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Mid-Year Online Safety Update

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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 18:14:34


At 7/30/25 06:06 PM, Simoes1000 wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:42 PM, Aalasteir wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:34 PM, Ferstofus wrote:At least some kids won't be traumatized.

Oh yeah, because school is the safest place in the world, right? Nothing bad ever happened at school, or at home, or outside. No one ever got traumatized at school. But at least they’re not going to go online and see something bad on a screen. God forbid. Think of the kids. I remember being a kid, school traumatized me. The Internet did not.
"At least some kids wouldn’t be traumatized." Don’t give me this shit.

I agree. After 5th grade, I went through several moments at school that bothered me a lot and I don't feel the same way when I'm on the internet.


I'm sorry to hear that. About you too, @Aalasteir


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It takes a real woman to strive


They'll move on eventually

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 18:17:50


At 7/30/25 06:14 PM, Aalasteir wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:52 PM, CappyCatII wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:42 PM, Aalasteir wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:34 PM, Ferstofus wrote:At least some kids won't be traumatized.

Oh yeah, because school is the safest place in the world, right? Nothing bad ever happened at school, or at home, or outside. No one ever got traumatized at school. But at least they’re not going to go online and see something bad on a screen. God forbid. Think of the kids. I remember being a kid, school traumatized me. The Internet did not.
"At least some kids wouldn’t be traumatized." Don’t give me this shit.

Okay Aalasteir, I am sorry this is upsetting you, but please take a moment to compose yourself.

Yes, you're right I will compose myself.
At 7/30/25 05:55 PM, Ferstofus wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:50 PM, Aalasteir wrote:
Please excuse me, @Ferstofus were you being sarcastic?


I...I thought a few kids not seeing something disturbing was a little silver lining in this mess. Obviously the execution seems terrible. I guess I wasn't being sarcastic, sorry


Thank you, it's all cool. I'm grateful that we agree this tyranny is terrible, I appreciate you being patient with me.
I respect you, Ferstofus. I made a response that was harsh, and it was not meant to be combative.
My message should have been communicated in good faith.
I was angry about this whole ordeal, and it wasn’t directed at you. I'm sorry.

It’s true that it would be better if I stayed more positive, and showed more we really should stand together!
Because we should.


We should.


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It takes a real woman to strive

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 18:20:31


At 7/30/25 05:31 PM, goldennewgrounds wrote:@TomFulp

I live in the USA, but just in case if similar laws get passed over here: Since I made my account in 2008, I should be fine because my account is more than 10 years old?


How we handle people in the US will depend on what allowances are given by the individual state laws (or a federal law if that happens).


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 18:20:50


At 7/30/25 06:06 PM, Simoes1000 wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:42 PM, Aalasteir wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:34 PM, Ferstofus wrote:At least some kids won't be traumatized.

Oh yeah, because school is the safest place in the world, right? Nothing bad ever happened at school, or at home, or outside. No one ever got traumatized at school. But at least they’re not going to go online and see something bad on a screen. God forbid. Think of the kids. I remember being a kid, school traumatized me. The Internet did not.
"At least some kids wouldn’t be traumatized." Don’t give me this shit.

I agree. After 5th grade, I went through several moments at school that bothered me a lot and I don't feel the same way when I'm on the internet.


It is extremely tough, and it's difficult. Please know that day by day, you learn about life, especially in hard ways,

which is making you stronger. You always need to keep moving forward.

Keep learning and prepare for the future, for your best self.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 18:25:21


I don't like arguing for a potential slippery slope fallacy, but this feels like a very easy way to eventually silence queer and minority voices, as well as anyone who does not approve of a government or its actions. The UK’s Online Safety Bill is so ridiculously vague about what constitutes unsafe content for children, and I fear that similar vague descriptions in other bills could lead to censorship for knowledge resources such as Wikipedia, or whatever a government isn't too fond of seeing and hearing.


At 7/30/25 04:38 PM, TomFulp wrote:There are now 24 states that have passed laws around age verification, requiring an ID check. Most of these laws have exemptions for social media and sites that aren’t entirely dedicated to porn but it’s likely we will need to implement verification in at least some states in the months ahead. If this happens, users will be charged a one-time verification fee and will need to verify their ID with a third party service. Your ID would not be retained by the third party, who only returns a True or False value for our records.


There is also a bill in progress in California (AB 1043), with the latest amendment to it just last week. I would recommend keeping an eye on it, as there are more people in California than in many countries, and the language in it is constantly changing.    


