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Mid-Year Online Safety Update

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At 7/31/25 01:01 AM, Porter wrote:
At 7/31/25 12:35 AM, Beetledrum wrote:And when the user does turn 18 they can get the M-A rated content aswell.
Agreed.

Once a user has set their birthday, its going to remain that way and wont be modifiable.

Hmm. Speaking from experience, parents could lie for their kid when making an account. Had my parents create my first online accounts when I was 10. One of those sites was Flipnote, and if you were below 13, you had to be approved to be let in, and if so, you received a certificate of approval! (Weird and unheard of these days...)

My point being is with that system, parents could lie for their childs age online to gain access to the web. As the line from old commercials say, "Ask your parents permission before going online." But hey, what do I know, what do you think?


I have never encountered this before.

Some parents actually do this? Well, then it isnt just kids doing it.


As for Ng, I also had the controversial idea To add Tags to accounts.

For example If an account is Deemed safe for viewing theres a green tag "SAFE" next to it (basicaly less M-A rated stuff and more E-T rated stuff on an account).

But if the account is Strictly for posting NSFW content (less E-T content, more M-A rated content on profile) there would be a red tag with "FOR ADULTS" written on it.

And if a user is under 18, Accounts with the "FOR ADULTS" label would be Invisible to them (basicaly if they were blocked, all posts invisible, with the added feature of the account ITSELF being invisible.)


I have made a concept image of what they might look like:

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Again this idea might be flawed in alot of ways but this is what I had in mind.


But If you feel like this is unecessary, I wont blame you. Parents should be better at parenting and not being better at not giving a crap about what their kids see, Bad parenting always leads to disaster, especially when it comes to the internet.

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 01:20:23


At 7/31/25 12:56 AM, Beetledrum wrote:One more thing I'll say in relation to this.
Its never about "Protecting the children". If it was there would be arrests made left and right. But nope
Its about how much they can push the internet to be censored, to make us see things how they see them, and not from both sides of the coin.
Speaking of Censoring the internet, this has been going on since the 90's, there was a reason why Rotten.com was made back then.


exactly, "protect the children" is nothing more than a shield to get the lesser educated on their side whilst enjoying the real benefits like cracking down on people who would watch live streams online without a license

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I’m in South Carolina and it looks like I’m done for


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 01:35:20


a lot of the attacks on the internet world have been making me very sad lately, thank u for staying real mister fulp and friends


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 03:22:19


While it has been stated that a VPN ban is "off the table"....it's usually a straight up lie. I've been around this government long enough to see where shit is going at this point. What sucks is that the Reform UK is leading the charge and not any other political party (like a wolf trying to warn a flock of sheep who have been fooled before about a legit danger)

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 03:29:42


sounds pretty reasonable and sensible, to be honest. Cheers Tommy!

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 04:13:46


This is all about mass surveilance, nothing else. When kids use credit cards its up to the parents to control that. In the next years we have to go back to encrypted IRC chats because the surface web will become uttely unservicable by anyone besides Big Tech and their sock puppets.


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Newgrounds has been in correspondence with Ofcom (UK regulator) for the past year and has been working towards this deadline, despite missing it. We had already taken important steps like bringing age ratings to forum threads, blog posts and collabinator entries but when it comes to introducing additional layers of age verification, we decided it was time for some major internal overhauls, so that we aren’t just duct taping new messes to any already complicated system.

Regardless of age verification, these overhauls have been benefitting the site with better performance and will make NG easier to maintain into the future.

Regarding age verification, here is our current plan for UK users:

1. If your account is more than ten years old, we will assume you are currently over 18. This is in line with one of the methods of effective age assurance, which involves paying a third party to match your email address against some sort of database of scraped data, which determines if your email has been in use for a long time. We have our own long-term data, so we’ll use that instead.

2. If your account ever bought Supporter status with a credit card and we can confirm that with the payment processor, we will assume you are over 18 because you need to be 18 in the UK to have a credit card.

3. If your account ever bought Supporter status more than two years ago, we will assume you are over 18 because you need to be at least 16 to have a Paypal or debit card in the UK (assuming we are right about this).

4. If none of the above applies, you will have the opportunity to pay a small one-time fee via credit card as confirmation of your age.

We are not planning to offer things like ID checks or facial recognition because these require us to pay a third party to confirm each person. Because Newgrounds runs at a loss and doesn’t monetize users very well, this is not an option for us. As Wired noted, Big Tech is the only winner of the Online Safety Act because smaller websites can’t afford to keep up with this sort of regulation.


