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Unpublished Submission
One pic, set to bad music. No animation.
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Unpublished Submission
Flappy clone, and doesn't work right.
This one:
is the same as this older one:
The differences are minimal, and nothing noteworthy, so it's basically a duplicate to get more ad revenue.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
YouTube material...FREAKY YouTube material.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
At 8/1/14 07:14 AM, HandsomeTyler wrote:At 8/1/14 05:00 AM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: YouTube material...FREAKY YouTube material.I'm not sure what 'Youtube Material' means but it seemed fine to me...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/643587
In this case, YouTube material means that it features some real footage of someone and real footage isn't animation.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
August already? And we're still chugging along, doing what we do best.
We have a couple of promotions - BrokenDeck is now a Major, and DefTonesFan665 has moved to Sgt. Major. Well done!
*Salutes*
As a note, Sgt. Major DefTonesFan665 has been incredibly active this month with over 150 posts regarding the proper disposal of blam-worthy flashes - that's 5 posts a day! EGSC GameJunkie was also heavy in the swing with over 60 posts.
Thanks to both of them for leading by example.
I guess many of our rank are busy IRL this summer, as the top 5 active members accounted for an incredible 88% of all of the monthly points activity. Usually we see that around 60%, but overall group activity has fallen off a bit. Maybe it'll pick up in a few months?
Enough of my ramblings - here's what you really want:
Barracks Roster as of August 1st, 2014:
Milestones::
Asandir - 27K saves
Coop - 128K total B/P
DefTonesFan665 - 8K saves, 9K total B/P
GameJunkie - 23K blams
Promotions::
BrokenDeck - Major
DefTonesFan665 - Sgt. Major
The Roster:
No. B/P / Gain / Average / Level / Change / Username / Rank / Posts / Level
01) 128,109 | 0,479 | 15.45 | C | -025.04 | Coop Sup. Commander | 0 | F
02) 111,824 | 0,521 | 16.81 | C | -027.34 | byteslinger Sup. Commander | 10 | C
03) 80,294 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | Phantom Sup. Commander | 0 | F
04) 68,665 | 0,413 | 13.32 | C | -008.22 | GameJunkie Sup. Commander | 63 | A
05) 56,190 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | Little-Rena Sup. Commander | 0 | F
06) 52,134 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | EagleRock Sup. Commander | 0 | F
07) 50,726 | 0,157 | 05.06 | C | -011.80 | Exedor Sup. Commander | 32 | A
08) 36,640 | 0,001 | 00.03 | D | +000.00 | Cootie Sup. Commander | 0 | F
09) 32,493 | 0,434 | 14.00 | C | -026.81 | Asandir Sup. Commander | 11 | C
10) 31,312 | 0,016 | 00.52 | D | -030.43 | RohantheBarbarian Sup. Commander | 0 | F
11) 25,181 | 0,001 | 00.03 | D | +000.00 | Gimmick General | 0 | F
12) 20,208 | 0,008 | 00.26 | D | +700.00 | Decky Brig. General | 1 | D
13) 15,576 | 0,114 | 03.68 | D | -017.39 | BrokenDeck Major | 0 | F
14) 14,327 | 0,002 | 00.06 | D | +000.00 | Chrausner Captain | 0 | F
15) 10,353 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | -100.00 | Archonic Sgt. Major | 0 | F
16) 10,061 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | SeeD419 Sgt. Major | 0 | F
17) 9,702 | 0,866 | 27.94 | B | -005.87 | DefTonesFan665 Sgt. Major | 153 | A
18) 7,460 | 0,048 | 01.55 | D | -002.04 | ZJ Master Sergeant | 0 | F
19) 7,374 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | phantomlassuk Master Sergeant | 0 | F
20) 6,506 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | -100.00 | HeavenDuff Staff Sergeant | 0 | F
21) 6,467 | 0,002 | 00.06 | D | -050.00 | Ronald-McDonald-Lol Staff Sergeant | 0 | F
22) 6,415 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | SpiffyMasta Staff Sergeant | 0 | F
23) 6,191 | 0,003 | 00.10 | D | +000.00 | BenwaHakubi Staff Sergeant | 0 | F
24) 5,091 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | -100.00 | Jackho Sergeant | 0 | F
25) 3,726 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | Sectus Pvt. First Class | 0 | F
26) 2,704 | 0,002 | 00.06 | D | +100.00 | ForNoReason Private | 0 | F
Top 5 Gainers::
DefTonesFan665 - 866 (28.24% of total)
byteslinger - 521 (16.99% of total)
Coop - 479 (15.62% of total)
Asandir - 434 (14.15% of total)
GameJunkie - 413 (13.47% of total)
Top 5 users accounted for 88.46% of B/P points (2,713 total)
Top gainers, repeat appearances::
Coop (26)
byteslinger (18)
Asandir (16)
DefTonesFan665 (8)
GameJunkie (5)
Total gain for month: 3,067 (16 Active Members)
That's 98.94 per day, or 6.18 per day per active member.
