or discard this at will.
5. Contests. If missions are being run by Department, Contests should probably involve the whole NGDD, or at least anyone who wants to participate. Maybe there should be one each year in the subject area of each Department except IA? One for Flash, one for Audio, one for Art, one for the BBS, and one for Lit when it comes out. Run by either the IA Department, or the Department in charge of protecting the respective area.
6. Personal disputes between members are going to happen. It doesn't matter who's running the place, you get more than three or four people together and there's going to be arguments. These should probably be handled over PM if they are private, but for the public matters, they should be kept to the coming NGDD forum DS mentioned.
OK, now that that's been said... Anyone else still watching this thread and have some ideas?
At 7/2/09 05:37 PM, SoulMaster71 wrote: All right, didn't get to read the ideas until now, but better late than never, right? They sound good, but here's my two cents:
1. Departments. Same old system I've always known, basically. But take note of this: we're going to need a sixth if and when the staff puts out the Literature Portal.
I don't want to get into discussion of the Literary Portal. For all i know, it's coming out in 2 years from now. It's not something I want to start developing until it's been released. All i hope is that it's released before I'm ready to release the LD System's successor, the New-NGDD System.
2. Points. I was thinking about a new point system myself, and I considered this. Say a member of the BBS Department joined at 1000 posts, and now has around 3000. He's been here for, oh I don't know, let's say a year. A user then comes in with 10,000 posts. The experienced club member is automatically lower than Mr. 10,000, just because of his lower post count.
Some may look at it that way. I don't and i hope the rest of the NGDD doesn't either. It's ironic but in most cases the person with the higher post count than someone else is most likely to have more spam posts. I'm not saying that all users with high post counts have spam posts but I'm sure if i looked in that person's post count I'd find a lot of useless posts. Let's just say the person with the higher post count had 10,000 posts and the person with the lower post count had 3000.
So what I was thinking was, why not have stats from after the end of probation (that is, after full membership is attained) count maybe 2, 3, 4 times more than stats earned before that. Someone would have to put stats at the time of acceptance on the DoDbot account, so that stats could be tracked from there. Consider it like job experience: if you're working at Microsoft, as far as performance-based judgment goes, you're judged mainly on how good a job you've done at Microsoft, not in your previous job at Apple (though previous job experience is, of course, an important factor in hiring). So that's my idea.
I'm not too sure if I understand you but I'm going to hope I do. You're saying tracking a person's stats from when they join the NGDD? Yes, that can work. We can do it. I just hope the people that will be counting the stats for each of these users doesn't find it too hectic.
3. Probation. The vast majority of users are going to need it, obviously. And some are going to need it more than others: imagine an ex-spammer, a former BBS troll, or joining. We're going to need a longer period to be assured he's reformed. And if a mod joins (unlikely, but possible), there's no reason not to let them in without probation. Probation periods will need to be decided on a case-by-case basis, I think.
I haven't even started to talk about probation. You can guarantee that probation will be tough. The requirements to join the NGDD and a Department will be high. I haven't decided the requirements but I know I'll be asking for a lot of high stats from a user.
I don't think probation length will be of matter. I can always kick someone out of the NGDD that i feel is being an ass towards others or just not performing the way he/she is expected to.
I think the NGDD should stick to it's probation policy. Everyone has to go through it. A mod isn't special. I mean, they have powers to ban and stuff but should this factor really be the factor in deciding whether the mod is allowed into the NGDD or not? OF COURSE NOT. If a mod doesn't meet the requirements to join, then that mod can't join. I don't want to sound mean but it would be unfair to the others who have to work their asses off just trying to pass our probation system.
4. Purpose. I think I stated my feelings about this last page, but I don't know if people saw, so I'll post them again here:
I'm thinking the purpose should be the same as I've always seen it to be, the same one set out on the first page of the original thread (not at the top, but somewhere on the page wondermuffin its creator gave it the purpose): to "defend NG from spammers, stupid clubs, ripp-offs etc" (his own words and misspellings, not mine), to "defend NG from dumb entries, whistle them, look for entries and clubs that are against the rules etc", by setting a good example, by voting fairly, by making quality submissions where applicable, by avoiding the known qualities of undesirable users (spammers, trolls, and rule-breakers, just to name a few), and by generally contributing positively to Newgrounds and its community.