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 18:25:36


I can only hope that one day these laws will end up being as successful as Prohibition.


That is to say completely unsuccessful.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 18:30:21


At 7/30/25 06:25 PM, ChazDude wrote:I can only hope that one day these laws will end up being as successful as Prohibition.

That is to say completely unsuccessful.


When it comes to Prohibition: you cut a hydra's head, you only make it two!


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 18:35:02


At 7/30/25 06:25 PM, Quest wrote:I don't like arguing for a potential slippery slope fallacy, but this feels like a very easy way to eventually silence queer and minority voices, as well as anyone who does not approve of a government or its actions. The UK’s Online Safety Bill is so ridiculously vague about what constitutes unsafe content for children, and I fear that similar vague descriptions in other bills could lead to censorship for knowledge resources such as Wikipedia, or whatever a government isn't too fond of seeing and hearing.
At 7/30/25 04:38 PM, TomFulp wrote:There are now 24 states that have passed laws around age verification, requiring an ID check. Most of these laws have exemptions for social media and sites that aren’t entirely dedicated to porn but it’s likely we will need to implement verification in at least some states in the months ahead. If this happens, users will be charged a one-time verification fee and will need to verify their ID with a third party service. Your ID would not be retained by the third party, who only returns a True or False value for our records.


There is also a bill in progress in California (AB 1043), with the latest amendment to it just last week. I would recommend keeping an eye on it, as there are more people in California than in many countries, and the language in it is constantly changing.


I hate to break it to you, but politicians only ever care about "queer and minority" voices when they can use them as the thin wedge of a knife. Now that your usefulness has been diminished, you'll be lucky to be ignored. Might be a good time to get quiet, tbh, because I guarantee your "allies" of today will be more than happy to make you a boogeyman tomorrow if they can leverage that into more power for themselves.


Seeing this whole thing unfold is very interesting, especially since I live in a country where you don't really need a credit card except for very specific purposes. The UK and EU will likely run into huge problems with people cheating the system down the line, we already have people using the photo mode of Death Stranding 2 for webcam age verification.

I feel confident that Newgrounds can weather this storm though, thank you for your hard work, Tom & staff!


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:04:16


At 7/30/25 06:35 PM, LiteraryWho wrote:I hate to break it to you, but politicians only ever care about "queer and minority" voices when they can use them as the thin wedge of a knife. Now that your usefulness has been diminished, you'll be lucky to be ignored. Might be a good time to get quiet, tbh, because I guarantee your "allies" of today will be more than happy to make you a boogeyman tomorrow if they can leverage that into more power for themselves.


Dude what a wild thing to say, getting quiet is how we end up in these situations in the first place. You may be struggling to come to terms with learning the govt. doesn't really love us, but this doesn't come as news to anyone else above school age. You either get happy living under the boot with these "allies", or you get pissed about it and do your part in swaying public and state opinion.


it do be like that sometimes

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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:06:49


At 7/30/25 05:06 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:05 PM, xeiavica wrote:What happened to small government? It was here a minute ago. Has anyone seen small government? I don't remember throwing it.

We've all been distracted by endless entertainment while others have been up to mischief.


lol More like you were called insane if you brought this up. The media did a good job convincing people of this by painting anyone who spoke out against Digital ID as Nazis and basement dwelling flat earthers.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:16:49


At 7/30/25 04:38 PM, TomFulp wrote:which involves paying a third party to match your email address against some sort of database of scraped data

So just to be sure, you won't be using said third party, right?


At 7/30/25 07:06 PM, KittyhawkMontrose wrote:lol More like you were called insane if you brought this up. The media did a good job convincing people of this by painting anyone who spoke out against Digital ID as Nazis and basement dwelling flat earthers.


Just for the record... EARTH-CHAN IS NOT FLAT!


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:16:57


At 7/30/25 07:04 PM, KI1 wrote:
At 7/30/25 06:35 PM, LiteraryWho wrote:I hate to break it to you, but politicians only ever care about "queer and minority" voices when they can use them as the thin wedge of a knife. Now that your usefulness has been diminished, you'll be lucky to be ignored. Might be a good time to get quiet, tbh, because I guarantee your "allies" of today will be more than happy to make you a boogeyman tomorrow if they can leverage that into more power for themselves.

Dude what a wild thing to say, getting quiet is how we end up in these situations in the first place. You may be struggling to come to terms with learning the govt. doesn't really love us, but this doesn't come as news to anyone else above school age. You either get happy living under the boot with these "allies", or you get pissed about it and do your part in swaying public and state opinion.


