At 10/12/06 03:26 AM, Washu-chan wrote: If you read the thread the reason why those movies pass because a group of more powerful users vote 5 while the weaker user vote 0. and since the more powerful users have more EXP and B/P power they are over powering the masses who vote 0 as a result those movies get protected when they should be blammed. and personally I agree with wade because when I had to watch this same thng happen to me when I first started ng. I really never liked too many of those SS movie and other group movies myself and what was worse was most of them were crappy. I would vote 0 but thanks to those "NG Bullies" the flash would get protected when it should have been blammed. Don't get me wrong some of them did make me laugh but most of them were garbage and if wade has to reset people's EXP and B/P points to make the system work I say go for it wade it is about time the masses of Ng were heard!

I read the thread, and the reasoning is not sufficient. People earn their high vote power and use it. Wade assumes people vote high on movies he doesn't like for protect points, when he has no way of knowing this. I know I've voted five on many "bad" flashes because I've enjoyed them, not for extra points. So, based on an assumption and the whining of people who really don't understand the effort behind even the most basic flash, Wade penalizes the author and fans due to the inability of the population to watch a movie all the way through.

And if I submit Slash Returns: Cereal, and it's flagged, I doubt Wade would care. It'd remain in limbo until deletion, when the abusers will gain whistle points.

I am not comfortable with this at all. He may have the power, but he doesn't need to overrule the B/P system because he assumes those who vote high on "bad" entries...who tend to be higher-up users who got through their whole OMFG A STAR FLASH phase...are doing it for points.

At 10/12/06 03:44 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote:

At 10/12/06 03:26 AM, Washu-chan wrote: If you read the thread the reason why those movies pass because a group of more powerful users vote 5 while the weaker user vote 0. and since the more powerful users have more EXP and B/P power they are over powering the masses who vote 0 as a result those movies get protected when they should be blammed. and personally I agree with wade because when I had to watch this same thng happen to me when I first started ng. I really never liked too many of those SS movie and other group movies myself and what was worse was most of them were crappy. I would vote 0 but thanks to those "NG Bullies" the flash would get protected when it should have been blammed. Don't get me wrong some of them did make me laugh but most of them were garbage and if wade has to reset people's EXP and B/P points to make the system work I say go for it wade it is about time the masses of Ng were heard!

I read the thread, and the reasoning is not sufficient. People earn their high vote power and use it. Wade assumes people vote high on movies he doesn't like for protect points, when he has no way of knowing this. I know I've voted five on many "bad" flashes because I've enjoyed them, not for extra points. So, based on an assumption and the whining of people who really don't understand the effort behind even the most basic flash, Wade penalizes the author and fans due to the inability of the population to watch a movie all the way through.

Hey slash did you watch the BPB movies? all they were was a stupid intro that is extra long anf flashy and when you get to the actually movies they are just about all crappy. The intro is good to fool the masses and some of them assume that the rest is good. I would vote low on those movies but they would always passes.

And if I submit Slash Returns: Cereal, and it's flagged, I doubt Wade would care. It'd remain in limbo until deletion, when the abusers will gain whistle points.

Slash you should just PM him about it. if youi don't say anything about it then it will just stay there until it is deleted. also be persistant about it as well if you keep going at it you are bound to get a responce. you also got to remember wade is a busy man and he has to help manage the site.

I am not comfortable with this at all. He may have the power, but he doesn't need to overrule the B/P system because he assumes those who vote high on "bad" entries...who tend to be higher-up users who got through their whole OMFG A STAR FLASH phase...are doing it for points.

Slash if the majority of people are voting one way and a few choice people are voting another and the majority isn't being heard something is wrong. I would think so if over half the people who vote on these vote 0 while about 18-30 people with extra high EXP and B/P vote five and the movie passes. wouldn't you? Especially if those voters are in a known group. Wade explained that in the thread as well

So what's with Wade deleting movies he doesn't like? It seems like an abuse of power from him. Not to mention the fact that he's talking about how the high=powered BP'ers are voting to protect this movies... I don't condone mass-voting but what's the purpose of voting on movies if one of the admins is just going to get pissed off?