The purpose of the NGDD can't be the same as what wondermuffin said. Newgrounds has changed a lot. Wondermuffin said "defend NG from spammers, stupid clubs, ripp-offs etc." How are we going to defend Newgrounds from "stupid clubs"? I don't know what Newgrounds was in 2004 but that sure as hell was a long time ago. Some of what Wondermuffin said is good and ok but if you read more of that first page and second page you'll see that he really had no clue what he was getting himself into. I'm saying that if we created a group today writing the stuff Wondermuffin said our thread would be locked in a mere second. Just by looking at the first posts of that NGDD thread, we looked like a role playing club. Which is really what the NGDD was at the time. But we evolved. We have structure now. We still are a role playing club but i don't like to say that. I think we're more of the "Future Role Models" for Newgrounds. We post smart, we protect Newgrounds from spam and other bad things. And we aren't looked upon as backseat modders so yeah...
I'll also add this: we're more than a bunch of goody-two-shoes. Sure we lead by example, but we lead with activity. That means flagging, fair B/P (no mass-voting or savewhoring, of course), that sort of thing. If there's something we can't deal with ourselves, we are willing to call up those with the power to do something (PMing a mod, or if necessary Tom or Wade, with any big problems). In any case, we are willing to take the lead in anything for the benefit of Newgrounds.
I don't think contacting Tom would do anything. He'll read our PM but I'm sure Wade would be the who has to deal with it.
Use, modify, mutilate, or discard this at will.
5. Contests. If missions are being run by Department, Contests should probably involve the whole NGDD, or at least anyone who wants to participate. Maybe there should be one each year in the subject area of each Department except IA? One for Flash, one for Audio, one for Art, one for the BBS, and one for Lit when it comes out. Run by either the IA Department, or the Department in charge of protecting the respective area.
See, we can't really have contests involving the whole entire NGDD. We could but then for contest prizes we're looking at prizes involving $$$, while if we were looking at prizes involving points, it could only be department contests then because like i mentioned previously, the audio department can't earn flash points, the art department can't earn BBS points, etc.
6. Personal disputes between members are going to happen. It doesn't matter who's running the place, you get more than three or four people together and there's going to be arguments. These should probably be handled over PM if they are private, but for the public matters, they should be kept to the coming NGDD forum DS mentioned.
If the dispute becomes a big one then i will remove the users involve from the NGDD. Look, if you can't be nice with your fellow peers then really how worthy are you to the NGDD?
OK, now that that's been said... Anyone else still watching this thread and have some ideas?
I'm always watching this thread :)
At 7/2/09 06:43 PM, DarkSoldier wrote: I don't want to get into discussion of the Literary Portal. For all i know, it's coming out in 2 years from now. It's not something I want to start developing until it's been released.
Understood, but just making sure you're aware that it will have to be dealt with eventually, either by you or by your successor (whoever that may be).
Some may look at it that way. I don't and i hope the rest of the NGDD doesn't either. It's ironic but in most cases the person with the higher post count than someone else is most likely to have more spam posts. I'm not saying that all users with high post counts have spam posts but I'm sure if i looked in that person's post count I'd find a lot of useless posts.
Not if Mr. 10,000 signed up 4 or more years before the other user. Of course there's a possibility of that, the older poster could have gone through a long or hard noob stage with a good number of bans, but having more posts obviously doesn't imply BBS spam. And from the point of view of BBS Department points, the guy with 10,000 would automatically start with more, and under the old system that translated to rank.
I'm not too sure if I understand you but I'm going to hope I do. You're saying tracking a person's stats from when they join the NGDD? Yes, that can work. We can do it. I just hope the people that will be counting the stats for each of these users doesn't find it too hectic.