What happens if I don't pay the fee? I'm an adult(27 years old), but I've only had this account for 6 years(from July 2019 - present). The supporter status was gifted to me by someone else. Is payment mandatory to use this site, to upload music, art, movies, animation, and post blog posts? Sorry for the questions, I just want to know.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 04:25:27


Here's another one they're trying to sneak through. "SCREEN Act"


Have they not learned from the Tea app fiasco?


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 04:28:19


At 7/31/25 04:13 AM, Kamikaye wrote:This is all about mass surveilance, nothing else. When kids use credit cards its up to the parents to control that. In the next years we have to go back to encrypted IRC chats because the surface web will become uttely unservicable by anyone besides Big Tech and their sock puppets.


Exactly. FUCK THEM ALL. It's nothing to do with PrOTecTiNg ThE ChILdReN and everything to do with controlling people on the net. The children angle is so if you dare to go against it they can say "you don't care about them, you're one of them!"


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 04:29:05


At 7/31/25 04:13 AM, Kamikaye wrote:This is all about mass surveilance, nothing else. When kids use credit cards its up to the parents to control that. In the next years we have to go back to encrypted IRC chats because the surface web will become uttely unservicable by anyone besides Big Tech and their sock puppets.


Go back to IRC? My friend, the intelligent and good looking among us never left.


Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 04:44:41


At 7/31/25 04:24 AM, T3odora wrote:
Newgrounds has been in correspondence with Ofcom (UK regulator) for the past year and has been working towards this deadline, despite missing it. We had already taken important steps like bringing age ratings to forum threads, blog posts and collabinator entries but when it comes to introducing additional layers of age verification, we decided it was time for some major internal overhauls, so that we aren’t just duct taping new messes to any already complicated system.

Regardless of age verification, these overhauls have been benefitting the site with better performance and will make NG easier to maintain into the future.

Regarding age verification, here is our current plan for UK users:

1. If your account is more than ten years old, we will assume you are currently over 18. This is in line with one of the methods of effective age assurance, which involves paying a third party to match your email address against some sort of database of scraped data, which determines if your email has been in use for a long time. We have our own long-term data, so we’ll use that instead.

2. If your account ever bought Supporter status with a credit card and we can confirm that with the payment processor, we will assume you are over 18 because you need to be 18 in the UK to have a credit card.

3. If your account ever bought Supporter status more than two years ago, we will assume you are over 18 because you need to be at least 16 to have a Paypal or debit card in the UK (assuming we are right about this).

4. If none of the above applies, you will have the opportunity to pay a small one-time fee via credit card as confirmation of your age.

We are not planning to offer things like ID checks or facial recognition because these require us to pay a third party to confirm each person. Because Newgrounds runs at a loss and doesn’t monetize users very well, this is not an option for us. As Wired noted, Big Tech is the only winner of the Online Safety Act because smaller websites can’t afford to keep up with this sort of regulation.

What happens if I don't pay the fee? I'm an adult(27 years old), but I've only had this account for 6 years(from July 2019 - present). The supporter status was gifted to me by someone else. Is payment mandatory to use this site, to upload music, art, movies, animation, and post blog posts? Sorry for the questions, I just want to know.


You’re Romanian. Unless you’re in the UK, it wouldn’t apply to you.


If you’re in the UK, you would be unable to access Adult-rated content (I.e. like how it is currently for someone who accesses the site without having an account) but uploading submissions and blog posts would remain the same.



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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 05:11:23


At 7/30/25 04:38 PM, TomFulp wrote:European Union

The EU has now announced their guidelines to protect minors and will be requiring effective age assurance.

Unlike the UK, the EU has announced plans to establish a Digital ID Wallet. Assuming this happens, it should mean EU users can verify their age on NG for free.

That is good for users but to be frank, it would have been better for NG to just extend what we are already building for the UK. Instead, we will have to build a custom solution that interfaces with the Digital ID API. That’s assuming the Digital ID even happens; we may need to implement the UK solution in the meantime.

Side note, EU peeps might also want to check out the Stop Killing Games initiative.

America

There are now 24 states that have passed laws around age verification, requiring an ID check. Most of these laws have exemptions for social media and sites that aren’t entirely dedicated to porn but it’s likely we will need to implement verification in at least some states in the months ahead. If this happens, users will be charged a one-time verification fee and will need to verify their ID with a third party service. Your ID would not be retained by the third party, who only returns a True or False value for our records.

I am curious though, if you are in a US state and are experiencing ID checks on platforms like X, Bluesky or Reddit, let me know which state.

Country-wide, the Kids Online Safety Act has come back from the dead and there are concerns about how it will be implemented by the current administration.

KOSA does propose directing federal agencies to study device-level and OS-level age verification methods. I touched on this in my January Online Safety Update, where I referenced the Digital Age Assurance Act (DAAA). I’ll never understand why this wasn’t the starting point for any of these laws but I imagine Google, Apple and Microsoft might know why.