I don't think he's recommending you become silent, I think he's saying being quiet will soon simply be the easiest way to survive. Anyway, this affects basically everyone with a critical view of any government, maybe it will serve as the great unifier when we all realize how fucked it's getting and fall under a common goal instead of another round of left right politics.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:19:57


At 7/30/25 07:16 PM, Yomuchan wrote:
At 7/30/25 04:38 PM, TomFulp wrote:which involves paying a third party to match your email address against some sort of database of scraped data
So just to be sure, you won't be using said third party, right?
At 7/30/25 07:06 PM, KittyhawkMontrose wrote:
lol More like you were called insane if you brought this up. The media did a good job convincing people of this by painting anyone who spoke out against Digital ID as Nazis and basement dwelling flat earthers.


Just for the record... EARTH-CHAN IS NOT FLAT!


FLAT IS NOT JUSTICE!! Earth-Chan is CURVY!! 💙💚


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At 7/30/25 07:06 PM, KittyhawkMontrose wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:06 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:05 PM, xeiavica wrote:What happened to small government? It was here a minute ago. Has anyone seen small government? I don't remember throwing it.

We've all been distracted by endless entertainment while others have been up to mischief.

lol More like you were called insane if you brought this up. The media did a good job convincing people of this by painting anyone who spoke out against Digital ID as Nazis and basement dwelling flat earthers.


Meanwhile the tea app situation which requires your ID and biometrics prove how fucking terrible of a fucking idea it is to implement. Though those that salivate at the thought of total control to power trip as much as they want don't care about that.


Edit: I'll be honest the more I see this get rolled out before my very eyes the more pissed I get with each day. I was already seething at the phone verification bullshit that most sites require these days to "confirm you're not a bot." I fucking hate phones and knew that shit was just the start.

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:36:48


At 7/30/25 07:26 PM, Dolorious wrote:I fucking hate phones


Me too. I knew there had to be another LOL


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:37:17


“I can’t be bothered to parent my iPad child so the only solution is a fascist surveillance state” - definitely a real Mom

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:37:52


At 7/30/25 07:16 PM, DeaghlanNG wrote:
At 7/30/25 07:04 PM, KI1 wrote:
At 7/30/25 06:35 PM, LiteraryWho wrote:I hate to break it to you, but politicians only ever care about "queer and minority" voices when they can use them as the thin wedge of a knife. Now that your usefulness has been diminished, you'll be lucky to be ignored. Might be a good time to get quiet, tbh, because I guarantee your "allies" of today will be more than happy to make you a boogeyman tomorrow if they can leverage that into more power for themselves.

Dude what a wild thing to say, getting quiet is how we end up in these situations in the first place. You may be struggling to come to terms with learning the govt. doesn't really love us, but this doesn't come as news to anyone else above school age. You either get happy living under the boot with these "allies", or you get pissed about it and do your part in swaying public and state opinion.

I don't think he's recommending you become silent, I think he's saying being quiet will soon simply be the easiest way to survive. Anyway, this affects basically everyone with a critical view of any government, maybe it will serve as the great unifier when we all realize how fucked it's getting and fall under a common goal instead of another round of left right politics.


I absolutely share your hope of a unified effort in rolling all of this back and keeping it above left v right. However, as with any state-opposing movement, the more we try to split/select/volume-adjust fellow participants - the weaker the movement becomes.

"I oppose govt. overstep but the gays have to keep it down" or, "but I won't share space with a conservative" work to the advantage of the establishment and are how the boogeymen are created in the first place. While we can be smart about it, it's either everyone at max volume or accepting this overstep as the new normal.


it do be like that sometimes

sp / sc / yt / fb

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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:38:02


At 7/30/25 07:16 PM, DeaghlanNG wrote:
At 7/30/25 07:04 PM, KI1 wrote:
At 7/30/25 06:35 PM, LiteraryWho wrote:I hate to break it to you, but politicians only ever care about "queer and minority" voices when they can use them as the thin wedge of a knife. Now that your usefulness has been diminished, you'll be lucky to be ignored. Might be a good time to get quiet, tbh, because I guarantee your "allies" of today will be more than happy to make you a boogeyman tomorrow if they can leverage that into more power for themselves.

Dude what a wild thing to say, getting quiet is how we end up in these situations in the first place. You may be struggling to come to terms with learning the govt. doesn't really love us, but this doesn't come as news to anyone else above school age. You either get happy living under the boot with these "allies", or you get pissed about it and do your part in swaying public and state opinion.