I really think we need to work on our attendance - here's a pic of all the attendees of last-month's "Leaders Summit" (yours truly as photographer!)
In a few months I may prune our member list down a bit - there are some members here who have had no activity for over 6 months (some more) so I may wind up marking them as inactive / on reserve.
What would be nice would be a few new members - you would think with the closing of the NGPD more privates would be heading our way...anyone have any theories about that?
In any case, thank you all for a job well done - it is an honor serving with you all!
*Salutes*
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
I don't know if other people are having this problem, but I can't get this game to work. First time it's like I got the game, but nothing was happening, it was just a white screen with a blue border. I refreshed the page and got a plain white screen and nothing was appearing.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
At 8/1/14 07:49 PM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/643628
Nevermind, I got it to work. I guess my browser was just acting up.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
At 8/1/14 06:26 PM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: YouTube material.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/643624
Just thought I'd let you know that Tom says he's totally fine with live action stuff on Newgrounds. I recall him saying he'd like to see more visual effects heavy stuff, but honestly I'd think anything that has obvious effort put into it and has an actual story should be fine.
At 8/1/14 09:31 PM, artistunknown wrote:At 8/1/14 06:26 PM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: YouTube material.Just thought I'd let you know that Tom says he's totally fine with live action stuff on Newgrounds. I recall him saying he'd like to see more visual effects heavy stuff, but honestly I'd think anything that has obvious effort put into it and has an actual story should be fine.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/643624
Where do you recall him saying that? And effort or not, this submission is basically a short film and not an animation. Maybe if a live action submission had a lot of special effects to it would be okay, but this is just a basic short film kind of thing. Besides, people who usually submit this kind of stuff always get reviews that say that their submission belongs on YouTube and not here, so it's not like they're getting constructive criticism (and often a good score) whether it stays or not.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
At 8/1/14 09:38 PM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: Where do you recall him saying that? And effort or not, this submission is basically a short film and not an animation. Maybe if a live action submission had a lot of special effects to it would be okay, but this is just a basic short film kind of thing. Besides, people who usually submit this kind of stuff always get reviews that say that their submission belongs on YouTube and not here, so it's not like they're getting constructive criticism (and often a good score) whether it stays or not.
This is the post I was thinking of: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1366563/2#bbspost25081732_post_text
At one point, saying in a review that something is better suited to youtube was considered abusive, so I don't know what changed with that. I'm not quite sure what exactly should be done about how live action isn't appreciated here currently, though I wish people would accept it more.