Because lawmakers ignored device-level verification, they have put the onus on millions of websites to do it instead. While you can generally trust a site like Newgrounds, things get murky when people start verifying on unknown sites. Even our kids will be accustomed to it, with apps like Roblox implementing face scans instead of requesting age data from the device. Imagine the sort of extortion that can happen when bad actors get personal identification from people who are looking at embarrassing topics. A whole new industry of scammers is probably being built around this.

Closing Thoughts

None of this has been fun but we’re trying to do what we need to do for NG to continue to exist.

One positive is that charging small verification fees will hopefully get Newgrounds closer to break-even, assuming we don’t run into trouble with payment processors. In the meantime, it would be greatly appreciated if more of you could become Supporters.

Where on earth are their parents if the kids are going online without supervision?


Hypocritically speaking, I am that kid who once looked around in the internet seeing some bad stuff (One of them was a from Newgrounds itself when sprites animation was still practiced at the time, or was slowly losing its relevance). Whatever, couldn't it be done had parents had been involved more than the government and politicians? It's absurd if parents agree to this themselves without consideration that they have let it happen because what? that it is futile?


From what I see it - It only incentivizes lying, stealth and wit just to access that fellas aren't doing a good job enforcing and educating as well, or hell - not give an imperative to use technology as much. But those are my two cents.


Besides that, I am not too confident about where the internet's going, although being an European and seeing what America has to go through with paying fees for ID check, I don't know - I can see issues with it but I cannot feign as knowledgeable on that beside speculation at best. While it benefits Newgrounds as stated above in a cite; it does only give a narrow view that other sites might have to deal within USA. For EU, this so-called "digital ID wallet" doesn't guarantee much other than it being a foundation for crypto to thrive from my purview, still however that's a mere speculation and I don't exactly follow a lot of that what's going on these days.


Then again, technology is a double-edged sword, it is when and how it is used.

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 05:13:25


For users who HAVEN'T been verified in select regions:


Are they blocked from the site entirely or just the A-rating?


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 05:20:27


I remember when Kids Online Safety Act used to be called Chil Online Protection Act. I personally prefer having privacy.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 05:23:19


Just testing it out for myself on an alt-account with the age set to 16, as a UK citizen.


  • I can access and use the site.
  • I can’t see adult content - the rating is not available to me.
  • I can make adult newsposts and portal submissions, but I can’t view the published files.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 05:24:01


That’s cool man


Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 05:32:26


I want to thank Tom Fulp for the transparency and honesty in facing this serious problem, thank you for clarifying some things, notably the EU part since I was wondering how EU acted towards this bs. Of course I need to learn more about this Digital ID Wallet, but if things keep going down the wrong path like it's happening now, considering both VPNs (I'm very glad someone mentioned Mullvad as I plan to use it in future) and cryptocurrency is becoming a tangible reality for me, and in the worst case scenario even stopping using this site for a while.


At 7/31/25 04:25 AM, Yomuchan wrote:Here's another one they're trying to sneak through. "SCREEN Act"

Have they not learned from the Tea app fiasco?


My mind read it as "SCREECH Act" XD


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Dort wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen- Heinrich Heine

La religione promette, la scienza mantiene- OsaSapere

Flaws are the best: they create anomalies, and anomalies bend into creativity-EmsDeLaRoZ

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How to detect AI-generated music (mainly Suno AI and Udio AI)

I believe that there's beauty in giving sadness a voice-ForgottenDawn

We can only say that we’re heading towards the tipping point and that AMOC tipping is possible-René van Westen

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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 05:46:16


At 7/31/25 05:43 AM, ShangXian wrote:For all EU citizens willing to know more about this Digital ID Wallet, I've found this:

https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/sites/display/EUDIGITALIDENTITYWALLET/EU+Digital+Identity+Wallet+Home

still reading it though.


thanks, was wondering what tf that was and it got me worried for a sec


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At 7/31/25 05:46 AM, solarfiction wrote:
At 7/31/25 05:43 AM, ShangXian wrote:For all EU citizens willing to know more about this Digital ID Wallet, I've found this:

https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/sites/display/EUDIGITALIDENTITYWALLET/EU+Digital+Identity+Wallet+Home

still reading it though.

thanks, was wondering what tf that was and it got me worried for a sec


You are welcome. Now I wonder if it can be used from a browser too, since I don't use my phone for these things. I think so but I don't know because this is too new for me and I'm not a fan of phones used for digital services.