I don't think he's recommending you become silent, I think he's saying being quiet will soon simply be the easiest way to survive. Anyway, this affects basically everyone with a critical view of any government, maybe it will serve as the great unifier when we all realize how fucked it's getting and fall under a common goal instead of another round of left right politics.


That, and also raging against the machine is a good way to give them ammo. There's a reason early civil right's activists went to protests in suits. PR matters. If you look or act like a psychotic malcontent, you make it easy to paint your cause as anti-social. You might as well make the devil work for his propaganda. The resources of the enemy are no more limitless than your own.


I'm offering strategic advice.

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:39:09


Blech, sorry to hear about all the hubbub for something so obviously destined to make the problem it's trying to solve even worse :-/

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:39:32


This is a dystopian hell that is taking shape right in front of us.

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:41:21


At 7/30/25 07:37 PM, KI1 wrote:
At 7/30/25 07:16 PM, DeaghlanNG wrote:
At 7/30/25 07:04 PM, KI1 wrote:
At 7/30/25 06:35 PM, LiteraryWho wrote:I hate to break it to you, but politicians only ever care about "queer and minority" voices when they can use them as the thin wedge of a knife. Now that your usefulness has been diminished, you'll be lucky to be ignored. Might be a good time to get quiet, tbh, because I guarantee your "allies" of today will be more than happy to make you a boogeyman tomorrow if they can leverage that into more power for themselves.

Dude what a wild thing to say, getting quiet is how we end up in these situations in the first place. You may be struggling to come to terms with learning the govt. doesn't really love us, but this doesn't come as news to anyone else above school age. You either get happy living under the boot with these "allies", or you get pissed about it and do your part in swaying public and state opinion.

I don't think he's recommending you become silent, I think he's saying being quiet will soon simply be the easiest way to survive. Anyway, this affects basically everyone with a critical view of any government, maybe it will serve as the great unifier when we all realize how fucked it's getting and fall under a common goal instead of another round of left right politics.

I absolutely share your hope of a unified effort in rolling all of this back and keeping it above left v right. However, as with any state-opposing movement, the more we try to split/select/volume-adjust fellow participants - the weaker the movement becomes.
"I oppose govt. overstep but the gays have to keep it down" or, "but I won't share space with a conservative" work to the advantage of the establishment and are how the boogeymen are created in the first place. While we can be smart about it, it's either everyone at max volume or accepting this overstep as the new normal.


Yeah, like I'm saying no one SHOULD be silenced... but many will of their own accord, because it's simply the path of least resistance. I don't want anyone split, there's already enough of that. Divide and conquer, and all that.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:43:19


At 7/30/25 07:37 PM, KI1 wrote:
At 7/30/25 07:16 PM, DeaghlanNG wrote:
At 7/30/25 07:04 PM, KI1 wrote:
At 7/30/25 06:35 PM, LiteraryWho wrote:I hate to break it to you, but politicians only ever care about "queer and minority" voices when they can use them as the thin wedge of a knife. Now that your usefulness has been diminished, you'll be lucky to be ignored. Might be a good time to get quiet, tbh, because I guarantee your "allies" of today will be more than happy to make you a boogeyman tomorrow if they can leverage that into more power for themselves.

Dude what a wild thing to say, getting quiet is how we end up in these situations in the first place. You may be struggling to come to terms with learning the govt. doesn't really love us, but this doesn't come as news to anyone else above school age. You either get happy living under the boot with these "allies", or you get pissed about it and do your part in swaying public and state opinion.

I don't think he's recommending you become silent, I think he's saying being quiet will soon simply be the easiest way to survive. Anyway, this affects basically everyone with a critical view of any government, maybe it will serve as the great unifier when we all realize how fucked it's getting and fall under a common goal instead of another round of left right politics.

I absolutely share your hope of a unified effort in rolling all of this back and keeping it above left v right. However, as with any state-opposing movement, the more we try to split/select/volume-adjust fellow participants - the weaker the movement becomes.
"I oppose govt. overstep but the gays have to keep it down" or, "but I won't share space with a conservative" work to the advantage of the establishment and are how the boogeymen are created in the first place. While we can be smart about it, it's either everyone at max volume or accepting this overstep as the new normal.


Also that, but I'd advise not to mistake "max volume" for "maximum impact." You have to yell about the right things, press the right levers. A riot, for instance, is about as loud as you can get, but is very easy to spin against the cause being rioted over. A good example of an effective lever is probably the Epstein thing. The more people keep talking about that (even in a firm but measured way), the more the right kind of people are sweating.