Pretty much. Older, pre-acceptance stats would be worth less than stats earned while in the NGDD.
I haven't even started to talk about probation. You can guarantee that probation will be tough. The requirements to join the NGDD and a Department will be high. I haven't decided the requirements but I know I'll be asking for a lot of high stats from a user.
Shouldn't be too high though, don't want to scare off everyone. Though keeping out complete n00bs is a good idea, I'm certain for example in the BBS Department, 1000 posts with a high quality rate would be enough.
I don't think probation length will be of matter. I can always kick someone out of the NGDD that i feel is being an ass towards others or just not performing the way he/she is expected to.
I guess, but it's something to consider. After all, someone coming in from the EGB (a respectable group with a fairly high overlap with the NGDD) has already passed a screening for quality, while a known member of a spam group, of course, might have a little more work to prove himself.
I think the NGDD should stick to it's probation policy. Everyone has to go through it. A mod isn't special. I mean, they have powers to ban and stuff but should this factor really be the factor in deciding whether the mod is allowed into the NGDD or not? OF COURSE NOT. If a mod doesn't meet the requirements to join, then that mod can't join. I don't want to sound mean but it would be unfair to the others who have to work their asses off just trying to pass our probation system.
OK, I understand. Plus, I can't think of a mod who would fit the basic requirements and not pass the quality test.
The purpose of the NGDD can't be the same as what wondermuffin said. Newgrounds has changed a lot. Wondermuffin said "defend NG from spammers, stupid clubs, ripp-offs etc." How are we going to defend Newgrounds from "stupid clubs"? I don't know what Newgrounds was in 2004 but that sure as hell was a long time ago. Some of what Wondermuffin said is good and ok but if you read more of that first page and second page you'll see that he really had no clue what he was getting himself into. I'm saying that if we created a group today writing the stuff Wondermuffin said our thread would be locked in a mere second. Just by looking at the first posts of that NGDD thread, we looked like a role playing club. Which is really what the NGDD was at the time. But we evolved. We have structure now. We still are a role playing club but i don't like to say that. I think we're more of the "Future Role Models" for Newgrounds. We post smart, we protect Newgrounds from spam and other bad things. And we aren't looked upon as backseat modders so yeah...
Of course. "The same as I've always seen it to be" means just that. I just happened to mention wondermuffin's comments to connect the beginning to the present.
Of course even back then all they could do against "stupid clubs" was to inform users about lack of structure and wait for a mod to show up and lock it, and lack of structure was acceptable in those days (case in point: we're posting in its descendant right now).
I don't think contacting Tom would do anything. He'll read our PM but I'm sure Wade would be the who has to deal with it.
It's actually an open secret among certain groups of Newgrounders that Tom responds to PMs faster than Wade does.
See, we can't really have contests involving the whole entire NGDD. We could but then for contest prizes we're looking at prizes involving $$$, while if we were looking at prizes involving points, it could only be department contests then because like i mentioned previously, the audio department can't earn flash points, the art department can't earn BBS points, etc.
I was actually thinking something else after hearing your idea, so I'd ask that you just hear me out: one set of points for each person. Depending on their Department, the way they earn points would be different: missions for each Department would be worth a certain amount to the members of that Department (and worthless to other Departments). Members of the BBS Department get points based on posting, members of the Flash Department earn points based on B/P, Flash reviews, and submissions, and that sort of thing, with other Departments' activities providing no points. However, winning an NGDD-wide contest would provide points for anyone, in any Department. That way, we encourage specialization while periodically discouraging complete neglect of other aspects of the Newgrounds experience.
If the dispute becomes a big one then i will remove the users involve from the NGDD. Look, if you can't be nice with your fellow peers then really how worthy are you to the NGDD?
But occasionally there will be an issue, whether it's over music or over a specific NG-related position, and if it's going to spill over anywhere, secure rooms in private forums would be better than here on Newgrounds.
I'm always watching this thread :)
Hopefully someone else is too.