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We can only say that we’re heading towards the tipping point and that AMOC tipping is possible-René van Westen

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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 06:07:27


I don't comment here much but since this is going to happen, I don't see Australia mention here. Like how it would continue to use the platform? Are you going to do the same current plan that the UK for Aussies? Or something else?

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What happens if I don't pay the fee? I'm an adult(27 years old), but I've only had this account for 6 years(from July 2019 - present). The supporter status was gifted to me by someone else. Is payment mandatory to use this site, to upload music, art, movies, animation, and post blog posts? Sorry for the questions, I just want to know.

You’re Romanian. Unless you’re in the UK, it wouldn’t apply to you.

If you’re in the UK, you would be unable to access Adult-rated content (I.e. like how it is currently for someone who accesses the site without having an account) but uploading submissions and blog posts would remain the same.


Thank you so much! I was worried for a second!

Anyway, I signed the petition against KOSA. I hope it helps.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 06:29:40


Thanks Tom. As always, I deeply appreciate your transparency with these sorts of things.


In the links provided by my previous comments, here a video explaining this Digital ID Wallet:



I don't like that I have to download a fucking app....hoping for a browser version, but I read here in the Questions and Answers about it that:


Member States will offer the wallet to their citizens and residents at the national level. Everyone will
be able to download, install and use the EU Digital Identity Wallet on their personal mobile phone or
device.


so maybe there's hope...but again I read here that will be an app...


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from: https://www.dock.io/post/eu-digital-identity-wallet


I share here the YT playlist about this identity wall and myths about it:


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyMUk47rPuqrl84rLYwWPBX-uLUAgfHC8


just to be honest since I want to show as much as I can find and not limit myself to only share things that feed confirmation bias just because I highly evaluate privacy. I like it has an open-source code though.


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Flaws are the best: they create anomalies, and anomalies bend into creativity-EmsDeLaRoZ

Origin of the signature

How to detect AI-generated music (mainly Suno AI and Udio AI)

I believe that there's beauty in giving sadness a voice-ForgottenDawn

We can only say that we’re heading towards the tipping point and that AMOC tipping is possible-René van Westen

Books should be read twice. Once to understand them, and once to think-Libero (Il diritto alla felicità)

Better to have loved and lost than to end up a bitter incel-Piss

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Stop killing games

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This online safety act bullshit pissed me off beyond belief, I'm horrified of the future and how many countries are gonna adopt this (the uk is just the testing ground, all countries yearn for such control over their citizens) yaay, the future! We're all fucked, I honestly think this is a point of no return, unless we go full Luigi Mangione route on these corpohead and government fuckers, they're never backing down. And for anyone defending this shit, fuck you, you're a brainwashed moron for thinking the government actually give a shit about children's safety


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At 7/30/25 10:13 PM, YendorRises wrote:
At 7/30/25 10:03 PM, NightfallGloam wrote:
At 7/30/25 09:57 PM, YendorRises wrote:Proton VPN is still a good VPN (if anyone was looking for recommendations). I do want to point out though that proton may be moving out of Switzerland due to the Swiss government starting to reconsider their stance on privacy.

I second this. Proton is great!

Also seriously, Swiss government? Especially during this time too? What are politicians smoking?

Bad NationState actors have abused the Swiss’ generous privacy laws to a point it threatens Swiss’ neutrality. From inside, the Swiss tech sector is pushing to open up data traditionally protected.

We truly cannot have nice things, can we?


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At 7/31/25 06:07 AM, BIXEL-Hearty wrote:I don't comment here much but since this is going to happen, I don't see Australia mention here. Like how it would continue to use the platform? Are you going to do the same current plan that the UK for Aussies? Or something else?


Has Australia finalized anything regarding ID checks? We did raise our minimum sign-up age to 16 this year, which is in better compliance with places like Australia and various US states that have been mandating a minimum age. There is talk in some of these places of having to verify the user is at least 16 but I think those proposals have been facing a lot of challenges.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-31 07:58:39


At 7/31/25 05:13 AM, CrimsonKero wrote:For users who HAVEN'T been verified in select regions:

Are they blocked from the site entirely or just the A-rating?


They would just be blocked from the A-rating.


If some places ever require ID checks for EVERY account, it will get more dicey. For example if Australia says you need to ID EVERY user to simply have an account, Australians would all need to go through a verification process.


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At 7/31/25 04:24 AM, T3odora wrote:What happens if I don't pay the fee? I'm an adult(27 years old), but I've only had this account for 6 years(from July 2019 - present). The supporter status was gifted to me by someone else. Is payment mandatory to use this site, to upload music, art, movies, animation, and post blog posts? Sorry for the questions, I just want to know.


When the time comes, we could work things out manually / directly with artists who are otherwise having trouble verifying.


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