Anyway, I've delved much too far into politics here, so I'mma bow out. Sorry for crossing the line, Tom.

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:43:28


At 7/30/25 07:34 PM, xeiavica wrote:
At 7/30/25 07:06 PM, KittyhawkMontrose wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:06 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:05 PM, xeiavica wrote:What happened to small government? It was here a minute ago. Has anyone seen small government? I don't remember throwing it.

We've all been distracted by endless entertainment while others have been up to mischief.

lol More like you were called insane if you brought this up. The media did a good job convincing people of this by painting anyone who spoke out against Digital ID as Nazis and basement dwelling flat earthers.
And the republicans painted anyone against protect the children laws as degenerates with something to hide. Face it, every politician needs to get fucked with an anchor.


Oh def. This is authoritarian vs non-authoritarian. There are both left and right authoritarians coming for our freedoms. Uniparty, woooooo!! 🥳 I've recognized this for years, and I'm glad to see others doing so.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:46:04


At 7/30/25 07:06 PM, KittyhawkMontrose wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:06 PM, TomFulp wrote:
At 7/30/25 05:05 PM, xeiavica wrote:What happened to small government? It was here a minute ago. Has anyone seen small government? I don't remember throwing it.

We've all been distracted by endless entertainment while others have been up to mischief.

lol More like you were called insane if you brought this up. The media did a good job convincing people of this by painting anyone who spoke out against Digital ID as Nazis and basement dwelling flat earthers.


I laugh to hide the pain

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:47:28


Since I'm a US Citizen and as long as many people in the States are aware of how dangerous acts like KOSA really are and go to stopkosa.com to encourage lawmakers to vote against the bill, I hope everything would be fine. I would never, ever let anything bad happen to the Internet at all. On top of this, legal types of pornography, even on the Internet, is actually protected under the First Amendment and KOSA would be very likely to violate that amendment to begin. So, if we can stop SOPA from being a thing, we can stop KOSA as well.

Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:48:15


God I hate what the UK is doing. It’s not about protecting kids. It’s about controlling the internet, violating people’s privacy and censorship. Those old heads at the government don’t understand just how horseshit this law is and how it’s just gonna make things easier for data brokers to sell information and eliminate people’s privacy. I really hope people cut it out with this age verification stuff. The “protecting kids” defense is a coverup of what they are really trying to do.


They really need to use their resources for more important things.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:53:15


As someone who frequents smaller websites like forums, this sudden push by lawmakers of putting the burden of online safety enforcement almost entirely on these communities is really depressing. I've already seen a lot of forums either close off UK access (the forums for a game mod I work on had to do this, unfortunately alienating an entire part of the community) or even shutter completely. It's just not sustainable.


That said, you guys are going above and beyond with these safety changes. The backend refactoring that's been a result of it has been very cool to hear about, too.


If you happen to be reading this and aren't a Newgrounds Supporter already, I'd highly recommend throwing them some coin. A monthly subscription costs less than a fast food meal.


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Response to Mid-Year Online Safety Update 2025-07-30 19:54:52


Even here in Australia now we're getting really poorly thought out age verification laws that are supposed to be targeting social media and now the government is fighting with Google over YouTube. These laws are ridiculous and I doubt they're actually solving the problem. At least much of my internet activity has already been happening over VPN now these days, including here on Newgrounds even when I'm not using my NSFW alt.


Between the age verification laws around the world, and the situation with Steam/Itch.io and the payment processors its been a stressful week for me and given Australia's roles in both, making me feel at least somewhat embarrassed to say I'm even from Australia at the moment (I swear we're not all like this, pinkie promise!) I also opened that New Statesman article linked and I won't lie, its depressing to see more smaller websites die off as a consequence of these out of touch, gift to big tech and big tech only laws. I don't even have a pet hamster and reading about that hamster forum shutting down is like, super depressing. Hopefully Newgrounds can weather these storms. All these things are going to do is bring us into Prohibition 2.0: The Porn Edition.


I am firmly of the opinion that the best solution to the internet existing and being free as it was intended to be is for parents to actually be good, responsible parents and actually teach their kids about the dangers of the internet like we used to, and for parents to actually learn to use the internet and app filtering tools which already come with a lot of modern devices anyway. No matter what, the internet is not a kid friendly place, and parents need to seriously stop assuming that it is.


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