First off slash he does know what the high voters vote on (he knows if they vote 1-5 like he'll know if you vote a 2 just by looking it up)

At 10/12/06 09:22 AM, pepeatumi wrote: So what's with Wade deleting movies he doesn't like? It seems like an abuse of power from him. Not to mention the fact that he's talking about how the high=powered BP'ers are voting to protect this movies... I don't condone mass-voting but what's the purpose of voting on movies if one of the admins is just going to get pissed off?

It's not just him jesus christ! a shit ton of people don't like them as well, and it's just spamming the portal of crap flash! We don't need portal spam here.

At 10/10/06 07:33 PM, Tannerite wrote:

At 10/10/06 02:25 PM, Casualty wrote: Yep. To me you will always be the most crazy flagger EVER.

What about me? New school user who got the gold whistle?

>:(

Never said you weren't good =P And you ARE good.

At 10/10/06 03:19 PM, Washu-chan wrote: Thanks for that now here is something for all of you.

Sings karaoke of the Fruits basket intro.

Now lets get out there and slaughter the enemy we call abuse!

Hahahah ok I will flag some more shit. I wonder how long it'll take to reach gold...

And lol @ Wade.

At 10/12/06 12:38 PM, Casualty wrote: I wonder how long it'll take to reach gold...

I'll put it this way:

When the whistles were adjusted I became Gold.

Today I just got Deity (s'right bitches)

It all depends on how much you flag. I dedicated an afternoon to only flagging (maybe 500+ reviews)

At 10/12/06 02:29 PM, Peregrinus wrote: It all depends on how much you flag. I dedicated an afternoon to only flagging (maybe 500+ reviews)

Today I think I've done a few hundreds, and yesterday I did well too. I suppose gold is close now. But I will be too lazy to get deity.

At 10/12/06 03:10 PM, Casualty wrote: Today I think I've done a few hundreds, and yesterday I did well too. I suppose gold is close now. But I will be too lazy to get deity.

If you do a lot of flagging in one shot you might jump straight to Deity. But it's hard to say because theres no visible stat to tell you how close.

On another note, and one which may have been mentioned, apparently ADT is now a review mod. Rumours? Truth?

In the past 3 days, I got 3 reviews deleted. I have read through the guildlines and there is no way that I broke the rules in any of the 3 reviews. Quite frankly, all those reviews are UU/Sunshine Crew related. Now I am very concerned that those people may mass click on the abusive option on my review since I told them to stop spamming in the portal in my other reviews. As an experienced user, I know the consequences if my reviews keep on getting deleted by M-bot. I have worked hard since I joined NG in 2004 and I do not want my account to be deleted after I have achieved so much. Considering the possibility of the UU/ Sunshine Crew people mass clicking for abusive agaist my reviews, I decided to quit reviewing on any KK/UU/SC related entries in the future. Personally, I would suggest all of you fellow EG soldiers to stop reviewing those entries IF you get nothing positive to say just to avoid possible troubles. Thanks for your attention.

It's way to easy to get gold/diety nowadays, I automatically started out with diety, and I here how people everyday are gettinf diety from being silver etc I think they should vastly make it harder to get gold and diety, but not as hard as it was before the whistle system was implemented.

At 10/12/06 09:22 AM, pepeatumi wrote: So what's with Wade deleting movies he doesn't like? It seems like an abuse of power from him. Not to mention the fact that he's talking about how the high=powered BP'ers are voting to protect this movies... I don't condone mass-voting but what's the purpose of voting on movies if one of the admins is just going to get pissed off?

He assumes that the people who give them protection votes are doing it just for protect points, because the majority of people (who are mostly easily-offended people who haven't outgrown their OMG NOT HITLER phase) don't like the flash. Which is a false and uprovable assumption.

He can watch my vote record all he wants. I'm not changing the way I vote because an admin disapproves. If I see a flash that I like, I don't care if all the other voters hate it...I'll give it a good vote.