At 8/1/14 09:43 PM, artistunknown wrote:At 8/1/14 09:38 PM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: Where do you recall him saying that? And effort or not, this submission is basically a short film and not an animation. Maybe if a live action submission had a lot of special effects to it would be okay, but this is just a basic short film kind of thing. Besides, people who usually submit this kind of stuff always get reviews that say that their submission belongs on YouTube and not here, so it's not like they're getting constructive criticism (and often a good score) whether it stays or not.This is the post I was thinking of: http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1366563/2#bbspost25081732_post_text
''to try and keep the vibe of animation and computer generated material going'' -Tom Fulp
With the submission I reported earlier, the only computer generated material it had was the opening and closing credits and that's not good enough to keep it in the portal. It's just a guy trying to make a little documentary on how much he loves the TV show 'Pawn Stars'. It deserves to be removed since it barely has any computer generated material and has no animation whatsoever.
At one point, saying in a review that something is better suited to youtube was considered abusive, so I don't know what changed with that. I'm not quite sure what exactly should be done about how live action isn't appreciated here currently, though I wish people would accept it more.
I wouldn't consider it abusive, it's a useless review to say that it belongs somewhere else, so I agree with the change. I don't think it will ever really be accepted here since NG was build on animation, not live action material. If you ask me, if you want live action material, go where everybody is saying it belongs, YouTube. There's tons of it there and that's what built YouTube up just like animation built up Newgrounds.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
At 8/1/14 09:53 PM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: With the submission I reported earlier, the only computer generated material it had was the opening and closing credits and that's not good enough to keep it in the portal. It's just a guy trying to make a little documentary on how much he loves the TV show 'Pawn Stars'. It deserves to be removed since it barely has any computer generated material and has no animation whatsoever.
Tom said "live action is ok if it has a nice amount of post-production work going on" just the editing together of footage counts as post-production. There does need to be a line drawn somewhere, and I will agree that the submission you reported isn't anything special. Still, having no animation isn't really a reason for it to be removed. Of course, that's up to a mod to decide :p
I wouldn't consider it abusive, it's a useless review to say that it belongs somewhere else, so I agree with the change. I don't think it will ever really be accepted here since NG was build on animation, not live action material. If you ask me, if you want live action material, go where everybody is saying it belongs, YouTube. There's tons of it there and that's what built YouTube up just like animation built up Newgrounds.
The review space is for reviews. Saying something doesn't belong on Newgrounds isn't a review. I think that anything that isn't a review should be abusive, it can't be a useless review if it isn't a review :p It's like how saying that something shouldn't be on the front page is typically abusive.
And I'm all for keeping Newgrounds purely animation. I prefer animation to live action but I'm also open to live action being a part of Newgrounds because there could be some really great stuff. Newgrounds is "Everything by Everyone" after all :P
The point is that, according to Tom Fulp, there is a policy in place for live action, and sometimes things are posted here just because they're live action, even if it fits under that policy of "a nice amount of post-production".
At 8/1/14 10:07 PM, artistunknown wrote:
Tom said "live action is ok if it has a nice amount of post-production work going on" just the editing together of footage counts as post-production. There does need to be a line drawn somewhere, and I will agree that the submission you reported isn't anything special. Still, having no animation isn't really a reason for it to be removed. Of course, that's up to a mod to decide :p
Editing a live action submission that has a little to no computer generated material or animation is a waste of time if you're going to try and upload it here. If someone edits a submission like that and it gets removed, that sucks for them, but they should've uploaded it to YouTube in the first place or they can at least upload it there afterwards. It's not like, 'oh, I just edited all of this for nothing', they can upload it somewhere else where it will be more appreciated.
I wouldn't consider it abusive, it's a useless review to say that it belongs somewhere else, so I agree with the change. I don't think it will ever really be accepted here since NG was build on animation, not live action material. If you ask me, if you want live action material, go where everybody is saying it belongs, YouTube. There's tons of it there and that's what built YouTube up just like animation built up Newgrounds.The review space is for reviews. Saying something doesn't belong on Newgrounds isn't a review. I think that anything that isn't a review should be abusive, it can't be a useless review if it isn't a review :p It's like how saying that something shouldn't be on the front page is typically abusive.
If you type anything into that review box and click 'post' it's either a helpful, useless, or abusive review. The people who post those kind of reviews deserve to have their review removed since it's useless. I always click the useless box if I see a review like that even though the submission should just probably be removed anyway because they're not getting any constructive criticism.
