At 5/11/12 11:30 PM, Spretznaz wrote: Is it possible to stop this guy from making alts short of an ip ban?

I'm pretty sure that once enough evidence has mounded up by him re submitting then Tom or Wade will step in and bitch slap him with an IP ban. Until then we can just keep at it, I like his description, the answer is just keep getting it removed.

At 5/12/12 02:04 PM, SCTE3 wrote: I can understand this. Those accounts don't seem to submit very often unlike shovelware accounts that submit their shit in a daily-weekly basis.

There's also the gray area of accounts created in the last couple days or so. I'm seeing huge numbers of possible shovelware submitted by accounts created the same day. I'm not sure if those should be automatically ruled as shovelware or should be watched for a few days to see if they continue. By "automatic" I mean accounts tha submit crap such as dress up games, or possibly games with the logo of a known shovelware site (such as games2rule) on their first day.

Kind of like SunriseKingdom which seems to be one yet all the games are done with Stencyl?

Wouldn't Stencyl actually be an easier way to quickly throw together shovelware? If you think about it, Stencyl's a free application. Even if you buy the developer package, it's still $400-500 cheaper than Flash. Also, it takes even littler effort to make a game with Stencyl than with Flash (no coding/artistic skills needed). If SunriseKingdom and games420 (their Stencyl tutorial game is under judgment right now) were making the exact same games, but with Flash, they would be blatant shovelware according to Sheizenhammer's/your criteria.

More specifically.... mochiads. Those ads that show after a moment where you have to wait for the advertisement to
play then click on "PLAY GAME >" which will likely take you to the games normal loading screen in some cases. That
there, usually tells me it is a shovelware account if it is new and tends to bear "game" or "123" in their name
somewhere.

There are quite a few legitimate accounts that use mochiads, but the vast majority have switched to NG ad revenue. I'd say it's about a 60-80 percent probability, as of now, that a game with mochiads is shovelware.

In my time of seeing shovelware in the last year or two, I have yet to see one give enough of a shit to actually modify
the game after it passed to put ads on their game, much less bother to check their inbox or see what reviews they have
received on their junk.

I would think that most shovelware accounts only exist to submit games, much less swap their files. Most of them probably didn't even know that all of their submissions were deleted last month until they were blocked from submitting more.

And how often they submit. Are they submitting 2 games per day almost everyday, probably shovelware unless it is the
rare chance it is an actual user who just finished up a series of games and couldn't fit them all in one file.

Again, there's that gray area of first-day submissions.

Flagging? Well I hope we can do that soon enough. :P As far as marking things that look like they have been uploaded
before, if it looks familiar it is best to hunt on the site to see if it has been. If the flash has a credits page and shows it
was made in another year by a completely different user then it would be worth getting marked obviously.

Wouldn't these fall under "stolen" instead of "shovelware"?

Agreeable and usually you can tell the difference between a shovelware and legitimate account. The legitimate one
usually says "I made..." somewhere in the description whereas a shovelware account is always seemingly talking in
second or third person. Then legitimate accounts listen to the reviewers, respond to inbox questions and such whereas
a shovelware account never does nor cares what the site thinks of them or if the site wants them gone as they will keep
coming back anyways it appears.

In addition, most shovelware accounts give overblown descriptions that look like they were written by 8 year olds. They also don't say anything about how/why they made the game, whereas legitimate ones talk about themselves and write like they actually care about the game. I have seen a couple of them say things along the lines of "Enjoy, plz vote 5!" to give a shitty attempt at appearing legitimate, though.

Also, I noticed everyone was talking about how to make a flash/guide to explain what is/is not shovelware. He might not have the time, but I think that if Tom could put it in a news post, many more people would see it than otherwise.

At 5/11/12 06:11 PM, SpiffyMasta wrote: There's an important thing that you need to remember here. A lot of the submitters are simply creating new account to work around this. We've caught gamesgrow more than once with multiple accounts submitting.

Of course. That's why I made no mention of accounts anywhere in that post: If you've seen the same base game with only a different skin more than a couple of times, no matter what the game is or how many accounts you've seen it appear on, it's time to make with the PMs to Wade. It's all about judging flashes on their own (lack of) merits, since as you know, blacklisting accounts just doesn't work here.