At 10/12/06 05:01 PM, HoboPorn wrote: It's way to easy to get gold/diety nowadays, I automatically started out with diety, and I here how people everyday are gettinf diety from being silver etc I think they should vastly make it harder to get gold and diety, but not as hard as it was before the whistle system was implemented.

they did that the first time around and what happened? people stopped flagging because it was too hard after a while. so they made the system easier so that even your average joe could get deity plus wade was trying to get more users to flag so and easier deity range was what he thought was best.

it be real funny if everyone who had a deity whistle just stopped after that

At 10/12/06 05:06 PM, Washu-chan wrote:
they did that the first time around and what happened? people stopped flagging because it was too hard after a while. so they made the system easier so that even your average joe could get deity plus wade was trying to get more users to flag so and easier deity range was what he thought was best.

it be real funny if everyone who had a deity whistle just stopped after that

Yeah but, just make it harder like you said the average is only going to quit after reaching diety, so wtf is the point? just make it harder to reach diety.

why was this guy modded?

He has 22 posts and no flashes and nothing good about him.

Or is he an affiliate and works for NG?

At 10/12/06 05:11 PM, HoboPorn wrote: why was this guy modded?

Because one of the Admins deemed him worthy for whatever reason.

Now stop asking questions. >=(

At 10/12/06 05:39 PM, Peregrinus wrote:

At 10/12/06 05:11 PM, HoboPorn wrote: why was this guy modded?

Because one of the Admins deemed him worthy for whatever reason.

Now stop asking questions. >=(

Please I'll ask the questions I want to. I don't see why he was though, there is nothing that shows him as being worthy of a mod, he is never on and only has 22 posts no flashes or audios no flagging or B/P points that just confuses me.

At 10/12/06 12:51 AM, Washu-chan wrote: take a look at this thread it seems wade is taking about Portal abuse and wha is really going on

Wow I've never seen the site like this before. Looks like there might be an end to spam after all. A good idea although maybe not a very popular one would be be penalize people's protection points for subsequently deleted spam flash. Say if you voted 4 or 5 I think would be sufficient to curb mass voting for spam. A 2 or 3 is more of a neutral stance in my opinion and if the mass voters tried to protect with a 2 or 3 I doubt said flashes would stand a chance against the majority of users. Problem solved? Probably not but it's an idea, probably not a very popular one but something that would definetly help. Opinions?

At 10/12/06 05:48 PM, HoboPorn wrote: Please I'll ask the questions I want to.

/sarcasm

I don't see why he was though, there is nothing that shows him as being worthy of a mod, he is never on and only has 22 posts no flashes or audios no flagging or B/P points that just confuses me.

I agree fully. I saw his profile maybe a week ago, listed under mods, and it baffled me.

At 10/12/06 05:48 PM, HoboPorn wrote: Please I'll ask the questions I want to. I don't see why he was though, there is nothing that shows him as being worthy of a mod, he is never on and only has 22 posts no flashes or audios no flagging or B/P points that just confuses me.

It's because he is working on the re-design and needs access to moderator tools to fully do his job. Tom or Wade made a general forum thread about it a few months ago, I just can't find it now.

At 10/12/06 05:48 PM, HoboPorn wrote: Please I'll ask the questions I want to. I don't see why he was though, there is nothing that shows him as being worthy of a mod, he is never on and only has 22 posts no flashes or audios no flagging or B/P points that just confuses me.

http://newgrounds.co../topic.php?id=488243

He works at the Newgrounds HQ with Tom.

At 10/12/06 05:59 PM, MetalDart wrote:
http://newgrounds.co../topic.php?id=488243

He works at the Newgrounds HQ with Tom.

ooohhh, ok that makes sense, I never saw that post, was it just posted or bulitinized?

At 10/12/06 06:06 PM, HoboPorn wrote: ooohhh, ok that makes sense, I never saw that post, was it just posted or bulitinized?

Posted on 5/18/06. :/

All mod threads are now made in general because that's where the most users are, and everyone tries to be the first to post a "new mod" thread. Also, maybe because Tom doesn't deem it worthy as NG News or FrontPage post.