And I'm all for keeping Newgrounds purely animation. I prefer animation to live action but I'm also open to live action being a part of Newgrounds because there could be some really great stuff. Newgrounds is "Everything by Everyone" after all :P
The point is that, according to Tom Fulp, there is a policy in place for live action, and sometimes things are posted here just because they're live action, even if it fits under that policy of "a nice amount of post-production".
I'd be for a little bit of live action material around here if it all wasn't such crap (or at least what I've seen). I honestly believe that this website shouldn't have any since those submissions always get bombed with 'this doesn't belong here' or 'this has potential, but it belongs on YouTube' reviews. Maybe over time more people will appreciate live action submissions more, but it won't be very many.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
At 8/1/14 10:35 PM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: Editing a live action submission that has a little to no computer generated material or animation is a waste of time if you're going to try and upload it here. If someone edits a submission like that and it gets removed, that sucks for them, but they should've uploaded it to YouTube in the first place or they can at least upload it there afterwards. It's not like, 'oh, I just edited all of this for nothing', they can upload it somewhere else where it will be more appreciated.
Actually most of the time live action stuff is allowed to stay if it's obviously not rule breaking and decent quality, but the author's usually end up removing them themselves because, I assume, they're discouraged at the lack of appreciation for live action on Newgrounds. Some reviewers give actual reviews of the content, while other just talk about how it doesn't belong here. I've seen a few decent and good live action submissions be removed by their authors and it really saddens me because i really felt they were in the Newgrounds spirit.
If you type anything into that review box and click 'post' it's either a helpful, useless, or abusive review. The people who post those kind of reviews deserve to have their review removed since it's useless. I always click the useless box if I see a review like that even though the submission should just probably be removed anyway because they're not getting any constructive criticism.
Well yes, but under the review box there's a little message in bold red text detailing what generally should be in a review "Remember, you're submitting a REVIEW for this CONTENT. This isn't a place for you to make smug jokes, post stupid nonsense, or act like a total jerk. " That's basically saying if it isn't a review of the content, it shouldn't be posted. And a submission not getting any constructive criticism is a horrible reason for it to be removed. The author isn't to blame if their work isn't appreciated. It's like how personal attacks toward an author aren't allowed. In fact, I'm pretty sure straight up saying in a review that a submission should be removed is abusive.
I'd be for a little bit of live action material around here if it all wasn't such crap (or at least what I've seen). I honestly believe that this website shouldn't have any since those submissions always get bombed with 'this doesn't belong here' or 'this has potential, but it belongs on YouTube' reviews. Maybe over time more people will appreciate live action submissions more, but it won't be very many.
On the contrary, live action submissions used to be pretty common a long time ago, way before the video player was even a thing, and they were totally appreciated, people didn't even treat them differently than the animations. That is only a recent thing. I will agree with you that a lot of the live action that pops up nowadays is very low quality, but like I said earlier I have seen some really good things be submitted and then removed by the author because of the reviews and low score. There's even been a few live action things recently from popular users or just related to Newgrounds that have been totally fine to the reviewers, so how come people think those are fine but other live action things of equal quality aren't? Just because one person is popular and the others aren't? That's not really fair...
At 8/1/14 10:56 PM, artistunknown wrote:At 8/1/14 10:35 PM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: Editing a live action submission that has a little to no computer generated material or animation is a waste of time if you're going to try and upload it here. If someone edits a submission like that and it gets removed, that sucks for them, but they should've uploaded it to YouTube in the first place or they can at least upload it there afterwards. It's not like, 'oh, I just edited all of this for nothing', they can upload it somewhere else where it will be more appreciated.Actually most of the time live action stuff is allowed to stay if it's obviously not rule breaking and decent quality, but the author's usually end up removing them themselves because, I assume, they're discouraged at the lack of appreciation for live action on Newgrounds. Some reviewers give actual reviews of the content, while other just talk about how it doesn't belong here. I've seen a few decent and good live action submissions be removed by their authors and it really saddens me because i really felt they were in the Newgrounds spirit.