Must've fell out of your butt crack. Let me sniff it.

*looks at your icon*
*laughs uncontrollably*

At 5/12/12 01:29 AM, Decky wrote:

At 5/11/12 11:30 PM, Spretznaz wrote: Is it possible to stop this guy from making alts short of an ip ban?

I'm pretty sure that once enough evidence has mounded up by him re submitting then Tom or Wade will step in and bitch slap him with an IP ban. Until then we can just keep at it, I like his description, the answer is just keep getting it removed.

Wait a minute, I remember that username....

If it's the same guy as last time, I wouldn't count on an IP ban doing much here. He'll likely get bored and leave of his own accord anyway, though, so meh. Stupid is as stupid does.

At 5/12/12 07:16 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote: Of course. That's why I made no mention of accounts anywhere in that post:

It seems that a week of no internet has left me unable to type coherent sentences. So to clarify: No mention of specific accounts and / or going after people via account names etc.

'Scuse me while I go bang my head on a wall for a while.

At 5/13/12 01:50 PM, SCTE3 wrote: Usually a good idea to give the account a couple of days to see what the user/site uploads and how often they plan to upload content.

Here's a perfectly-timed example of one to watch. The only adverts in it are for the site it came from, but everything else ticks all the generic shovelware boxes.

Don't bang it too much or you'll have a really bad headache.

Meh; I'm numb from work anyway. :P

At 5/13/12 02:51 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote:

At 5/13/12 01:50 PM, SCTE3 wrote: Usually a good idea to give the account a couple of days to see what the user/site uploads and how often they plan to upload content.

Here's a perfectly-timed example of one to watch. The only adverts in it are for the site it came from, but everything else ticks all the generic shovelware boxes.

I don't understand. Is that a shovelware account? I don't think so because shovelware accounts usually just submit games but that account also responds to reviews.

Stolen flash:

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I can't find the original, but it has a 2006 copyright by someone with a completely different username. It also has those annoying white spaces.

At 5/13/12 11:15 PM, Gimmick wrote: I don't understand. Is that a shovelware account? I don't think so because shovelware accounts usually just submit games but that account also responds to reviews.

Hmmmm, I doubt that the staff would care if the author responds to reviews or not. The fact that he spends probably the smallest amount of time on here just to respond to reviews says nothing other then he probably uses flash tutorials too much to create something truly generic.

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At 5/14/12 11:29 PM, Spretznaz wrote: Number 7
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595553

Looks like he finally got deleted and ip banned. LOL

At 5/15/12 11:21 AM, SpiffyMasta wrote:

At 5/14/12 11:29 PM, Spretznaz wrote: Number 7

Looks like he finally got deleted and ip banned. LOL

And justice is served in the portal, it seems that the staff are pulling their fingers out more since the redesign to get the portal clean.

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I didn't think people were this stupid, but it seems I was wrong. When you open the flash up it says who the original owner of the flash is. If this passes judgement, with the stolen and deletion tags on it then I will seriously wonder.

On another note hi everyone here.

At 5/15/12 07:51 PM, SCTE3 wrote:

At 5/15/12 07:41 PM, LittleWashu wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595601
I didn't think people were this stupid, but it seems I was wrong. When you open the flash up it says who the original owner of the flash is. If this passes judgement, with the stolen and deletion tags on it then I will seriously wonder.

Really doubt the song they uploaded is their song either.

You could be right. But on another note the stolen flash that was labeled stolen and up for deletion pass the portal. God we need our whistle back because this is just sad. I miss the days when shit like this was marked for review or blammed because it was known to be stolen.

Yet another dress up games raises it's ugly head in The Portal.

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This last person who submitted this crap has his/her account deleted. Looks like this user made another account to continue spamming this shame crap.

At 5/16/12 01:12 PM, LittleWashu wrote: This last person who submitted this crap has his/her account deleted. Looks like this user made another account to continue spamming this shame crap.

I thought he got IP banned, I'm guessing what I heard wasn't true or he managed to get himself a new computer to work from.