At 10/12/06 06:06 PM, HoboPorn wrote: ooohhh, ok that makes sense, I never saw that post, was it just posted or bulitinized?

General forum. Thus just a regular topic.

At 10/12/06 05:49 PM, pwroftheseagoat wrote:

Wow I've never seen the site like this before. Looks like there might be an end to spam after all. A good idea although maybe not a very popular one would be be penalize people's protection points for subsequently deleted spam flash. Say if you voted 4 or 5 I think would be sufficient to curb mass voting for spam. A 2 or 3 is more of a neutral stance in my opinion and if the mass voters tried to protect with a 2 or 3 I doubt said flashes would stand a chance against the majority of users. Problem solved? Probably not but it's an idea, probably not a very popular one but something that would definetly help. Opinions?

That's a pretty good idea... What I would do is simply delete the movies that are passing judgment (and don't deserve it) and take the protection point away from those who voted to save the movie.

BTW, Welcome to the barracks.. (a bit late)

At 10/12/06 06:32 PM, pepeatumi wrote: That's a pretty good idea... What I would do is simply delete the movies that are passing judgment (and don't deserve it) and take the protection point away from those who voted to save the movie.

"Deserving to pass" should be decided by the B/P system, not admins.

What's the point of getting higher influence in the system if the whining of the masses overrules you? The entire point of the system is that dedicated members earn the right to have a greater influence than the weaker people, not so Wade can side with crybabies and overrule the decision of the system when he sees fit.

And to penalize people for voting on a flash that passes but is deemed "spammy"? That is an outright horrible idea, based on the unprovable assumption that "no one actually likes this stuff, so it's okay."

If something like that is implemented, I'm leaving the site. No way could I continue to be a part of Newgrounds when the system I worked through from Citizen to EGSC is ruled to be as trivial as that.

At 10/12/06 06:44 PM, SlashFirestorm wrote:
And to penalize people for voting on a flash that passes but is deemed "spammy"? That is an outright horrible idea, based on the unprovable assumption that "no one actually likes this stuff, so it's okay."

If something like that is implemented, I'm leaving the site. No way could I continue to be a part of Newgrounds when the system I worked through from Citizen to EGSC is ruled to be as trivial as that.

Even though I was the one who stated that opinion... I have to agree with you. I just mentioned because it seems to be the way that we would get the least amount of bitching and moaning from all parties involved..

But I have to agree with you all this situation makes the whole BP system meaningless. You can vote how you want, but if you do you'll be penalized... Its unfair, but from the looks of things we can't do anything about it.

All I can say is that I have ABSOLUTELY no intention of changing how I vote. If I like it (ME and no else) I'm going to vote to protect it and nothing is going to change that.

At 10/12/06 06:44 PM, SlashFirestorm wrote:

At 10/12/06 06:32 PM, pepeatumi wrote: That's a pretty good idea... What I would do is simply delete the movies that are passing judgment (and don't deserve it) and take the protection point away from those who voted to save the movie.

"Deserving to pass" should be decided by the B/P system, not admins.

Slash if you hadn't notice that some of that flash that got through was because of "abuse" from several individuals who think it is fun to mess with the NG system

What's the point of getting higher influence in the system if the whining of the masses overrules you? The entire point of the system is that dedicated members earn the right to have a greater influence than the weaker people, not so Wade can side with crybabies and overrule the decision of the system when he sees fit.

I understand what you are saying slash but their is a difference in voting because you like something and being a "power bully"

And to penalize people for voting on a flash that passes but is deemed "spammy"? That is an outright horrible idea, based on the unprovable assumption that "no one actually likes this stuff, so it's okay."

Wade can see how every user vote Slash and he says it is the same people who are voting up the so called "crap" flashs movies while the majority of the users vote 0. and most of those people who are voting up the flash are either in the flash group or supporters of that flash group.