I never said that those kind of submissions always get removed, but okay. Yes, what you're saying is true, they get removed one of two ways a lot of the time. I've seen a good review here and there as well, but I always see the usual 'this doesn't belong here, remove it' kind of review.
If you type anything into that review box and click 'post' it's either a helpful, useless, or abusive review. The people who post those kind of reviews deserve to have their review removed since it's useless. I always click the useless box if I see a review like that even though the submission should just probably be removed anyway because they're not getting any constructive criticism.Well yes, but under the review box there's a little message in bold red text detailing what generally should be in a review "Remember, you're submitting a REVIEW for this CONTENT. This isn't a place for you to make smug jokes, post stupid nonsense, or act like a total jerk. " That's basically saying if it isn't a review of the content, it shouldn't be posted. And a submission not getting any constructive criticism is a horrible reason for it to be removed. The author isn't to blame if their work isn't appreciated. It's like how personal attacks toward an author aren't allowed. In fact, I'm pretty sure straight up saying in a review that a submission should be removed is abusive.
What's the point of posting a review if you're not giving constructive criticism? Yes, there are reviews that just say, 'I love your work, man!' and stuff of that nature, which I don't think get removed and even though not harmful, they're not helpful. Sure, they'll give the author some self esteem, but you can't gain any knowledge from that about any kind of flaw that you might have in your submission. I'm not encouraging those kinds of reviews to be removed, but they don't really help anyone. Also, I wouldn't flag any reviews that say a submission should be removed without asking a mod if it's abusive because I have a feeling it would get cleared. I swear I've flagged a few of those in my time and they got cleared.
I'd be for a little bit of live action material around here if it all wasn't such crap (or at least what I've seen). I honestly believe that this website shouldn't have any since those submissions always get bombed with 'this doesn't belong here' or 'this has potential, but it belongs on YouTube' reviews. Maybe over time more people will appreciate live action submissions more, but it won't be very many.On the contrary, live action submissions used to be pretty common a long time ago, way before the video player was even a thing, and they were totally appreciated, people didn't even treat them differently than the animations. That is only a recent thing. I will agree with you that a lot of the live action that pops up nowadays is very low quality, but like I said earlier I have seen some really good things be submitted and then removed by the author because of the reviews and low score. There's even been a few live action things recently from popular users or just related to Newgrounds that have been totally fine to the reviewers, so how come people think those are fine but other live action things of equal quality aren't? Just because one person is popular and the others aren't? That's not really fair...
Right, but like you said it was a long time ago. NG is an animation based website now, not live action. I don't know how recent the change on the view of live action submissions is, but those kind of submissions will never be appreciated here as much as they should if it's a good submission. Who wants to see that kind of stuff here if YouTube exists? Not many and that's a fact. For the population thing, even though it's not fair, It's a common disadvantage in the world, if you're not popular, not many people will care.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
What's the point of posting a review if you're not giving constructive criticism? Yes, there are reviews that just say, 'I love your work, man!' and stuff of that nature, which I don't think get removed and even though not harmful, they're not helpful. Sure, they'll give the author some self esteem, but you can't gain any knowledge from that about any kind of flaw that you might have in your submission. I'm not encouraging those kinds of reviews to be removed, but they don't really help anyone. Also, I wouldn't flag any reviews that say a submission should be removed without asking a mod if it's abusive because I have a feeling it would get cleared. I swear I've flagged a few of those in my time and they got cleared.
Well if the author isn't gaining anything from a review then the review is useless. Unfortunately a lot of people falsely mark a lot of useless and abusive reviews as helpful. But yeah, there are some more iffy parts of whether some reviews are abusive. I know every time I've talked with mods about reviews saying that a submission should be removed, they've been found as abusive. I suppose that's more up to the mod than anything. There really doesn't seem to be any concrete rules about what is or isn't abusive other than the obvious things like threats toward the author or flooding the review space, or spam, but I know there have been some unofficial guides made throughout the years with things that most mods generally agree on.