At 5/16/12 01:14 PM, Decky wrote: I thought he got IP banned, I'm guessing what I heard wasn't true or he managed to get himself a new computer to work from.

There's workarounds to that. Although what he submitted isn't technically rule breaking, I'm sure Wade will delete it or something.

This is stolen

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At 5/16/12 01:12 PM, LittleWashu wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595644
This last person who submitted this crap has his/her account deleted. Looks like this user made another account to continue spamming this shame crap.

I've notified Wade, he took care of it.

Aaaand once again...

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And thanks to LittleWashu for pointing me in the direction of this thread. :)

At 5/16/12 03:08 PM, SFS1313 wrote: Aaaand once again...
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595651

I thought he was IP banned...

At 5/16/12 03:51 PM, Spretznaz wrote: I thought he was IP banned...

Like I said before: I remember the username, and if it's the same guy as last time it won't matter. He'll just keep changing his IP address until he gets bored and leaves again.

Dunno why you're even bothering to report that shit anymore; he's plainly jerking off to the attention he's getting and the admins must know to watch for it themselves by now.

At 5/16/12 04:23 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote:

At 5/16/12 03:51 PM, Spretznaz wrote: I thought he was IP banned...

Like I said before: I remember the username, and if it's the same guy as last time it won't matter. He'll just keep changing his IP address until he gets bored and leaves again.

Dunno why you're even bothering to report that shit anymore; he's plainly jerking off to the attention he's getting and the admins must know to watch for it themselves by now.

I guess I can ignore it since it doesn't do anything terrible.

Also, stolen flash

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At 5/16/12 04:47 PM, Spretznaz wrote:
I guess I can ignore it since it doesn't do anything terrible.

Yes just ignore. At this point we have plenty of people keeping an ey on it and reporting to Wade directly.

Also, stolen flash
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595654

Yea he submitted this earlier http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595636 which Wade already deleted.

At 5/16/12 04:47 PM, Spretznaz wrote: Also, stolen flash
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595654

He just swapped it for another file. Is that the actual flash without the warning?

At 5/16/12 06:13 PM, SCTE3 wrote:

At 5/16/12 06:05 PM, Spretznaz wrote:

At 5/16/12 04:47 PM, Spretznaz wrote: Also, stolen flash
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595654

He just swapped it for another file. Is that the actual flash without the warning?

Nope, just a shovelware game now.

When the whistle comes back, does anyone know if shovelware is going to be a whistle-able offence?

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/595661
Stolen from ZONE-SAMA's website Hentaikey.

This time you beat me to it. Now we're even.

At 5/16/12 06:24 PM, SCTE3 wrote:

At 5/16/12 06:18 PM, Spretznaz wrote: When the whistle comes back, does anyone know if shovelware is going to be a whistle-able offence?

Don't think anyone knows at the moment. I do hope that they can be flagged.

Same here, with the amount that gets submitted I'll be able to get the deity whistle in no time at all.

I hope they will bring the whistle back I dislike not being able to flag possible stolen flashes like the one just linked. Stolen from Zone-Sama one of those authors who seem to there work stolen. Fazzyplex I wonder if he was one of those spammers from the past ,cant think which one who had hundreds of alts accounts. Would not surprise me at all I do really the whistle option though.

At 5/17/12 08:23 AM, Lizzardis wrote: Chris Beer? Or are you talking about the Duck Division?

Also... Hi hi! I'm alive!... Just.

Highly doubt it. Their tactics are much different, and the content much more illegal.

Hai by the way!! Miss ya old buddy. Stick around would ya.

These people STILL have no idea what is or isn't shovelware
(mochiads slapped onto crap)

Oh, and can someone try to make sense of this description for me? It's from this game.

Who likes puzzle consists, we now really come to its.
This game contains 40 images, which are randomly and even to the time.
When they manage to cope with the image at the time, you get bonus points for time and remaining time. And then you go to the next round, where it got more complicated picture. How far you go, you will be on your dexterity. If you fail any of the wheels at the time to handle, this game ends.
To control Puzzle 40 use it only the mouse. Click on the image scale and take it further by clicking on the rotate 90 degrees.
After placing the right place just click and scale shall be placed in the image.

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