If something like that is implemented, I'm leaving the site. No way could I continue to be a part of Newgrounds when the system I worked through from Citizen to EGSC is ruled to be as trivial as that.

well if it is made so we will all miss you slash -_-

At 10/12/06 06:55 PM, Washu-chan wrote: Slash if you hadn't notice that some of that flash that got through was because of "abuse" from several individuals who think it is fun to mess with the NG system

I understand what you are saying slash but their is a difference in voting because you like something and being a "power bully"

No one can prove their intent. I, for one, have absolutly loved some KK/BPB flashes, and fifened them. Not for protect points, not to be a dick, but because I liked them.

Wade can see how every user vote Slash and he says it is the same people who are voting up the so called "crap" flashs movies while the majority of the users vote 0. and most of those people who are voting up the flash are either in the flash group or supporters of that flash group.

Wade can't read minds. I really couldn't care less what the masses think. It plays no influence on my vote whatsoever.

And friends of the group voting high? Of course they are, and why should this be a surprise, or inferred as malicious? People in the same group tend to have the same tastes. Every group has done this, even the "good ones". It doesn't even take mass-organizing for this trend to appear.

well if it is made so we will all miss you slash -_-

People tend to love me, although not my position on this...

I've even heard some people have gotten PM's about this, threatening nerfing if they continue to vote high on stuff Wade doesn't approve of. I wasn't one of them (which kind of surprises me, I tend to be more lenient and a fan of some of the 'spam' groups), but I've seen the PM message, and it's just tacky and unfair.

My stance may be unpopular with the EGB, but it's how I feel. It's not worth destroying the fairness of the system in an attempt to destroy "bad" flash. I'm starting to doubt me coming back to Newgrounds on a full-time basis if this continues or gets worse. Lately I've just deposited and monitored the BBS because I'm waiting to see how things unfold with the portal situation.

"Deserving to pass" should be decided by the B/P system, not admins.

What's the point of getting higher influence in the system if the whining of the masses overrules you? The entire point of the system is that dedicated members earn the right to have a greater influence than the weaker people, not so Wade can side with crybabies and overrule the decision of the system when he sees fit.

And to penalize people for voting on a flash that passes but is deemed "spammy"? That is an outright horrible idea, based on the unprovable assumption that "no one actually likes this stuff, so it's okay."

If something like that is implemented, I'm leaving the site. No way could I continue to be a part of Newgrounds when the system I worked through from Citizen to EGSC is ruled to be as trivial as that.

A valid point but there is a big difference between a crappy movie that somehow makes it through judgement and a series of +70 spam movies that are basically the same thing.

I would have been alright with one or two bpb because I got a laugh the first few times. Beyond that it gets old. With repeated submissions the quality of the movies actually got worse and after about xx number it becomes spam.

My opinion is that my suggestion would help to curb peoples votes to a fair score of something which the users know is spam. You cannot say it wasn't spam that's just turning a blind eye or just plain ingnorance.

This system if implemented could prove successful to where spammy submissions wouldn't have to be manually removed.

It's better than getting all your b/p points taken away or your account deleted as Wade has hinted at doing on more than one occasion.

Woo, internet at home at last- expect some much better rates from now on!

As to the issue at hand, I'm kind of sitting on the fence. As Slash says it makes a mockery of the system if the admins continue to remove passed flash just because they see it as spammy, and if it happens too often I too will become disillusioned by the system. It isn't about what the admins want to pass, but rather what the users deem good enough to pass.

In the case of the BPB flashes, however, and a number of other groups, I think it is fair that they are removed as they are little more than an identical introduction followed by something that would never pass on its own. This of course brings up the problem of where to draw the line, and only the admins can decide that, but these flashes deserved to go and I am pleased that they have gone. The small number of high leveled users voting 5 on these movies can only be accused of mass voting them through as no matter how you view it these movies did not deserve a 5. If someone liked it at the very best they deserved a 2 or 3, and the vast majority, myself included, felt they should have been blammed. There are exceptions though, the most quoted being the AHATWI80D flashes, which many people feel should continue to pass. Should these be removed by the admins I'd be as annoyed as you are- although they are fairly repetetive I do find them entertaining and reasonably clever. This is a good example of where the line should be drawn, and it remains to be seen what the admins will do.