Right, but like you said it was a long time ago. NG is an animation based website now, not live action. I don't know how recent the change on the view of live action submissions is, but those kind of submissions will never be appreciated here as much as they should if it's a good submission. Who wants to see that kind of stuff here if YouTube exists? Not many and that's a fact. For the population thing, even though it's not fair, It's a common disadvantage in the world, if you're not popular, not many people will care.
Well that post by Tom was recent so officially the stance on live action hasn't changed, so the site isn't just strictly animation, but for whatever reason a lot of members see it differently.
As for the question of who wants to see live action here, I suppose the general public doesn't want to as is revealed with the reviews, but if someone wants to find independent live action films on youtube, they'd have to do quite a bit of searching with how hard it is to find stuff from less popular people on there. To me, and I'm sure a lot of other people, Newgrounds has always been a place where the underdog can succeed. Unlike youtube, people will see your stuff here if you submit it, regardless of how many fans you have. The only way to become popular is to keep submitting your work until it one day catches on. Someone shouldn't be punished because they're not popular.
To any aspiring film maker, having an instant audience of a few hundred people at least sounds like a pretty sweet deal, and that's why they would submit here, that's why animators starting out submit here, because people will see their stuff.
This has been a pretty good discussion ;3
At 8/1/14 11:57 PM, SCTE3 wrote: Before the debate of live action stuff continues, I feel more lenient if the content has tasteful comedic value (as in not being racist or flat out homophobic or gorey, etc etc.) Bonus points if it's animated. Drama and that kind of stuff doesn't really belong unless heavily edited (check out GAMECUBICLE's stuff for example.)
just my 2 cents, no rules strictly stating live action stuff is never allowed, we have Super Slumber Party and smosh for example
I'd like to see more story-driven, legitimate films with good production values on here personally, as well as more live action/animation hybrids. I don't think I've seen any of those on here actually.
At 8/2/14 12:18 AM, SCTE3 wrote: Same thoughts, would make the Movies portal a bit more open to things than just strictly flash animations.
I wish live action were more appreciated. If it was I'd be more confident to post my live action works here, but until then... heh
On the subject of things that aren't appreciated in the movie portal though: flash animation is obviously the most accepted, and cgi seems to be accepted as well, but from what I've seen stop-motion seems to be frowned upon by a lot of people now as well, which is really confusing.
At 8/2/14 12:28 AM, SCTE3 wrote: The only time I've seen stop-motion frowned on is if the editing was done very badly.
I've seen some well-made stop-motions with LEGO bricks that haven't been well received by the voters, though it seems very rare that that happens.
Like this has some problems, but was pretty well made and doesn't really deserve that low of a score in my opinion. The reviewers seem to agree.
Looking at stuff tagged with "lego" though, it seems I'm not entirely right with the assumption that their scores are lower :p
At 8/2/14 12:28 AM, SCTE3 wrote:
Would you remove this or no? It's a documentary about how much a guy loves Pawn Stars. No animation or anything.
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Unpublished Submission
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
At 8/1/14 11:40 PM, artistunknown wrote:
As for the question of who wants to see live action here, I suppose the general public doesn't want to as is revealed with the reviews, but if someone wants to find independent live action films on youtube, they'd have to do quite a bit of searching with how hard it is to find stuff from less popular people on there. To me, and I'm sure a lot of other people, Newgrounds has always been a place where the underdog can succeed. Unlike youtube, people will see your stuff here if you submit it, regardless of how many fans you have. The only way to become popular is to keep submitting your work until it one day catches on. Someone shouldn't be punished because they're not popular.
To any aspiring film maker, having an instant audience of a few hundred people at least sounds like a pretty sweet deal, and that's why they would submit here, that's why animators starting out submit here, because people will see their stuff.
Both YouTube and NG are places where underdogs can succeed. There's a Let's Play gamer I've been watching for almost two years now, who was an underdog and now he has almost 3 million people following him. Just making a point that both are good places for becoming well known if you're good enough.
As for just submitting stuff until it catches on one day doesn't get you far for most people. Doing a collab with someone who's already known is a common way of getting more known. It's true that a decent number of people can see your submission here until it passes judgment (or gets blammed), but a lot of people hardly get recognized unless you have a unique style, good humor or you're a great animator. Also, it's not being punished if you're not popular, you just haven't become more well known or you'll never become well known, that's life.
YouTube does have the bigger community and it would be harder to try and find someone's work, but when you think about it, The YouTube community isn't into most of the live action stuff that gets submitted here either if it gets uploaded on YouTube. Nobody on either site cares that much about your school project or a really amateur Claymation or whatever. The Claymation's on YouTube that are really popular are really good. They're nothing like the ones you see here.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
At 8/2/14 01:15 AM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: Both YouTube and NG are places where underdogs can succeed. There's a Let's Play gamer I've been watching for almost two years now, who was an underdog and now he has almost 3 million people following him. Just making a point that both are good places for becoming well known if you're good enough.
It's easy for someone who makes let's plays to become popular on youtube because its system is catered to that kind of content, plus people actually look for let's plays. It's really hard for an animator or film maker to get discovered on youtube because generally people aren't looking for that stuff, unless their animation or film is relevant to something, like a parody. When uploading something to newgrounds, there's the chance it will be placed on the front page and then a lot more people will see it. Some noob on youtube would never have their first video placed on youtube's front page, but that could very possibly happen here. Being good enough has nothing to do with popularity. If you're making something that no one is looking for, no one will ever see it, and it could be the best thing ever made.
As for just submitting stuff until it catches on one day doesn't get you far for most people. Doing a collab with someone who's already known is a common way of getting more known. It's true that a decent number of people can see your submission here until it passes judgment (or gets blammed), but a lot of people hardly get recognized unless you have a unique style, good humor or you're a great animator. Also, it's not being punished if you're not popular, you just haven't become more well known or you'll never become well known, that's life.
It's really hard to contact someone that's already popular to try to collab with them. I will admit that the average submission here gets far less views now than they did a few years ago, but it's still a lot more views than on youtube, but again, there's the possibility of being put on the front page and getting a lot of exposure. And the punishment comment was moreso about non-popular authors submitting live action and getting horrible reception, while popular authors can submit live action and everyone will love it.
YouTube does have the bigger community and it would be harder to try and find someone's work, but when you think about it, The YouTube community isn't into most of the live action stuff that gets submitted here either if it gets uploaded on YouTube. Nobody on either site cares that much about your school project or a really amateur Claymation or whatever. The Claymation's on YouTube that are really popular are really good. They're nothing like the ones you see here.
There's a lot of really well-made claymations here though...
Again, the difference between youtube and Newgrounds is if you submit something here, someone will see it. If someone sees it, they might like it. The stuff is allowed, and some people like it.
At 8/2/14 12:50 AM, DeftonesFan665 wrote:At 8/2/14 12:28 AM, SCTE3 wrote:Would you remove this or no? It's a documentary about how much a guy loves Pawn Stars. No animation or anything.
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Unpublished Submission
Please kick that the F out.
Animation vs Live Action:
Newgrounds (technically, "pre-Newgrounds", but for now...) was started as a place where Tom and a few other people could post their flash animations. Later, they got to games as well. He started posting other peoples' flash work when they started coming to him and asking him to put theirs up as well. Eventually, the voting systen was put in place, and voila, we have Newgrounds.
Newgrounds was started as a site for flash animators to display their work. That's what made it special and unique and even exclusive. Those of us who have been here forever remember the day when 'movies' were discussed and flatly rejected by nearly all; animations won flat out.
The more live action that shows up here, the more will come, and eventually, we'll be posting our animations right next to the video of the kid falling off his bike, and the latest upload from pewdiepie. NO thank you.
At 8/2/14 01:35 AM, artistunknown wrote:At 8/2/14 01:15 AM, DeftonesFan665 wrote: Both YouTube and NG are places where underdogs can succeed. There's a Let's Play gamer I've been watching for almost two years now, who was an underdog and now he has almost 3 million people following him. Just making a point that both are good places for becoming well known if you're good enough.It's easy for someone who makes let's plays to become popular on youtube because its system is catered to that kind of content, plus people actually look for let's plays. It's really hard for an animator or film maker to get discovered on youtube because generally people aren't looking for that stuff, unless their animation or film is relevant to something, like a parody. When uploading something to newgrounds, there's the chance it will be placed on the front page and then a lot more people will see it. Some noob on youtube would never have their first video placed on youtube's front page, but that could very possibly happen here. Being good enough has nothing to do with popularity. If you're making something that no one is looking for, no one will ever see it, and it could be the best thing ever made.
It's not easy to become a Let's Play gamer anymore because there are already bigger names out there that people will watch if they want to watch a Let's Play. Those are the ones that pop up first, not the aspiring ones. YouTube's popularity is also different than Newgrounds popularity since it's a way bigger community. 50,000 subscribers on YouTube isn't a big deal because on YouTube you usually don't even get half the amount of your subscribers for views. Then again, it always depends on the game you play. 50,000 fans here is a HUGE deal. And of course being good doesn't always have to do with popularity, look at PewDiePie, biggest cancer on YouTube and he has almost thirty million subscribers.
As for just submitting stuff until it catches on one day doesn't get you far for most people. Doing a collab with someone who's already known is a common way of getting more known. It's true that a decent number of people can see your submission here until it passes judgment (or gets blammed), but a lot of people hardly get recognized unless you have a unique style, good humor or you're a great animator. Also, it's not being punished if you're not popular, you just haven't become more well known or you'll never become well known, that's life.It's really hard to contact someone that's already popular to try to collab with them. I will admit that the average submission here gets far less views now than they did a few years ago, but it's still a lot more views than on youtube, but again, there's the possibility of being put on the front page and getting a lot of exposure. And the punishment comment was moreso about non-popular authors submitting live action and getting horrible reception, while popular authors can submit live action and everyone will love it.
It's hard to be able to contact them? No. Being able to actually collab with someone well known? Yes. I never said it's easy, but people do go for that approach. Let's not forget that sure, you can get on the front page if your submission is well received, but you can still remain not well known. Some people only get one submission to the front page or maybe two.
YouTube does have the bigger community and it would be harder to try and find someone's work, but when you think about it, The YouTube community isn't into most of the live action stuff that gets submitted here either if it gets uploaded on YouTube. Nobody on either site cares that much about your school project or a really amateur Claymation or whatever. The Claymation's on YouTube that are really popular are really good. They're nothing like the ones you see here.There's a lot of really well-made claymations here though...
Again, the difference between youtube and Newgrounds is if you submit something here, someone will see it. If someone sees it, they might like it. The stuff is allowed, and some people like it.
All I've seen are crappy ones, but I don't doubt that there are a few good ones.
It's all shits and giggles until someone giggles and shits.
At 8/2/14 01:35 AM, artistunknown wrote: It's really hard for an animator or film maker to get discovered on youtube because generally people aren't looking for that stuff, unless their animation or film is relevant to something, like a parody.
Which is why Newgrounds being exclusive to animation is so important.
There's a lot of really well-made claymations here though...
Claymations actually count as animation, since even though they're not being drawn, the characters are still being animated by the creator. And yes, there are some good claymations on here.
At 8/2/14 01:50 AM, Exedor wrote: Please kick that the F out.
Animation vs Live Action:
The more live action that shows up here, the more will come, and eventually, we'll be posting our animations right next to the video of the kid falling off his bike, and the latest upload from pewdiepie. NO thank you.
Glad to see you're just going to ignore every point I made and the fact that Tom Fulp himself stated what kind of live action is acceptable on Newgrounds.
